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Alleged Operator of Demonoid Released From Jail

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the unfruitful-expenditures-of-effort dept.

Piracy 60

An anonymous reader writes "Last August, BitTorrent tracker Demonoid was taken down by law enforcement in the Ukraine. This followed raids in Mexico to arrest the people who ran the site. Panama is somehow involved, too. However, a recent review filed by the U.S. Trade Representative reveals that the criminal case against the main (alleged) operator of Demonoid has stalled, and the person has been released from imprisonment. 'For how long the alleged Demonoid operator was imprisoned is not mentioned. However, the criminal case is ongoing according to the copyright holders, who further mention that it's now proceeding in Ukraine. Demonoid, meanwhile, has moved to Hong Kong where it found a new hosting company and a new .HK domain name. Whether the BitTorrent tracker will ever return to its full glory has yet to be seen.'"

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It's just "Ukraine" (2, Insightful)

Bobb Sledd (307434) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874409)

It's just "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine." (Perhaps you're thinking of "the U.K.")

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874479)

Not as simple as that. If you prefer the traditional name you'll be using The Ukraine.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

Jhon (241832) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874485)

Articles are not used in (current or former) Soviet Russia.

- Jhon, from The Los Angeles, The California, The U.S. (Hey, that one works!)

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1, Redundant)

vux984 (928602) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874783)

- Jhon, from The Los Angeles, The California, The U.S.

Jhon, from the city of angels, the state of california, the united states of america

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881365)

Articles are not used in (current or former) Soviet Russia.

While true, that is irrelevant. We're talking about English usage. A Russian would say (in Russian) "I am going to cinema" but in English we say "I am going to the cinema". Whether it's a Russian cinema or not doesn't matter.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874533)

Not this again. There's a reason some call it The Ukraine, old habits just die hard. Fortunately the internet champions of accuracy are here to save us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#.22Ukraine.22_versus_.22The_Ukraine.22

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

mrbester (200927) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876991)

This is like BBC radio DJs in the 70s / 80s always referring to bands like Sweet, Pink Floyd and Buggles by putting "The" in front, even when there were other bands they didn't, like Art of Noise and Brotherhood of Man which almost cry out for the definite article.

I swear I heard "The Depeche Mode" once. Made me cringe.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42877127)

Not this again.

Will you stop whining already?

Every single person I've ever met in my 62 years that was born in Ukraine will consider Americans who preface it with "the", to be idiots, it doesn't matter what Wikipedia says, it's what the people do.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (5, Interesting)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874573)

It's just "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine." (Perhaps you're thinking of "the U.K.")

The rule is that when it was part of the Soviet Union and a specific region, it was OK to call it "The Ukraine" but since independence the country has been quite clear in its official documents, embassy names, etc. that in the English language it is now simply known as Ukraine. Rules for other languages such as French may be different.

I got into an argument once via email with a Ukrainian woman in Kiev who insisted that because some English grammar book written in the 1980s (she actually quoted me the page and relevant section) said that it was "The Ukraine" that apparently this meant that until the end of time the country is to be called The Ukraine in the English speaking world. I thought it was a really odd argument to make as most Ukrainians will insist on not using the "The" when referring to their country if they can speak English, but it just goes to show you how old habits die hard.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (-1)

ruyagatu (2839505) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874715)

http://www.cloud65.com/ [cloud65.com] as Jack implied I am stunned that anyone able to get paid $8243 in four weeks on the internet. did you see this webpage

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42875255)

> The rule is that when it was part of the Soviet Union and a specific region, it was OK to call it "The Ukraine"

I wonder when The Bronx was part of the Soviet Union...

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

_Ludwig (86077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876049)

As with Burma, it's not up to them what our name for their country is. Germany doesn't demand that we call it "Deutschland," and it would be broadly mocked if it tried.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

CRCulver (715279) | about a year and a half ago | (#42877445)

While is indeed up to you what to call a place, that doesn't mean that pressure to use the name they desire won't suceed. For example, after Cote d'Ivoire announced that it wants this name used in all English-language contexts (superseding "Ivory Coast"), the new name caught on pretty quickly in the press and among educated speakers with a minimum of "mockery". Also, one can note how "Torino" has ousted "Turin" except for a few set phrases (e.g. "Shroud of Turin").

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881401)

Also, one can note how "Torino" has ousted "Turin" except for a few set phrases (e.g. "Shroud of Turin").

No it hasn't, at least in the UK. I watched the Juventus game on TV last night, and everyone said they came from Turin. If they had said Torino, it would have confused everyone. The fact that most commentators here pronounce the team "Jew-ventus" is amusing, but it's up to us to decide, not the Italians.

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

Trogre (513942) | about a year and a half ago | (#42877173)

Can we now refer to old Holland as simply Netherlands?

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about a year and a half ago | (#42878183)

So who are the Dutch?

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42881725)

I think nowadays we should refer to them as Netherlanders. :-)

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879759)

I like to call it "a Ukraine", is that ok?

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874701)

Is it really as bad as pissing in your cornflakes?

Re:It's just "Ukraine" (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42875555)

Who cares? I certainly don't.

There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874433)

There is no "the" in front of Ukraine. It is not a region, it is a country, you, insensitive clod.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (4, Interesting)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874587)

I live in United States of America. We were formerly run by what is now United Kingdom, which is part of European Union.

"Ukraine" used to mean "borderland" or "homeland", which is one of the reasons using it with the article is so commonplace. To say using "the" is wrong in every single circumstance is wrong, you insensitive the clod.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (3, Insightful)

LordSnooty (853791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874669)

Definitely the most important feature of the story and worth some discussion. The other side of the story, the whole lock someone up for an indeterminate amount of time with no idea of whether the broke a law or not part is just utterly played out.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (1)

Threni (635302) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876269)

The submitter lost me with "Panama is somehow involved, too." It's like Idiocracy has come to life and obtained its own website.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876711)

The submitter lost me with "Panama is somehow involved, too." It's like Idiocracy has come to life and obtained its own website.

Naw, it's just the US copyright cops grasping at straws. Not to worry, they'll just send in the Marines again to clean house.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42875127)

In Soviet Ukraine, insensitivity clods YOU.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (1)

countach (534280) | about a year and a half ago | (#42875161)

I find it hard to stop using "the" too, but it seems this is what Ukrainians want. They want the name to become more of a proper name than a description as a borderland. Even in Russian they have made some language adjustments to this end in recent times. So I guess its good to try and respect their wishes.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year and a half ago | (#42875657)

I find it hard to stop using "the" too, but it seems this is what Ukrainians want

Did you mean the Ukrainians?

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42875985)

No, that's how much they don't it.

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881441)

I find it hard to stop using "the" too, but it seems this is what Ukrainians want. They want the name to become more of a proper name than a description as a borderland. Even in Russian they have made some language adjustments to this end in recent times. So I guess its good to try and respect their wishes.

Fine, so we should call Spain "Espana", Germany "Deutschland" and so on? Paris must be pronounced "Pa-ree", Barcelona "Bar-the-lona" and so on?

If the word "Ukraine" means "borderland to Russia" then they should have chosen a better name for their country. I don't see what difference having "the" makes anyway. If it translated as "silly place full of snow" would it really matter whether we called it Silly Place Full of Snow or The Silly Place Full of Snow?

Re:There is no "the" in front of Ukraine (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882369)

I always wondered how some countries got such wildly different names in other languages, Germany/Deutschland and Japan/Nippon being the strangest.

Actually I just found an article on the topic and those two are just the tip of the iceberg:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym [wikipedia.org]

Welcome (2)

bmacs27 (1314285) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874519)

To the Hong Kong Demonoid.

Re:Welcome (2)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42875057)

403 - Forbidden

So useful.

Re:Welcome (2)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876719)

Sucker must be behind the Great Firewall.

Re:Welcome (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42884369)

I have tried from exit points in several countries.

the ukraine is weak (2, Funny)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874529)

the ukraine is weak

Re:the ukraine is weak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874577)

Ukraine is game to you?

Re:the ukraine is weak (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874595)

I come from Ukraine. You not say Ukraine weak.

Re:the ukraine is weak (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874641)

Yeah, well we're playing a game here, pal.

Re:the ukraine is weak (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874679)

Ukraine is game to you? How about I take your little board and smash
it!

Re:the ukraine is weak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42884599)

How about you learn the difference between a question mark and an exclamation mark!

Re:the ukraine is weak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42875419)

Ukraine is game to you?! How about I take your little board and smash it!!

Re:the ukraine is weak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42884545)

How about you read the post above yours before posting the same thing with an extra exclamation mark at the end?

No point in using demonoid... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874617)

The owner relinquished all of the seeder IP addresses, etc.

Why go to a tracker site that will rat you out?

Re:No point in using demonoid... (4, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42875623)

The seeders IP address were public knowledge. The entire point of the tracker is to release the seeders IP addresses. I have no problem with this. If there are users on there that want to hide what they are doing there are much better ways to go about it. If you're involved in this sort of thing, you've got to assume the industry is going to find out the IP address you hosted from. Best make sure that IP address doesn't lead back to you.

Re:No point in using demonoid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42876373)

You seem to misunderstand what Private means.
Private meets Private Invite, not Privacy.

You have 0 privacy when torrenting unless you use a proxy(ies).
The only privacy you have then is your ISP not ratting you out, which most will try as hard not to do even if they are media companies themselves since you are a customer who is paying them to exist.
They might send you a threatening letter, though.

Ukrainian Justice (5, Interesting)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874639)

I can speak Russian rather well (not really good at Ukrainian though) and I've spent a decent amount of time in Ukraine and I have a few friends who live there. I can tell you that justice goes to the highest bidder there at the local level. If the US government wants to bribe a judge, they can get whatever verdict they want. Or if they can convince President Yanukovich that he'll get something back in exchange for sending an "evil pirate" to jail, then his office will just tell the judge what to do. However, if the US just expects the local justice system to act like it would in a western country and they don't bribe or tell the Pres what to do, then anyone facing charges can just bribe the judge himself and get off. It will be interesting to see the outcome, but whatever the verdict is, I have no doubts that it will be completely dishonest and someone will have bribed or cajoled their way into it.

Re:Ukrainian Justice (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874753)

So the Ukrainian judiciary system is not that much different from the West's. Both follow the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

Re:Ukrainian Justice (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876745)

Pretty much, except they're more up front about it. What they don't tell you about the US legal system is, you only get the justice you can afford. It's not blatantly obvious yet.

Re:Ukrainian Justice (2)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874797)

Although I do not doubt that you are correct about Ukranian justice, I must argue that, at least regarding high profile cases, Western justice is not very far from that. The pirate bay farse of a judgement proves how far western justice can bend to political interest, for example.

Re:Ukrainian Justice (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876139)

It will be interesting to see the outcome, but whatever the verdict is, I have no doubts that it will be completely dishonest and someone will have bribed or cajoled their way into it.

In other words, it's just like the US?

There's always copycat demonoid.mk (2)

Cito (1725214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42874933)

http://demonoid.mk/ [demonoid.mk]

works pretty good, although I don't like the interface, it has all the goodies, usually released on demonoid.mk / kat.ph / thepiratebay.se all at same time.

id much rather the original demonoid though

THE? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42874999)

So the big part of this story is whether on not there should be a The in front of Ukraine? Nothing about the legality of what's been happening or whether Demoniod will return?

Re:THE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42876499)

Welcome to 2013...

ive been in jail on both sides of the border (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42875381)

with my long blonde hair
i much prefer the usa jail

So... (2)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year and a half ago | (#42876359)

So they tell you where to find stuff. They don't even host the stuff themselves. What did they book them on? Aiding and abetting? Why isn't the Google CEO in jail?

Re:So... (1)

steelfood (895457) | about a year and a half ago | (#42884497)

Because first, they come for the torrent tracker owners, though nobody speaks up as they do not own torrent trackers.

Al Ukraine (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880071)

Let's use Arabic and call it Al Ukraine.

The Panama (1)

ixarux (1652631) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880735)

Panama is somehow involved, too? Hard to believe that the land of fish, trees and butterflies is now involved in the raids within Mexico.
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