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How Red Hat Hires

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the hands-off-my-foot dept.

Businesses 113

New submitter markfeffer, Senior Editor at Dice, writes "Red Hat's hired about 600 people in its last three fiscal quarters, and it's going to keep hiring – about 900 to 1,000 more this year. The company's primarily looking for software and technical support engineers, along with salespeople who can help strengthen its cloud-technology capabilities. They want people with strong technical skills, of course, but the company puts a premium on those who've taken the time to research its business and send in a resume that's custom-tailored to the job opening."

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Nice Ad (5, Insightful)

adturner (6453) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826471)

Love this ad by Dice/Red Hat in an attempt to attract talent. I mean, I sure hope it's an ad, because if it's a legit bit of "news" then slashdot's standards have really fallen.

Re:Nice Ad (5, Funny)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826541)

then slashdot's standards have really fallen

Since when?

Re:Nice Ad (0)

davester666 (731373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42829235)

They can't really fall anymore. Conceptually, it's possible they could get better, but that is pretty unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Re:Nice Ad (5, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826635)

It's advertisement for a Linux company.
I'd say Slashdot's standards have risen.

Re:Nice Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827389)

It's advertisement for a Linux company. I'd say Slashdot's standards have risen.

... Well, at least it hasn't led to a discussion about UNIX stability and ... eventually ... to apple.

Re:Nice Ad (4, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826823)

It's just a slashvertisement. We get these every so often. At least this one's for a respected, FOSS company. And it's a fairly transparent slashvertisement.

Re:Nice Ad (2, Informative)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827015)

And it's a fairly transparent slashvertisement.

Agreed. If they're going to do that, the, "New submitter markfeffer, Senior Editor at Dice, writes [...]" part was at least an honest way to handle it.

Maybe they should add the disclaimer at the bottom like we used to have for parent and sibling companies, too.

Re:Nice Ad (4, Insightful)

quantaman (517394) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827413)

I'd be a lot more comfortable if there was an explicit acknowledgement as an ad, for all we know timothy saw Red Hat in the title and was friends with the Dice guy so decided it would make a good submission.

Even as an ad it's kinda pointless, all it does is say Red Hat is hiring, then gives some extremely general job application advice. Why not make it interesting by mentioning something about how Red Hat differs from non-open source companies in its hiring, or giving tips on how contributors to a big project could get themselves hired to work on that project.

Re:Nice Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42829061)

I found it interdasting

Re:Nice Ad (1)

David Gerard (12369) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830099)

Slashdot is OWNED by Dice.

When they were running anything VA/SourceForge related, they would actually bother to flag the conflict of interest. Now they're not even bothering with that.

Re:Nice Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42830407)

slashdot's standards have really fallen.

You can't "fall" any lower than hell.

Dice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826479)

Red Hat Hiring? Oh, from the mobile app, I thought this was an ad for Dice..

does it work? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826485)

As someone who's been involved in various stages of the hiring process, my question is, does it work? It's great to hire people who are interested in the position, I'd do that too. But how do they find people who would be interested in the position? Do they just pay a lot, or what?

Re:does it work? (2, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826507)

Oh, I figured it out. They hire by getting an ad posted as a story on Slashdot. Go work for Redhat!

Re:does it work? (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826569)

And more seriously i have seen a site penalized for spammers posing links that Google doesn't like - though i think that was the spammers reporting the site in a fit of pique when our editorial team noticed and started banning users.

Re:does it work? (1)

Yoik (955095) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826801)

There are lots of ways to find people who are likely to be interested in the positions you have open: advertise in the right places, look at people who have made visible contributions, get your existing staff to recommend friends etc.. It takes time and effort and the work is commonly contracted out to headhunters by larger companies.

News coverage is the best form of advertising and lots of media are happy to cover hiring news involving large numbers from decent companies. Some readers are going to be very interested. Getting that coverage is its own art form.

High pay by itself isn't going find anyone, but it might make somebody interested in moving from someplace that doesn't pay as well. It also increases the chance of your offer being accepted.

Re:does it work? (1)

Karzz1 (306015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826923)

High pay by itself isn't going find anyone....

Speak for yourself!

Seriously though, I have a job I love and while not startup/rockstar pay grade, I am quite comfortable and happy.

Re: does it work? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828513)

I worked for a startup at rockstar paygrade. They moved me to another country, and then decided I wasn't producing at the level of 3 people, and stranded me in the other country...

Re:does it work? (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827347)

I've been out of work for a while, now.

high pay? pay AT ALL? where? when can I start?

(yes, the job market still pretty much sucks. getting better but its not an employee's market yet by any means).

Re:does it work? (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828029)

(yes, the job market still pretty much sucks. getting better but its not an employee's market yet by any means).

If you're good, and you're in the Bay Area, it definitely is. Try something like putting Erlang on your linked in profile if you are having trouble.

Re:does it work? (5, Interesting)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827321)

As someone who's been involved in various stages of the hiring process, my question is, does it work?

I have been involved in hiring hundreds of people, at several different companies, and I have found that idiosyncratic hiring practices rarely help. It is much better to follow the KISS principle:

1. Screen the resumes and pick the top 10%
2. Email them and set up a phone call.
3. Chat for a few minutes, and if you like them, set up a face-to-face interview.
4. If you like them at the interview, and they can demonstrate competence, then offer them a job at the end of the interview.

I have worked for companies that did much more elaborate interviewing, including multiple interviews, lunch meetings, etc. We seldom changed our opinions after the first interview, it was time consuming, and the candidate pool was shrinking as the best people were accepting jobs elsewhere.

Re:does it work? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827363)

offer the job at the end of the interview? that happens?

rarely. RARELY! any company these days is going to do due dilligence and perhaps even the week long (or longer) 'background check'.

I'd love to meet a company who can hire on the spot. never seen it happen in my 30+ years of working in software.

Re:does it work? (1)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827721)

Background checks using databases are an instant thing. Whatever you do past that is IMHO a waste of time.

Re:does it work? (1)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#42829271)

Background checks using databases are an instant thing. Whatever you do past that is IMHO a waste of time.

Indeed. Background checks take five minutes, and an interview can take an hour or more. So you do that background check before you waste time scheduling an interview. I would never interview someone without googling them first. I also like to check Linkedin, and see if they already know someone in our company, or someone I may know in another company.

Re:does it work? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827737)

I can do better than that. My current employer hired me on the first phone contact. No face to face interview needed. Rare as it may be, there are companies out there that actually have a clue as to what it is they're looking for, and when they find it they don't play stupid games.

Staffing firm? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827821)

Staffing firm? also interviews are to be a 2 way thing not just looking for a seat filler.

I had something like that one a quick phone call from a Staffing / outsourcing firm and then a few days later a call saying why are you not in city that is like 150 miles away in the phone call they said maybe some places up to about 75 miles away. And I did not even fill out any paper work at all.

Some times when they want to hire with just a phone call it may be a scam or a body shop where it's sink of swim or at times you get on site and they say we don't have the funds for you to go into the position you where hired for.

Re:does it work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828123)

Well, it was 23 years ago - but at my current employer, I was offered the job when I went to go turn in my visitor badge after the interview. The hiring manager had called down and told them that he wanted to hire me and to offer me the position. This was - at the time - a 23,000 person company. It is 65,000 now. The hiring I have been involved in has not been so quick though. Generally a pre-screen phone call interview by an HR person (to get the list down from 200 applicants to 50 or so), then a pass through the resumes by our team and we choose a short list, then some in person interviews and, after they are done, a job offer. But I personally did get hired before leaving the building after the interview. So, yes, it does happen. Probably not very damn often though.

Re:does it work? (3)

seifried (12921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830341)

You also have to remember when it comes to technical talent red hat is an open source company and we tend to hire open source people. One huge advantage of open source is we can easily see what people have worked on and contributed. Meaning for most of my coworkers you can plug their name/alias into google and find the projects they work on. Also the communities we work within tend to be quite well connected, for example in the Linux security community we all know each other because we help each other and work on issues together constantly. It makes hiring a lot easier when you can actually see with strong evidence that the person you're hiring is actually capable of doing the job you want to hire them for and even better that they are already a cultural fit.

Would you happen to be owned by dice.com? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826521)

Wow. Just wow. They're really trying to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, aren't they?

Please cancel my subscription to your newsletter.

SPAM (0)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826533)

And not even very well disguised spam at that - wonder if thats a paid link now where did i put Matt Cuts mail address :-)

How to get a Shitty Job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826551)

Apply at Red Hat through Dice.com

how red hat hires (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826561)

do you hate open source and want to destroy it?
yes

are you an awful programmer with an enourmous ego?
yes

you are hired!

Re:how red hat hires (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826891)

I'm just wondering why you think Red Hat wants to kill open source? I don't think they are trying to kill the goose that is laying their golden eggs. In fact, I'm pretty sure they contribute a lot of development effort to many of the open source projects they use/abuse.

They do charge for what's generally available for free in some folks view, but they are a model for how you can make money from Open Source (at least one way. And a quick search on Google would surely lead anybody who didn't already know to CentOS which distributes a Red Hat free distribution that matches Red Hat's distribution down to the jot and tittle (sans the Red Hat Trade mark and Copyrighted art work).

Re:how red hat hires (2)

Karzz1 (306015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826991)

I'm just wondering why you think Red Hat wants to kill open source?

Two words. Lennart Poettering. [wikipedia.org]

See also systemd [wikipedia.org] and pulseaudio [wikipedia.org] . Or better yet, ask Linus [lkml.org] himself.

Re:how red hat hires (3, Insightful)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827445)

I'm just wondering why you think Red Hat wants to kill open source?

Two words. Lennart Poettering. [wikipedia.org]

See also systemd [wikipedia.org] and pulseaudio [wikipedia.org] . Or better yet, ask Linus [lkml.org] himself.

I think Lennart Poettering's work on PulseAudio and Systemd is superb. PulsAudio just plain works; sound has never been so easy and flexible in Linux.
Sys V /init can't die fast enough in my opinion. Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Arch Linux and many lesser distroes, have all ditched it in favour of modern solutions.

Claiming that Red Hat want to kill Open Source is just plain pathetic. RH is _THE_ major contributor to Linux, both with their own projects and up stream contributions. They have always been unwavering staunch in their belief and support of Open Source.

Re:how red hat hires (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827581)

pulseaudio sucks donkey balls. It plain works unless it doesn't, in which case you're fucked. Fortunately plain ALSA works as good as ever and since I first encountered pulseaudio I've kept it off my systems and I haven't had any problems.

Re:how red hat hires (1)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828271)

pulseaudio sucks donkey balls. It plain works unless it doesn't, in which case you're fucked. Fortunately plain ALSA works as good as ever and since I first encountered pulseaudio I've kept it off my systems and I haven't had any problems.

I was an early adopter of PulseAudio since I used Fedora Core. Yes I had problems in the beginning, but only because I used my uncommon internal audio chip. When I used an old, but common and well supported SB 16 card, my problems went away. Really, if you still have problems with PulseAudio, it is because your distro or the audio chip drivers sucks.

Not only does PulseAudio works, it provides features and benefits that ALSA/ OSS /ESD /ArtsD doesn't have. PulseAudio is an elegant solution to the many problems Linux used to have with its audio system. Come on, who doesn't want individual audio level settings for each program?

Re:how red hat hires (2)

inode_buddha (576844) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828891)

"Come on, who doesn't want individual audio level settings for each program?"

Me. WTF do I need that for? My system sounds just fine, always has although audio is rarely used. Mostly just in connection with multimedia apps, and the login screen. That's it.

ALSA did everything I needed for years, and ESD/OSS before that. As a user I really don't give a rat's ass how the code looks behind it all, as long as it works, which it did.

As far as SysVinit, same idea - it worked, and worked very well for decades. I still have no use for fast booting since I rarely if ever reboot. And I fail to see what other use there is for tinkering with something that worked just fine - I liked the old scripts since they were very self-documenting and easily modifiable.

So, no. Keep it.

Re:how red hat hires (4, Informative)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830599)

"Come on, who doesn't want individual audio level settings for each program?"

Me. WTF do I need that for? My system sounds just fine, always has although audio is rarely used. Mostly just in connection with multimedia apps, and the login screen.

The point is that PA allows unobtrusive audio clues, like a gentle "ding ding" 10 minutes before an appointment, even though you are listening to fairly loud music. I like the fact the sound levels in VLC and Amarok is different from the rest of the system.
Before PA there wasn't a functional sound daemon, so everybody just turned off any sound notifications and manually set the sound level to zero to avoid a sudden blast of noise when accidental starting a web commercial, or when "System Bell" gave a extremely loud warning "DING!" just because you had been listening to load music earlier that day.

Not talking about the problems with running sound i Dosbox, or using two apps with sound at the same time, bluetooth sound, etc. PA solved all those problems, it just works and makes life easier for developers, distro makers and end users, which is the reason why all major Linux distributions have converted to it.
People trash talk PA, but it just that, trash talk, without technical argumentation, without any alternative to the many features that PA gives, and without regard to the fact that PA works well in the real world.

That's it.

ALSA did everything I needed for years, and ESD/OSS before that. As a user I really don't give a rat's ass how the code looks behind it all, as long as it works, which it did.

As far as SysVinit, same idea - it worked, and worked very well for decades. I still have no use for fast booting since I rarely if ever reboot. And I fail to see what other use there is for tinkering with something that worked just fine - I liked the old scripts since they were very self-documenting and easily modifiable.

So, no. Keep it.

SystemD goes way, way beyond the wish of faster booting. It really is a Sysadmins dream come true when it comes to controlling the many services (not just daemons) that runs on modern Linux systems. "systemctl" is just a natural, UNIX like way of controlling all these services from the command line or in scripting. "init/Sys V" was perhaps a fitting system for the needs of Unix boxes in the 1980's, but modern day servers and desktop systems have other needs, and init scripts are complicated, messy and fragile to edit. SystemD is just so coherent and natural to use, and allows far superior ways of maintaining, configuring, and monitoring systems.

I think your main problem is, that make your own way of using your system, a baseline for everybody else. You may not use sound very much, but many people actually do, you probably don't use bluetooth sound on your system, but many Linux devices, like smartphones do, you may not have the need to tweak init scripts, or administrating or monitoring services on a server, but other people do.

Re:how red hat hires (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828725)

Well said. Alsa is better than pulseAudio by lightyears.

  Lennart Poettering is an idiot. Even Linus thinks so

captcha = botches....how apt.

Re:how red hat hires (1)

temcat (873475) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830617)

Where did Linus say anything like that about Lennart? Not doubting your words, just genuinely curious.

Re:how red hat hires (2)

JonJ (907502) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830783)

Maybe not "idiot", but certainly not anything nice: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303 [lkml.org]

Re:how red hat hires (1)

Karzz1 (306015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832003)

First off, I didn't say that was my belief. I was playing devil's advocate by answering the question in a way that *many* people in the open source community would agree with.

I don't have a problem with systemd per se, but the breakage introduced into udev is unacceptable and Lennart's attitude towards anyone that disagrees with him is not only insulting but degrading as well. All in all he makes a poor representative for a premier Linux company and I am surprised RH has put him in that position. There are also concerns about Lennart's attention span and how quickly he delegates major projects to a maintainer only to move on to the next big thing.

Systemd is also obfuscated and counter-intuitive in many areas. Having all of your startup located in one directory in nice human readable scripts certainly has its advantages. Systemd also has its advantages as well - quick boot due to parallel execution of init, service dependencies, etc...

The other thing that concerns me with systemd, as explained by Lennart, is not only providing the ability to boot a shell-less system but striving towards that as the end goal. That I have a problem with. If I wanted to use Windows, I know where to find it.

Pulseaudio is one of those things I guess either works out of the box and you love it or is a complete nightmare to set up and you end up hating it. I fall into both camps having had both experiences. Maybe I just love to hate it :D

I recently switched over from Gentoo to Arch Linux on several of my machines just so I could wrap my head around systemd (amongst other things). I also like the idea of a rolling distribution with *less* compilation time. Once I understood systemd and its underpinnings it is not so bad and remains mostly out of my way. Changing the naming convention of network devices that has been in place for decades really pissed me off at first and Arch's decision to drop net-tools by default (really???) did not help matters in this regard.

The jury is still out on pulseaudio in my book.

Wanted Installer Engineer (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826599)

Extensive experience in spelunking, cave diving, labryinth design, byzantine cryptology and chinese calculus.

Must be a self starter able to absord intense criticism, derision and scrutiny.

Prior work experience in self generated realities and distorted truth dimensions a plus.

Company is hiring and prefers non-usless people... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826623)

... News at 11.

Wow - head hunting on Slashdot... Really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826651)

I hear that the church of Scientology is having a banner year!

Recruiters spend 6 seconds on each resume... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826675)

..and journalists at Dice spend the same time writing their "articles"

Re:Recruiters spend 6 seconds on each resume... (1)

sc0ob5 (836562) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828615)

I think what is more concerning is that recruiters seem to spend a lot of that 6 seconds looking at white space.

I think I might send off my next résumé as a blank sheet of paper, sure to get the job.

A Spreadsheet In The Cloud Is Taped To Your Window (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826791)

facing out.

spam (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826793)

Our new overlords can go fuck themselves if they think the community is going to see this paid ad/posting as "news".

English (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826805)

The company's primarily looking for software and technical support engineers, along with salespeople who can help strengthen its cloud-technology capabilities.

Something tells me those words don't mean what you think they mean, unless your salespeople also have technical skills. Either that or they're dead on and "cloud-technology capabilities" literally translates into "we're selling you air" ...

KABLAM! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826893)

Holly slashvertisment BATMAN! Did you just see what I saw? Not one, not two, but three links to Dice.com!

Re:KABLAM! (0)

Desler (1608317) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826985)

And conveniently the "new submitter" works for Dice.

Red Hat is the only company... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826927)

... I've ever spent literally days preparing a job application online and had the rejection response almost faster than I clicked the submit button.

It was truly soul destroying.

A premium on those who research their business... Hmmm...

Jx

Re:Red Hat is the only company... (1)

fliptout (9217) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827109)

Just curious- did you meet all the listed requirements?

Re: Red Hat is the only company... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42830767)

There are more teams than the one you applied for surely. Don't waste your effort. Try positions you also feel suitable for

If you dont have a cover letter you dont want job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42826971)

Its all down to the cover letter,
In the first paragraph, you want job X: Tick
You have Y years experience in similar area: Tick
You have a degree: Tick
You say something to show you are keen: Tick

You go into the pile for second look (or get another 20 seconds, the next few paragraphs will get you from that 20 seconds into the second look pile)

Oh dice (1, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | about a year and a half ago | (#42826975)

New submitter markfeffer, Senior Editor at Dice, writes

Not even trying to hide things anymore? Fail Dice ad is fail.

In other words: please manipulate us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827003)

It's weird, they want to receive CVs from people who have done their homework on them. The outcome of that is that they will receive CVs that are tailored to their view, which really just means that they will receive CVs that are custom-tailored to manipulate them. Unless all you want is salespeople, I just don't see how that is a good thing. They should instead strip all CVs of all but standard information and format it in a standard way in order to prevent all that manipulation from reaching the people who make the hiring decisions.

The constant upgrade treadmill put me off! (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827019)

Congratulations to Red Hat though I definitely won't among the hires. I am uninterested.

Here's why:

Most of these tech companies require that a [new] hire remains up-to-date. This isn't the problem, though. The problem is that the costs involved are pushed to the employee. The time/energy spent is enormous. If one has little ones, it's worse.

Time came when I was absent minded, thinking about a function that just could not work properly. Exposure to newer ways of solving tasks like the one I had would have helped, but I had to foot the initial cost!! Imagine that in this economy. My company agreed to reimburse the costs if I passed, and remained with them for at least 2 more years. In the mean time, deadlines were exerting enormous pressure.

Guess what, I quit, and I am a happier fella.

Re:The constant upgrade treadmill put me off! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828105)

You are hired because you are a professional engineer etc. You are not a professional because you are there.
Keeping up to date in your field is part of being professional. It is your responsibility, not theirs.

Re:The constant upgrade treadmill put me off! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828753)

Well done in not even arguing the point, but making it seem like you think you have.

Re: The constant upgrade treadmill put me off! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42830779)

Soooo most countries red hat operate in give you 2k personal training budget as well as free premium courses like RHCE etc... I'd say you can stay up to date and then some and not have it wreck your pocket

Re:The constant upgrade treadmill put me off! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831943)

I work for Red Hat. I've been here for almost 7.5 years. I am a Red Hat Certified Architect, a Red Hat Certified Datacenter Specialist, a Red Hat Certified Security Specialist, a Red Hat Certified Virtualization Administrator, a Red Hat Certified Instructor, and a Red Hat Certified Examiner.

This has cost me exactly nothing. Yes, we absolutely require that our technical staff members stay up to speed - how else are we going to serve our customers, otherwise?

We offer free training to help our team members meet that requirement.

Re:The constant upgrade treadmill put me off! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831991)

Argh, sorry, I forgot to put my name - sorry about that! I am Thomas Cameron, and I work on the solutions architect team in the central region of the US.

Customized resumes?????! (2)

jd (1658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827181)

I do not, will not, customize a resume for Red Hat. The Starship Enterprise could be flying over and hiring, but they would get standard and that is that.

Those who have spent any serious time applying for jobs know that numbers matter. It is ALL a numbers game. There may be ten thousand, or maybe a hundred thousand, people who will apply for the position who technically qualify. The job market is overflowing with programmers who have "mad skillz" (and maybe even spelling skills). The odds of getting the job are very very slim and you will have taken 8 hours to customize the resume, format it perfectly, etc. It takes about 2 minutes to fire off the appropriate standard resume (I assume you've three or four standard resumes) and a marginally modified cover letter.

Assuming the probability of getting a specific job is about the same, you do the maths on which is the more productive approach.

Sure, Red Hat is a major prize, but so is the lottery. And you know how that is a really crappy investment.

Re:Customized resumes?????! (4, Insightful)

dingman (126949) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827927)

If you are looking for some job, any job, this attitude may make some sense. Say, because you are unemployed or because you are truly miserable in your current position. Even with a pretty crummy employment market at the moment, this is not most people.

If you are looking for a next position, say because you have a big life change coming, want career advancement, or just plain feel like it's time for a change, this doesn't make sense at all. Spewing uncountable copies of your resume to the four winds and hoping might land you a job. If so, my guess is at some company you have no connection to, no passion for, and likely no reason but the pay check to keep going. This is not a recipe for happiness OR success in the new job.

I frankly can't imagine being willing to leave my current position for another one unless it was more than sufficiently exciting to justify customizing a resume and cover letter. Heck, the last time I did that it was for an internal transfer. Probably the next time, too. Red Hat is an excellent fit for me. Of course, I also find the whole idea of finding jobs through any form of job add rather improbable. I've literally never been hired for a job that I had seen an add for before I had talked with the hiring manager. Do people really get jobs that way in statistically significant numbers?

Re:Customized resumes?????! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828781)

WTF are you smoking?

your post is the biggest idiotic load of shit i've seen on/. for years, and that's saying something. Did you even READ the post you replied to?

"Do people really get jobs that way in statistically significant numbers?"

I would suggest that 100% of publically advertised jobs get filled. You sir are a fucking idiot.

Re:Customized resumes?????! (1)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831141)

It doesn't have to be the choice between "8 hours to customize" and "2 minutes to fire off". I've, too, used several templates while looking for a job last year, but I also took time to write a paragraph or two for more interesting offers.

As for formatting etc.: LaTeX does a good job making the resume look good with minimal effort. Word processor would've taken much more time for similar results, that's for sure.

Re:Customized resumes?????! (1)

neurovish (315867) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831939)

Not sure about where you are, but I've found that places in Tampa are generally having a hard time finding the right person. Last couple times I've hired somebody, it took months until we finally found somebody from out of town in both cases. I also recently changed jobs and heard that I was pretty much the only qualified person they talked to.

Also, there is the difference between looking for "a job" and "the job you want". I've only worked a handful of places, and I can see that the company can make a huge difference. The last place I worked was kind of a "I need a job, oh there's a job" situation, and it was not good.

Re:Customized resumes?????! (1)

0racle (667029) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832557)

Red Hat is a major prize

They're going to be like any other company.

picked the wrong direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827217)

I've been put off Red Hat since they made Gnome their preferred desktop environment.

Re:picked the wrong direction (1)

Xacid (560407) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828165)

Redhat has a gui?

Re:picked the wrong direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828403)

Desktop: http://www.redhat.com/products/enterprise-linux/desktop/

Disappointed (2)

SuilAmhain (2819677) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827257)

I was genuinely interested in what RedHat were looking for and especially curious to see what the implied clever resume was. This "article" is just bad form.

As someone who worked for Red Hat (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827279)

You're better off not sending them your resume.

Captcha: leftists. Yup.

Re:As someone who worked for Red Hat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827793)

And why not send a resume ?

Re:As someone who worked for Red Hat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828881)

Can you elaborate a bit?

hiring managers and recruiters collaborate close (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42827607)

So it's the PHB who run the show the that means that the minimum of five years’ experience and other BS like we want a masters or phd comes from non tech managers?

Fi[r5t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42827703)

ho0se... 4athetic.

why? (1)

fazey (2806709) | about a year and a half ago | (#42828211)

Why? Their support is terrible. Don't waste your money. Go with CentOS and hire a good admin.

Complete farce. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828573)

Having worked at Red Hat in 2 different departments, I can certainly say that this article is 100% bullshit.

Last line in the article:
"In essence, Red Hat wants to know that you’re going to make a commitment to the job, not simply get a bit of experience and jump somewhere else
Dice News in Tech"

RedHat takes full advantage of it's brand to sucker and lure unsuspecting and gullible people into working long hours for low pay. Everyone is overworked at the low to mid levels, management is dysfunctional, and voicing your own "ideas" is a frowned upon form of insubordination that is likely to get you blacklisted/fired.

If you want to form a real opinion about the worklife there without a bunch of marketing nonsense, take a look through the reviews on glassdoor.com: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Red-Hat-Reviews-E8868.htm

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42829147)

Erm, the reviews are mostly positive...

Re:Complete farce. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42829327)

That's because they wrote them at knifepoint you see!

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42829903)

Hahahahah. Look at their tech support salaries! They pay a mere $44k?! Are you kidding me?! I started my tech support career almost fifteen years ago with a $70k contract and make double that, today. Doing mostly unix tech support. For $44k, I could just go manage a fucking fast food restaurant. How do they expect to supposedly "attract the best" and keep them, when they offer such shit salaries?!

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42830213)

Starting was 30k when I was there early oughts. They have always lowballed, "because they're red hat". Of course nowadays any stock options might be worth more than toilet paper.

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42830259)

Correction, under 30k. My < was eaten

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832935)

It's simple dude, they don't keep them. They go through employees in their support dept. like underwear. Most come into support for the experience, the free training, and then they leave as soon as they can find another job anywhere else. NetApp is a popular place to leave Red Hat for these days. For the most part, none of the support employees are happy with how the department is handled, but everyone keeps their mouth shut. The blacklisting/firing is a _very_ real concept. You don't see that kind of treatment in Engineering, which I see someone from there has already commented here, or in other areas. It's definitely a mgmt trait that is unique to GSS (Global Support Services).

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42830161)

I'm going to call bullshit on this. Red Hat is well known for encouraging its employees to voice their opinions and ideas openly: http://www.managementexchange.com/story/employee-led-evolution-memo-list-red-hat

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831035)

RH software engineer, and I can't tell you how incorrect this post is. I've never worked anywhere that encouraged voicing your own ideas so much, I've never heard of *anyone* getting fired for doing so, my management has been great, I virtually never work long hours, and salary has been exceptional.

Re:Complete farce. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831383)

News at 10: Bitter guy is bitter.

Re:Complete farce. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831591)

Actually this comment is a complete farce - I work at Red Hat as an 'individual contributor' pretty far down the chain and am constantly amazed by how seriously my ideas and suggestions are taken. To the contrary of getting blacklisted/fired, I've received awards for voicing my opinion in a frank manner. We are constantly encouraged to voice our opinions, as well. This is not your traditional top-down hierarchy kind of company at all; you can easily get involved in a project or work directly with people who are many steps above you in the org chart and it's no big deal at all. (If I worked at a more traditional sort of company - and I have in the past and quit - I probably would have eventually been fired as I have a difficult time keeping my mouth shut when forced to follow bureaucratic processes that don't make any sense... at Red Hat if I spoke up about a bureaucratic process that didn't make sense I'd be invited to propose a better process and be allowed to work on that if I built up enough support for it! This has actually happened...)

Where you may have interpreted seeing people 'overworked' I think is really that the walls/barriers between projects and departments are so low, if you have an interest in a specific area or project you can get involved - people who work at Red Hat tend to seriously be deeply passionate (it's not just a marketing line) about what the company does so they like getting involved in all these different areas - but in many cases it's completely opt-in.

Re:Complete farce. (2)

neurovish (315867) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831973)

They have a 3.8 rating on Glassdoor....that is pretty good. Google's rating is 4.1.

$ellouts! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42828767)

How dare a Linux & open source company try to hire employees and make money! Who do they? Decadent monsters.

BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!

They should look for UI designers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42829041)

GNOME Shell is an usability nightmare and it's all the work of morons at Red Hat who know nothing about UI. They should fire Allan Day and all who worked on the GNOME Shell design and hire actual UI experts.

Re:They should look for UI designers (1)

wed128 (722152) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830987)

I actually like gnome shell *ducks*

Seriously. it's simple. it stays out of the way.

Tech Support Salary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42829885)

Does anyone happen to know what the salary is that they're offering for tech support? I suspect it's not even worth my time. I do tech support in a primarily unix environment and I earn about $150k per year. From home. (Well, from a houseboat, usually). Something tells me that Red Hat doesn't even remotely compete with that.

Fascinating (1)

JonJ (907502) | about a year and a half ago | (#42830937)

Now how about Novell/SUSE and Canonical?

Study suspicions (1)

R. M. Dasheff (2598713) | about a year and a half ago | (#42833899)

The link to the article (that's custom-tailored [dice.com] ) that talks about customizing your resume refers to a study conducted by TheLadders.com, a recruiting agency. There are no details there as to how the study was conducted and no way to determine whether or not the results are in any way significant. YMMV.

Interviewed with RH twice... (1)

ndtechnologies (814381) | about a year and a half ago | (#42833927)

First time, they flew me out, rented me a car, interviewed me for over 5 hours. Once I arrived at the HQ on campus at NC State, I wasn't allowed to leave. I wasn't given anything to eat. I was given a bottle of "red hat" water (I took 2 more as I left to get on my return flight). So needless to say, once the HR rep came around (she was the last interviewer) I was pretty tired and pretty snippy because I hadn't eaten anything all day (the person who was going to be my boss was to take me out to lunch, but he didn't. He just left after interviewing me). I didn't make a good impression, and frankly, I'm glad I don't work there. That was my first experience. The 2nd interview (for a different position) went mildly better, but they hired local, and I was out of state. I'm sure most people don't care one whit about this, but just figured I'd share my experience.
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