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Surface Pro Sold Out; Was It Just Understocked?

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the ladies-and-gentleman-just-a-few-left dept.

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TechCrunch is one of the many outlets to report that Microsoft's Surface Pro tablet computer sold out on its first day of wide availability. Business Insider points to Reddit threads complaining that "selling out" was largely a product of not having all that many in stock to begin with, in some cases not even enough to cover pre-ordered devices.

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Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (4, Interesting)

hsmith (818216) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853861)

I think the Surface is a terrible device, but It will be interesting to see reaction to this vs reaction to the Nexus ordering issues.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (1, Interesting)

OpenSourced (323149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853935)

And Nexus 10 too. How long is it to be "Temporarily" out of stock? I guess until there are better options on the market and nobody is interested anymore. It seems like a curious marketing system, but hey! I'm no MBA.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854055)

You mean that Nexus 10 which is shown as "In Stock" at Google's Shop?

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (5, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854091)

You know, it's silly to even have this type of "story" at Slashdot since it is a TROLL to began with. It does not matter what happens with Surface, since it's a Microsoft product, good bad or great, it will not get an unbiased review here.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854173)

You know, it's silly to even have this type of "story" at Slashdot since it is a TROLL to began with. It does not matter what happens with Surface, since it's a Microsoft product, good bad or great, it will not get an unbiased review here.

Exactly so. Much hated and despised and derided here on slashdot. Yes its heavy, thicker, and has a shorter battery life and costs more.
So what? It still meshes perfectly with your existing software.

Surface Pro will sell, because most businesses can simply write it off of their taxes, an put it immediately to use without having to first rewrite all of their corporate apps to run on IOS or Android, or Surface RT.

With Surface PRO, you install your existing apps and go. Its that easy, and all of a sudden the shop floor has inventory management (or whatever) without having to leave workstations all over the place.

I actually expect it to outsell Surface RT, because even though those apps written in C++ can (allegedly) be cross compiled for RT, not every company has access to the source of the commercial products they use, and not every company wants to jump through Microsoft's hoops to get their software released for RT.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854225)

I actually expect it to outsell Surface RT

That's really all there is to know. It'll outsell the RT, won't touch the iPad. Competition in the android space is between Amazon and Google. And yes, the summary is a dumb troll. The frequent 'microsoft [product] is like getting AIDS!' posts are boring. Even insulting to our own intelligence, at this point.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854541)

So how many Surface Pro's is Microsoft going to sell this year?

My prediction is 2.5 million, with a 15% return rate

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854283)

Why not setup your own Slashdot style site praising Microsoft & proprietary software whilst admonishing open source and Linux? You can simply re-mortgage your house to get the necessary funding, because I really don't see any way in which an idea like that could possibly fail. Unless you turn out to be just a whiny bitch, so lacking in motivation that you'll spend years posting on a site whose views you fundamentally disagree with. I guess that could be an issue.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (-1, Flamebait)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854559)

Why not stop masturbating to Slashdot stories?

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854679)

How about you suck my dick.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854731)

Well you certainly seem interested in making sure Microsoft's image is positively spun online. So, can you tell us about any vested interests in Microsoft's success that you aren't disclosing in those posts? Or maybe you're a bona fide lunatic who is truly upset that poor Microsoft isn't getting a fair shake, in which case I'm truly sorry for your lots.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (0)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854073)

I'm not sure about the Nexus 10, but remember the MS Kin? I suspect they destroyed more of them than they sold as they only sold a total of just over 500. And it's difficult to produce things in runs of under 10 grand without having them be extremely expensive.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (2)

damnbunni (1215350) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854617)

The worst part about the Kin is that it destroyed the Danger team responsible for the Hiptop.

No, my Sidekick/Hiptop phones never did as much as my Android phones, but what they did, they did far better.

(Seriously, ConnectBot has fewer features than Terminal Monkey on my Sidekick or even the telnet client on my Apple Newton. And it crashes a lot in Jelly Bean.)

I wish someone had managed to bootleg a Sidekick server somehow.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (5, Informative)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854721)

BTW: Andy Rubin was responsible for Danger and Hiptop, and sold it to Microsoft for one billion dollars. Microsoft turned it into the KIN. He was also responsible for Android and sold it to Google for fifty million dollars. He stayed at Google and together they turned it into, well, Android. Isn't that ironic?

Isn't this the same for everything apple? (2, Interesting)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854135)

I'm pretty sure this happens at every apple release. They run out of stock, and it's a huge success. I suppose the definition of success and understock (and all things related) is quite variable.

I can't help wonder if microsoft just judged the market acceptance of the product just right and was ... expecting this sort of statement, controversy and ... free advertising (I'm such a cynic).

Re:Isn't this the same for everything apple? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854263)

This happens at every release. Period. Apple just gets better, spinnier press coverage.

Re:Isn't this the same for everything apple? (5, Insightful)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854347)

Yeah, but Apple runs out of stock when it sells fifty million things in the first 48 hours after launch. Microsoft announcing "SOLD OUT" because it only sent one single unit to the retailer is a little bit different.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854267)

The Nexus 4 was a pain in the butt to get... at least for me it was. But it was largely due to jack-holes like one of my co-workers who bought multiples so that he could sell them at a premium price. I missed the first round due to other money priorities but the second round I was more prepared for. Even so, Google was having all sorts of trouble but they got it worked out after a few hours of online hell.

Did they sell out because of small numbers? If that were so, I probably wouldn't have gotten one in the second wave. The first wave, I can't speak of -- I wasn't watching.

I think the numbers themselves need to speak rather than a lot of speculation. If the summary is correct, that many selling locations didn't even have enough to satisfy the pre-orders, then you know they simply didn't offer enough. "Sold out in mere seconds!!! OMG! We're popular and desireable!!! Everyone!! You want one of these!!!" Some people will fall for that... a lot of people will. And let's be honest here. Some people will want a Windows device over Android or iPad tablets because they expect certain things... and they will get them... mostly. I'm more interested in what those customers think AFTER they have their thing.

And as far as Google's Nexus 4? Well... I think they are intentionally scarce for some reasons. Google wants to stir up interest in Android devices, not lead the market. They don't actually want a Nexus 4 in every hand. It could be said that Microsoft is no different in that respect. They aren't in the device making and selling business... well, except for keyboards, mice and XBoxes. I think they are more interested in having the world standing in line for days to get any Windows8 machine.

Re:Is the same true for the Nexus 4? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854323)

"The Nexus 4 was a pain in the butt to get... at least for me it was."

Everyone else just put theirs in their pockets. You should try that next time.

Microscum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42853871)

What have you done lately.

Surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42853903)

After the abject failure that was the Windows RT Surface, any real interest outside of the nerd community probably fell off of a cliff.

Re:Surprised? (1, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854201)

After the abject failure that was the Windows RT Surface, any real interest outside of the nerd community probably fell off of a cliff.

The interest in Surface PRO is NOT in the nerd community.

Its in the business community that can immediately use PRO without waiting for an RT version of the software they use every day to come out.

Re:Surprised? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854375)

The interest in Surface PRO is NOT in the nerd community.

Its in the business community that can immediately use PRO without waiting for an RT version of the software they use every day to come out.

And, other than the marketing droids who must have The New Shiny, why would they do that when they can buy a laptop for much less?

Re:Surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854663)

Because laptops are so last decade. Get with the program!

Re:Surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854709)

I bought an iPad when they came out because it was better than the Acer One NETbook I had for the tasks I needed a portable device for. The surface pro isn't BETTER at any of its roles. It's battery life is to short and its too hot and heavy to be a tablet, and its not powerful enough to topple any of the ultra books in its price range. It costs more than a MacBook Air once you add the keyboard cover on, but I can buy an air now, and its not out of stock, and the battery will still last 6 hrs or more, and I'll be able to sell it in a year for 80%of the purchase price.

Sold out fast == Understocked? (5, Insightful)

kh31d4r (2591021) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853907)

Isn't that the definition?

Re:Sold out fast == Understocked? (5, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854001)

The question is whether or not it's a marketing strategy. Was someone at Microsoft wise enough to say "Hey, Apple and Nintendo made headlines by limiting supply..."?

Re:Sold out fast == Understocked? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854215)

Pssst, this is Slashdot, you can't write any logic, common sense posts here. Remember the unwritten commandments of Slashdot "Thou shalt not post anything negative against the herd favorite of the day (Nintendo, Google, and maybe Apple.)" and "Thou shalt not post anything positive about the herd foe of the day. (M$, $ony-1 and ubuntu-1)".

Hypocrisy is a huge sin, that is unless the user is for the herd "favorite of the day" and against the herd "foe of the day." In order to retain your high karma you must go with the herd mentality rather than against. What makes "favorite of the day" good is what makes "foe of the day" evil.

1-The former herd favorite of the day

Re:Sold out fast == Understocked? (1)

Spottywot (1910658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854303)

The question is whether or not it's a marketing strategy. Was someone at Microsoft wise enough to say "Hey, Apple and Nintendo made headlines by limiting supply..."?

Or maybe Oprah bought some for her friends?

Yep (5, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854547)

Some things sell out because they just can't make enough. The company has made as many as it can and put them all out to retail, and they all sell. However other things sell out because the company deliberately limits production/distribution to make them scarce.

I can work too. People seem to have an irrational need to own things if they are told they can't have it. So paradoxically it can work to increase sales in the long run. People are told "you can't have this" and that makes them want it, even though they didn't before.

Look at the massive run on firearms/magazines what with the proposal for new gun legislation. These people were perfectly happy with what they had prior to this, but suddenly they get told "you can't have this" and they want to rush out and buy it.

Re:Yep (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854735)

turn it around: MS didn't have enough made since, I'm thinking they didn't believe in the concept enough to invest in a bigger manuf run.

they COULD have made any amount they wanted. consumer electronics are not hard to get made and when you are MS, you can name your partner (or partners) and demand anything you want.

this is 100% intentional. they didn't make enough since they wanted to test the waters, first. and also 'impress' people with fake under-supplies.

Re:Sold out fast == Understocked? (5, Insightful)

transporter_ii (986545) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854583)

Market strategy isn't working well for MS. In what I'm reading, Surface RT did 750,000 to maybe a million in 3 months. Asus is pushing a million a month for the Nexus 7. Rumor has it that the Surface RT had a very high return rate, as well.

A separate report from IDC on the entire tablet industry in the last quarter doesn't even show Microsoft in the top five in the list of companies that had the most shipments of tablets. The report claims that Microsoft shipped "just shy of 900,000 units into the channel." Apple had the most tablet shipments for the quarter at 22.9 million units, followed by Samsung with 7.9 million units and Amazon with 6 million tablets.

Amazon is beating out Microsoft? I bought a Nexus 7 and I can't really recall seeing much advertising for it at all. I'm seeing MS advertising left and right.

Re:Sold out fast == Understocked? (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854021)

But if, for example, you only started out with 10 that's not a great accomplishment.

O RLY? (3, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853919)

Am I the only one here who's first thought was: "Well, if that's their story, they better stick to it..." ?

Geeks, get to work. (5, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853925)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out. I'd even settle for Windows 7. Just... not the Windows 8 abomination. Anything but that.

If it weren't for the price, I rather like the idea of an x86 high-spec tablet. The android offerings have to make a lot of compromises to keep weight down and battery life up. The Surface pro doesn't: It's a lap-burning battery-sucking brick with processing power to rival a laptop. That's the type of tablet I want.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (5, Insightful)

ACluk90 (2618091) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853967)

Windows 8 is actually great for tablets. Have you tried it? And I seriously do not get why you hate the device's performance - get the RT version if you want long battery life and low specs. Or just any other table.

Of course I would still like to see linux running on it.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854123)

Yep, you hit the nail on the head.

If you want a tablet, get an Android or Apple tablet.

If you want a laptop, just buy a real laptop and not the Surface POS.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854473)

I had to double check and make sure you didn't have an 8 digit ID.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854637)

Windows 8 is actually great for tablets. Have you tried it? And I seriously do not get why you hate the device's performance - get the RT version if you want long battery life and low specs. Or just any other table.

Of course I would still like to see linux running on it.

Lifelong Apple user and yes, I agree. Tried Window 8 on a touch screen equipped 12" laptop. It's actually quite nice although I can see how somebody who is married to the mouse and the old start button would not like it any more than an entrenched Gnome 2 user liked the switch to Gnome 3. I didn't mind so much, Apple regularly shakes up their UI and I've gotten used to things changing. I like the sliding tiles concept of Windows 8 but I have to say prefer the Gnome 3 idea of pressing a button, getting an overlay and then using search to access stuff and the way you can use modifier key+arrow key to tile the windows on screen. It does a good job of minimising the number of times my fingers have to leave the keyboard.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854765)

A table really is low spec!

Re:Geeks, get to work. (5, Insightful)

Secret Agent Man (915574) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853973)

So you'd settle for Windows 6.1 over Windows 6.2?

I know people hate Metro on their desktops, but is there a reason it's so despised on what is its intended device use: a touch screen device?

Outside of Metro, what's different between 8 and 7 (especially in tablet form)?

Re:Geeks, get to work. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854395)

"I know people hate Metro on their desktops, but is there a reason it's so despised on what is its intended device use: a touch screen device?"

How about - Its the most butt ugly GUI inflicted upon users in years ... I think a 5 year old could have designed a better "touch" interface.
 

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854459)

Its as simple as, i dont like it being foisted upon me. The Apple Mac store is an unobtrusive part of my mac. The Microsoft store is front and center and forced. If Metro existed without being forced to be used, it would have much less hate directed towards it. We all see it for the trojan horse it is.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (2, Informative)

Secret Agent Man (915574) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854643)

Number of programs/apps I can run on a Surface Pro outside of the official app store: Lots (i.e. however many Windows 7 can.

Number of programs/apps I can run on an iDevice outside of the official app store: 0

You're not obligated to use the app store at all, and you're not obligated to use the Metro interface any more time than you spend in a start menu.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (0)

maztuhblastah (745586) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854491)

Outside of Metro, what's different between 8 and 7 (especially in tablet form)?

Providing support for a walled garden design which restricts developers who don't play the "app store" game.

Just zealotry (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854573)

A lot of people on Slashdot decided Windows 8 was supposed to be bad. So now it is to them, regardless of any facts. They haven't actually used it to any significant degree, if at all, they just hate on it because they think they are supposed to hate it.

You'll see the FUD crew out in full force about it. My favourite is that it is a "walled garden" and you can only run apps from the MS store. That is, of course, completely false. It runs anything Windows 7 ran. However the point isn't to spread information, but FUD to try and scare people away from using it.

I'm certainly not a fan, since I think the look is a step backwards and Metro is retarded for the start menu, but I don't hate it. Get a start menu replacer and it works quite well.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1, Interesting)

Howitzer86 (964585) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854727)

Honestly Windows 8 is perfect for the new x86/64 tablets. Be it from Acer, Asus, Lenovo, Samsung, or Microsoft. I had high hopes to begin with, though the reviews kinda brought that down a bit and made me afraid that I'd regret getting it.

Since buying the Pro yesterday I have been really impressed with it. Windows 8 actually makes sense now. If you buy it, you may discover that the metro version of Internet Explorer 10 is the one you prefer using with it. You may discover a strange new desire for tablet apps to run on this "PC". You may realize that the market really is wide open for developers, and that this kind of tablet is about to become really popular.

You may also realize that while the pressure sensitive Wacom pen is cool and great for writing or drawing (try out that handwriting recognition!), it's actually really there to help you navigate the desktop. Honestly I would not consider a PC-Tablet without one of these.

In my opinion, the ARM tablets came about because it reflected what we really want, but in a package that was commercially feasible for 2008-2012. Those only completely satisfied the consumers of content. Everyone else still to buy a desktop or a laptop to produce much of anything (though there are exceptions, most people are simply out of luck or are stuck with inferior solutions). Now we're about to get what we really want, in an interface that it can really work on, with hardware that'll really handle it.

The current issue of there being a weak battery, or the weight, or the thickness is all temporary. Oh and speaking of thickness, it's exactly the same as the 2011 Asus Transformer, which was my last tablet. The issue that some reviewers have with the HD aspect ratio is really overblown too.

Now that I have this new tablet/PC hybrid, I'm selling both my Transformer and my laptop. If they make an 8 or 16gb ram version with more C-drive space and a better video chip, it may even replace my desktop. The HD4000 comes really close to my desktop's Geforce GTX460 according to my own tests and Cinebench, and the Intel i5 beats my desktop's AMD X4 by just a hair... so really that is inevitable.

Probably longer (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854017)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out.

First big hurdle - is there even a Linux that's built for touch input?

Second hurdle - all sorts of custom drivers, including I'd imagine the driver for the keyboard/trackpad cover. It's not bluetooth and I don't think it's standard USB either.

Re:Probably longer (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854081)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out.

First big hurdle - is there even a Linux that's built for touch input?

Yeah, it's called Android. You living under a rock?

Second hurdle - all sorts of custom drivers, including I'd imagine the driver for the keyboard/trackpad cover. It's not bluetooth and I don't think it's standard USB either.

Maybe you're right, but do you really think they'd reinvent all these wheels just for spite?

Several options for Touch-Linux. (1)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854153)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out.

First big hurdle - is there even a Linux that's built for touch input?

Well, besides Android (which has been mentioned), I'm pretty sure Ubuntu is prepping a phone implementation of a linux OS... and if that's not customized for touch interaction, I'll eat my socks.

Re:Several options for Touch-Linux. (2)

blauregen (2837239) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854191)

There is also plama active.

Re:Probably longer (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854655)

Unity with all its faults seem to be meant for (big fingers) touch input. But if i have to pick a environment/distribution for a touch device, probably would go for Meego/Mer, KDE Plasma Active (this with ubuntu can be installed [ruedigergad.com] in the Nexus 7, after all), or even Open WebOS. Some of them are full distibutions, others could be installed over standard distributions probably.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854027)

Its a tablet, if there is anything where windows 8 would fit at least a little bit, its on there. If only they made a windows 8 exclusively for things like the surface pro and not force it on laptops which have really no use from all the touch screen stuff.

I would love to see linux and whatever else on there as well, but lets face it, windows 8 was made for this thing, literally I would believe.

Mission Successful (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854059)

Don't buy the Surface

for the love of god, why? (2)

jfruh (300774) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854105)

It's a lap-burning battery-sucking brick with processing power to rival a laptop. That's the type of tablet I want.

You and very few other people! I mean, what's the point, exactly? Why not get a similarly light ultrabook? The whole idea of a tablet is that it's light, the batterly lasts all day, and the UI is oriented around touch. I mean, there are things about the iPad that drive me nuts (particularly file-handling, or rather the way it tries abstract away file-handling completely) but it gets all that right. Do you really want something as heavy as a laptop with a laptop-focused OS, but with no keyboard?

Re:Geeks, get to work. (4, Informative)

foobsr (693224) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854155)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out.

https://plus.google.com/106631699076927387965/posts/4fcZhWrKyg3 [google.com]

"Linux Mint on the Surface Pro. WiFi and touch don't work out of the box, but pen and Type Cover work great. "

There you are.

CC.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854425)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out.

"Linux Mint on the Surface Pro. WiFi and touch don't work out of the box, but pen and Type Cover work great. "

WiFi and touch don't work? If they get the graphics card and printer not to work, this thing will be as good as my Linux desktop!

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854509)

So I'm guessing they used the Hurd micro kernel on this thing?

Re:Geeks, get to work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854167)

Real men rip out the laptops screen, put in an Android tablet and VNC the laptop.

Although to be honest, I actually do this partially. I remote-connect to my PC from my tablet because I also use it as a graphics tablet in a sense, and in general for doing a work that generally requires a lot of clicking and dragging.
And I have the added bonus of Android tablet too. (so I can waste time on games while I waste time drawing)

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1)

kcmastrpc (2818817) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854223)

linux? i'd be more impressed to see macosx =D

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854253)

I want this thing running linux before the month is out.

Why?

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854693)

Why did man go to the moon?

Because someone said it's impossible and most of all, because it is there.

Now return your geek card, please.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854277)

It's a lap-burning battery-sucking brick with processing power to rival a laptop. That's the type of tablet I want.

So, basically, you want a shitty laptop with badly designed ventilation and a keyboard that's either crap or missing. There are plenty of old Dell machines that fit this description.

Re:Geeks, get to work. (1)

nojayuk (567177) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854433)

Win 8 Pro has Client Hyper-V and the Surface Pro hardware is theoretically capable of supporting it so you could run Linux in a VM if you want to play with it.

i would like one (1, Troll)

ACluk90 (2618091) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853929)

I would absolutely buy one if I had not recently bought a high-end notebook. In fact I am thinking about buying it anyways and selling the notebook.
  I do not think that this was intentional, this is really a great product. Maybe they were surprised themselves because the RT version did not sell all that well.

Re:i would like one (4, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854051)

I would absolutely buy one if I had not recently bought a high-end notebook. In fact I am thinking about buying it anyways and selling the notebook.

Why?

All the reviews I've seen say it's a heavy, expensive, power-hungry tablet that makes a crappy, expensive laptop.

Re:i would like one (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854295)

I would absolutely buy one if I had not recently bought a high-end notebook. In fact I am thinking about buying it anyways and selling the notebook.

Why?

All the reviews I've seen say it's a heavy, expensive, power-hungry tablet that makes a crappy, expensive laptop.

I was sort of interested/curious until I got Win8 running on bootcamp to try. It's a sad case of nice video, shame about the song.

Re:i would like one (1)

BeerCat (685972) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854511)

It's a sad case of nice video, shame about the song.

Not seen a Not the Nine O'Clock News reference for a while. Nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQamw4xxxHY [youtube.com]

Re:i would like one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854719)

I would absolutely buy one if I had not recently bought a high-end notebook. In fact I am thinking about buying it anyways and selling the notebook.

Why?

All the reviews I've seen say it's a heavy, expensive, power-hungry tablet that makes a crappy, expensive laptop.

I question the type of fucking wimps that say that ~.5lbs heavier than the god damned iPad 3 is "heavy".

STFU and do some fucking curls!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I have BOOKS that weigh more than a whopping two "heavy" pounds. /rant

Re:i would like one (1)

stonecypher (118140) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854791)

Then you should probably stop reading Apple sites for your Microsoft reviews, because you appear to not be interested in basic skepticism. There are, you know, actual numbers you can look up. It's not heavy, it's not power hungry, it's not a tablet, and it's not expensive by comparison with laptops (or even the new iPad.)

So I mean. C'mon. Stop being a blind mouthpiece.

Isn't "Sold out on the first day!" (5, Interesting)

John Hasler (414242) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853937)

a standard marketing technique? That makes it possible to be "Amazed and pleased at the huge demand that has far exceeded our expectations!"

Re:Isn't "Sold out on the first day!" (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854127)

a standard marketing technique?

No, it's an exceptional marketing technique. Microsoft were amazed by the slashdot front page which exceeded their expectations!

Re:Isn't "Sold out on the first day!" (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854175)

It is a standard technique, but a better one is to follow it up a few days later with a gigantic number of sales that validates their expectations that have been exceeded. That's the best way to proceed. In this case, however, we may not have reason to expect numbers like that.

Instead, the alternative path is that they could try pulling an Amazon/BlackBerry by saying something like, "Sales are 50% higher than expected" or wait a few weeks and then announce that "Sales have tripled in the last few weeks", without stating what their expectations or initial sales were.

In other news (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42853941)

Two of the four fans standing in line for Florida Marlins tickets [yahoo.com] were sent away after the team announced the game was sold out.

Just like the Lumia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42853961)

Just because someone isn't stocking in Apple sized proportions doesn't mean it's a failure. It's not selling out for hype, it's selling out because demand exceeded expectations. The launch is a success. The estimation was a failure. Selling out causes a lot of pain for manufacturers as it causes disinterest in channel which in turn mean businesses stop stocking your goods, and sales staff get in a habit of selling other goods. It's similar to release delays, it hurts everyone involved.

This is similar to "Nokia selling out of the Lumia 920 for hype" -- whoever thinks a loss making company would do this is ill informed (well, loss making at that point in time, they turned a profit in Q4).

The Surface RT did as well... but that mean much (4, Interesting)

supremebob (574732) | about a year and a half ago | (#42853989)

Microsoft also "sold out" of the Surface RT on launch day as well... and that thing has sold poorly after it's initial launch. They were originally expecting to sell 2 million units in Q4 2012, and they only sold about half of that.

It seems that this tactic has become a common way for Microsoft to generate some additional post launch hype for their products. I wonder how many times they can get away with it before the mainstream press catches on...

Re:The Surface RT did as well... but that mean muc (2)

jamesl (106902) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854455)

"Sold out" online only. In fact it "sold out" online weeks (from memory) before the launch date.

... and that thing has sold poorly ...
Define "poorly." Quote numbers sold and source for your data. You don't know. I don't know. Only Microsoft knows and so far, they aren't talking.

And finally ... the conjecture that MS wants to "generate some additional post launch hype" by pissing off a bunch of potential customers is just ignorant.

Look, the thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854037)

Why is that so hard to believe? the thing is really cool. I really want one. The 128GB version, i wouldn't consider the 64GB, although external storage is an option too.

In a nutshell:

Pros:
A full computer, can run any x86 app, pressure sensitive stylus, connects to external monitors, or ANY USB device or storage.

Cons:
Weight 2lbs (Is that really a con?)
Battery Life: 4.5 hours

Re:Look, the thing is... (4, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854241)

The battery life is the biggest draw back in my opinion. Not a deal breaker, but still a drawback.

For practical use in business, you have to be able to have it run all day on the shop floor, the sales floor, the offices or the patient wards.

To be fair, the run time tests were continuous operation of some fairly screen intensive applications. If it is allowed to go to sleep mode in between frequent, but not continuous use, it may be fine in the real world.

Re:Look, the thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854713)

This is true, I am also envisioning the docking of them, for changing, and use as a full workstation (external monitor, keyboard, mouse, charging, etc..)
I believe most people have trouble getting away from the 'think' of the ipad.

 

Re:Look, the thing is... (1)

shibashaba (683026) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854439)

Sounds like my 5 year old Fujitsu Lifebook. Only I can run indefinitely off of modular bay batteries.

Re:Look, the thing is... (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854711)

Don't forget that even if is sold as 128GB, only 80ishGB are available for you. Would be a good tablet with that storage (and 1/3 or 1/2 of the price) but very bad as something that you could see as your main computer. And the battery life could be good for a notebook, something meant to be used in a horizontal surface where could be easy to find something to plug it in, but for something that can be used as a tablet?

"Reddit threads" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854109)

Reporting reddit posts as news. Congrats Slashdot, you've sunk to the level of gawker.com.

Color me skeptical (5, Insightful)

wytten (163159) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854131)

All the pro-Surface stories I've seen over the last few months don't pass the sniff test.
They all give me the impression that MS marketing is pulling out all the stops for this one,
sensing serious implications if they fail.

In related news ... (1, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854165)

.. flying car dealerships are still back ordered for the foreseeable future.

Scarcity by choice is not scarcity (1, Interesting)

RubberDogBone (851604) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854203)

Microsoft has deep pockets and deep connections with numerous hardware suppliers and could have stocked tens of millions of these devices, if they'd wanted to do so. Apple often does this prior to their product launches and has provided what is effectively a blueprint on how to do these sorts of things. There is no magic to it. You spend a lot of money making devices. You spend a lot of money on air freight -although arguably Microsoft had so much lead time, regular sea shipments would have been enough, and you stage stock where it will be available for sale on launch day. It is not very hard to do.

So the fact that Microsoft did not do this means they essentially chose not to. They deliberately didn't put product in the channel. This a marketing choice, not necessarily a sign that there's huge unfulfilled demand or even moderate unfulfilled demand. If anything, it says they don't have tremendous faith in the product OR that they never intended this to be a tent-product but merely a tent-pole product designed to capture buzz that can be redirected into general interest in the platform.

These are risky choices.

I think the spec is all wrong (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854213)

I finally came to the realisation that I had a genuine use for a tablet. Reading academic papers on the train and the like. I tried to buy a Nexus 10 but it wasn't available anywhere. So I had a long hard think about it and in the end I bought an Acer W510, an x86 atom-based tablet running full-fat Windows 8.

Obviously I'm going to immediately draw all sorts of ire here on Slashdot but that can't be helped. The problem I had was that there really just wasn't much difference in price between a high-end Android tablet and something with an x86 and a proper OS with proper software. Whether that matters is down to the usage case. I wanted a tablet but one I could clip a keyboard to and do some proper work in. Office apps mostly. I also wanted proper battery life, not pretend battery life.

So far it's been pretty good! I use the weird Windows 8 Metro (or whatever it's called now) UI when I'm using it as a tablet. Mostly as a launcher but some native Win8 touch apps are handy, like document readers, Kindle, that sort of thing. The touch interface is borderline useless on the classic Windows desktop but at least there *is* a Windows desktop which is where the clip-on keyboard and Bluetooth mouse comes in. That said yesterday while lying in my hammock reading a book on it, a simple gesture swiped between the reader and full-fat Gmail running in Chrome. It's better than anything I've owned before in that respect.

Sorry for the digression but it's on that basis I can talk about the Surface Pro which I had a play with. Firstly, it's too damn heavy. It's 900g versus 550g for the W510. Secondly it's got a fan and it has crap battery life. It also costs a whole ton of money. Sexy slim ultrabook money. So the fact it's *also* a tablet is quite critical if it's pretty much inferior to cheaper ultrabooks in every way as a notebook. A high-res Windows 8 tablet that weighs too much to hold up easily? I don't really get it. On that basis I think the Pro just isn't right.

In the same way RT is just a waste of oxygen since it can only really touch W8 touchy tablet stuff and it makes Android tablet app availability look generous. If you'd wanted a proper tablet for tablet stuff only, you'd do Android or the iPad in my view. The W510 is an interesting device that fits my purposes but it seems kind of niche. I'd prefer it had a slightly higher res screen and the CPU sucked a bit less ass, but it looks like that's coming down the line.

I reckon the Surface Pro is a weird spec because Microsoft are trying to justify the whole Windows RT category as the light device. I think that's rubbish. x86 tablet/notebook hybrids look quite good to me but they do need to be good light weight tablets and that's only just on the bleeding edge right now. Looks like it'll get better still when the faster atoms come along and maybe the Windows 8 app store will start looking more interesting. It wouldn't take much to overtake Android in that respect.

Re:I think the spec is all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854379)

Good that you like your W510, but to compare that to the Surface Pro and determine that there is not a market for such a very high end product is simply ignorant. The SurfacePro has a i5 processor, its displace is exceptionally good and 1920x1080 in resolution to boot. There is pen input. Each component is of a better spec. To use the car analogy, there is a market for both a Ford Focus (W510) and a 5 series BMW (Surface Pro).

Re:I think the spec is all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854419)

It's more of a stretched Hummer limo, expensive and loaded with tons of features, but too gaudy and not very useful for its price.

Obligatory cartoon (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854221)

VG Cats #214 [vgcats.com] .

I find the whole premise laughable (1, Interesting)

caywen (942955) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854313)

Many of you accuse Microsoft of understocking, and yet when it doesn't continue to sell a whole lot of units, you laugh at their sales? Maybe they just know roughly how many they expect to sell, and stock accordingly? That it sells out on the first day seems to draw unnecessary ire. You weren't really interested in buying it anyways, so why the hell do you care so much?

Really, it's almost as if many of you gain some kind of strange exhilaration from laughing at and faux outrage at Microsoft's missteps. Really, why? The only explanation I can think if is that you WANT to see Microsoft succeed - that many of you are secret Microsoft admirers who are left disappointed and needing an outlet to vent your frustration by mocking them.

Microsoft is doing an excellent job at ensuring their own mediocre results and their own gradual downfall. It really doesn't need you to mock them on the way down. That seems to be a byproduct of your own personality flaws.
 

Re:I find the whole premise laughable (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854409)

I think I've finally figured it out. One way of getting modded up on /. is to write a long, disorganized post that seems to be both sides of the topic being discussed, so that nobody can figure out where you stand, but you sure sound passionate about it.

Re:I find the whole premise laughable (2)

oGMo (379) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854457)

Many of you accuse Microsoft of understocking, and yet when it doesn't continue to sell a whole lot of units, you laugh at their sales?

You seem to think this is some form of contradiction or hypocrisy. Yet it is not: the reason they're accused of understocking is because they're being accused of creating the illusion of demand; when they are laughed at for low sales, it is because this false demand is exposed.

Re:I find the whole premise laughable (4, Interesting)

bmo (77928) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854469)

>Maybe they just know roughly how many they expect to sell, and stock accordingly?

That just means that Microsoft doesn't believe in its own product.

If you really believe that your product will sell and people will stand in line for it, like they stood in line for Windows 95, and you've got the cash, you should at least make enough to fill the pre-orders and a couple of month's retail orders. It's not like Microsoft is hurting for cash for manufacturing and it's not like they don't have millions to throw at marketing research to find out the actual demand. There are so many things wrong with this "shortage" it doesn't pass the sniff test.

>Really, why?

Schadenfreude is fun. If you step on the backs of people with your boots on the way up, expect kicks on the way down. They deserve all the derision they get.

--
BMO

Same old, same old (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854335)

MS did the same thing with Xbox 360 launch. They had retailers make up SOLD OUT signs before they even had stock so they could ADVERTISE that they were sold out when they received a small stock.

Sold out means it was understocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854567)

I mean if the thing wasnt understocked it would have sold out. So I fail to see how printing the defintion of a word is a news story. But of course with slashdot all you have to do is say something positive about microsoft, say something about apple suing someone, mention the word linux or mention the word patent and suddenly you get a metric f*** ton of hits from retards spamming their often incorrect comments blindly.

Personally though I feel bad for anyone suckered by that product. I mean MS makes great software, the 360 is decent enough but damn those surface tablets were bloated, too thick, too heavy, the battery sucked, the OS sucked and it was basically a steaming turd in the face of like even a kindle fire hd or a google nexus.

But of course anytime anything sells out everyone automatically says "its a marketing ploy" cry cry cry bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan and drone on saying the same old zealot minded brainless shit.

Out of stock? Sounds like Sony's trick. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854605)

Not enough in stock for pre-ordering?

So MS pullled the same trick Sony does each time they come out with a new Playstation console?

Limited stock (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854607)

The stock was limited to what was shown on that spiffy commercial, which was all that were made.

MS Surface = desperation tactics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42854609)

Microsoft is struggling to remain relevant in the 21st century given that Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone 8, Windows 8, Windows RT and now Surface have been complete and utter failures. There old Windows/Office cash cow is in serious decline as nobody is buying desktops and even laptop sales are being outpaced by smartphone and tablets - a market which Microsoft has failed to make even a dent in.

I blame all these problems on the sheer incompetent management that exists in Microsoft. The CEO Ballmer is a stupid buffoon who couldn't organize a chook raffle let alone run a multi-billion dollar company.

Selling out the first day is a GOOD thing? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42854723)

To me it sounds like the company that made it not only did poor market research, they also don't seem to believe in their own product if they don't trust it to sell and hence produce only a small number of them because they themselves thought it would sit on the shelf.

Enough reason for me to steer clear of it. Or at the very least I'll watch the market for a while now and if, and only if, they sell large numbers in the foreseeable future, I could believe that they are willing to support it for a while afterwards and not simply let it "phase out".

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