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The Return of CISPA

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the second-verse-same-as-the-first dept.

The Internet 97

Presto Vivace sends this news from the Hill: "House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) and ranking member Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) said Friday that they plan to re-introduce the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) next week during a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The bill is aimed at improving information-sharing about cyber threats between government and industry so cyberattacks can be thwarted in real time. ... It would also encourage companies to share anonymous cyber-threat information with one another, and provide liability protection for businesses so they don't get hit with legal action for sharing data about cyber threats. " You may recall CISPA from last year, when it was hailed as being even worse than SOPA, the Stop Online Piracy Act. We discussed why it was a bad bill back then; the new version is reportedly identical, so all of the same reasons will apply. The bill stalled last year against White House plans to veto it. Congressman Rogers said this about privacy fears: "We're talking about exchanging packets of information, zeroes and ones, if you will, one hundred millions times a second. So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that." Don't worry folks; it's just zeroes and ones.

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Ca-ching! (4, Insightful)

Andrio (2580551) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837477)

Hey Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger, can I borrow a few bucks? Come on, I know you've 'run in' to some money recently! ;)

Re:Ca-ching! (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837607)

This also explains the recent wave of 'cyber-war' fear-mongering that's been going on.

Re:Ca-ching! (1)

halltk1983 (855209) | about a year and a half ago | (#42843101)

They shouldn't have a problem with the social security numbers, addresses, phone numbers, dates of birth and all the same for all their family members to be published on the internet. After all, they're only shared as 0's and 1's so it's not like it would affect their privacy.

Re:Ca-ching! (2)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837753)

Hey Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger, can I borrow a few bucks? Come on, I know you've 'run in' to some money recently! ;)

...and hey; it's just 0's and 1's, right? I could use a few more 0's and 1's in my bank account too....

Re:Ca-ching! (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42841817)

Dibs on the 1's

I need them to support the strippers in my neighbourhood. Think of their children.

And not that way, you pervert.

Re:Ca-ching! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838177)

Hey Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger, can I borrow a few bucks? Come on, I know you've 'run in' to some money recently! ;)

After all, it's just ones and zeroes.

Re:Ca-ching! (1)

tippe (1136385) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838275)

I'm sure he won't mind, as it's just ink on paper, right? Just ink on paper.

Ones and zeroes everywhere! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837479)

And I think I saw a two...

Re:Ones and zeroes everywhere! (3, Funny)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837489)

It's okay, AC; there's no such thing as two.

Re:Ones and zeroes everywhere! (0)

chronokitsune3233 (2170390) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837533)

You're mistaken. That was a -1 from the world of Balanced Ternary who was lost in your own world.

Re:Ones and zeroes everywhere! (1)

Skowronek (795408) | about a year and a half ago | (#42842659)

Probably escaped from a multiplier Booth.

zeros and ones (5, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837483)

"it's just zeroes and ones"

okay, so if I start downloading MP3 and video files, the RIAA and MPAA will not object, because it's just zeroes and ones, right?

Re:zeros and ones (1)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837515)

"We're talking about exchanging packets of information, zeroes and ones, if you will, one hundred millions times a second," he said. "So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that."
As long as we are just exchanging those zeros and ones, and no one accidentally reads one.

Re:zeros and ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838451)

We promise we won't read any of the ones. We'll replace all the ones with spaces and just read the zeros and spaces.

-The Government.

Re:zeros and ones (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837563)

"it's just zeroes and ones"

If that's all it is, then why is he so concerned about these zeros and ones that he was convinced to submit this bill in the first place?

Re:zeros and ones (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837669)

Because the zeroes and ones that convinced him were preceded by a dollar sign.

Re:zeros and ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42839427)

That would be for every interesting ones and zeros there was the 100100 prefix.

Re:zeros and ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42839059)

Because someone has to make sure those ones and zeros don't clog the series of tubes.

Re:zeros and ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838625)

The internet isn't like a pick-up truck fool, you start downloading such huge amounts of zero and ones and the next time someone sends me an internet it might take 3 days to get here.

Re:zeros and ones (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838627)

So if I can video tape the Congressman 24/7, he won't object, because once I make it digital, it's just zeroes and ones, right?

Re:zeros and ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42841825)

You know a 0 when he understands the difference between the 0's an 1's.

Re:zeros and ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42841901)

Amen. This one [slashdot.org] too is just zeros and ones.

Can we have "liability protection" for Guccifer and the likes, pretty please?

(Captcha was "reelects". C'mon, that's downright scary)

0s and 1s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837491)

If its just 0s and 1s, then what's wrong with downloading masses of copyrighted material or academic journals (aaron swartz)? Just 0s and 1s...
What's wrong with breaking into networks and sniffing all the traffic? Just 0s and 1's right...
Whats wrong with transmitting malicious software, or tampering with data in a banking system, or using someone else's credentials to make online payments?? Just 0s and 1s....
I'm beginning to like this precedent.

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837503)

Does he really think that alphabet soup zeros and ones are somehow going down the ethernet cable, over the fucking telephone poles, routed through a series of tubes?

Billions of zeros and ones per second (4, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837523)

If the government isn't going to be reading them, then I assume we can cease construction of the huge new NSA data center in Utah [wired.com] ?

Cost per/Legislation (4, Interesting)

MyNameIsJohn (2637265) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837543)

Just for future reference... is there somewhere to get a price list on each piece of legislation. Just so we know how much they are spending every time we shoot something down (or forget to and it gets through)...

In Canada here they do the same thing so it would really be nice to have this posted. Like a pricing spreadsheet, making sure it lists the price of each elected (and non-elected) publish official, and the legal processes.

Just for reference...

Re:Cost per/Legislation (1)

do0b (1617057) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837683)

In Canada here they do the same thing so it would really be nice to have this posted.

We do this in Canada?
Please, show me!

Re:Cost per/Legislation (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838541)

I think he meant they do the same "if at first you don't succeed, change the name and try try again".

Re:Cost per/Legislation (2)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838959)

Just for future reference... is there somewhere to get a price list on each piece of legislation. Just so we know how much they are spending every time we shoot something down (or forget to and it gets through)...

All laws should require re-confirming every 4 years or so. Once something gets on the books it is impossible to get rid of it

Automatically expiring laws would be worth somewhat less lobbying money than what they are worth now.

Re:Cost per/Legislation (1)

Green Salad (705185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42840175)

I'm not sure, but I *think* some states (such as Alaska) already do this as standard practice. (Self-expiring legislation that requires votes to extend)

Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (5, Insightful)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837557)

These bills are just going to keep coming back. We need to organize, and here are a few places to start:

1. Track politicians. Get a sense of who, over time, is authoring, signing on, voting for, or otherwise supporting these bills. Companies develop advanced analytics by tracking consumer behavior, let's do the same by tracking politician behavior.
2. Let's barge into the money game. By identifying and publicly shaming/boycotting involved companies (with a focus on attacking their brand), and raising money to support politicians who reliably stand against these kids of bills.
3. Continuing to raise awareness. Internet outrage sparked the death of SOPA. We can keep doing it over and over. We can also start supporting primary opponents and general election opponents against politicians we've tracked and verified push these bills.

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837751)

Excellent start. Thank you.

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837825)

1. Track politicians. Get a sense of who, over time, is authoring, signing on, voting for, or otherwise supporting these bills. Companies develop advanced analytics by tracking consumer behavior, let's do the same by tracking politician behavior.

Is there any easily, public accessible govt system that provides bills, and the names of the politicians authoring them? Same or different system showing those that voted for/against said bills?

That would be the best place to start data mining this stuff.....

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (2)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838101)

thomas.loc.gov.

or just google thomas.gov, if you can't remember the "loc" (Library of Congress, in this case).

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (1)

WrecklessSandwich (1000139) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838103)

That's all public record for actual votes. Authoring might not be as neatly documented but the info definitely exists.

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42840305)

govtrack.us

opencongress.org

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838421)

and raising money to support politicians who reliably stand against these kids of bills.

What exactly did Chelsea do to you to warrant this kind of animosity?

Captcha : orphan

No I am not making this up.

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838913)

Come to Europe and address the issue there. Then the US would follow. Most US corporations have understood this, and despite their massive investments they are no match against organised European digital groups like EDRI, FFII, APRIL, ORG, EFFI.

Re:Tracking, Money, and Fighting Back (2)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839011)

1. Track politicians. Get a sense of who, over time, is authoring, signing on, voting for, or otherwise supporting these bills.

Not enough of those politicians face viable competition.
You can shame them all you want, but if due to the masterful feat of gerrymandering they have a reliable 70%+ base in their district, there is nothing you can do to depose them.

Dear Congresscritter Rogers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837589)

0100011001110101011000110110101100100000011110010110111101110101

Sincerely,

AC

Re:Dear Congresscritter Rogers (0)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837627)

Fuck you too, buddy. Now make me a sandwich

Re:Dear Congresscritter Rogers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837721)

FTFY

sudo Now make me a sandwich

Re:Dear Congresscritter Rogers (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838477)

Anonymous Coward is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

Re:Dear Congresscritter Rogers (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839393)

Heh. Xkcd.

Re:Dear Congresscritter Rogers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42839703)

sudo !!

All According to Keikaku (1)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837645)

Right, so now that Aaron Swartz is out of the picture they think they can just waltz in and throw this crap around?

The MPAA/RIAA should be forced to pay a fine for wasting so much of our taxpayer money on this shit.

Re:All According to Keikaku (1)

CreatureComfort (741652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838185)

I'm POSITIVE they think of the payoffs to the congress critters as "fines" already.

I used to say that congressmen get more expensive every year, but I'm starting to think this bunch are running bargain basement sales in an effort to capture more of the customers.

I wish that Congresscritters... (4, Insightful)

rnturn (11092) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837649)

...or their staffs knew half as much about technology as the average teenager.

Whoever wrote the bill knows exactly what the intent of all this monitoring and exchange of data is for. And those people did another masterful job of training these elected buffoons to spout crap like "it's only ones and zeros" to divert attention from that intent.

Maybe someone should ask Rogers exactly what an alphabetic character looks like when it is transmitted across the internet. (My guess is that he doesn't care unless he's getting a campaign contribution as a reward for knowing that.)

Re:I wish that Congresscritters... (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837733)

...or their staffs knew half as much about technology as the average teenager.

Whoever wrote the bill knows exactly what the intent of all this monitoring and exchange of data is for. And those people did another masterful job of training these elected buffoons to spout crap like "it's only ones and zeros" to divert attention from that intent.

Maybe someone should ask Rogers exactly what an alphabetic character looks like when it is transmitted across the internet. (My guess is that he doesn't care unless he's getting a campaign contribution as a reward for knowing that.)

Indeed, and wasting the time of those who do know and understand the ramifications. It seems we need a 'Anti-Stupid legislation Organisation' that monitors for this and responds accordingly.

Re:I wish that Congresscritters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838031)

I dont think we could build a big enough 'anit-stupid legislation organization' to stop all the trash coming out of Washington, its just a flood of stupidity.

Re:I wish that Congresscritters... (4, Insightful)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837789)

Whoever wrote the bill knows exactly what the intent of all this monitoring and exchange of data is for.

Congress doesn't write the laws they actually pass, they may change the wording or an ammendment but by and large they come from staff or from lobbyists. In the case of CISPA I would have to think that some federal agency decided to push it forward, possibly the NSA? Anyway, I'd really be interested in understanding who actually wrote vs. sponsored this piece of crap.

Re:I wish that Congresscritters... (2)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837865)

...or their staffs knew half as much about technology as the average teenager.

In general, laws and politics are around 20 years behind technology. So don't hold your breath, just wait until you or I hit 60 and we'll be wondering what these young whipersnappers are whining about over people wanting to control their wetware.

Re:I wish that Congresscritters... (4, Insightful)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838801)

...or their staffs knew half as much about technology as the average teenager.

Whoever wrote the bill knows exactly what the intent of all this monitoring and exchange of data is for. And those people did another masterful job of training these elected buffoons to spout crap like "it's only ones and zeros" to divert attention from that intent.

Maybe someone should ask Rogers exactly what an alphabetic character looks like when it is transmitted across the internet. (My guess is that he doesn't care unless he's getting a campaign contribution as a reward for knowing that.)

Or, we can ask Rogers where he stands on the Abortion debate. After all, all lifeforms are just made up of electrons, protons and neutrons.

Draw parallels between this debate and something there'd be a political mess about if he made the same arguments, and you'll see things change quickly.

Re:I wish that Congresscritters... (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839525)

...or their staffs knew half as much about technology as the average teenager.

Then they wouldn't even be able to access their Facebook accounts. Most teenagers hardly seem to be computer literate (not to any degree I'd consider impressive, anyway). They're likely better than these congressman, but not by much.

Whew (1)

clutch110 (528473) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837665)

That is only 20% of the single digit numbers, 3 through 9 have escaped this time!

Re:Whew (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838391)

So two really doesn't exist!

Indegogo/Kickstarter to buy back our government (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837689)

How about we put together an Indegogo or Kickstarter campaign to buy back our government from Hollywood...
I can see the perks now ... own your own senator...

Re:Indegogo/Kickstarter to buy back our government (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838609)

Such donation campaign already exists - it's called TAX. The problem is, it's a scam - no matter how much you donate, all you get as a reward is a promise of more rewards...

Sound waves (1)

hyperquantization (804651) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837719)

Just to add to the endless litany of "...zeroes and ones..." comments:

"We're talking about [exchanging oscillations through the air], if you will, [continuously]. So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that."

So, we should be able to ask Rogers to read off his medical history to a full audience and not expect him to care, right?

'The Internet is just a series of tubes.' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837739)

These clowns are just as clueless about the 'net as Ted Stevens was.

Bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837743)

So they have been told three times now how much literally every last citizen does NOT want this.
Yet they keep thinking they can and should try again.

Are these congress assholes so fucking stupid as to think destroying "rule of law" is a good idea???
Don't they realize that the rule of law is the ONLY thing keeping them from being murdered and tortured, and their homes and families not being set ablaze?!?

If they don't want laws to mean anything at all, then us 99.99% will simply ignore ALL the rest of the laws. Fuck it. We are done.

Serious Question Time (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837747)

Do these politicians understand what they are doing?

I mean, really understand, like appreciate some of the implications of what they are proposing?

Or is this something that their corporate backers want, that would be a good career move if these politicians got it through? It just sounds good, who doesn't want to protect America from cyber threats, what are you some kind of terrorist or something?

These are serious questions. Does anyone know the answers?

Re:Serious Question Time (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837925)

Do these politicians understand what they are doing?

They understand that passing laws will bring in campaign contributions, and that money will get them re-elected.

Let's meet them half way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837827)

Lets meet them half way... they can have all the zeroes.

Re:Let's meet them half way (1)

dnahelicase (1594971) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837911)

Lets meet them half way... they can have all the zeroes.

That's pretty much what Congress is made up of now.

I don't know why everyone is being so hard on them. They've been pretty bored lately, with all the healthcare, debt ceiling, spending, and military issues all being recently solved.

This guy is a resume padder (5, Informative)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837919)

http://mikerogers.house.gov/legislation/sponsoredbills.htm [house.gov]

The only thing this guy has sponsored and has become law are re authorization of the Patriot Act and two Funding actions for National Intelligence.

1. H.R.67 : To extend expiring provisions of the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 until February 29, 2012.
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 1/5/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Judiciary; House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
Latest Major Action: 1/24/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
Note: For further action, see H.R.514 , which became Public Law 112-3 on 2/25/2011.

3. H.R.754 : Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 2/17/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
House Reports: 112-72
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 112-18 [GPO: Text, PDF]

7. H.R.1892 : Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
Sponsor: Rep Rogers, Mike J. [MI-8] (introduced 5/13/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
House Reports: 112-197
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 112-87 [GPO: Text, PDF]

This guy is in bed with the NSA and the CIA, that's where the legislation came from. He thinks that spying on Americans is the best way to protect us from all those folks in the Middle East and China. I think he's a cross between J. Edgar Hoover and Jack Valenti. Also don't forget who's in charge of the MPAA now, good old Chris Dodd [mpaa.org] . The stench is all around on this one folks.

Return? Act surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42837923)

People like this will always continue to beat on it until it goes thru. Its why freedom must be earned, every day. The first second you let your guard down, its gone.

Oh, and any compromise with them is a scam, they just use it against you and advance towards their goal. Then come back again and 'compromise' again, further in their direction until they win.

It's just ones and zeros eh? (3, Interesting)

monkeykoder (1820796) | about a year and a half ago | (#42837945)

So who is registering "itsjustonesandzeros.com" so we can replace wikileaks with it? I mean it's just ones and zeros...

Re:It's just ones and zeros eh? (1)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | about a year and a half ago | (#42907163)

I have and I am :)

Re:It's just ones and zeros eh? (1)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | about a year and a half ago | (#42907215)

I also registered itsjustzeroesandones.com
from what he actually said...dumbass

Laugh (1)

koan (80826) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838131)

"and provide liability protection for businesses so they don't get hit with legal action for sharing data about cyber threats. "

You mean prevent litigation due to customer data loss.

Uh huh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838161)

Yeah, and it's just ink droplets and paper too. What a moron.

Zeroes and Ones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838245)

So if I submit a defamatory post about Congressman Rogers, encode it into "zeroes and ones" then Congressman Rogers can't sue me? Is THAT what he wants us to believe?

Somebody voted for them (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838279)

Give the people what they want, then encrypt your shit w 4096-bit keys, not enough? Double it. Modern connections can support it just fine. I honestly believe, that the politicians in washington right now don't understand the nature of the internet, not even a bit. And... this is a bad way to go about it, but does anybody else think that average people using the internet actually need a bit of help?

It's not most of the people on here that are getting their identities stolen, kids getting molested, & personal data stolen, but it would be irresponsible to turn a blind eye towards it, government intervention or not.

Re:Somebody voted for them (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838953)

Give the people what they want, then encrypt your shit w 4096-bit keys, not enough? Double it. Modern connections can support it just fine. .

Encryption doesn't matter when NSA is tapping at the unencrypted source or has access to the keys.

Re:Somebody voted for them (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839211)

Most encryption is end to end and the keys are generated on the fly based off of dynamic variables.

Re:Somebody voted for them (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | about a year and a half ago | (#42844721)

You are thinking secure protocols protecting data in transit which is an improvement. I am talking about NSA having direct access to gmail at the servers which is a far bigger problem to solve even with things like public/private keys like pgp etc. You also need to fix all the shit like Facebook where people happily publish the boring details of their life.

Re:Somebody voted for them (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42861319)

The only way to fix gmail if the NSA has root access is to stop using it. Physical access is game over.

Re:Somebody voted for them (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | about a year and a half ago | (#42868039)

Then NSA just moves on to the next huge mail provider. The key is exposing just how deep NSA has their fingers in the pie and getting a large enough public outcry.

It's not just zeroes and ones... (1)

Andre Terra (2836599) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838315)

...it's a series of tubes!

B.S. (4, Informative)

7-Vodka (195504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838425)

The bill stalled last year against White House plans to veto it.

Bull-Fucking-shit.
You might recall a bill called the NDAA of 2012. The NDAA is passed every year to authorize funding of military action and this one was a real doozy because sneaked into this one was for the first time codified law that intends to allow the government to secretly and indefinitely detain anyone [wikipedia.org] without ANY due process.

Some real fucked up communist shit, the Stazi [wikipedia.org] would be proud of.

If you were paying attention you will also remember that the White House said for months it would veto this bill because of the indefinite detention sections. In the end, obama signed this piece of filth into law on new years eve, when Americans were more than nominally uncaring, unwatching and ignorant.

Shocked? Well hold on to your panties because it also became apparent that the White House was secretly pressuring the authors of the bill to include the indefinite detention section [youtube.com] and telling them in secret that they would veto the bill if it came to them without indefinite detention or if there was clarification that excluded it's application to Americans. The exact opposite of what they were telling the public.

I warn you now. Do not put your faith in White House lies about using veto on authoritarian bills. They will sign them.

That's what I've been saying (1)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838537)

"We're talking about exchanging packets of information, zeroes and ones, if you will, one hundred millions times a second. So some notion that this is a horrible invasion of content reading is wrong. It is not even close to that."

I have been saying for years that doing things with ones and zeroes hundreds of millions of times a second is fine. Things like hacking into bank servers and changing ones and zeroes so that they think you have lots of money, and changing the ones and zeroes on your own harddrive in such a way to allow you to watch the latest movies in HD without paying for them is fine. It's just ones and zeroes.

I am pretty sure this congressman's email account password and home address are only ones and zeroes somewhere too.

Dear Anoynmous, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838559)

Please, leak every single "one and zero" attached to this idiotic, tyrannical fucktard out into the light of day, where they belong.

niGgA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838813)

In r4tio of 5 7o

This explains the gun ban (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838829)

The whole reason they're trying to ban the 2nd amendment is so they don't get shot in the face for continually trying to fuck U.S. citizens over.

its just zero's and ones.. (1)

codegen (103601) | about a year and a half ago | (#42838903)

.. but they are my zeros and ones.

Look at Dutch's district (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42838909)

So as a MD resident I clicked the link for Dutch (http://dutch.house.gov/contact.shtml) to see if he was the bozo for my area. No, but if you hit the left menu, there is a map of his district. It wraps around Baltimore, and the only real word to describe it is gerrymandering.

Nice job Dutch, I can only imagine that your mileage bill for driving around is in the millions....

I can't believe this is comming back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42839095)

So, are congressmen that dumb, or do they think the American people are that dumb? Secretly I believe both.

Did anyone... (1)

certsoft (442059) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839107)

Did anyone else read that as "The Rectum of CISPA"?

Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42839255)

"Assault weapons" are just metal and plastic, so if we're going with this way of thinking I think we're golden.

zeroes and ones (1)

Rohobian (1419397) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839625)

Download all the movies and music you want folks! After all, it's all just zeroes and ones!

They can keep doing this all day... (3, Interesting)

whois (27479) | about a year and a half ago | (#42839671)

There is no way to kill a bill with prejudice. No way to say "NO, and don't ever bring this up again!"

So the same congressman who was there last year and the year before keeps bringing up the same bill over and over again until it passes. It doesn't cost them anything to introduce a failed bit of legislation. If anything, it costs the less the second time around because they didn't have to retype it.

Everyone already acknowledges that nobody reads these things, they're hundreds of pages of nonsense most of the time, and everyone knows there is some pork thrown in there somewhere to fund someones pet project, since that's the only way they'll vote for it.

Eventually, the public gets tired of standing up for their rights and just goes home. They'll wear down the protestors enough to the point where they won't notice or care that it's been backdoored into the "stop children's recitals act" of 2014.

Re:They can keep doing this all day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42876355)

Actually there is! A constitutional amendment!

Sounds like Megyn Kelly... (1)

xanadu113 (657977) | about a year and a half ago | (#42843763)

Sounds like Megyn Kelly... "It's a food product, essentially" in reference to the U.C. Davis protesters being pepper sprayed...

Pretty good time, isn't it ? (1)

boorack (1345877) | about a year and a half ago | (#42848103)

They've recently killed most important activist standing in the way of pushing this down the citizenry's throat. By killing Shwartz they've made an example for anyone wishing to oppose and now they're trying again again to get it through. This tells me a lot about US political class. Mentally they seem to be the same kind of crap you normally see in all those petty dicatorships around the world (most installed by the USofA, BTW). I'd urge you to protest this as strongly as you can right from the beginning. Otherwise with CISPA pushed through the Senate and NDAA pushed through courts US will be officially a military dictatorship.

QotD, QFT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42848177)

"Say yur prayers, yuh flea-pickin' varmint!" -- Yosemite Sam

I fear the angry, short, red-headed cowboy is right this time. Hoping Bugs Bunny can save the day!

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