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Embry-Riddle To Offer Degree In Space Operations

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the s-o-p-has-a-new-expansion dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes writes "Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University has announced plans to launch the nation's first ever bachelor's degree in Commercial Space Operations to supply the commercial spaceflight industry with skilled graduates in the areas of space policy, operations, regulation and certification, as well as space flight safety, and space program training, management and planning. The rapid expansion of commercial spaceflight operations is fostered by NASA's commercial cargo and crew development programs and by entrepreneurs developing capabilities for suborbital spaceflight, orbital space habitats, space resource prospecting and other commercial ventures. 'Embry-Riddle's new Commercial Space Operations degree is one of the most innovative non-engineering degrees in the aerospace industry,' says program coordinator Lance Erickson, a professor of applied aviation sciences at Embry-Riddle. 'When we were planning this degree, our advisers from the commercial space industry said they couldn't wait to hire our graduates.'"

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79 comments

It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (4, Funny)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820575)

So, it's all the personnel and legal stuff that surrounds the real engineering that has to go on. But as a BS and without the background of the actual hard engineering that goes on in aerospace and without the life experience that someone going back for a second degree after ten or twenty years would bring with them.

It's like an admission that we don't need more engineers and scientists, what we really need is more people who can process paperwork. On the bright side, at least it looks like there's job demand for the stupid people in the world of the future.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42820721)

Of course!

I can already see it now, future astronauts, their ships have only 5% chance of reaching their destination, and since they can train so many so easily, there's no problem with the supply.

Yup, makes perfect sense, please continue.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (4, Insightful)

Zeromous (668365) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820747)

Seriously dude, I'm sure your managers find you a pleasure to work with. Maybe someone like you could actually benefit from this course in order to readjust your perspective, or at least tweak your outputs a little.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821181)

Seriously dude, I'm sure your managers find you a pleasure to work with. Maybe someone like you could actually benefit from this course in order to readjust your perspective, or at least tweak your outputs a little.

...?
Code Monkey not say it out loud.
Code Monkey not crazy, just proud.
-joco

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (2)

Zeromous (668365) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821351)

I'm not sure where you are going with the JoCo lyrics (did I just say "JoCo"?), but I'm hoping it's just Codemonkey's just bitter/jealous of those who can hack it with humans.

Bitterness and Jealousy is a real turn off for socially well-adjusted nerds.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

ranjix (892606) | about a year and a half ago | (#42822193)

Initial poster was rightly noting that the program is not about technical stuff but about pushing papers. Your worrying about the perception of managers and the desire of readjusting poster's perspective misses the point badly. "Tweaking the outputs"??? You're picking on the style of delivery instead of thinking of the problem. The problem, let me remind you, is the lack of STEM education. The program doesn't come with a solution, but perpetuates the problem. Maybe this clarifies a little...

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820927)

Since I'm an AE dropout (from Embry-Riddle, even,) it sounds perfect! :-P

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (4, Insightful)

RatherBeAnonymous (1812866) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821521)

It's like an admission that we don't need more engineers and scientists, what we really need is more people who can process paperwork.

I wish I had a manager who could do the paperwork around here, and I'm just talking about an IT department. All of my managers (yes, all) have their eyes glaze over once they see two computer related terms in the same sentence. I end up spending as much time managing the department for them as I do improving the network.

The best thing a manager can do is to deal with procedure and red tape so that the technical types can get to work. To that end, Scientists and Engineers need managers who can talk the lingo.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

sycodon (149926) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821527)

Whether you are joking or not, I would assert that the management of the Apollo or Shace Shuttle Programs involves just as many moving parts, conflicting requirements, and stubborn facts as did the actual engineering of the spacecraft.

People like to make fun of managers but in reality, without them any project of significant size would be just a bunch of "smart" people standing around wondering what they should do next.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821813)

Although I agree in some respects to your statement, I think sometimes having a manager just acts as a crutch. When "smart" people are given the latitude to determine the requirements rather than having them spoon fed to them, they won't be standing around and they might actually be interacting positively with the rest of the company. Of course, mileage may vary based on the maturity level and business sense of the "smart" person.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (2)

sunking2 (521698) | about a year and a half ago | (#42822223)

Why is it that the Orion program is an utter failure and companies like Space X seem to be surpassing them in return on investment? Management structure might be something to take a look at. It's not about whether managers are needed, its the numbers of them.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823201)

Orion was supposed to be a failure, that's what the White House wanted. 1960s technology launched on 1970s technology, with updated electronics, and this is our glorious future in outer space? No, it was nothing but a sop to Lockheed and the other contractors.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42824813)

I keep thinking of Deke Slayton on Apollo 13. test pilot, nerd, and manager. Damned good at all three. He was the guy who made the final decision whether or not to turn around and try to come back, or circle the moon. He was the guy who said "you have to figure out how to put a sqare peg in a round hole using nothing but what's on board."

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

internerdj (1319281) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821787)

I've got engineer friends who have to do much of their administrative work themselves. They submit their own proposals, have to make sure they have enough project to pay their salary, etc. While those tasks are not technically challenging to complete, I'm very glad I work with full time people who do that so I can concentrate on engineering both from a knowledge perspective and from a time perspective.

Re:It's like an MBA for Aerospace Engr Dropout (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823977)

It's like an admission that we don't need more engineers and scientists

Given the decades of declining demand (and declining salaries)... admitting that is like admitting the sun rises in the east each morning.

Supply and Demand (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42820665)

I'll bet there will be a lot more students interested in this degree than companies hiring.

Pick a major that's going to pay the bills, kids.

Re:Supply and Demand (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821791)

That's why we have so many MBAs and lawyers, and look at what a paradise they've turned our world into.

Re:Supply and Demand (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831449)

That's why we have so many MBAs and lawyers, and look at what a paradise they've turned our world into.

The system made so many MBAs and lawyers. MBAs and lawyers didn't make the system.

Re:Supply and Demand (1)

deadweight (681827) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828017)

So it will be exactly like their aviation program is now!

Re:Supply and Demand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42834737)

Even with this degree HR is going to want to see 5-10 years experience in sub-orbital flight companies on your resume, even though the companies have not started sub-orbital flights. LOL

Rather risky (5, Insightful)

Orleron (835910) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820669)

Getting a degree that is only useful at maybe 5 or 6 companies in the whole country is not something I would recommend. How is that different from majoring in Medieval Japanese Literature? There are maybe 5 or 6 universities that would hire you with that degree too, and then you are stuck with your student loans that you cannot pay.

I definitely think the core engineering, hard science, or generic business routes are the way to go for undergrad. If someone wants to specialize a bit for an MS or higher, ok then.

As if (4, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820905)

You think that everyone who will work in these fledgling Space corporations is going to have a PHD or be an engineer? They need practical people with practical, marketable skills. As a new industry, they need skilled people across the whole spectrum. Those who train up now will have an edge in this new job market.

Re:As if (1)

Orleron (835910) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821037)

Nope, a PhD is not relevant to the point I am trying to make here. What I am saying is that if 300 kids get this new Bachelor's degree, the chances that every single one of them will be a technical AND cultural fit for places like SpaceX and Bigelow are not good. So if a kid blows the interview at these places, what then? At least with a degree in ME or EE, you can try a completely different field.

Re:As if (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821117)

There are more than two places in the world that this would be useful for. The commercial space sector is not limited to big media companies like SpaceX - there are lots of research labs not limited to NASA, ESA/ESTEC, DLR, etc. Alongside that there is work in downstream services like media, plenty of satellite companies and so on.

Yes, this is largely a degree aimed for people who want to go into administrative roles in commercial human spaceflight, there are many parallels with other fields when you look at safety/risk management, regulatory work and so on.

It still sounds boring as hell to me (as a hardware space scientist), but sadly someone has to file the paperwork for my toys.

Re:As if (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42822685)

So if a kid blows the interview at these places, what then?

Then he'll have lots of cool things to talk about at the Occupy camp.

Re:As if (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821421)

How is this a new industry? Oh, you mean reeling in suckers? That's not new either...

Re:As if (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826697)

All true, but orthogonal to the OP's point, which is that the demand for people having these degrees is going to be pretty slim for the foreseeable future. This job market may be new, but it's small and not exactly growing by leaps and bounds. *And* you're competing with a lot of folks who already have those types of practical and marketable skills...

Re:As if (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828173)

Except that this is ERAU, a joke school that doesn't teach much, except for the ABET programs. The school is all about pretense and upholding its image. Just skim over their employment postings and you'll see what I mean. Classroom reality nothing like what they print on syllabi, grading is arbitrary, and faculty not even close to the integrity or objectivity of typical state university professors.
Wait to see if a real school offers a similar program. Then maybe you can take it seriously.

why does it need to be a degree then?? make it a (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821153)

why does it need to be a degree then?? make it a very hands on trading / trades setting and with then you can trim it down to 2-3 years.

Re:why does it need to be a degree then?? make it (1)

xclr8r (658786) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821239)

Whether warranted or not.. a degree has a certain social status appeal to it. Look at online dating or even people talking about "undateable traits", one can filter out those who do not have HS Diplomas, Bachelors, Masters.

Re:Rather risky (1)

dorpus (636554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42822663)

On the other hand, how useful are science or engineering degrees? I know plenty of science and engineering graduates that spent a year or more after graduation to find a job. For any given specialty, there are only a handful of employers that care, and openings only occur once every several years.

Re:Rather risky (1)

Orleron (835910) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823037)

That's a function of the job market, not the useful(-less)-ness of the degree. In good times, the sci/eng major will get a job right out of school. The same cannot be said for this degree if the space companies are all filled up already, which is likely in good times if the school cranks out hundreds of these kids a year. At least if I'm a Chemical Engineer, and the oil companies won't take me, I can work for the drug companies, and if not them, the chemical companies, and so on.

Re:Rather risky (2)

dorpus (636554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42825123)

I've known plenty of engineers who couldn't get jobs even when the economy was "good". I was once a chemical engineering major, but after going to many job fairs, concluded that it is a worthless degree -- nobody wanted them. I've since met chemical engineers who became computer programmers, since they didn't want to work at e.g. a pulp factory in Mississippi or an oil refinery in Nigeria.

Re:Rather risky (1)

qwak23 (1862090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828287)

I would definately second this. These types of degrees are essentially vocational programs with a liberal arts wrapper that dilute the value of core academic degrees. I would also suspect that these degrees help drive demand for college level education and contribute to some of the inflation in tuition.

Of course there is also a mindset among students (at least coworkers that I've talked to about education, anecdotal, yet a large enough sample that I would be willing to make a testable hypothesis out of it) that you should pick a degree plan specifically focused on the career you want, rather than picking a degree plan based on interest and the skillset that level of education would give you.

One recent coworker I discussed this with was looking at a degree plan similar to the one in TFS, it was so tightly focused to the one specific career he wanted that even the liberal arts wrapper was weak. Given that it was tech related he would have been better off with a 4-year degree in electrical engineering, as the EE would have still qualified him for the job and given him a skill set that most of his peers in the career probably wouldn't have. Not to mention, that he could branch out into other careers with the EE.

Did the barnstomers have a degrees? (3, Interesting)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820787)

Commercial spaceflight is still in its infancy. I mean, sure we've put a few people in space and a handful on the moon, but in terms of an actual field, it's as if it's just a few years after the Wright brothers (regulation didn't start 'till 1926). Certainly no where near the level aviation was after the same number of years after its inception.

I hope space school has the same validity as engineering school though. But as long as it's just one school, I have my doubts.

Re:Did the barnstomers have a degrees? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821505)

Yes, and look at how quickly other fields progressed since the 1920s. That should be a clue. A clue that there will simply never be the technology and resources to do much more in space than what you see now. Sorry.

Re:Did the barnstomers have a degrees? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42823221)

Yes, and look at how quickly other fields progressed since the 1920s. That should be a clue. A clue that there will simply never be the technology and resources to do much more in space than what you see now. Sorry.

... and we will never need more than 6 mainframes in the world ... personal computers make no sense at all ... who could EVER need more than 640k of RAM ... you are in august company with your assumption there ...

They couldn't wait (1, Funny)

gparent (1242548) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820827)

'When we were planning this degree, our advisers from the commercial space industry said they couldn't wait to hire our graduates.'"

So the course wasn't even fully designed yet, not a single fucking graduate has yet to come out of that university, and they ALREADY want them working on projects headed to one of the most hostile environment we're aware of?

What a bunch of clowns.

Re:They couldn't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42820941)

You think they're clowns - you should talk to some of the female graduates from there. Well, the Daytona campus anyway. Never seen a crazier lot.

Re:They couldn't wait (2)

xclr8r (658786) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821311)

I don't know of the school but when a school adds curriculum custom tailored to a fields need (the ones the Advisers were focusing on) this is usually greeted with open arms. It's a stamp of the company/org does not have to waste my time teaching a basic concept.

Think of it like hiring someone from X university's CS program.. you can expect the person to know when and how to apply recursion. That said I'm skeptical too.. is this University/Program be accredited?

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

xclr8r (658786) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821321)

sorry for the gnarled grammar.

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823779)

i like my grammar gnurled so others can grasp what i'm sayin

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828605)

The program is new, but the school isn't. They've been accredited for nearly fifty years.

GO GATORS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821985)

What a bunch of clowns.

Actually, that's on the other [ringling.edu] side of the state.

FSU would also have been an acceptable answer, since they have a circus [fsu.edu] .

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823093)

It's an administrative degree, not an engineering degree. Yes, they will need people who know what paperwork needs to be file when the FAA approve flight plan has to be changed, who know whether they have to re-file their patent application when the alloy for the rocket exhaust nozzle changes, or if the scope of work for a subcontractor covers all the elements actually required. Those aren't things that a normal MBA prepares students for, and if they drop a regular MBA into that position it's going to take them years and dozens of mistakes to learn them.

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823707)

It's an administrative degree, not an engineering degree. Yes, they will need people who know what paperwork needs to be file when the FAA approve flight plan has to be changed, who know whether they have to re-file their patent application when the alloy for the rocket exhaust nozzle changes, or if the scope of work for a subcontractor covers all the elements actually required. Those aren't things that a normal MBA prepares students for, and if they drop a regular MBA into that position it's going to take them years and dozens of mistakes to learn them.

Yeah, because all of this information is certifiably understood and taught by a college that has no experience with it at all.

This is like giving someone with an MBA a job in biological science because they "know how 'business' works."

Give me a break. You really want to try and play devil's advocate on this one?

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42824011)

**NO** college has experience with it, currently. You don't think that they're going to hire subject matter specialists to help them build their curriculum and teaching materials, and probably teach the program? I don't know anything about that particular college, but they'd have to be run by utter incompetents if they didn't. From their campus locations I can see that they have plenty of opportunity to find the correct people.

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42824045)

**NO** college has experience with it, currently. You don't think that they're going to hire subject matter specialists to help them build their curriculum and teaching materials, and probably teach the program? I don't know anything about that particular college, but they'd have to be run by utter incompetents if they didn't. From their campus locations I can see that they have plenty of opportunity to find the correct people.

Damn. I'd better sue them for patent infringement ASAP. Starting a college program from my own head is MY IDEA.

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831561)

If you've got people with MBAs doing administrative paperwork, that either means you've got a ridiculously over-qualified workforce, or else MBAs aren't worth anything as a qualification.

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831683)

There's an MBA working at the minimart down the hill, if that's any clue. Too many kids go straight to college directly after high school, and then hit the job market with no work experience .

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

isorox (205688) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823379)

'When we were planning this degree, our advisers from the commercial space industry said they couldn't wait to hire our graduates.'"

So the course wasn't even fully designed yet, not a single fucking graduate has yet to come out of that university, and they ALREADY want them working on projects headed to one of the most hostile environment we're aware of?

What a bunch of clowns.

Have you been to Baltimore?

Re:They couldn't wait (1)

gparent (1242548) | about a year and a half ago | (#42824321)

No, but I've watched The Wire. Does that count? :)

Is there a degree in space logistics? (2)

arcite (661011) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820891)

I would like to be a space logistics technician, or delivery boy.

Re:Is there a degree in space logistics? (1)

Megane (129182) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820965)

How about a glorious career in astrosanitation? [wikipedia.org]

Steely Eyed MIssile Man (1)

sycodon (149926) | about a year and a half ago | (#42820931)

There are no more left.

Re:Steely Eyed MIssile Man (1)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827569)

But then the question is do we still need steely eyed missle men? I admit, I get all nostalgic and starry eyed when I read about the old aviators. Dashing folks with scarves and mustaches going up in rickety contraptions. And then look at today, where some fella can get drunk on a plane and cause a scene or crying children or just plain "bus adventure" at 30K feet. I fear this may be the future of space travel at some point as well.

In a way, it's great, because we're getting more access to this frontier, but in another way, something special is gone. Oh, sure, we can get a pilot's license, save up and spend some money and enjoy a private flight in a Cessna or something, but it's still not quite the same.

bachelor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821001)

when i saw the word bachelor i thought about the television show on ABC.

but seriously, i didn't know that there is a commercial space industry. i thought NASA only launched satellites and performed experiments on land and space. i learned something new today

Re:bachelor (1)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823135)

Damn, the Anonymous Cowards are getting dumber every day. There's only been a commercial space industry since Telstar I was launched in 1962.

Flying Car Operations Degree (0)

Frankie70 (803801) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821009)

Next, Embry Riddle can can launch the nation's first ever bachelor's degree in Flying Car Operations to supply the commercial flying car industry with skilled graduates in the areas of flying car policy, operations, regulation and certification, as well as flying car safety, and flying car driving program training, management and planning.

Once there is a viable commercial space industry and Flying Car Industry, Embry Riddle will becomes the Harvard for these industries.

auto mechanics don't need a 4 year Degree maybe 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42821195)

auto mechanics don't need a 4 year Degree maybe a 2 year trades / tech school.

Re:auto mechanics don't need a 4 year Degree maybe (1)

Westwood0720 (2688917) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821285)

auto mechanics don't need a 4 year Degree maybe a 2 year trades / tech school.

I run my own 4x4 shop and I have a B.S. in Elementary Education. =P

Re:auto mechanics don't need a 4 year Degree maybe (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821339)

They won't train "flying auto" mechanics at Embry Riddle. They will train people who can manage "flying auto" mechanics, who will make policies for them, boost their morale etc.

That's a 4 year degree right there.

nulsec (1)

Westwood0720 (2688917) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821197)

Let me know when we develop piracy in nulsec.

mo d down (-1)

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they also have a UAV program (1)

milkmage (795746) | about a year and a half ago | (#42821701)

http://daytonabeach.erau.edu/coa/aeronautical-science/news-events/embry-riddle-is-training-unmanned-aircraft-pilots.html [erau.edu]

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is stepping up to fill that need with a new minor in Unmanned Aircraft Systems that begins on the university’s Daytona Beach, Fla., campus in the fall semester of 2010

And so it ends... (1)

sunking2 (521698) | about a year and a half ago | (#42822165)

With the creation of an MBA for commercial space.

Final Exam: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42822799)

Kobayashi Maru

Underwater Basketweaving coming soon to ERAU. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42822863)

ERAU is scrambling. They can't get anyone to sign up for their commercial aviation programs so they have to make up this crap. The airline industry has become a pathetic joke of a career. It's going to be fun watching the airlines try to explain away why they can't find any qualified pilot candidates to hire in a few years.

Re:Underwater Basketweaving coming soon to ERAU. (1)

deadweight (681827) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828059)

Because they all got jobs in space?

This is more of a PR move than a marketable major (1)

cashman73 (855518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823421)

This is really more of a PR move by the school to attract students to Embry-Riddle, than it is providing a good education and career path equipping students with marketable skills for real jobs. While the field of "commercial space operations" is likely to open up at some point, once we get good technology and lots of industry out there, this is a very narrow career path today, with few options and companies hiring. They would do better to provide a major geared not only towards space operations, but airport operations and general logistics as well. Students would then major in that, which would provide for more general, diverse, and broad-based skills which could be transferrable to a wider variety of companies. If they're really interested in the space side of things, then add on a good minor and/or appropriate elective courses. Which is what minors and electives were supposed to be used for to begin with. Unfortunately, today's students would rather have useless minors and electives in topics like "underwater basketweaving" or "zombie apocalypse awareness" to satisfy their desire to make their "college experience" more complete or something. We wouldn't have an employment crisis today if more students would actually do more long term planning and major in something that's going to get them a good job with a good paycheck instead of something that "looks cool on parchment".

Re:This is more of a PR move than a marketable maj (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823587)

Hey, now!

I heard the (community) college down the street is offering a "Degree in Space Medicine." Are you telling me that this isn't a valid and widely accepted degree?
 
Blasphemer! ;>

Way to go! (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823561)

Now THAT'S a way to get a bunch of filthy rich people with dreams of venturing to space to pay you butt-loads of money for a degree that isn't officially notably accepted.

That's sales. Bravo! :)

but what about... (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about a year and a half ago | (#42823567)

and I thought Star Fleet Academy was the first.

This is like a degree in "CEO" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42824161)

As someone who works for NASA and is in the middle of climbing the space operations career ladder, there is no way anyone would hire someone out of college for these kinds of jobs. They want real engineers with a lot of experience in the field -- a lot of what these people bring to the table is not only what they learned in college, but from decades of space-related engineering work. The kinds of problems they see and deal with are not in text books. I'm in my early-30's and am pretty much the kid in the room for most meetings - most space operations people are in their 50's and 60's.
Unless something radically changes in the industry -- like it becomes much cheaper to fail -- the only thing this major will be useful for is working on the Death Star Kickstart.

Re:This is like a degree in "CEO" (2)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827063)

most space operations people are in their 50's and 60's. Unless something radically changes in the industry

You mean like a lot of people retiring over the course of the next decade?

What's Poindexter taking up NOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826355)

What university program is Poindexter taking up NOW? Space! He's taking up Space!

Only post I would give any weight to is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827929)

From a graduate of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.

Re:Only post I would give any weight to is (1)

deadweight (681827) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828097)

Well I graduated from the OTHER flight school/college in Florida and both of them have decades of experience getting a LOT of money for training in career fields with iffy prospects at best. Example: Our graduation class of "Aviation Managers" was more than the entire worldwide demand for that degree.

ASU - BS in Earth and Space Exploration (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828073)

Arizona State University offers an interdisciplinary science and engineering BS in Earth and Space Exploration that has already placed at least one BS graduate in an operational role at JPL.

http://sese.asu.edu/bs-earth-and-space-exploration

While its sensible to question the job opportunities available for a given major ... I think the naysayers would be surprised by the value of a technical degree of this type (at least the one offered by SESE). As well as surprised by the size of the industry that might be interested in hiring such graduates. Its not all missions to Mars or the ISS. Any space borne or suborbital remote sensing falls into this category. And there are plenty of roles that don't require PhDs.

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