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Xbox Originator: "Stupid, Stupid Xbox!!"

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the don't-mince-words;-tell-us-what-you-really-think dept.

XBox (Games) 245

Freshly Exhumed writes "You can't begrudge Nat Brown for claiming some pride in the birth of Microsoft's game console: 'I was a founder of the original xBox project at Microsoft and gave it its name. Almost 14 years after the painful, pointless, and idiotic internal cage-match to get it started and funded, the hard selling of a compelling and lucrative living-room product to Bill (and then Steve as he began to take over), a product that consumers would want and love and demand, I am actually still thrilled to see how far it has come...' But in his recent ILIKE.CODE blog post he is driven to lament that '...as usual, Microsoft has jumped its own shark and is out stomping through the weeds planning and talking about far-flung future strategies in interactive television and original programming partnerships with big dying media companies when their core product, their home town is on fire, their soldiers, their developers, are tired and deserting, and their supply-lines are broken.' Nat goes on to detail a list of Microsoft's past and present strategic Xbox blunders, while tossing some barbs towards Nintendo's and Sony's game console strategies."

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Primary Problem? (5, Insightful)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about a year and a half ago | (#42879815)

It's the interface. It sucks. I bought a machine to game on, not one to sell me other crap. Two years ago when they changed to pre metro I boxed up the x-box and games and gave it to my nephews.

X-Box is doomed. Simply because it's not about gaming, but all about sales.

Re:Primary Problem? (4, Insightful)

maxdread (1769548) | about a year and a half ago | (#42879865)

And yet you can have it boot directly to whatever game is in the drive. Wouldn't impact your gaming at all.

Re:Primary Problem? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880223)

It sure is a good thing the 360 only plays disc based games, huh?

Re:Primary Problem? (2)

TriezGamer (861238) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880699)

You can access every game on your account from the guide, no need to fully drop to dashboard.

Re:Primary Problem? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42881961)

So it's needlessly load a disc and go from there to an XBLA title, or navigate a crappy UI? Sounds reasonable to me.

XBox is fine. (3, Funny)

fyngyrz (762201) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882211)

It's the XBox360 that sucks, frankly.

Re:Primary Problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879895)

It's the interface. It sucks. I bought a machine to game on, not one to sell me other crap. Two years ago when they changed to pre metro I boxed up the x-box and games and gave it to my nephews.

X-Box is doomed. Simply because it's not about gaming, but all about sales.

Bull-hockey. If that was the case, then nobody ever play games on mobile devices, which are arguably the most popular 'platforms' at the moment..

Re:Primary Problem? (4, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880219)

Bull-hockey. If that was the case, then nobody ever play games on mobile devices, which are arguably the most popular 'platforms' at the moment.

Are you claiming that a majority of your cellphone screen is advertising space like with the XBOX? If so, you may have malware. What's more, I seem able to run games etc on my tablet without a monthly subscription to "Android Gold".

Re:Primary Problem? (2, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881717)

Most mobile gaming is the same shitty game created 500 times with different titles, filled with stupid time-gates to encourage you to spend money on the bullshit "coin duplicators" and other crap that they are constantly peddling to you. Mobile games are, for the most part, of the same quality and mindset as Facebook games. Nothing more.

Re:Primary Problem? (2)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881977)

I seem able to run games etc on my tablet without a monthly subscription to "Android Gold".

Same applies to XBox - Live Gold is only required for certain apps (mainly Netflix et al) and online gaming.

Re:Primary Problem? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879981)

Agreed. That is why, even though the Xbox is very popular, there is no "halo effect" for other Microsoft products like Zune or Windows Phone.

People merely put up with the thing because it plays Halo, they have no love for the device itself.

Re:Primary Problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880021)

"X-Box is doomed?" I think you underestimate Microsoft's defense contracts. Hell, they managed to convince the US Army into a multimillion dollar pork-project adopting Windows 8, when most civilian consumers can't stand it.

You almost had it right, it's about sales, yes. More importantly, it's about money, and Microsoft has plenty of money and senators in its back pocket to keep itself alive. Now if you want to look at what will really kill a console, take a look at Sony and their adoption of the Cinavia protection for all future Bluray players and the PS3, which effectively "watermarks" the audio in a movie so that even a ripped copy won't play. Sony SELLS MEDIA SERVER products! Products that are designed to make it easier to stream media from a PC to a console or a Bluray player. Half the reason the iPod took off was that it (admittedly even for me ;) ) provided a really easy way to bring your entire Napster catalog on the road with you... Sony was actually looking at obtaining a kind of market dominance for HD media and now they're not just shooting themselves in the foot, they're aiming a rocket launcher at their foot and firing it until they've created a massive crater where they used to be standing. And no, I'm not picking on the PS3, despite all of Sony's foibles it's still my favourite console, but Microsoft could easily push out Cinavia to the 360 in a future update...they'll almost certainly be Bluray compatible with their next console, and if Sony has their way that'll mean it'll include Cinavia too. At that point, for people who pirate their media at least (and there are a lot of them admittedly!), what's the point of buying a console that's sold as a "media hub" when it won't actually play anything they have? They'd do better to pick up a DVD player and skip Microsoft or Sony's new toy. I think if anything kills the next generation consoles it will be the anti-piracy measures... People will only accept so narrow of a walled garden before even the least computer inclined will realize that, hey, I don't have to put up with ANY of this crap on my PC, and that has a HDMI port too.

Re:Primary Problem? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880477)

At that point, for people who pirate their media at least (and there are a lot of them admittedly!), what's the point of buying a console that's sold as a "media hub" when it won't actually play anything they have?

Guess they'll have to start paying for things like normal human beings.

Re:Primary Problem? (-1)

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Re:Primary Problem? (2)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880077)

What console hasn't been about sales? Pretty much all of the best selling ones were sold at either a loss or a very tiny profit margin so that they could make money off of selling the games. Effectively just a computer designed for content consumption.

Now they're simply adding more content to consume. Makes sense for the consumer when you think about it - no need turn it off, turn on another device, and change inputs when you switch from playing a game to watching movies.

The annoying thing about xbox though is that you have to have an xbox live subscription in order to consume other content. E.g. pay microsoft to watch netflix.

Re:Primary Problem? (3, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881739)

The new generation of consoles may end up being doomed *for gaming*. That isn't for certain, but it's possible. They've found a better market to sell the devices to (less than half of time spent on the 360 is spent playing video games). Gaming consoles used to be marketed toward gamers. Now they'll be catering and marketing to people who just want to watch Hulu and download the latest "music" video from the retarded flavor of the month.

As someone who enjoys gaming, across the board, I'd be disappointed in that. As someone who prefers PC gaming, I welcome it. Ditch your gaming fans and watch them flock to the PC.

Re:Primary Problem? (1)

Gamer_2k4 (1030634) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880233)

It's the interface. It sucks. I bought a machine to game on, not one to sell me other crap. Two years ago when they changed to pre metro I boxed up the x-box and games and gave it to my nephews.

X-Box is doomed. Simply because it's not about gaming, but all about sales.

How much of your XBox time did you spend in the menu, and how much did you spend in the games?

I'm guessing the ratio is heavily, HEAVILY weighted toward the latter. Your argument is absolutely ridiculous.

Re:Primary Problem? (5, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880279)

DUDE.

Dude.

You have to press A to play the game.

Dude.

I hate pressing A, man. It reminds me of those M$ A-HOLES AMIRITE!!!

Re:Primary Problem? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880323)

You sir, are a complete idiot. Xbox is doomed...yeah, you don't like it to it is awful. Go back to your Mt. Dew and Twinkies...maybe your linux box will have some awesome graphics to play games on.

Re:Primary Problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880611)

Yeah, like, Team Fortress 2, Counter strike Source, and MORE SHIT IS COMING.

Re:Primary Problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880701)

Screw that, I only need TUX RACER. Enjoy your COD4 luzers!!

iPad? is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880691)

iPad? is that you?

Re:Primary Problem? (5, Interesting)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880955)

And how is "all about sales" any different than Sony or Nintendo's gaming platforms?

It isn't. For that matter, how can gaming platforms like PCs with Steam be wildly popular and expanding into the platform market with the Steambox (while remaining wildly more popular than game platforms in general right now, I might add) exist when they are, essentially, JUST game sales and delivery systems?

Sorry, the Xbox is floundering for the same reason that things like capable entry level Android tablets come to market at $100 and smartphones sell for $500+ and people barely even blink at the price. The truth is that platform gaming is dying, even with the novelty of things like Kinect. People don't really want to game on their TVs anymore, they want something personal. The TV has become peripheral to home/personal entertainment, not central, and when people can get 90% of the same thing with any given game console, or 70% of what those consoles offer and a little bit more with a modern set-top box, it makes very little financial sense to continue with the "sell the console at a loss" model that Microsoft popularized, never mind anything between that and the Nintendo approach. (Look at sales models - hardly any console did well this past Christmas.)

The entire commercial idea of console gaming needs to be rethought and revitalized or it's simply not going to make a hill of beans how innovative they are.

Re:Primary Problem? (2)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881707)

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I suspect that this entire coming generation of consoles is going to be about catering to soccer-moms and your elderly dad rather than improving your gaming experience and providing more power. Based on hinting over the last three years, I'm concerned that the view from the console manufacturers is that these are now home media and social devices that just happen to play games.

If he has any influence at all... (2)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about a year and a half ago | (#42879821)

He'll try to convince them to can this stupid idea of linking all game purchases with a single xbox live account, and getting rid of the stupid "always-on" DRM requirement.

Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (0)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | about a year and a half ago | (#42879849)

Daily Microsoft bitch-fest in 5...4...3...2...1... GO!

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879991)

You didn't read who he is and why his thoughts on the matter are valuable? Sigh, the /. headline it was TL;DR right?

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (4, Funny)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880013)

You must be new here. We have a Microsoft bitch-fest everyday even if they don't make anything newsworthy. It's either a Windows 8 post, or some rumour about DRM on the xbox, or Stallman saying something dumb, or something about UEFI, and if all those fail then we find some random guy that quit a decade ago and writes a butthurt blog post.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880051)

Greetings DeathFromSomewherebot, I am edbot and I am also programmed to traduce all Slashdot threads that may even slightly reflect poorly on Microsoft. Good hunting!

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (4, Informative)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880135)

The ones about UEFI annoy me the most. Too many people, even on slashdot of all places, think UEFI is just a graphical addon to BIOS that also adds DRM. It's nothing of the sort, most existing UEFI systems on OEM computers have a text based configuration tool and don't even secure boot. (Windows 8 mandates the change of the later of course.) Further, BIOS also had DRM capability.

UEFI is a complete replacement of BIOS. BIOS had a ton of restrictions related to all sorts of things, e.g. partition count and size on the bootable hard disk, BIOS requires POST (which in modern systems needlessly adds to the boot time) as well as a ton of reserved and now useless for decades interrupts. These new things that you find with UEFI (e.g. graphical configuration tool) are simply new features that UEFI allows for, but aren't required.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (2, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880493)

yeah, the more they overdo the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..

seriously, the bootloader on modern hardware doesn't need all that bullshit.. it just needs to load a binary image and execute it. If a more advanced bootloader is needed, just use the bios loader to chainload in place of the OS kernel. The rest of UEFI is fluff. Your other complaints about outdated POST are easily remedied without making the whole stack suck.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (3, Insightful)

dfghjk (711126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882109)

"seriously, the bootloader on modern hardware doesn't need all that bullshit..."

Just what is "all that bullshit"? People that make these comments have no idea.

"The rest of UEFI is fluff. "

Point out some of this "fluff" specifically.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42882349)

We need TWRP for Desktop.....seriously....wouldn't that be a good thing?

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881907)

UEFI is a complete replacement of BIOS

Open Firmware replaces BIOS and avoids legacy cruft, and doesn't seek to prevent people doing what they want with their computer. Ironically, it's been used extensively by Apple.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (1)

dfghjk (711126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882079)

"Open Firmware replaces BIOS and avoids legacy cruft, and doesn't seek to prevent people doing what they want with their computer."

Neither does UEFI.

If you want people to take you seriously, stop suggesting ignorant things.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882007)

most existing UEFI systems on OEM computers have a text based configuration tool and don't even secure boot. (Windows 8 mandates the change of the later of course.)

I'll have to check, but I'm fairly sure my home PC doesn't have secure boot, yet it does have Win8 on it.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42882035)

As someone who was working with servers with UEFI five years ago, I remember thinking "This is a neat idea, Intel have finally caught up with the likes of OpenBoot". Then I've spent the past few years watching OEMs implement UEFI in a such mind-boggling manner that at this point I'm not even sure that they know what UEFI is.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (1)

dfghjk (711126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882133)

Specifics please? Graphical UIs in setup have nothing to do with UEFI. What are these "mind-boggling" UEFI implementations?

You tribalists are pathetic.

Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880327)

But this isn't ./ people bitching, its about internal 'softies bitching (he led the development of the product, you can't call him an outsider). The /. folk haven't even started to bash mickeysoft (yet). *YOU* must be new here.

Bill needed (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879867)

Didn't think i would ever say this...but have to admit Bill gates leaving MS was NOT the best thing to happen to MS. Srsly though ballmer is just pushing the MS car down the cliff.

Re:Bill needed (4, Insightful)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880125)

Everyone else long ago noticed how MS flatlined when Bill left, besides the fact that he was obviously a visionary and genius (and not half bad at business either). You may disagree with a ton of things he did, and rightly so on many of them, but you can't look at Microsoft's massive rise and Bill's obvious driving of said rise and go "Yeah, Bill leaving MS was the best thing that happened to them". It's patently ridiculous.

Re:Bill needed (5, Interesting)

Captain Hook (923766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881255)

Did MS flatline because Bill left, or was it always going to flatline around then because it MS had reached that point where it couldn't go after new markets without canniblising it's core income streams and competitors were lined up to take advantage of that.

Re:Bill needed (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42882393)

No, it was when Bill left. A quick look at the history of Balmer shows that he is very big on slaying dragons but not very big on plundering their hoards. Even worse, he prefers to attack without a technological advantage, instead preferring to rely on the massive cash of MS. He took on Google with Bing, the Playstation with XBox, the iPod with Zune, the iPhone and Android with Windows Phone, the iPad with Surface RT, Java with .NET, and Flash with Silverlight. How many of these were big successes?

Compare this to Jobs, who took failed and under-realized ideas (portable music player, tablets, digital music, etc.) and made them work well. Even their PCs and laptops are based on the system model that MS largely destroyed decades earlier in the home market, relegating it to scientific, business, and other specialized applications.

The contrast is like night and day: one struck while the competitors were weak and executed well to carry the day; the other struck while the competitors were strong and executed mediocrily, at best, using massive cash to carry the day.

Re:Bill needed (3, Funny)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882111)

Everyone else long ago noticed how MS flatlined when Bill left, besides the fact that he was obviously a visionary and genius (and not half bad at business either). You may disagree with a ton of things he did, and rightly so on many of them, but you can't look at Microsoft's massive rise and Bill's obvious driving of said rise and go "Yeah, Bill leaving MS was the best thing that happened to them". It's patently ridiculous.

Son, all I remember about your visionary genius is when I saw his book - which was published in 1995 - in Barnes and Noble with a big red sticker on the front which read: Now Revised To Include The Internet.

So much for the vision thing.

Re:Bill needed (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880129)

They need a new chair man.

Re:Bill needed (2)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882009)

They need a new chair man.

Nah, they just need to stop Ballmer throwing it.

Re:Bill needed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42882293)

Cos Ballmer broke the old one dude

Re:Bill needed (5, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880137)

Ballmer is doing a bull run full ahead and don't care a bit about what the customers think. Not only the Xbox live account requirement is evidence of that but also the fact that the Windows 8 UI is something that's best useful for three year old kids and not useful for the advanced users.

I suspect that Microsoft has had it's peak and now they are into the process and business model that we saw that many big computer corporations were following during the 70's and 80's where you locked the systems through obscurity. Next step would be a CPU class based licensing of Windows.

The reason why M$ did grow big was that there was not much heavy copy-protection and license key mess in the beginning. People copied the OS from work to run at home as well and so on. It may have been a lost sale, but not many home users would have purchased the full license anyway.

Re:Bill needed (2)

rochrist (844809) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880457)

I just got a new laptop with windows 8, and I'm just flat out stunned at how awful the interface is. I didn't have it an hour before I bought Start 8. and even with that running, the interface STILL makes me want to stab myself in the eyeballs.

Re:Bill needed (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881757)

Next step would be a CPU class based licensing of Windows.

Not to the degree that the old-school enterprise players (IBM and Oracle, say) do it; but Windows licensing has already been spec based for quite some time now. As far back as NT 4.0, there was 'server' and 'enterprise server'(if you wanted 3GB of RAM per-process and an 8 CPU SMP license).

2000 brought 'server', 'advanced server', and 'datacenter server' (4CPU), (8CPU, 8GB RAM w/PAE), and (32CPU, 32GB RAM w/PAE) respectively.

Re:Bill needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880897)

Seriously, do you remember what MS under Bill was like? Launch XP was dreadful. WindowsME. WinCE.

Xbox 360 is a huge success for Microsoft, no matter what the haters say. See this just today:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-12-xbox-360-worldwide-sales-top-76-million [eurogamer.net]

The Wonders of the Young (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879921)

I don't know if you people understand how alluring the young tight 16 year old male body is. Hot, young, and full of cum! With a delightful cock that get's up fast and will not go down even after two orgasms! Folks, the 16 year old boy is highly underrated as a sex partner! His hips gyrate up and down as his full hard cock pivots in and out of whatever orifice pleases him...

As George Taki likes to say... OH MY!

The marketing department are morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42879965)

The marketing department are morons.

They send me emails asking me to buy some game that I already own and play.
They don't send me emails asking me to buy the new DLC for a game I do play.

appstore model will not work (1)

Dorianny (1847922) | about a year and a half ago | (#42879983)

The appstore model of shitty games selling at a couple of bucks works for developers and apple because there are 400 million ios devices sold to date. With only 70 million xbox 360's this model would fail miserably.

Re:appstore model will not work (4, Insightful)

toiletsalmon (309546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880073)

I disagree. I think most of their arcade games are "shitty" as it is. Plus why should I pay $15 for a title on my xbox when I can get the same game cheaper on four other platforms for less? PLUS, it doesn't cost me $5 a month to take full advantage of my iPad.

A more open and competitively priced market is exactly the thing that would bring me back, but Windows 8 had proven that they have other plans.

Re:appstore model will not work (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880827)

If you actually looked at the XBLA, you would see that you are full of shit. Fuck off sonygger.

Classic Geek Mistake (-1, Troll)

DavidD_CA (750156) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880015)

I think the classic geek mistake is being made here... that just because it isn't right for them, it's not right for anyone.

I don't own an X-Box (I have a PS3), but after hearing about all of the interactive and extended things it can do, I'm really wishing I would have bought the X-Box instead years ago.

I love the idea that it can act as a simple extender for my Windows-based home network. I know the PS3 can do this, but I've never been able to get it to work perfectly.

I love that I can control the Xbox now with a Windows Phone, using Smart Glass.

I'm interested in how the games and achievements from my Windows Phone can interact with the X-Box.

Lately I use my PS3 more for Amazon Prime videos than anything else. And I've spent more money on DLC, movies, and songs than I have on video games by a factor of 100.

These are all things that might be viewed by some people as wasteful, non-essential, non-gamer things. But to me, they're important.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880087)

Yo Dale Carnegie, the syrup about the xbox is almsot as bad as the crying about all the things you wish you had bought. Buy and xbox, okay? *** THEN *** tell us all about it.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880103)

To each his own. For me, if I bought a gaming console, it would be primarily because I can play games on it. Movies, songs, anything else would perhaps be a benefit, but if they take away from the games too much, I rather do without.

This is why I bought a kindle instead of a similarly priced tablet. The kindle is for reading books on, and does this very well, with a nice screen and a pretty good buttong positioning. It doesn't do much else but the batery lasts a long time so its great. If I bought a tablet, I could have played extra games on it, watched movies and so on. But the screen would, in nearly every case, be not as useful to me (the reading on the kindle is so much better than any other screen, in my opinion), nor would I like to have to charge my device too often.

Some devices people buy to do everything they can on, some they buy for one specific task. It probably is up to the user to decide when he wants a dedicated or an all round device.
I personally can't imagine myself buying a gaming console to do anything other than games. If I want to do a lot more, I would attach a computer to my television. Not a console.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880167)

If there is a more obvious piece of astroturf anywhere I'd love to see it. But the bit about loving what you can do with the Xbox you don't actually own is almost as classic as mentioning Smart Glass and capitalizing it.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42881253)

its painful to read. at least its been modded funny.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (1)

kiddygrinder (605598) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880367)

xbox only works as an extender to your network if you're running all windows 7 machines (probably works on 8, never seen 8 in the wild though). last count i'm running 1 windows 7 box out of about 8 computers. i don't really care to pay for windows to install an OS i don't like just so it's compatible with gaming hardware that might be able to replace $50 bucks worth of raspberry pi equipment.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881311)

I think the classic geek mistake is being made here... that just because it isn't right for them, it's not right for anyone.

That's not a geek mistake; it's a selfish turd mistake.

Re:Classic Geek Mistake (1)

karnal (22275) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882047)

From a media perspective, it's a pretty simple extender - in the same vein that DLNA is supposed to do most of this too. My issues:

1. I need to have a Windows machine on at all times I want to use the extender piece on the xbox because Windows Media Center has to be running to give the files to the machine.
2. Windows Media Center doesn't appear to convert a lot of things in my library to a format readable by the xbox; hence I never use the xbox as an extender.

I have had similar experiences on #2 for DLNA. Even trying to put together some of the applications (again, windows machine + transcoding is supposed to work here) DLNA just doesn't fit the bill. I have relegated myself to the fact that if I want to be able to play everything without messing around, a low-cost PC running media player classic is the way to go. Just built an i3 for my basement in fact because my old single core athlon couldn't decode anything higher than 720p without becoming a mess, even with hardware video decoding.

Ooo, I'll do it. No, wait, you don't mean me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880079)

xBox just needs somebody with a brain and focus to get the product in order tactically before romping forward to continue the long-term strategic promise of an xBox in every living room, connected to every screen.

Who's got two thumbs and can head a multi-million dollar project?

Another one? Sheesh. (4, Insightful)

goodmanj (234846) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880101)

Oh look, it's another retired general bitching about how much better things were when he led the army. File this one under W for 'Wozniak'.

Re:Another one? Sheesh. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881791)

Oh look, it's another retired general bitching about how much better things were when he led the army. File this one under W for 'Wozniak'.

The Woz probably isn't the best comparison: In this rant, the guy who kicked off MS' Xbox strategy is complaining about how MS is fucking up Xbox strategy. In the case of Wozniak, Apple's original hardware-hacker-geek occasionally laments the fact that a company that bears almost no resemblance to the "Apple" of his era except the name now produces products that don't even pretend to be interested in the likes of him.

Advertisements even after paying yearly! (5, Insightful)

Tagged_84 (1144281) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880117)

The number 1 issue I have with MS and Xbox is that even after paying around $60 a year for their service I still get bombarded with advertisements covering upwards of HALF my f*cking screen!!! Where the hell is the money going if it's not going towards paying to have a clean, ad-free service?

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (0)

MHolmesIV (253236) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880321)

Wow, bet you haven't ever paid for a magazine then, or a newspaper, or how about cable television? The ads are allowing big companies to subsidize your gold subscription. You're welcome.

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880385)

There is nothing stupider than thanking big companies for showing you advertising. "Please sir, can I have a larger, louder, more in-my-face advert? Please?"

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880565)

The ads are allowing big companies to subsidize your gold subscription.

My gold subscription to . . . a bunch of ads?

I already pay my isp for internet access. I seriously can't fathom why I would wanna pay for it twice.

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (1)

flowbert69 (1737032) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880651)

The number 1 issue I have with MS and Xbox is that even after paying around $60 a year for their service I still get bombarded with advertisements covering upwards of HALF my f*cking screen!!! Where the hell is the money going if it's not going towards paying to have a clean, ad-free service?

I have asked myself that same question, many times. it is totally crazy, yet i continue to renew my sub.

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881897)

I have asked myself that same question, many times. it is totally crazy, yet i continue to renew my sub.

What's totally crazy is that you haven't blocked those ads at your router, which doesn't prevent you from using Live.

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42882057)

Yeah; that's so crazy. Especially since every router comes with a configuration option that a user who doesn't care to tinker can just check and apply to take away the advertisements.

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882277)

Yeah; that's so crazy. Especially since every router comes with a configuration option that a user who doesn't care to tinker can just check and apply to take away the advertisements.

That would be a valid complaint if this were live.com, but this is slashdot.org and the reader is assumed to know how to use google and possibly even how to log into their router.

Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882475)

Not disagreeing about the advertising, but I see specials almost every day where you can get XBox Live for $36/year.

HALO 1/2 and KOTOR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880199)

That was XBOX's prime. Anyone know why he named it XBOX? I thought the reason was this: "Hey Bob, you know how Linux puts X on stuff? Let's do that and make people associate that X with our product and Microsoft."

Re:HALO 1/2 and KOTOR (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880249)

Because of DirectX, duh.

Bullshit. (2)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881221)

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is the pinnacle of console gaming, on any platform - and it was particularly good on the Xbox.

Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880203)

Few things make you seem as ignorant as when you insist on typing "X-Box" instead of "Xbox". I'm the biggest fucking grammar Nazi on the planet, but "Xbox" is a fixed string as it's a trademark. It doesn't matter if it "should" be "X-Box" or "X-box" or whatever -- it's *a fact* that it's "Xbox".

Engineering vs Marketing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880523)

While I am as much a grammer pedant as the next person (don't get me started on "X-Windows") it is interesting to note that Nat Brown, who "gave it its name", writes "xBox" througout except when talking directly about the product. Perhaps we are seeing the difference between the product as conceived by a visionary and the product as delivered by Marketing.

Re:Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42881943)

Wish I had mod points.

Cat got tongue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880305)

Console model: Buy a new game for 60 in USA or 100 in the rest of the world. Like it? Good. Don't like it? Bugger it!
Mobile: Test a game. Like it? Buy it or remove ads. Don't like it? Try another 1000s of games. Or use your mobile for what is made for: Phone, sms, social media.

Also all next consoles will stop 2nd hand games, will need internet always (like most ISP can support the extra traffic) and well despite Americans love them, several people are fed up of the "soldier in mission soldier" games. Not everybody has a party of friends for play to be a soldier squad (the foes can be zombies, nazis, terrorists, greek gods, etc. but the game is the same: Shoot, kill, recollect, repeat

And why this text box shows the input as I write an Asiatic (right to left) language?
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Home town means nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880311)

MS would have become irrelevant if not for the forthought of its hardware partners in the early twenty-oughts and yet those same innovators now stand closest to the brink. Fuck you Ballmer, we bought you your damn yacht. Grow a backbone if you expect us to stand behind you. At this point I wouldn't mind seeing you kicked to the curb.

Agreed. Always thought XBOX sucked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880465)

Now the real question is why are there so many people who suck?

I guess I'm just not into sucking.

(plus one Informative) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880513)

off1cial GNAA irc

Next gen consoles are the new PCs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880535)

The new consoles from Sony and Microsoft are both incredibly improved PC designs. Because they dump every aspect of Intel, and use AND technology, bandwidth to the GPU and CPU engines is vastly higher than anything Intel provides with even its best motherboard chipsets. A high-end PC with a high-end discrete GPU is still vastly faster, of course, but with much clunkier engineering.

The new consoles, each having 8 true CPU cores, encourage proper multi-threaded execution in applications (an easy programming task for most types of AAA games). They each come with 8GB of main memory, allowing applications to build massive gaming worlds.

What neither have is massive amounts of GPU grunt to drive 'Crysis' like graphics at insane resolutions. Such GPU power is still too expensive and power hungry. The best next-gen console games will have similar visuals to the best games today on powerful PCs, but with much better textures, and vastly larger seemless gaming levels. The best next-gen console games will probably render at a resolution less than 1080, and upscale the image a little, to enable more complex scene rendering.

Best of all is the fact that the 8GB of memory means that games no longer have to be 'cheap' with state information (as in no proper save games), and can return to the glory days of PC gaming when a session could end at any point, and later the game could pick up exactly where the player left. The new console games will be unthinkably good, and port across to ordinary PCs with ease.

The fact that the new consoles are also very powerful generic PCs means all the other services promised and never really delivered on the PS3 and Xbox360 are now trivial to support on the new boxes. Even 4K decoding with the new codec standard will be simple given the power of the 8 CPU cores, so it won't matter that the video hardware doesn't support H265 yet. These new devices are truly game changers IF they sell as well as previous consoles, and given the games they will run, they are going to sell an awful lot better.

Re:Next gen consoles are the new PCs (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881811)

You do realize that, while Hypertransport vs. FSB was a hilariously lopsided contest(and one of the reasons that even the most Intel-friendly OEMs were forced to start shipping Opteron servers in the multi-socket segement), all remotely recent Intel silicon(except Atom, which is off marching very slowly in its own direction) use QPI and integrated memory controllers? It took them long enough; but recent AMD and recent Intel CPUs again have substantially the same layout in terms of interface bandwidth and placement of system RAM.

Evolution (2)

ixarux (1652631) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880645)

I have never found myself comfortable with any gaming consoles. My fingers have never been able to get the hang of the consoles. I think the future, the human race will be divided into 4 groups of evolved species with differing hand configurations - the consolers, the keyboarders, the swipers and the rest of the world. Let the games begin!

Re:Evolution (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880809)

I think the future, the human race will be divided into 4 groups of evolved species with differing hand configurations - the consolers, the keyboarders, the swipers and the rest of the world.

Except evolution requires reproduction, which is a rare event amongst the first three groups.

Never played (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880741)

Back when Xbox was released, I decided I would never get one (just because it's a microsoft product). Today, I have never played with Xbox... Actually I haven't even ever touched the controller.

And I'm doing fine!

lets talk about xbox anal playing a video. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880817)

lets talk about xbox anal playing a video.
stage 1) pick a video
stage 2) figure how you see the video on your own xbox.
stage 3) give up
stage 4) come back after a week to watch a diffrent video
stage 5) remember the problem and google it
stage 6) you need another computer(wtf?xbox is not computer?) to make it “streamable”.
stage 7) get hold of another comuter and push your brother claiming its for family good.
stage 8) stay in your room for pushing a brother, and think how this could be solved
stage 9) you get a feeling you can solve it
stage 10) get to the box next day, and understand you had no idea how complex it is
stage 11) blame the firewall, and it still doesnt work
stage 12) go find 3ed party software
stage 13) ok, install the software
stage 14) blame the firewall again
stage 15) you try to play the video again on media center.
stage 16) STOP CURSING AND FOCUSE , the xbox error 54735637 clearly say in google search , its a
codec problem
stage 17) try to install vlc
stage 18) yes, spending an evening googling to understand why ms doesnt support open source , to end
up in a distro wars, you dont get.
stage 19) the weakend is over, give up, go and buy a cheap chinse device to stream media, and
“unplug” that shit , so you can watch videos. aaah, if only you could plug 2 at a time.
stage 20) stop hitting the screen, its not its fault its too old to handle two connections without
static noise.
stage 21) offer xbox on ebay staying its a piece of shit
stage 22) removing from ebay “its a piece of shit”
stage 23) you forgot you cant transfer all your games from your old xbox, its only for “you” and
for your ‘users”
stage 24) explain the buyer that you cant sell your xbox.
stage 25) you hope the dog can destroy the box, even thow you spend hudnerd of dollars on a box that
cant play video cause a “programmer” deicded that.
stage 26) put xbox on a dark closet , not to be seen again for 2 decades, when its worth as antic.

TLDR Version (4, Informative)

wienerschnizzel (1409447) | about a year and a half ago | (#42880923)

Ok, these are the ACTUAL complaints in the article:

1) Microsoft has purposefully locked out small developers from contributing to XBox.

2) Cluttered interface that bombards the user with unnecessary and confusing pop-ups.

3) Apple may be able to get control of the console business if they open up their Apple Store ecosystem to Apple TV

Re:TLDR Version (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42880991)

Not replying directly to you, just using your succinct summary.

>1) Microsoft has purposefully locked out small developers from contributing to XBox.
Good, the quality of XBLA games pretty good trending to excellent, and I don't have to wade through 1000 shit games to get a gem. But it is slightly disingenous to ignore the indie games channel, and also ignore what MS has done for small indies by promoting their games on XBLA. eg/ SMB/limbo/Fez.

>2) Cluttered interface that bombards the user with unnecessary and confusing pop-ups.
Yeah, the scrolling one was a ton better. This new one sucks.

>3) Apple may be able to get control of the console business if they open up their Apple Store ecosystem to Apple TV
MS has a pretty good range of media services available, in fact I'd be hard pressed to find anywhere as good except for PC. An ios console may work, but if it's a shovelware fest count me out.

Re:TLDR Version (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881139)

You forget another, more important reason, according to my brother and his friends; price gouging. Basically to do anything now, you have to put up micro-payments or hard earned points. And don't forget about the games themselves with DRM overload to the point that my brother and his friends have notepads full of websites they've had to register at just to play the game they bought.

er, yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42881027)

Maybe it's time to remove the post from your butt.

Name format (1)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42881991)

It's interesting to see the person who named it format the name - properly, I assume - as xBox, not XBox or Xbox. I rarely see it in the correct style, but it hasn't registered before, unlike the Mac/MAC or iPod/IPod/Ipod errors I see all too often.

Re:Name format (1)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882037)

After I posted this, I read the comments and looked at the official site. Apparently they changed somewhere along the line to Xbox.

The Downfall of Microsoft (1, Offtopic)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882075)

You know, I saw a commercial for a Surface last night. It depicted a bunch of 20-something misanthropes at "work" doing something that could be likened to having epileptic seizures on a conference room table, tossing their tablets about as if they were frisbees and displaying facial expressions like my dog makes when it's trying to take a crap.

In the time since then, I still have no idea what Surface is, does, or how it would help my organization get anything done. All I remember are a bunch of idiots acting like idiots and not doing any work.

It's like they were *trying* to sell this device, whatever it is, to business, by appealing to the worse type of employee imaginable. That doesn't seem like much of a success strategy to me.

Seriously, watch a couple of these commercials and tell me that there is a clear message about how this thing is actually useful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UlE-o8DQQ [youtube.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr3dFSzh1yU [youtube.com]

Maybe I'm just old and unhip and still believe that going to work is for working.

Re:The Downfall of Microsoft (1)

okoskimi (878708) | about a year and a half ago | (#42882429)

Awww, give them a break. The second one actually carried two useful pieces of information: it has a pen, and it supports USB peripherals :-)

Also, you seem to remember the ads quite well. Would that be the case if they had simply explained the features and benefits? Perhaps the whole thing is a devious plot to keep people talking about Surface simply by keeping people talking about how awful the ads are...

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