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Fox News: US Solar Energy Investment Less Than Germany Because US Has Less Sun

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the Ra-likes-the-germans-better dept.

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Andy Prough writes "Apparently those wise folks at Fox have figured out America's reluctance to invest as much money in solar energy as Germany — the Germans simply have more sun! Well, as Will Oremus from Slate points out, according to the U.S. Dept. of Energy's Solar Resource map comparison of the U.S. and Germany, nothing could be further from the truth — Germany receives as much sunlight as the least lit U.S. state — Alaska."

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Problem? (5, Funny)

jayrulez (2794643) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831777)

Fox News

Re:Problem? (5, Funny)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831839)

To be fair, at 0800 UTC when they conducted their test, Germany was getting more sun than the US....

Sun, vs sunlight (-1, Redundant)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831879)

This is not meant to nickpick

I know "US getting less sun than US" means "US getting less sunlight than US", but I still feel a little bit queasy when people substitute the word "Sun" for "Sunlight"

Maybe that's just me ...

Re:Sun, vs sunlight (5, Funny)

tooyoung (853621) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832077)

This is not meant to nickpick

I know "US getting less sun than US" means "US getting less sunlight than US", but I still feel a little bit queasy when people substitute the word "Sun" for "Sunlight"

Not to nitpick, but no one said "US getting less sun than US". I feel a bit queasy when people substitute the word "Germany" for "US".

Re:Sun, vs sunlight (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832135)

Damnit you bastard. I used up all my modpoints.

And you beat me to that point.

+1 funny psudomod...

Re:Problem? (4, Informative)

sonnejw0 (1114901) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832117)

You jest about the different time points, but in essence this is what the linked image has basically done. The data from Germany is from 1981-1990 using ground data, while the data from the US is from 1998-2005 using satellite data in a modeled extrapolation.

Re:Problem? (5, Funny)

Lord Lemur (993283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832041)

"Really, Fox News? Everything Fox News says is a lie. Even true things, once said on Fox News, become lies." - Lois Griffin

Re:Problem? (2, Funny)

fufufang (2603203) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832105)

Fox News

"Faux News", FTFY.

Re:Problem? (0)

Lucas123 (935744) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832157)

It is after all, the number one news network for 10 years in row.

Re:Problem? (5, Funny)

Narcocide (102829) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832213)

Only if you don't also count Comedy Central as a news network.

Anyone think Fox doesn't know this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831781)

Their followers, however...

Re:Anyone think Fox doesn't know this? (5, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831949)

Their followers, however...will be outraged that the USA has less of something (anything!) than some other country.

Re:Anyone think Fox doesn't know this? (5, Funny)

daem0n1x (748565) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832217)

Maybe they could spin it the other way saying that the US receive more darkness than any other country in the world! Take that, you German tree-hugging faggots!

Oh give them a break (5, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831787)

It's the very first time Fox has said anything that's factually incorrect.

Oh, give Slashdot a break (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831831)

It's the very first time Slashdot has said anything that isn't.

Re:Oh give them a break (3, Insightful)

Deitiker (732739) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831913)

I think it is the first time that _anyone_ in the media has said anything that is factually incorrect.

Re:Oh give them a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831935)

You couldn't be farther from the truth.

Re:Oh give them a break (4, Interesting)

bondsbw (888959) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831957)

I wonder how many actually bothered to watch the video. That statement was stupid, of course, but it was just an added "fact" that really doesn't change the tone of the report that solar energy subsidies have resulted in very little output. We are throwing money away at failed companies.

I'm all for solar energy. But I'm not for throwing our money away. My thought: who is being held accountable for the money, and overseeing that it goes into productive use?

Re:Oh give them a break (5, Insightful)

blackraven14250 (902843) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832101)

If this is their "expert" on solar energy, it's a serious blow to Fox's nonexistent credibility. If they can't be bothered to bring on experts who, at the very least, are going to dance around the real issue factually to make a case for the conservative standpoint, they need to get off the air.

Re:Oh give them a break (-1, Redundant)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831959)

It's the very first time Fox has said anything that's factually incorrect.

... Said a Fox news reporter!

Re:Oh give them a break (3, Funny)

daem0n1x (748565) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832235)

It's the very first time Fox has said anything that's factually incorrect.

... Said a Fox news reporter!

And it's factually incorrect.

Re:Oh give them a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832037)

It's the very first time Fox has said anything that's factually incorrect.

Even a broken clock indicates the correct hour twice a day.

Re:Oh give them a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832049)

"Now, you're sure those nasty not-Republicans can't check these facts and show they're wrong, right? They CAN, but the research was government-funded? Perfect! That means they were in on the grand conspiracy! We can't trust that evil, evil government unless we're in complete control!"

How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831791)

They mentioned briefly that the US tried to subsidize solar but the Chinese kept undercutting our manufacturers and we just couldn't beat their prices. What is Germany doing differently that allows them to beat Chinese prices? Tariffs? Import restrictions? Why does that kind of market manipulation work for Germany and why do we allow subsidies to happen in the states but not that sort of competition restriction?

Oh, right, they have more sun ... which still doesn't answer how their solar products compete with the Chinese. I like how they named dropped 'natgas' several times because the US has so much of it! No problems worth mentioning about natural gas!

Maybe the reason isn't chinese undercutting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831961)

That would be the first port of call (so to speak).

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831989)

They mentioned briefly that the US tried to subsidize solar but the Chinese kept undercutting our manufacturers and we just couldn't beat their prices. What is Germany doing differently that allows them to beat Chinese prices? Tariffs? Import restrictions? Why does that kind of market manipulation work for Germany and why do we allow subsidies to happen in the states but not that sort of competition restriction? Oh, right, they have more sun ... which still doesn't answer how their solar products compete with the Chinese. I like how they named dropped 'natgas' several times because the US has so much of it! No problems worth mentioning about natural gas!

The only explanation is that China must get more sun than anyone else in the World.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (1, Insightful)

splutty (43475) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831993)

The difference most probably being that Germany isn't pumping money into making their own solar panels, but just buying them from the chinese, and then setting everything up locally.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (5, Informative)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832165)

Actually Germany is one of the largest players in PV, both research and manufacturing.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (1)

MtHuurne (602934) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832195)

Indeed: the feed-in tariff means that home owners get paid a decent price for delivering electricity to the grid. It doesn't specify where the home owners should buy their panels.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (4, Insightful)

Zorpheus (857617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832093)

In the past a large fraction of all solar cells was produced in Germany, but that was mostly because the production chains were set up and improved earlier than in other countries. Nowadays the German solar industry has the same problems as the American. And the reaction of the government is just to cut the subsidies, by quickly lowering the guaranteed prices for power from solar cells. Still, that hurts the German companies more than the Chinese, since the Chinese have lower costs due to lower wages and newer production plants.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832095)

Obviously they don't have an obstructive fossil-fuel industry that forcefully gets in the way of any advancement that would put their business model in danger. Good example is Chevron and their shameless sandbagging of large-format NiMH batteries. This sort of thing isn't uncommon when you have a political system that seems almost tailor made to be abused by whoever has the most cash. Its disgusting how lobbyist are pulling the strings of our duly elected puppets, errr politions.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (1)

smi.james.th (1706780) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832107)

I think that the point of this piece was more to comment on how wasteful the expenditure of tax dollars has been. Not that that really excuses this particular gaffe, but they do actually make a valid point.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832109)

The one reason that the US lost its solar industry is because Congress failed to do anything about it. I remember reading the hack attempts left and right against the companies.

Then the attacks ceased.

Four months later, China started shipping panels for less than the cost it takes to buy the materials. The car analogy would be selling vehicles for less than their scrap value.

Congress stepped in to protect a motorcycle maker that was getting swamped by legit competitors, why couldn't they step in to protect an industry that is key to the national security and economic well-being?

I am still hoping for solar to be useful. For example, it would be nice to have all new roofing have some sort of solar mechanism built in. It may not be as good as a monocrystalline panel, but it is better than nothing.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832153)

What Germany is doing differently is subsidies. For many years, you could get a feed-in tariff of as much as EUR 0.65/kWh for providing solar electricity to the grid. Every sheep farmer in the country was covering his fields with PV. And, if you raised the panels up, you could still graze sheep because enough sunlight got around them to grow grass. The price of PV worldwide skyrocketed, leading to huge growth in production. That production bubble is now working its way through the marketplace and the price of PV panels has come from $4/W to under $1/W.

What Germany has that we don't is a strong enough environmental movement to provide political backbone to those who want to spend taxpayer dollars to subsidize solar.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832207)

They mentioned briefly that the US tried to subsidize solar but the Chinese kept undercutting our manufacturers and we just couldn't beat their prices. What is Germany doing differently that allows them to beat Chinese prices?

Having worked for a solar company in Belgium. We got our panels from the Chinese, everything else like inverters we got from Germany. (SMA to be more specific)
The Chinese panels were actually very good, making panels isn't the hard part, it's what you need to do as cheaply as possible. The hard part is an inverter that works with any and all panels, works on any grid following all local regulations with good efficiency and quality that will make it last 10-20 years.

The inverter(s) is the heart and brain of a solar installation, don't cheap out on it because its efficiency will effect all the panels.

Re:How Does Germany Beat Chinese Pricing? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832221)

Um German here. Actually the Chinese are undercutting us. Our solar panel industry has moved out of country, gone bankrupt or is close to the brink of going bankrupt. The part of the industry not building panels is fine though.

Whether that is a bad thing I can't say. Prices are very good now and they keep getting better. If the goal would have been local manufacture...well...that failed, if it was spreading solar power and making it viable it was a great success.

Where's the accountability? (4, Insightful)

Linsaran (728833) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831797)

So I know this is Fox News we're talking about here, but where exactly does one draw the line between a failure to check your sources, and becoming a tabloid?

Re:Where's the accountability? (4, Insightful)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831845)

Audience...

Fox would qualify as a tabloid save for the fact that a large part of the US takes them seriously.

Re:Where's the accountability? (4, Funny)

wvmarle (1070040) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831853)

Notwithstanding that this doesn't even sound remotely plausible. Anyone with just a basic idea of geography knows that Germany is on a much higher latitude, where the sun doesn't shine as brightly as on lower latitudes.

But then I guess that to some those deserts in southern US are best known for their dark, overcast winter days, and Germany is best known for their scorching hot summers.

Re:Where's the accountability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832159)

Notwithstanding that this doesn't even sound remotely plausible. Anyone with just a basic idea of geography knows that Germany is on a much higher latitude, where the sun doesn't shine as brightly as on lower latitudes.

But then I guess that to some those deserts in southern US are best known for their dark, overcast winter days, and Germany is best known for their scorching hot summers.

Oh please we're talking about americans here. They don't even know the geography of their own backyard. Germany ? What's that ? Something that we eat like hotdogs ?

Re:Where's the accountability? (4, Funny)

obarthelemy (160321) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831857)

Please don't insult tabloids.

Re:Where's the accountability? (1)

pastafazou (648001) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831899)

This wasn't an issue of checking sources. The host asked the reporter "why", and rather than say, "uh, I don't know", the reporter decided to make it up on the spot.

Re:Where's the accountability? (1)

Attack DAWWG (997171) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832043)

the reporter decided to make it up on the spot.

On Fox News, that probably earned the reporter a nice promotion.

Re:Where's the accountability? (1, Offtopic)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832099)

Hey, say what you will about them...but Fox news DOES have the best looking news chicks by far of any of the networks!!

Gotta give them props for that!!!

Candy Crowley....well, she sure does have the face and body for a great radio personality.

Re:Where's the accountability? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831905)

Hard to say since neither the TFS or TFA actually cite Fox as saying this. Not that I don't believe someone said it but the details are thin and, frankly, not citing the source from Fox is sloppy (at best) journalism. The whole thing smacks of being about a half a step away from newspeak. Again, Fox is no better.

Re:Where's the accountability? (5, Informative)

s0litaire (1205168) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832027)

Guess you didn't watch the video on the site then???
2:50+ into the video you get the offending statements

Here I made it easy for you:

http://youtu.be/jJN0B2RIIMI?t=2m50s [youtu.be]

Re:Where's the accountability? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832057)

A reporter answered a question with what can only be a wild ass guess.

Of course retards hate anything not hosted by faggots as wrong (MSNBC, CNN)

Its not like Fox is editing 911 calls to make it sound like racial profiling... that was premeditated.... and yet overlooked by most lib-fuck-tards.

Stupid reporter said something stupid.... how is this a big conspiracy?

Re:Where's the accountability? (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832067)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw [youtube.com]

With this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw [youtube.com] it became official that it's not illegal to report false news in the US. Since then ALL news reporters don't give a fsk to be 100% sure of their facts.

Since then, Fox has been operating on the the corollary:
" It is *legal* to make up news in the US. "

If normal people tried to do the same, they'd call it slander.

Re:Where's the accountability? (5, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832119)

Fox is part of a class of media outlets that tells its audience what it believes it wants to hear. That's it. It's not about fact checking or anything like that, it's about knowing that its audience would actually stop watching it if it changed direction and concentrated more on telling them what Fox believes is true, rather than what the audience thinks is true.

On that note, someone is bound to mention MSNBC, but MSNBC isn't really watched by anyone. MSNBC's mistake, FWIW, is that it's trying to do the same thing as Fox but for a different audience, but doesn't realize that liberals, by and large, don't "want to hear" things they "agree with" if they can't be backed up with facts (plus I don't believe NBC actually has any idea what a diverse bunch liberals actually are in practice.)

I'm embarassed to say that I've worked for at least one media outlet (not going to say which, thankfully most Slashdotters have probably never heard of it) that tries to do the same thing though publishing a variety of different magazines. The "liberal" products did badly, the "tea party" products did well. I leave it to the reader to determine why.

Re:Where's the accountability? (4, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832203)

I think maybe this question should be asked of slate.

Despite this being loaded with wording signifying it ai a political rant, I watched the video and it doesn't seem to say what the article says. In the video, the question was asked about why it works for Germany and not the US, the answer was, it's the sun it doesn't work as well on a cloudy day, it works well in California and not so good in the north east.

That is not an incorrect statement even though it skips the entire question of why it different in Germany.

Paragon of quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831799)

Slashdot

Paragon of butthurt-ness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831925)

Conservative nutcases on Slashdot

That's the thing about an agenda... (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831827)

You so limit yourself if you let facts get in the way. What troubles me most is the number of sentient people I know who listen to, believe, and repeat verbatim what they hear on Murdoch's newscast.

Oh well, shit in shit out... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831841)

Please don't ridicule Fox News. These guys are just doing their job.
Propaganda for the poor anti-science, bible thumping, redneck Republitards.

Re:Oh well, shit in shit out... (4, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831921)

That's a liberal canard. Actually, Fox is Fair and Balanced. Says so right on the tin.

Re:Oh well, shit in shit out... (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831995)

That's a liberal canard.

What is? Not mocking Fox news or mocking it?

I do love how people on slashdot^wthe internet love making up random shit about what "liberal" is.

Hint: being a liberal is entirely orthogonal to the indesputable fact that FOX news is terrible. It would be news if Fox actually reported a fact correctly. Most news programs are bad, but fox makes them look good by comparison.

Re:Oh well, shit in shit out... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832177)

Now when you a news organization that states If you disagree with our stance than you are part of the liberal conspiracy.
I am political moderate with a conservative leaning, however Fox news just tosses out any sort stance of being fare.
I realized it when I actually started watching it back when the Iraq war started. It lasted about a week when I saw an Interview between Some dumb college freshman, who organized a war protest with a some right wing political analysis.

Re:Oh well, shit in shit out... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832113)

Unlike other outlets that openly give liberals hand jobs and reach around's to support their perverted views.

Are you saying MSNBC, CNN, NBC others are not ACTIVELY biased and pushing an agenda?

Do you really want to the world to see how clueless you are?

Re:Oh well, shit in shit out... (1)

fredrated (639554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832181)

Actually, if you hadn't posted as a coward, the world would see that you haven't got the brains God gave a pile of shit.

Part of a series (3, Informative)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831867)

Actually, if you look at Fox over the past few weeks, they've run a series of anti-solar articles. I guess somebody wants to sell more oil.

Re:Part of a series (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831951)

Which is part of the problem ... Fox shills for the corporations, and CNN shills for the Republicans.

During most of the Iraq, er, conflict, CNN was blindly parroting everything the administration saying without any criticism. Only years later did they start having any form of balance in their coverage.

I haven't taken Fox seriously as a news source in years -- Rupert has it so heavily skewed it isn't funny.

Re:Part of a series (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831987)

CNN? What are you smoking? Can I have some, it must be real stupid good stuff.

Re:Part of a series (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832087)

Who? The Obama administration? Let's face facts here. Obama poured millions maybe even billions into solar companies that failed to produce even a single kWh. Most of these companies went belly-up with tons of tax payer dollars in their pockets. Fox doesn't really have a say in the energy policy of the Unites States where the president does. So who's really serving what agenda here? It's nice that you can now point your finger at Fox and say they held it back but if that was really the case than how is it ObamaCare is now "the law of the land"?
 
If public opinion counted for anything outside of who gets elected (and even that is a bit dubious) than how is it the 99% are still slaving away while the 1% are still jet-setting just to have their favorite steak dinner 6 time zones away?

Re:Part of a series (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832123)

It's a little more complicated. There's a broad campaign to influence the mainstream media and google search results to convince the public that peak oil and energy supplies are not a problem. Oil companies need this perception so that their stock prices stay up, their assets don't lose value, bank financing keeps rolling in and everyone gets their bonuses.

It's nonsense of course. Net energy from oil keeps declining even as available supplies increase slightly or stay stable. Prices keep going up and will keep going up. It's just more expensive to get oil out of a deep water well in the Gulf of Mexico, or Antarctica than it is in Saudi Arabia or West Texas, both of which are seeing their major field production decline.

Natural gas, which is a bright spot, energetically speaking, isn't making any money. So, the talk is about oil and how wondrous it is.

Colbert's Law Of Physics (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831891)

The sun has a well-known liberal bias, therefore the US gets less sunlight than a socialist European welfare state.

Re:Colbert's Law Of Physics (2, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832025)

The sun has a well-known liberal bias, therefore the US gets less sunlight than a socialist European welfare state.

What sort of communist power source would give heat and light for free!

Re:Colbert's Law Of Physics (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832189)

What sort of communist power source would give heat and light for free!

So the universe is communist? It's scattered literally billions of these potential free energy sources around.

Surely it owes someone royalties or something, how are we supposed to monetize a universe which provides all of this free stuff?

Re:Colbert's Law Of Physics (1)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832237)

The sun has a well-known liberal bias, therefore the US gets less sunlight than a socialist European welfare state.

But .. but .. but Hussein the Communist is in power now. Surely he must have commanded the sun to shine more on *his*socialist welfare state recipients (well at least 47% of them). So why doesn't the sun shine more on the US? I bet it's too much government regulation getting in the way of all the small business owners and stopping them from using free capital from the 1% in order to build their cloud dispersing innovative devices. Or .. or .. or ..maybe its because that paragon of small independent business made good - Micro$oft - is in the battle of the end times with the evil iZombie of Steve Jobs who came back from the dead to in order to defend the iApple patent on iCloud iDissipation and the public just isn't allowed to buy the one thing that will allow the sun to shine (hmm .. the Sun *does* have rounded corners .. too round at that!) until the Barry's Supreme Court brings down another tablet from Heaven that proclaims the next 10 commandments (Thou shall not be allowed to have Assault Rifles, Thou Shall not covert thy neighbors ammunition etc)

Those suntan flaunting Germans (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831897)

I am envious of the deep suntans that most Germans flaunt in my face.

Re:Those suntan flaunting Germans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832047)

They use custom made sunlight attracting towels.

Morning Show (4, Insightful)

sanosuke001 (640243) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831903)

It's a morning show; they all suck. It doesn't have to be FOX News.

Re:Morning Show (4, Insightful)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831983)

It's a morning show; they all suck. It doesn't have to be FOX News.

It does when both sides are so polarized and angry with each other. All the while we the sheeple keep believing whatever spews from either sides mouth. Both sides have their agenda, and both agendas suck in their own way.

I'm wondering how this is news for nerds? All news organizations repeat filtered facts, chock full of slanted opinion, with the purpose of keeping viewers to sell ad time. They all have become more entertainment then news.

Re:Morning Show (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832227)

using the word "sheeple" outs you as an idiot, FYI.

Re:Morning Show (1)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832001)

It's a morning show; they all suck. It doesn't have to be FOX News.

Yeah but on the odd times that I have watched Fox news in the morning I have been/astounded amused by how bad the reporting has been. On several occasions I have witnessed Gretchen say something and then her co-hosts immediately correct her - all without missing a beat.

On the other hand .. while I think that Fox and Friends is pure drivel (do I really want musical guests in a morning news program?), some of the afternoon news shows that I have seen have been very even handed in their reporting.

spaghetti on a ceiling (1)

cenerentolo (2817897) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831911)

let's also mention the sheer SIZE of alaska, compared to germany... unless that flips the argument... ... no, just checked alaska is 1.5ish times the size of germany, so THERE! :)

The real reason (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831915)

The real reasons the US is slow on solar is due to the payback period. Due to high property taxes, permit fees, and relatively low electric rates, the payback period in most parts of the US is 15+years. With the job morket and soft realesate market, the chances of breaking even is slim for many. A map of the insolation index of much of the US shows much of the US will receive much less than most of the high population areas.

I did pick up a solar panel. I put it on my motorhome where the generation cost is very high due to high gas prices. Then I take my vacation trips to Arizona and Utah to visit the national parks. Being self contained instead of paying for sites with hookups, quickly pay the investment cost of the panels instead of the payback rate of installing them on my house in the Pacific Northwest.

Seriously, Fuck America (0)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831923)

Is this why we have such miserable weather over here in Ireland? Quit hogging the sunshine America, leave some for us. This is so typical of you, you make nothing of your own, you just take it from everyone else.

Re:Seriously, Fuck America (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832013)

You are yelling at the wrong Country: It's Germany that is stealing your Sunshine. We are as starved for it as you are. The Telebox told me so, thus it must be true.

Re:Seriously, Fuck America (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832073)

Is this why we have such miserable weather over here in Ireland?

No, that's just god punishing you for being Irish.

Bazinga!

Lot's of 'experts' aren't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42831963)

I was watching MSNBC a while ago and an 'expert' on community development was asked about the effects of trickle down economics. Their reply - It has obviously failed, after all just how many maids and gardeners can the rich employ? Sharpton rolled his eyes and immediately cut to commercial. When they came back the 'expert' was gone.

Does anyone really know? (5, Funny)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about a year and a half ago | (#42831971)

Sun comes up. Sun goes down. You can't explain that.

Re:Does anyone really know? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832127)

Sun comes up, sun comes down, we are all thank GOP for that.

The official GOP/Fox News explanation... (1)

Ellis D. Tripp (755736) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832243)

The sun rises and sets because GOD wants it to. End of discussion.

I would recommend that any residents of Arizona (2)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832005)

I would recommend that any residents of Arizona who want some more sunshine visit Bavaria!

Re:I would recommend that any residents of Arizona (2)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832053)

I would recommend that any residents of Arizona who want some more sunshine visit Bavaria!

Just in case someone doesn't get it: Bavaria climate [holidaycheck.com] , and Arizona climate [holidaycheck.com] .

Germany has had consistent policy (5, Informative)

DaKong (150846) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832009)

Germany has advanced its clean energy capacity because it has maintained a clear and consistent policy of incentivizing it for over a decade. It is paying off. Last year they set a record by generating half of weekend electricity demand with solar [inhabitat.com] . Denmark has managed something similar with wind power, getting 24% of its electricity that way [spiegel.de] .

Of course, Germany and Denmark have strong green constituencies who support those policies, but there are realpolitik concerns at work too. A few years back Russia shut down the natural gas pipeline that ran through the Ukraine to Germany and central Europe because they wanted to play politics with the Ukrainians. Natural gas prices spiked in Europe overnight and put a serious crimp in its economy. The Germans, Danes, and many others got the wake up call and have been driving toward energy independence hard.

There are longer term benefits for those economies who move their energy base off fossil fuels: predictable energy costs. In economic terms, when you increase the predictability and stability of key inputs businesses can better plan and grow, in the same way that low inflation means businesses can better know what their borrowing costs and real revenues will be.

Solar energy is state-subsidized in Germany (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832019)

Many households and some funds in Germany invest into solar energy because there is a guaranteed income for the power those cells produce. The solar industry in Germany currently fears the cheap cells coming from China. Some factories already died due to the hard competition

Apparently the wise people... (1)

Skiron (735617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832069)

... at Fox reckon man never landed on the moon either.

Re:Apparently the wise people... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832171)

but just because Germany gets all the moon.

In other Fox News (1)

CyberSlammer (1459173) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832079)

The manned night mission to the sun is going according to plan.

Fox News' solution is obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832125)

It's pretty clear what Fox News wants us to do: Invade Germany, and liberate its sunlight.

Recalibration required (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832145)

Dammit, I'm going to have to re-calibrate my tard-o-meter.

Re:Recalibration required (1)

fredrated (639554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832205)

Problem is, I seem to recall that the tard-o-meter can't be set that low.

Re:Recalibration required (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832229)

It's one of those things like negative temperature - you more or less have to trick it to get it into that state.

Re:Recalibration required (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832239)

Look on the back. There is a switch that sets the scale for use with Murdoch related stuff.

Summary is also wrong (2, Insightful)

thomas089 (759773) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832167)

Germany receives a bit more sunlight than Alaska, since slate.com was comparing apples and oranges.

Here is a really good explanation of US vs German solar energy:
http://www.joewein.net/blog/2011/09/09/solar-energy-usa-vs-germany/ [joewein.net]

Quote:
"Germany’s annual exposure to the sun is actually not too different from the US east of the Mississippi, except for the Southern sunbelt from Texas to Florida, which does get more sun."

Installation Cost (5, Informative)

sulimma (796805) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832179)

According to a recent study by LBNL the soft cost associated with installing the panels are more than three times as high in the US compared to Germany.

http://emp.lbl.gov/sites/all/files/german-us-pv-price-ppt.pdf [lbl.gov]
Page 26: Costs that are not module costs. 4.46$/W in the US compared to 1.18$/W in Germany.

Higher cost results in lower volume.

News shows are just like wrestling shows (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42832187)

I remember back in the day, my grandma would smack you upside the head if you even suggested pro wrestling wasn't real. We knew it wasn't real, and I'm sure she knew it wasn't real, but saying that breaks the magic of pro wrestling.

Fox News isn't real. We know it isn't real, but our grandma might smack us upside the head for saying that.

Maybe in the next decade or so, Fox News will admit it's actually entertainment, instead of the serious news show they promote.

Ja, aber... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832197)

...es ist die falsche Sorte Sonne.

More Sun??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42832209)

I thought Sun has been bought by Oracle, a US company???

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