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Finnish Anti-Piracy Site Pirates Thepiratebay Content

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the it's-fair-use-when-we-do-it dept.

Piracy 82

An anonymous reader writes "Finnish copyright lobby TTVK Ry (which earlier ordered the artist promotion site The Promo Bay to be censored as 'thepiratebay subpage' before later admitting that it's legal, and also got the police to confiscate a 9-year-old's Winnie-the-Pooh laptop on suspicion of having illegally downloaded a single album) launched an anti-piracy website: http://piraattilahti.fi./. The site closely resembles The Pirate Bay, and if you take a closer look, you'll notice that CSS has been directly copied from thepiratebay.se, complete with the original site name in comments (http://piraattilahti.fi/css/css.css, pastebin mirror). Of course, one interesting question is: how on Earth did they manage to pirate The Pirate Bay content, considering that they managed to get court orders for major ISPs to censor access to The Pirate Bay?"

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In the words of South Park (4, Funny)

SirGeek (120712) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885021)

"They are ABOVE the law !"

Re:In the words of South Park (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885073)

There's laws for the rich and powerful, and there's laws for the rest of us.

The US HSBC is the most horrifying illustration of this.

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42886239)

You mean the US HSBC which is the new name for "The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation"?

HSBC may have a subsidiary in the US, but it is a British company.

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42901393)

No it isn't.

Hence the name Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking.

Re:In the words of South Park (1)

julesh (229690) | about a year and a half ago | (#42942103)

No it isn't.

Hence the name Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking.

The company's head office is in Canada Square, London. It is listed on the LSE. It may originally have been based in Hong Kong, but it moved because regulations would have prevented them taking over the Midland Bank if they weren't British.

Re:In the words of South Park (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885215)

They took our CSS!!

Re:In the words of South Park (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885397)

Dey turk ur stalsheets!

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885767)

Gosh darn it, ma, they done take our styleshits!

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887229)

DUR DURK UR STULSHURTS

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42941639)

DURKURSTEEEEYOOOOOORTS!

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887901)

They took our CSS!!

You bastards!

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

John Holmes (2619159) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885455)

Laws are for sheeple.

Re:In the words of Someone Else (1)

Trails (629752) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886845)

Above the law? They are the law!

Re:In the words of South Park (1)

cgt (1976654) | about a year and a half ago | (#42887715)

No, you're thinking of Steven Seagal.

Re:In the words of South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887825)

Google cache? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885055)

Is the question at the end meant to be there? They could of started building it before the blockade. They hired foreign developers to build it who could still access the domain.. Tor.. Google cache.. way back machine.. maybe they bypass the security internally.. is this really the question???

I had this same fear during my exams.

Re:Google cache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885239)

Poor chap, you are clearly humor-impaired.

Re:Google cache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42886369)

It's not his fault though. There was an automobile accident when he was just a wee tyke. Poor fellow never had a chance - his humor bone was crushed against the dash of the car he was riding in!

Re:Google cache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42889911)

That was humerus!

Re:Google cache? (2)

dragon-file (2241656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886641)

A. It's Rhetorical. We all know the answer. B. The fact that we all know the answer makes the question humorous.

Pirates! (4, Insightful)

Dr. Evil (3501) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885093)

The Pirate Bay doesn't host pirated content, but these anti-piracy guys do. Interesting.

I guess links to http://piraattilahti.fi/ [piraattilahti.fi] are links to pirated content.

I'm sure if TPB asked them nicely to take down the infringement, they'd comply. No need to make a big issue out of it.

Re:Pirates! (5, Informative)

beachcoder (2281630) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885183)

It's not pirated content. Ever notice the Kopimi link at the bottom of TPB pages? http://www.kopimi.com/kopimi/ [kopimi.com]

Re:Pirates! (5, Informative)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885289)

Mod parent up till +6.
From the Kopimi page:
kopimi (copyme), symbol showing that you want to be copied.

How about a complete non-story.

Re:Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885925)

Exactly. It's not piracy, it's just funny and a little sad.

Re:Pirates! (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886259)

It's not pirated content. Ever notice the Kopimi link at the bottom of TPB pages? http://www.kopimi.com/kopimi/ [kopimi.com]

Yes, because this is the kind of licensing that copyright lawyers working for the modern mafia recognize as completely kosher, and because they would in no way try to shut it down it the copying went the other way round.

Re:Pirates! (1)

sosume (680416) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886453)

No, the thing is that they got a court order to remove certain content -not infringing, but aiding in infringement- , and then they proceed to serve exactly that content. I wonder what the judge in this case would think. Old media analogy would be Sony suing the NY Times for publishing a magazine on how to copy rented tapea. And after tehe Times is convicted, publishing that same magazine.

Re:Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887383)

CSS is not content. Your analogy would work if they made their own magazine in the same style, but with their own articles.

Re:Pirates! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42888937)

CSS is not content. Your analogy would work if they made their own magazine in the same style, but with their own articles.

CSS is code. Your argument is essentially that his analogy doesn't work because copyright doesn't apply to code.
Part of The Pirate Bay trial was based on copying of code, more specifically the World of Warcraft binaries that you were encouraged to share with your friends together with the trial account you got with each purchase.

Do you see how redistribution of code that you are encouraged to redistribute is used to destroy peoples lives in one case but not in the other.

Does that seem fair to you?

Re:Pirates! (3, Insightful)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886597)

While I don't read Finnish (or whatever language this is in) this website looks like it's a lampoon, which if it is, falls under fair use regardless of whether or not the kopimi symbol is there. I mean it has a picture of a sinking corsair ffs.

Re:Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42889605)

While I don't read Finnish (or whatever language this is in) this website looks like it's a lampoon, which if it is, falls under fair use regardless of whether or not the kopimi symbol is there. I mean it has a picture of a sinking corsair ffs.

Are you allowed to use the original content in lampooning something? Could I use the original Avengers movie footage to make an Avengers porno lampoon?

Re:Pirates! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42892431)

Could I use the original Avengers movie footage to make an Avengers porno lampoon?

The nature and purpose of the work are both relevant. If you made it and gave it away, it would almost certainly be fair use. If you made it and sold it, it would almost certainly not be fair use.

Re:Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42894751)

There is no fair use law in Finland.

Re:Pirates! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887015)

Did you actually GO to the link? If you actually tried to search for anything, or click on any of the links they redirect you to a page where they encourage you to purchase those products legally (and provide some links to start your journey from filthy pirate to legitimate consumer).

Re:Pirates! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#42887255)

Did you actually GO to the link? If you actually tried to search for anything, or click on any of the links they redirect you to a page where they encourage you to purchase those products legally (and provide some links to start your journey from filthy pirate to legitimate consumer).

it's just the finnish rights holder associations pissing away their cash.

someone probably made a mint producing that site for them. easiest cash ever.

It's like RAIN.... (4, Insightful)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885099)

... because the best way to show people that copying IP is wrong is to copy their IP.

Does Finnish law has an equivalent to the DMCA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885123)

Does Finnish law has an equivalent to the DMCA? Because it would be hillarious if they sent a DMCA takedown notice to the hosting provider of http://piraattilahti.fi./ ...

Not only CSS (3, Informative)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885125)

The main picture is a span that says "The Pirate Bay".

Also, the ship doesn't look like it's really sinking, I guess they just took a random picture of a ship and tilted it.

Re:Not only CSS (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885195)

It made me think of the boat from The Perfect Storm riding the huge waves. Which just makes pirates seem all the more badass.

Re:Not only CSS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887569)

Sinking pirate ship? Looks more like a sinking mechant ship. Arrrrr

Interview of Executive Director of TTVK (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885139)

There is an interview in finnish newspaper from Antti Kotilainen Executive Director of TTVK ry http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288540010300.html

Translated interview:

TTVK ry Executive Director Antti Kotilainen, so why it happend like this?
– In here we are trying to educate and tell people that there are legal options

But the webpage is copied from The Pirate Bay. When you check pages source code you can see the original refences to the Piratebay.
- If you see something in there, then we have to see what we are going to do. That is what we are looking for, so the people would start to use legal services

So what kinda message are you sending? Isn't there some ideological problem when you are copying from copyers?
- There is no ideological problem. If you watch carefully then you can see that there is a picture of sinking pirate-ship.

So what are you going to do to the page? Are you gonna leave it as it is?
- I don't know the technology so good that I can comment on that question.

Re:Interview of Executive Director of TTVK (1)

tobiah (308208) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885367)

nice find

Re:Interview of Executive Director of TTVK (4, Insightful)

skiminki (1546281) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885881)

I read the same interview. To me, it seems that the director does not really know much about copyrights and is doing his best to avoid direct answers to simple questions. His best is not very good, though.

Basically he's saying that it's OK to rip the layout and the source code of a web site if you change the logo. And that there's no ideological problem whatsoever. I wonder whether anyone is going to cite that in legal cases against TTVK...

Re:Interview of Executive Director of TTVK (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#42887379)

there's two things he knows.
1. taking money from ttvk members.( http://antipiracy.fi/ttvk/jasenet/ [antipiracy.fi] )
2. giving it to himself and people who buy him drinks( people who do their campaigns ) so they can do stuff for his organization.

I think this campaign is stupid. it just promotes that pirate bay exists. and promotes another site of roughly the same gang of companies.. http://dwnld.fi/fi/ [dwnld.fi] which they kind of need since NOBODY GIVES A FUCK about the top lists they got there.

Re:Interview of Executive Director of TTVK (1)

future assassin (639396) | about a year and a half ago | (#42888219)

Basically he's saying that it's OK to rip the layout and the source code of a web site if you change the logo.

Lets pirate some movies but change the name of the movie and change the name in the video file itself. Done deal.... were free to pirate.

Re:Interview of Executive Director of TTVK (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42889143)

- I don't know the technology so good that I can comment on that question.

And there you have the real and present problem. Executives and managers who do not understand the technologies with which, by definition, they should be absolute experts in understanding.

Let's see how would have come up:

EXECUTIVE: I want a site that looks just like TPB so we can show how bad copying is and the alternatives.
MIDLEVEL MANAGER: Uh, sir, I think that blatant imatation of their style might tread on their Intellectual Property.
EXECUTIVE: But I want a site that looks just like TPB so we can show how bad copying is and the alternatives. Maybe change a graphic or two.
MIDLEVEL MANAGER: OK, I can see how you'd like that, but first perhaps we should research if we are infinging on any copyrights?
EXEUCTIVE: I will not say it again: I want a site that looks identical to TPB in three days.

later

MIDLEVEL MANAGER: OK, dev team, we need to create a website that looks exactly like TPB but promotes our agenda.
TECHS: *blank stares*
MIDLEVEL MANAGER: The boss is real hot on this, so get it done in three days.
TECHS: While we can make a site identical to it, that cannot occur in three days.
MIDLEVEL MANAGER: Well, I must present it to the boss for final approval in two days, so get it done.
TECHS: OK. The only way that can happen is if we lift and copy that code. May be legal by Finnish law, and they may not copyright their site, but it sure goes against the spirit of DMCA and common sense for an organization looking to protect IP rights.
MIDLEVEL MANAGER: Look, just get it done. I don't know or understand the technology, so just make it happen.

Later

EXECUTIVE, looking at side-by-side: Wow, that's amazing. Heckuva job, Brownie!

Code IED (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885157)

I wonder...

Would it be possible to code your website to serve up a particularly vicious trojan or other form of malware if the system detects a connection from a specific IP address?

In such a way that nobody else who goes to the site will get hit, only the target you designate?

Re:Code IED (1)

dragon-file (2241656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886721)

Yea, it's called a black list redirect.

Re:Code IED (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886829)

One could clearly do that, but the identification would need to be by, as you said, IP address. And that's not specific to an individual...certainly not over a long period of time. Static IP addresses almost don't exist any longer (unless you are using v6). And if an ISP uses a NAT, then it would hit the customers of that ISP almost at random.

IOW, yes, you can, but it's a really bad idea.

derivative work for promotional purposes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885175)

now this is a creative derivative work to promote TPB

WRONG (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885247)

They say that legal content is just a click away (google translate). Not true TPB CSS was one click back.

Obligatory Simpsons. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885281)

The ironing is delicious.

First sentence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885283)

How hard is it to press the "." key once in a while?

Re:First sentence (1)

dragon-file (2241656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886745)

Very, puctuationisthedestroyerofworkflow.

Tribalism (2)

Warhawke (1312723) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885285)

The concept of "fighting fire with fire" is little more than an extension of tribalism. At that point, you're no longer sticking to altruistic standards but simply advocating a formless "us vs. them."

Re:Tribalism (2)

jovius (974690) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885517)

True. The url was chosen because of a proxy for the real thing is http://www.piraattilahti.org./ [www.piraattilahti.org] TPB is uneffectively blocked by a court order, which doesn't even include all of the TBP owned url's directing to the main site.

One subfolder of the .fi spoof page even includes an ad script of TPB... Well copied :)

Re:Tribalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885553)

The concept of "fighting fire with fire" is little more than an extension of tribalism. At that point, you're no longer sticking to altruistic standards but simply advocating a formless "us vs. them."

The problem is that most anti-piracy groups would find themselves on the wrong side with this approach. What are they trying to accomplish?

Re:Tribalism (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886911)

Not really. The *concept* of "fighting fire with fire" is taken from forestry management, where a backfire is used to deny the original fire the fuel it needs to grow. It can be very tricky to manage, but if done properly, it's quite effective.

So if what they're doing it providing free access to the works that TPB is alleged to be illegally distributing, then "fighting fire with fire" is a valid metaphor. Even to the point of having lots of inherent dangers.

Note that this is quite distinct from (and orthogonal to?) "us against them". Certainly neither concept excludes the other. Or inherently includes it either.

OTOH, I don't believe the copying of the web site is legal, no matter what the spokesman says. But that's another matter.

The situation is sickening.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885295)

How a request from a lobby group means the police will investigate and seize your equipment with no proof. Just a request.

And as a sugar coating on top, they will say that it would be easier to just pay up the ransom you got in the mail from A LOBBY GROUP.

Silly Question (2)

skywire (469351) | about a year and a half ago | (#42885343)

>Of course one interesting question is, how on Earth did they manage to pirate thepiratebay content, considering that they managed to get court orders for major ISP's to censor access to thepiratebay?

No; not interesting, and certainly not worth the breathless hyperbole.

Not Slashdotted yet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885467)

Where's the Slashdot effect [wikipedia.org] when you need it?

WHO CARES? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885661)

The Internet is pathetically boring. Slashdot sucks.

Re:WHO CARES? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885805)

Aww...you need a hug.

In the west internet rob you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885751)

In best Russian accent.

Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42885827)

"Pirated" a CSS file? Scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one?

Read up on "Hoist on your own petard". (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42886445)

The copyright cartels insist that TPB is only used for piracy and everyone who retrieves from TPB is necessarily a pirate.

These people then go to TPB (bypassing the ruling they demanded to block the site) and downloaded stuff from TPB.

By their own PR, they are now pirates.

Re:Read up on "Hoist on your own petard". (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42888075)

Swap "copyright infringement" for "piracy" and so forth below if you're going to get upset over the use of terminology that has been around for over half a century.

Funny, I hadn't heard that. The version I've heard is that TPB exists to facilitate piracy (which, given their name and policies, is a bit hard to refute) and therefore must be shut down. I've never heard any blanket statements like "everyone who retrieves from TPB is necessarily a pirate" except from people like you putting words in the mouths of others. It's quite possible to have the first (and take it too far) without the second. Scratch the hyperbole; it is insulting to the intelligent.

Your second line is accurate, if scarcely worth more than an eye-roll in terms of response. TPB expressly permits copying of their stuff. There's no piracy involved there. Similarly, they don't benefit in any way from the re-use of their CSS, so it's hardly a case of aiding a site which seeks to facilitate a crime.

Your third line is predicated on your first, and a mildly generous interpretation of your first at that. Typically if somebody speaks of "retrieving" from TPB, they'd be talking about retrieving information needed to download torrents, not webpage markup information.

Re:Read up on "Hoist on your own petard". (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42888863)

"The version I've heard is that TPB exists to facilitate piracy"

Yes, those who wish to demonise TPB say that.

However, this is not true.

They have suborned the "you are all pirates!!!" whining bollocks from the "content industry" because pirates are cool (so cool, they are not easily distinguished in coolness from ninjas. They wear black. Which is cool).

As to "TBP specifically allows copying", well TPB hosts content that specifically allows copying. However, if TPB is blocked, then this legal content is blocked. And by trying to make accessing TPB a crime, they have, by copying it, committed what they want to be considered a crime.

Its a typical tactic many should be familiar with. (1)

3seas (184403) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886155)

take and claim ownership and then distort.. I.e. how many companies has MS absorbed this way?

Fradulent phising (1)

mjrauhal (144713) | about a year and a half ago | (#42886919)

Given kopimism, it doesn't seem to be copyright piracy - though what with Kotilainen dodging like hell in the interview, the antipiracy folks might not actually realize that ;)

What it is, however, is defrauding the visitor into entering search terms under the pretense that it's the actual Pirate Bay. Could be worse, at least it's not phishing for personal information, but they do get a list of IPs with entered search terms (often for something you'd rather the antipiracy folks wouldn't know).

Re:Fradulent phising (1)

Lazere (2809091) | about a year and a half ago | (#42887045)

Actually, considering they got a ruling saying TPB was pirating, and this site is performing the same function as TPB, by the ruling, they are pirating.

Re:Fradulent phising (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42888109)

This site runs a torrent tracker for files known to be under a copyright license that doesn't permit free redistribution? Wow, I had no idea...

Or did you mean "runs a site with some CSS and a search box that does something if you enter search terms for potentially copyrighted downloadable files"? Because I don't think that's the "function" of TPB that anybody else, including the courts, were referring to.

Arson, terrorism and jaywalking (2)

91degrees (207121) | about a year and a half ago | (#42887243)

So, let me get this right... If I put a winnie the pooh sticker on my laptop and claim it belongs to my kid, copyright law doesn't apply to me. CSS takes as much time and effort to produce and is as directly profitable as movies, and that there aren't other ways to access the pirate bay.

Is it a slow news day? Honestly this just seems like an attempt to dig up new dirt on the media cartels. And it comes across as pretty desperate.

Re:Arson, terrorism and jaywalking (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887591)

So, let me get this right... CSS takes as much time and effort to produce and is as directly profitable as movies

Man, making movies is waaay easier than CSS. When was the last time you heard a director complain that his new flick is Gone With the Wind on Sony TVs and Terminator 2 on Panasonics?

And don't get me started about profitability. Of course movies are more profitable. See how CSS authors need way more protection than movie makers? They endure such hardship and then make hardly any money!

Re:Arson, terrorism and jaywalking (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42907417)

So, let me get this right... CSS takes as much time and effort to produce and is as directly profitable as movies

Were you living under a rock? Of course CSS takes as much time and effort to produce as a copy of a movie, that's how DVDs work! Furthermore, to hear the "rights holders" tell it, CSS is directly responsible for the profitability of movies. That's why we have DMCA legislation in place specifically to make it illegal to crack DRM like CSS. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Arson, terrorism and jaywalking (1)

cybernanga (921667) | about a year and a half ago | (#42917949)

CSS != CSS

The stolen CSS in question: Cascading Style Sheets (used for styling web pages)

DVD CSS: Content Scramble System (used for protecting content on DVD's)

Also making a movie entails much more time, effort and manpower than either of the CSS's above which could feasibly both be created by a lone coder in a dark basement ;-)

DMCA Target (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42887327)

I'm not sure what analogs Finalnd may have, but this would be a prime target for a DMCA takedown request with 3 side dishses of irony.

Re:DMCA Target (2)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42888139)

If it weren't for the fact that TPB expressly permits copying their content, you mean? Less irony, more "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll point any laugh anyhow!"

Kopimism doesn't erase infringement (5, Interesting)

mjrauhal (144713) | about a year and a half ago | (#42887701)

It has been pointed out that due to the Pirate Bay page being under Kopimism, there is no infringement. This turns out not to be quite true.

Ville Oksanen, cofounder of EFFI (the Finnish version of EFF) and a lawyer specializing in technology and media law, comments as follows: "In Finland you cannot give up your moral rights and Matti Nikki's parody-judgement was based specifically on violaiton of moral rights. I think that TPB just issues a sarcastic reaction but technically TTVK ry is indeed likely to break law here."

Moral rights can come into play when material is used in opposition to the moral standards of the original authors. Parody is not at all protected under the strict reading of the law, though in practice there is some (yet weak) protection under a supreme court ruling.

So yeah, there is every reason, even with a recent similar case with a guilty verdict, to think that the Finnish version of copyright law was indeed broken by the good antipiracy folks. At the very least they're operating on extremely gray area, which is not very flattering for their ilk either.

Ville's Google Plus post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103784989123292634015/posts/XeLSWAjcCLw [google.com]

Re:Kopimism doesn't erase infringement (0)

Whibla (210729) | about a year and a half ago | (#42889489)

In Finland you cannot give up your moral rights

Copyright is not a moral right. It is not morally right to deny others the 'ability' to copy the material in question for a period of, potentially, a hundred years or more, and certainly much longer than the lifespan of the flesh and blood creator of that material.

It is a legal right, and nothing more.

If anything it is the current laws on copyright which are immoral...

Re:Kopimism doesn't erase infringement (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42891415)

Your right, but you misinterpreted the OP. You have a right to the protection of your message from parody or fair use if your using it to portray a moral standpoint on an issue.

The anti-piracy people are violating this ruling because TPB is based on a moral principle, not a legal one =)

Its a bit like not being allowed to make Jesus into a jew in the legal sense. But if Jesus was originally selling hotdogs instead of a major part of a religion, then this would be ok.

Re:Kopimism doesn't erase infringement (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42892931)

Note that: A) Finland (along with other countries) doesn't strictly speaking have copyright; they have *authorship rights*, ie a set of rights awarded to you as an author. The right to limit copying of your work is one of those rights. This right can be sold, transferred or waived. B) A *different* "authorship right" is something that the law more or less explicitly calls "moral right" and this is something that you *can't* waive. This protects your right to not have your work used in a manner that you disagree with. This right is independent of whether the copying of your work was legal.

So it doesn't matter whether you think copyright is a moral right. Finnish laws DOES award something called moral rights to authors, and that is what the post you commented referred to.

REALLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42888473)

So they think it's okay to do it to others, but not themselves.

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