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Windows 7 RTM Support Ending Soon

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the is-7-prime? dept.

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jones_supa writes with this news from Ars Technica: "Windows 7 users will have to install Service Pack 1 if they want to continue to receive security fixes and other support beyond April 9th. With the release of a Service Pack, Microsoft's policy is to support the old version for two years. Windows 7 Service Pack 1 was released on 22nd February, 2011, so the phasing out of support is happening more or less on schedule. In spite of a growing number of post-Service Pack 1 fixes and updates, Microsoft has shown no signs of shipping a second Service Pack. Should Service Pack 1 be the sole major update for Windows 7, it will continue to receive mainstream support — which encompasses both security updates, non-security bugfixes, and free phone support — until 13th January 2015. Extended support — security fixes and paid incidents only — will continue until 14th January 2020."

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you are an idiot (5, Insightful)

arbiter1 (1204146) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920405)

If you don't have service pack 1 installed you are an idiot anyway to run a non-updated system.

Re:you are an idiot (5, Informative)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920435)

Well just because you're on Windows 7 RTM doen not mean that you're not updated. Windows 7 RTM receives security updates since it is still a supported version of Windows 7, but you should install SP1 in order to keep receiving them after April 9. Windows 7 RTM and Windows 7 SP1 lives side by side in parallel, and the release of SP1 did not mean that RTM stopped receiving updates.

Re:you are an idiot (3, Insightful)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920573)

And I always thought "service pack" was just Microsoft slang for "patch roll-up." Apparently I was wrong. In this case, I don't see why Microsoft continues to develop two separate lines of what is basically the exact same OS, patch by patch. Sure, help the businesses that want time to test... fine, but it's still stupid to maintain two bases for so long, when they are essentially the same damn thing. It's more likely that third party programs are going to fuck up on you, and in my experience that does seem to be where the problems often lie.

Re:you are an idiot (5, Informative)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920605)

A service pack will often include some new features, and has actually sometimes removed features. For example Windows XP SP2 removed the support for raw sockets. A service pack can introduce braking changes. That's why there is a fairly large overlap between the old and new service release.

Re:you are an idiot (4, Funny)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920763)

A service pack can introduce braking changes.

A reason to not run Windows in moving vehicles...

Coding on the bus without Windows (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921111)

A reason to not run Windows in moving vehicles...

So if I want to write and test code while riding the bus to and from work, what should I be using instead of Windows? Are MacBook Air and System76 the only options?

Re:Coding on the bus without Windows (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921223)

Woosh to you -- he was making fun of your homophone error. Brake != break.

Re:Coding on the bus without Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921353)

System 76 uses NVIDIA hardware which makes it not a very good Linux machine.

Re:you are an idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921813)

A service pack can introduce braking changes.

A reason to not run Windows in moving vehicles...

Unless you want them to stop them from moving forward. Windows is great that stopping progression....

Re:you are an idiot (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921209)

XP SP2 also broke support for a couple motherboard chipsets. They never worked on SP2 or higher.

Re:you are an idiot (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921211)

A service pack can introduce braking changes.

Well, this notebook seems slower after every patch tuesday. They all brake. Sometimes it even breaks stuff, once an XP update broke my LAN driver.

Re:you are an idiot (2)

jjjhs (2009156) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920601)

Microsoft releases countless hotfixes for bugs for Windows that aren't released through Windows Update. They maintain separate branches, one is just security fixes that you get in Windows Updates and one is cumulative bug fixes that also includes security fixes (QFE) but you have to visit the particular KB article to download (in some cases request for free). Windows Update is smart, if you download the bug fix + security fix (QFE) it knows to install a newer QFE version of the file. Service packs incorporate bugs fixes AND security fixes, and maybe native support for more hardware. A lot of people don't know they need a particular bugfix for their hardware combo. All they know is Windows crashes, "Micro$oft sux" and Steve Jobs is God and shat gold.

Re:you are an idiot (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920637)

But IIRC not every patch that is in a Windows SP gets released as a separate patch in Windows Update, there are some that can only be found by hunting through the KBs which frankly is a bigger pain in the ass than just installing the SP. Honestly I've installed a shitload of Windows 7 systems since SP1 and I haven't run into a single problem with it yet, granted I use WSUS Offline so I don't have to reboot a dozen times but at the end of the day all that matters is if the system is 100% after the SP and so far knock on plastic every one has been which is more than I could say for XP SP3.

And speaking of XP at least it made a little sense why some would wait on those SPs and some software took awhile to be updated to the tighter security of SP2 and SP3 so you had more of a risk of software failing not to mention the SP itself could go wrong and take a dump on the OS. So far I just haven't seen that with win 7 SP1, the few people I saw online with trouble had already infected systems which naturally tried to screw up patching but on a clean system SP1 works quite well.

Finally if you want to have Win 7 fully supported until 2020 you just have to accept you'll have to apply the SP as MSFT has always only provided 2 years past the SP before killing support for pre-SP and that goes all the way back to Win2K IIRC. Considering what a crapfest Win 8 has turned out to be I have a feeling a LOT of folks are gonna skip it and maybe even 9 as well if ballmer still has a stiffie for the ipad so you might as well accept that if you don't want an unpatched system you're just gonna have to do it. Now if we can only get MSFT to release an SP2 so we don't have to have WSUS Offline throw dozens of patches at the system after applying SP1 I'd be a happy camper.

Re:you are an idiot (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920599)

Why is this flamebait? Do you know how many security patches are in the average Windows SP? I'm sorry but anybody who has waited this long and not applied SP1 is indeed an idiot because every script kiddie on the planet uses those patches and SPs to reverse engineer new exploits specifically targeting fools that don't update the thing.

That said just because you need to apply an SP or a shitload of patches doesn't mean you have to do it the stupid way, not when there is WSUS Offline [wsusoffline.net] which will let you download and unattended install the service pack AND all the patches AND all the .NET updates AND any MS Office SPs and updates from 2K3-2K10 AND update DirectX AND Silverlight AND Windows media player AND Ineternet explorer, all at once and unattended. Granted if you are doing a clean install of RTM you'll probably have to run it twice of be sure to turn off UAC until you are done as it can't reboot and re-run itself with UAC on but for all the benefits of having everything done automatically while you go have lunch its well worth that tiny bit of effort.

So there really is no excuse as between WSUS and Ninite [ninite.com] for all your third party stuff unattended, like flash, hulu, your choice of several browsers and AVs, etc you can take a bare drive and have a fully loaded fully patched Win 7 system in less than an hour and a half with you only being required for maybe 5 clicks all told, everything is taken care of.

So I'm sorry but the parent is right, anybody that doesn't install SP1 is an idiot, they might as well turn off their firewall and take their unpatched IE and start surfing dodgy websites because they are frankly asking for it.

Re:you are an idiot (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920621)

Windows 7 RTM is NOT unpatched. It receives security updates just like any other supported version of Windows. See above discussion. If you read TFA you see that what it's all about is that RTM will soon no longer receive those updates.

Re:you are an idiot (1)

jjjhs (2009156) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920837)

Service packs are more than just security updates.

Re:you are an idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920955)

The poster talks specifically about script kiddies and exploits.

Re:you are an idiot (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921749)

so what? what purpose do these "extra features" serve for someone already getting all the functionality they need? why not just stick with security patches instead of layering on bloat?

It WON'T in 1 instance (read)... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920941)

Happened to me, hence, why I got into the tool hairyfeet noted -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3466197&cid=42920911 [slashdot.org]

* YES, believe-it-or-not, that happened to me (w/ BOTH the genuinecheck.exe tool MS makes you use to validate your copy of Windows isn't "pirated" AND also Windows Update itself...)

HOWEVER - otherwise? I am completely with you, that Windows Update SHOULD have patched most anyone online (offline of course, won't do it, but then again by the same token on the "flip-side of the coin"? They don't have to worry that much about remoted threats like botnets either!)...

Again - That is, unless they "hit" what I did & yes, I've seen others hit it too, especially for "genuinecheck.exe"... which I spotted when it stopped for me also!

(I did what I did, for the RIGHT reasons on security... however, it doesn't mix with some MS sites, or Adobe ones either (& a couple others over time I hit)).

APK

P.S.=> Took me a hell of a long time to figure out & determine, but, I finally did... & yes/once more, stressing it:

I've seen others online complain of it also!

So, odds are, they are running a NAT stateful packet inspecting firewall as I do (for the right reasons) with THOSE filter rules in place operating, which unfortunately, stall out access to SOME sites!

(I suspect they're either CDN's, or, use JAVA, or ActiveX if not some form of cookie too - the rules I use (all of them) are "Filter Proxy" (hence CDN imo @ least), "Filter Cookies" (they probably MAKE you take these to get stats etc.), "Filter JAVA" (for obvious reasons, since it's SO security-flaw ridden lately, which hopefully gets FULLY patched soon 4 days from now -> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/02/12/oracle-on-java-we-will-have-patch-tuesday-after-all/?utm_source=Naked+Security+-+Sophos+List&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=28ab144f68-naked%252Bsecurity [sophos.com] ), & lastly, also "Filter ActiveX" (again, for obvious reasons for security)...

... apk

Re:you are an idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920905)

Why is this flamebait? Do you know how many security patches are in the average Windows SP? I'm sorry but anybody who has waited this long and not applied SP1 is indeed an idiot because every script kiddie on the planet uses those patches and SPs to reverse engineer new exploits specifically targeting fools that don't update the thing.

That said just because you need to apply an SP or a shitload of patches doesn't mean you have to do it the stupid way, not when there is WSUS Offline [wsusoffline.net] which will let you download and unattended install the service pack AND all the patches AND all the .NET updates AND any MS Office SPs and updates from 2K3-2K10 AND update DirectX AND Silverlight AND Windows media player AND Ineternet explorer, all at once and unattended. Granted if you are doing a clean install of RTM you'll probably have to run it twice of be sure to turn off UAC until you are done as it can't reboot and re-run itself with UAC on but for all the benefits of having everything done automatically while you go have lunch its well worth that tiny bit of effort.

So there really is no excuse as between WSUS and Ninite [ninite.com] for all your third party stuff unattended, like flash, hulu, your choice of several browsers and AVs, etc you can take a bare drive and have a fully loaded fully patched Win 7 system in less than an hour and a half with you only being required for maybe 5 clicks all told, everything is taken care of.

So I'm sorry but the parent is right, anybody that doesn't install SP1 is an idiot, they might as well turn off their firewall and take their unpatched IE and start surfing dodgy websites because they are frankly asking for it.

Let's be realistic here with your last comment. Running Windows is frankly asking for it.

Especially when you have to go through all that bullshit just so you can finally answer "Yes" to the person who's been waiting 3 hours to finally get online after you rebuilt their (infected) computer from scratch.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, you better install anti-malware, anti-spyware, and anti-virus too. Oh, and don't forget to patch those too. Yeah, just tell the user to come back in another hour or two. It might be ready by then.

Re:you are an idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920977)

The stupid little cunts who run windows will always be stupid little cunts. They deserve to crash and burn. Don't fix their damned machines. They're just going to get infected all over again and becomes DDOS bots. Windows users should be neutered.

Who's stupid here? Take a read... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921015)

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3466197&cid=42920999 [slashdot.org]

* Get real...

APK

P.S.=> Know what "kills" you "Pro-*NIX" types online? FUD... pure "FUD" just like what you just spouted in fact!

... apk

No - YOU be realistic (vs. documented facts) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920999)

"Let's be realistic here with your last comment. Running Windows is frankly asking for it." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16, @06:24AM (#42920905)

WTF? The ONLY reason, say, Linux isn't as 'exploited', is because it's NOT used as much - FACT!

Basically - THIS is a solid rule:

What's MOST USED, will be MOST EXPLOITED on ANY given computing platform - on smartphones, since Android "rules" there, displacing Apple's iOS in terms of most used worldwide, PROVES it... if you don't agree? "Argue with the numbers"... good luck!

See, & IF you *think* about it, especially from a 'criminal point-of-view' in their motivations (which is MONEY &/or INFORMATION nowadays)? It makes TOTAL sense (from their perspective, which is "dollar$ & cent$").

They're NO different than pickpockets targetting crowds, where 1 shotgun blast takes out a LOT of folks, instead of targetting only 1 individual...

E.G.-> Pickpockets frequent & operate in crowded streets, malls, bus & train stations come to mind as the throughfares they exploit, where MORE folks are to target... think about it, & "channel your inner criminal" (since it's the ONLY way to outfox an opponent of THAT nature, you have to THINK as they do & understand their motivations by looking @ their modus operandi - & criminals, are CRIMINALS, online or offline...).

Anyhow/anyways:

So - What proves that statement FOR me?

Easy - Android does!

(AND, yes, it IS a Linux variant since it uses a Linux kernel)...

In fact - See my p.s. below on THAT note too, since Linux has around a 50/50 split with Windows machines on servers worldwide too (some of the documented stuff from the past 2++ yrs. now proves that much for me again, too). Where Linux gets used more, it gets attacked, no questions asked. Same with MacOS X - hence, why Apple cut the crap on the "we don't get viruses" on TV, & changed it to "pc viruses" but they have their share now too since their marketshare/userbase went up (due to outright lies & bullshit marketers used above, pure "1/2 truths galore", nothing less!).

"Oh yeah, almost forgot, you better install anti-malware, anti-spyware, and anti-virus too. Oh, and don't forget to patch those too. Yeah, just tell the user to come back in another hour or two. It might be ready by then." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16, @06:24AM (#42920905)

No, you're not TRULY "ready", until you "security-harden" your Windows setup, thus (by "yours truly" & I wrote the VERY 1st GUIDE for truly securing Windows, since 1997 online, owards - this is its final evolution from 2008) -> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&btnG=Submit&gbv=1&sei=G3IfUcekOefG0AHihoHgCA [google.com]

(Same goes for Linux/SeLinux in its defaults, or MacOS X either - CIS tool works for Linux as it does for Windows and SHOWS YOU THAT MUCH in fact, & in a fun to use tool no less, almost like doing a benchmark for speed, albeit instead, for BETTER security, especially online + MacOS X has guides for doing it BETTER than it ships by default too, straight from Apple no less!).

Put it THIS way, with evidences:

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To "immunize" a Windows system, I effectively use the principles in "layered security" possibles!

http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&form=QBRE [bing.com]

I.E./E.G.-> I have done so since 1997-1998 with the most viewed, highly rated guide online for Windows security there really is which came from the fact I also created the 1st guide for securing Windows, highly rated @ NEOWIN (as far back as 1998-2001) here:

http://www.neowin.net/news/apk-a-to-z-internet-speedup--security-text [neowin.net]

& from as far back as 1997 -> http://web.archive.org/web/20020205091023/www.ntcompatible.com/article1.shtml [archive.org] which Neowin above picked up on & rated very highly.

That has evolved more currently, into the MOST viewed & highly rated one there is for years now since 2008 online in the 1st URL link above...

Which has well over 500,000++ views online (actually MORE, but 1 site with 75,000 views of it went offline/out-of-business) & it's been made either:

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1.) An Essential Guide
2.) 5-5 star rated
3.) A "sticky-pinned" thread
4.) Most viewed in the category it's in (usually security)
5.) Got me PAID by winning a contest @ PCPitStop (quite unexpectedly - I was only posting it for the good of all, & yes, "the Lord works in mysterious ways", it even got me PAID -> http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/ [pcpitstop.com] (see January 2008))

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Across 15-20 or so sites I posted it on back in 2008... & here is the IMPORTANT part, in some sample testimonials to the "layered security" methodology efficacy:

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SOME QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2 [xtremepccentral.com]

"I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

"APK, thanks for such a great guide. This would, and should, be an inspiration to such security measures. Also, the pc that has "tweaks": IS STILL GOING! NO PROBLEMS!" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=3 [xtremepccentral.com]

"Its 2009 - still trouble free! I was told last week by a co worker who does active directory administration, and he said I was doing overkill. I told him yes, but I just eliminated the half life in windows that you usually get. He said good point. So from 2008 till 2009. No speed decreases, its been to a lan party, moved around in a move, and it still NEVER has had the OS reinstalled besides the fact I imaged the drive over in 2008. Great stuff! My client STILL Hasn't called me back in regards to that one machine to get it locked down for the kid. I am glad it worked and I am sure her wallet is appreciated too now that it works. Speaking of which, I need to call her to see if I can get some leads. APK - I will say it again, the guide is FANTASTIC! Its made my PC experience much easier. Sandboxing was great. Getting my host file updated, setting services to system service, rather than system local. (except AVG updater, needed system local)" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

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Even from your "/. peers" who have uprated my posts on it here, over time:

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* THE APK SECURITY GUIDE GROUP 20++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154868&cid=12988150 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168931&cid=14083927 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURE SETUP FOR IP STACK:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14211084 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14210206 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY TEST CHALLENGE LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=267599&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20203061 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&no_d2=1&cid=25092677 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1027095&cid=25747655 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&cid=25093275 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE: 2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&no_d2=1&cid=25092677 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416702&cid=22026982 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1361585&cid=29360367 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1218837&cid=27787281 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1135717&cid=26941781 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1885890&cid=34358316 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1638428&cid=32070500 [slashdot.org]
APK SYSTEM TUNING:2010 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497268&cid=30649722 [slashdot.org]
APK SYSTEM TUNING:2010 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497268&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30649722 [slashdot.org]
MICROSOFT SECURITY:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546446&cid=31106612 [slashdot.org]
SECURITY HARDENING WINDOWS: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3458687&cid=42887951 [slashdot.org]

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* :)

APK

P.S.=> NOW, finally, as to Linux for example being "exploited" online, & ESPECIALLY ANDROID? Here goes:

2012:

New Linux Rootkit Emerges:

https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-linux-rootkit-emerges-112012 [threatpost.com]

"A new Linux rootkit has emerged and researchers who have analyzed its code and operation say that the malware appears to be a custom-written tool designed to inject iframes into Web sites and drive traffic to malicious sites for drive-by download attacks. The rootkit is designed specifically for 64-bit Linux systems."

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'FIRST ever' Linux, Mac OS X-only password sniffing virus spotted:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/29/linux_mac_trojan/ [theregister.co.uk]

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Medicaid hack update: 500,000 records and 280,000 SSNs stolen:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/medicaid-hack-update-500000-records-and-280000-ssns-stolen/11444 [zdnet.com]

So, what's dts.utah.gov running everyone?

LINUX (and yes, it got HACKED) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dts.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

What's health.utah.gov running too??

YOU GUESSED IT: LINUX AGAIN -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=health.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

* Ah, yes - see the YEARS OF /. "BS" FUD is CRUMBLING AROUND THE PENGUINS EARS HERE & 2012's starting out just like 2011 did below!

===

2011:

KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (that's VERY bad - do you trust it now?)

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised [slashdot.org]

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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/ [theregister.co.uk]

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Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware [slashdot.org]

What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com [netcraft.com]

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London Stock Exchange serving malware:

http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware [slashdot.org]

(I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch [slashdot.org] , & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)

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DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers [slashdot.org]

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Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach:

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/11/1325212/linux-foundation-linuxcom-sites-down-to-fix-security-breach [slashdot.org]

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Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok: (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl [netcraft.com]

The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:

http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/ [itproafrica.com]

&

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-after-web-server-attack-120811 [threatpost.com]

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The Stratfor SECURITY hack: (can't blame it on poor setup, this IS a security firm that uses Linux)

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1743201/data-exposed-in-stratfor-compromise-analyzed [slashdot.org]

What's that domain run? Yes kids - you guessed it: LINUX -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stratfor.com [netcraft.com]

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Phishers/Spammers FAVOR attacking LAMP: (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/domains_lamped/ [theregister.co.uk]

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Phishers compromise LAMP-based websites for days at a time and hit the same victims over and over again, according to an Anti-Phishing Working Group survey. Sites built on Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP are the favoured targets of phishing attackers"

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Toss ANDROID (yes, a Linux since it uses a Linux kernel) in also, since it's being "shredded" on the mobile phone security-front rampantly for years now?

* You get the picture... along with the fact that YES, there ARE BOTNETS, VIRUSES, TROJANS, and more, ON LINUX - as well as it being THE FAVORED TARGET of spammers/phishers, shown just above and here on botnets:

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Linux webserver botnet pushes malware - Attack of the open source zombies

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/12/linux_zombies_push_malware/ [theregister.co.uk]

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Plenty of the "Fortune 100-500" run Windows Servers 24x7 non-stop in "Fabled '5-9's" uptime too!

(Would you like a listing of some of them? Just ask - & "ye shall receive"...)

Linux Security Blunders DOMINATE in 2011-2012, despite all /. "FUD" for years saying "Linux = SECURE" (what "b.s."/FUD that's turning out to be, especially on ANDROID where it can't hide by "security-by-obscurity" anymore & is in the hands of non-tech users galore - & EXPLOITS ARE EXPLODING ON ANDROID, nearly daily)

... apk

THAT's the ticket man, lol... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920911)

Hairyfeet's right enough - however, Windows Update, slow as it can be on a slower internet connection especially, SHOULD technically have long ago patched these unpatched Win7 rigs out there, & IF they're online @ all, that is!

How/Why? Well - SP1 is USUALLY the 2nd file it hauls down & installs is how + why!

Right after 1 smaller one JUST prior to it (that makes SP1 "taking", possible - can't recall WHICH specific one it is just now, but I had to determine that during our discussions of this before).

Thus - It should be there ANYHOW... I really can't SEE how it couldn't be.

(Plus, face it guys (to all reading), & IF they're not online @ all, running thus non-SP1 patched? They're really not in much danger from remotely-oriented threats (such as MOST "malware-in-general" is, today & for a long time now - even IF/WHEN you were to say, load it from an infested USB stick or other media? It can't "talk back to mama" either, as in botnet C&C servers, so that type of threat would be "neutralized" anyways...)).

Anyhow/anyways: I owe hairyfeet 1, since turned me on to WSUS offline update it's really "good stuff"!

So I owe him + the guy that built it one, & a "dedicated tune" too, lol (see p.s. below on that note, a musical one)...

* On a 'side-note' - Hairyfeet, recall our email exchange on this, when I discovered that my firewall's security setup options for filtering STOPPED the "genuinecheck.exe" from MS, making me *assume* it was broken or no longer supported by MS?

(Yea - dumb of me, but we ALL "jump to conclusions" now & then, right?)

I was wrong/off... it was that SAME firewall filtering stalling it out - I won't run without that though, no way.

In short - that filtering was ALSO stalling out Windows Update itself for me!

Took me a bit to determine that, too... oh well, eventually, I did & am only NOW giving you some "feedback" on that note, since you often have to support others in their hassles, PC-wise, & *may* see it again with others...

(Tit-for-Tat return of favor essentially, for showing me WSUS update - It "Rocks the Party, Rocks the Body", lol, per the tune below...).

APK

P.S.=> A tune for you & the guy that wrote up the WSUS Update tool (been getting into it the past couple days now, it's catchy, & combines a form of music I have always liked, with a "more modern one", imo - & I think of it as something for folks that do cool things for others) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwgnNa0PLWg [youtube.com] - enjoy!

... apk

Re:you are an idiot (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921419)

every script kiddie on the planet uses those patches and SPs to reverse engineer new exploits

>Pictures script kiddies with actual engineering skills *shudder*

Hairyfeet - ya 'get the best o penguins'? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42922121)

They use "effete retaliation"' in bogus downmods -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3466197&cid=42920999 [slashdot.org]

* :)

However - nothing validly disproving my points noted there either, as usual!

(EVERY single time... lol!)

APK

P.S.=> THAT'S WHEN YOU JUST KNOW YOU'VE GOT THEM "on the ropes", beaten & BLOWN the hell away, lmao... yes, they never, EVER, fail to FAIL!

... apk

Re:you are an idiot (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920863)

If you don't have service pack 1 installed you are an idiot anyway to run a non-updated system.

Yeah, because we all know that running Windows in an offline environment or closed network is an impossible scenario.

Seems I've got over a dozen of those impossibilities running right now.

As far as who is the bigger idiot, I'll leave that to the security community as to which one of us is more vulnerable (or gullible); You online with your "updated" system (which has historically protected Windows so well), or me offline with my outdated system.

Good luck out there with your "mighty" Defender shield.

Re:you are an idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920945)

You're an idiot if you run any version of any microsoft product. Get off the net you rotten little cunts.

Re:you are an idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921069)

...says an AC.

Re:you are an idiot (2)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921193)

Yup, I mean preaching about not being able to get updates to people who haven't updated their system is a bit - redundant.

Re:you are an idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921213)

> If you don't have service pack 1 installed you are an idiot anyway to run a non-updated system.

100% agreed.

I say further: you're an idiot if you run windows; but, I have one idiot of the kind in the family. No problem, we got her a W7 noteb so she could be independent of her father and Linux (and dependent on a foreign corporation with "excellent support" to its users).

Well, turns out "excellent support" means IE9 won't install (it fails on automatic update). From previous experiences, I know the maker of the note will say they only support the original installation (I had once to restore and remove all service packs to get support -- which didn't work after all!). M$ btw simply will forward me to the maker as only supporter of OEM installations -- which means, bottom line, no support.

(please note the intentional "$" sign, and if you don't like it, well, you know the drill)

I post this as a warning to other victims of this scam.

Re:you are an idiot (3, Informative)

egamma (572162) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921715)

If you don't have service pack 1 installed you are an idiot anyway to run a non-updated system.

There was almost zero benefits in SP1 for the average home user. Users can install all the needed security updates separately; in fact, this is often recommended, to reduce the size of the service pack download. Win7 received SP1 because Server 2008R2 needed the contents of the service pack.Here's what's in it for Win7:
Additional support for communication with third-party federation services (those supporting the WS-Federation passive profile protocol)
Improved HDMI audio device performance
Corrected behavior when printing mixed-orientation XPS documents
Change to behavior of “Restore previous folders at logon” functionality
Enhanced support for additional identities in RRAS and IPsec
Support for Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)
Improved Support for Advanced Format (512e) Storage Devices (devices with 4kb physical sectors)

looks like (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920425)

2015 - year of the linux desktop

Re:looks like (4, Funny)

slashdot_commentator (444053) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920603)

Of course, no one is going to notice, since everyone will be using cloud computing accounts.

Re:looks like (-1, Troll)

rts008 (812749) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920791)

Everyone? Not likely, and especially not me.

You don't speak for me, troll....crawl back under your bridge.

Re:looks like (5, Insightful)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920813)

lucky for them much of the cloud is powered by linux

Re:looks like (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920803)

when i read "windows rtm" the first thing that came to mind was "read the manual"

maybe linux ideology is already infiltrating... by stealth :)

Re:looks like (2)

SST-206 (699646) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920971)

when i read "windows rtm" the first thing that came to mind was "read the manual"

The manual? They'll be expecting us to RTFA next! ; )

Re:looks like (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921529)

You know, it could have been... Windows 8 is slow out the gates, it's still stuck in the "other" category on StatCounter which last week was 4.48%, I'm guessing 4% Win8 as there's always been half a percent other while at the same time after release Win7 had 10% uptake. If Linux had been ready this is probably as good a time as the Vista launch. Macs have slowly been chipping away at Windows' market share and will probably take another upswing as Microsoft is busy pushing touch-laptops/tablets/hybrids, while Windows is still dominating with 90% the "other" category is slowly approaching critical mass and the halo effects for Mac from the iPhone/iPad is likely to continue. Unfortunately it looks like we're heading more towards a duopoly instead of a real three-way race.

Of course Android proves it's not the kernel that is the problem, two in three smart phones now ship with a Linux kernel - forked or not. It's what you have running on top that matters and I hope there'll be something similar to take the desktop market with storm, but I'm starting to suspect it will not be Gnome, KDE or Unity. I'm guessing more a desktop spin-off of Android, of course I could be totally wrong but I see three strong "ecosystems" forming with iPhone/iPad/Mac, Windows Phone/Surface/Windows, Android phone/tablet/??? for desktop. Each will try to push their own synergies (buzzword alert) like iCloud and MS Office and so on and I think Google will have to do better than the Chromebook to stay on top. Right now people mix and match but I'm not sure how long that'll last, since they'll all want to use their strengths to reel the other markets in.

Re:looks like (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921573)

You have a very good point. Unfortunatley, "convergence" is still a long way off, since each of the major players excel at screwing it up.
I can't wait for my chip implant, and be done with it.

(groan) (2)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920429)

Now, look, MS... I don't know what's in your mind lately, by I get better support from other [wikipedia.org] operating systems.

Re:(groan) (4, Informative)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920457)

Windows 7 SP1 has been out for nearly three years now. That's a very reasonable time to update, especially since the update is free to Windows 7 RTM users and in general should not break any software compatibility. So I don't get what the problem of dropping support for RTM would be.

Re:(groan) (0)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920555)

Windows 7 SP1 has been out for nearly three years now... So I don't get what the problem of dropping support for RTM would be.

Let me explain loud and clear... whoOOOoosh!
You got it now?

(besides, the OS I pointed to has a stellar [slashdot.org] level of support by comparison)

Re:(groan) (2, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920719)

But you and everyone else is ignoring the elephant in the room, the same one that causes me to this very day to have infected system cross my desk that are still running XP SP2, and that is piracy.

The reason why so many unpatched Windows systems exists is because the pirates kill Windows Updates for fear that their pirated system will get flagged for WGA. Now this is a case where I can't blame MSFT, you can buy an OEM copy of Win 7 Home for around $100 which equals just $14 a year for the life of the OS, so there really is no excuse but being a little shop owner you'd be surprised how many systems you find in yard sales or being sold on CL has Windows Ultimate with updates turned off. Its kinda sad how obvious these pirates are, when you see a system with some old cheap hardware like a Pentium D running an OS that costs 4 times what the system did? Yeah you can be pretty sure its the "Razr1911 Edition" they are using.

But considering the only systems I don't see patched after SP1 was released nearly 3 years ago is pirate systems I just can't blame MSFT for dropping support as pretty much all that is left without SP1 is the pirates it seems.

Re:(groan) (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920821)

But you and everyone else is ignoring the elephant in the room, the same one that causes me to this very day to have infected system cross my desk that are still running XP SP2, and that is piracy.

Au contraire, mon ami, au contraire, I'm not ignoring piracy. In fact, I'm so convinced that copyright should protect honest work that I decided it's better for me to use products not made by MS.

But considering the only systems I don't see patched after SP1 was released nearly 3 years ago is pirate systems I just can't blame MSFT for dropping support as pretty much all that is left without SP1 is the pirates it seems.

(friendly kidding now) Well, has been quite a while since I used a MS OS... but somehow I still can't believe that the pirated systems using MS OSes IS actually a single one - if true, either MS is doing great financially or is totally busted.

Re:(groan) (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921247)

If you're running pirated software you're probably pre-rooted anyway.

Re:(groan) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921893)

You can find md5, sha1 and sha256 from microsoft for the official images.
If someone can make their trojaned ISO match all of those, I tip my hat to them.

I hear the crickets (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920441)

With a micro soft os, you know, it's not hardened.

What exactly is a Service Pack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920443)

For us non-Windows people, could somebody explain please how a Microsoft "Service Pack" update differs from the normal updates which we hear MS issues fairly regularly? Is it just a matter of size that makes it a "Service Pack"?

Re:What exactly is a Service Pack? (4, Informative)

CodeheadUK (2717911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920489)

A service pack is a roll up of all the important and critical updates into one big package. You can apply a service pack to any install to bring it up to that patch level without going through the intermediate stages.

The service packs are often slipstreamed into install media to produce a (fairly) up to date install right off the disk.

Re:What exactly is a Service Pack? (1)

venom8599 (1743286) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920609)

Service packs also typically include hotfixes that may not be rolled out to the community at large, especially hardware-specific hotfixes. Of course, there are also the few Service Packs that actually roll out new features (e.g. Windows XP Service Pack 2)

Re:What exactly is a Service Pack? (3, Insightful)

slashdot_commentator (444053) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920645)

A service pack is a form of configuration management. Think of every binary in the Windows operating system as a program with a version. Microsoft wants to encourage developers to support the latest version of their patched OS. That is, of course, feasibly impossible, especially when some developers are confronted with major behavioral change in one OS program update that their application is dependent upon. So having a "blessed" minimal collection of binary versions makes Microsoft only responsible for those versions. It then becomes incumbent for the developers to make sure their application works to SP1 versions of all those OS programs, and the developers cease to be responsible for making their app work with the original OS binary/daemon that was released with the Windows 7 rollout. (And yes, this is a descriptive simplification of the issue.)

There is more going on with a service pack than just throwing together the latest version of each OS binary. Yes, I wish Microsoft would put out an SP2 already, even if they want to commit corporate suicide by abandoning Windows 7 to get customers to move to Windows 8.

Re:What exactly is a Service Pack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920743)

Thanks for all the responses.

The parent referred to Service Packs as "a form of configuration management". Would it be correct then to consider the 'n' in SP<n> as the minor version number of the OS release? Just like a recent Linux kernel might be at say 3.7.8, ie.<major>.<minor>.<increment> so Windows 7 SP1 is 7.1 and the concept of <increment> is unused by Microsoft?

Re:What exactly is a Service Pack? (2)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920797)

Just like a recent Linux kernel might be at say 3.7.8, ie... so Windows 7 SP1 is 7.1 and the concept of is unused by Microsoft?

No, The Windows kernel does have the concept of <major>.<minor>.<increment>, but it is not the same as the OS version. The version of Windows kernel on the netbook I am using now is 6.1.7601. To the general public, this is Windows 7 (Service Pack 1). It is like how Linux Mint 14 does not use Linux kernel version 14

I think I can make it (4, Insightful)

tsotha (720379) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920447)

I think I can make it to the next bearable version of Windows, assuming they keep following the "every other version is crap" strategy. There's no way I'm every going to buy the mobile operating system they've released for my desktop.

Re:I think I can make it (2)

lennier1 (264730) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920519)

In the meantime, there are always tools like http://www.wsusoffline.net/ [wsusoffline.net] to roll one's own Service Pack 2 in case a new install becomes necessary (English introduction is below the German one).

Re:I think I can make it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921673)

Thank you for this pointer. I was unaware of wsusoffline, and have been dealing with the pains of Windows Update even after installing SP1 offline. I am creating my wsusoffline update DVD as I type this.

Re:I think I can make it (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920833)

won't be long... microsoft knew long ago that w8 was a looming disaster so they'll be frantically trying to make up some new icons for w7 so they can rebrand it as w9.

maybe it'll have some kind of new bastardized desktop icons resulting from a traditional icon having sex with a desktop widget to spawn something like those rediculous tiles in w8... maybe to at least attempt to avoid appearing like a complete backflip

Re:I think I can make it (1)

bazorg (911295) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921411)

There's no way I'm every going to buy the mobile operating system they've released for my desktop.

so you honestly believe that the Metro UI, the app market and the other desktop->mobile OS changes from W7 to W8 will all be temporary and removed in W9? I'd suggest to anyone avoiding Metro to try the Skype and eBay apps in Windows 8 before deciding that W8 and "mobile-ification" is a dead end.

Where is goddamned service pack 2 (5, Informative)

AbRASiON (589899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920517)

I'm one of those "sympathisers" here who doesn't loathe Microsoft.
Hot damn though, anyone here who does install Win7 SP1 regularly (as I do) there's about 2 to 300mb of patches and at least..70 or so of the bastards, they take forever to install as well (disk thrash)

For goodness sakes, just release SP2 already you bastards.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (2)

lennier1 (264730) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920523)

Mentioned it above, but just use http://www.wsusoffline.net/ [wsusoffline.net] to roll your own WP2.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920563)

Is this one of those tools which downloads each individual required MSI / EXE to make an install directory, to install from?
If so - it's still going to thrash the disk, more so than the offiical updater which downloads all, then installs one at a time.

That's a lot of double clicking to install each file sequentially,...... we shouldn't have to do this.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (1)

lennier1 (264730) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920641)

It grabs all the available updates and creates an up-to-date image that can be written to an external media for automated updates.
In the end, it's just like an offline Service Pack, only that you don't need to wait for the guys in Redmond to finally get their asses moving.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (4, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920687)

Nope it only downloads them ONCE and that is it, you can do a thousand installs from that one WSUS Offline install. I keep it on a shared drive with every SP and update from XP-Win 7 and thanks to WSUS this includes the MS Office SPs and updates, .NET installs and patches, WMP and IE patches, all in one simple shared folder. I can even tell it to say "just make me an installer with all the Win 7 patches along with MS Office 2K7 and all the extras and put it on this flash stick" and it'll do so, great little tool to have. And when you run it its all unattended, no having to click each update, and if you turn off UAC while it runs it'll even reboot and do a double check just to make sure there aren't any later patches you need that have to be installed after the SP1 reboot, just handy as hell if you need to install Windows clean.

Of course since I have every version of Windows I see in the shop plus every version of MS Office I see plus all the goodies that shared folder is now 11.3GB but considering I can have it copy just the patches I need for what I'm working on and drive space is cheap i honestly don't care, all that bandwidth used for updating a clean install of Windows is saved so its well worth a lousy 11.3GB on a 500GB shared drive to me.

Just use dism.exe (5, Informative)

benjymouse (756774) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920585)

Use dism.exe. It will let you capture freshly installed machine - even with installed applications - back into an install image, i.e. slipstreaming. From the install image it will work exectly like the original image, only it will have all of the installed service packs, updates and patches already installed.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (1, Funny)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920679)

For goodness sakes, just release SP2 already you bastards.

It's called Windows 8, with the damned awful metro UI removed.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (0, Troll)

AbRASiON (589899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920771)

Why would I help promote bad software?

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921113)

Actually, after Service Pack 1, most of the updates are what I call cumulative updates--the additional patch files are probably going to be less than you think, especially for Internet Explorer and the .NET Framework files.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921275)

I'm one of those "sympathisers" here who doesn't loathe Microsoft... For goodness sakes, just release SP2 already you bastards.

My head just asploded.

Re:Where is goddamned service pack 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921539)

MS is not going to release Win7 SP2, for the simple reason that they are using that lack as a reason to move people to Windows 8. You want support, embrace Metro.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920525)

There's still people who didn't update to SP1? Who would that be other than the few heavily paranoid people and the ones who pirated it?

Re:What? (1)

chromas (1085949) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920595)

Pirates get updates for 7, too.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920967)

Pirates get more than real customers.

They get all the updates without phoning home about their activation status.

Re:What? (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921483)

There sure are, people like me who have a spanking new free copy sitting on a shelf, and a VM that's been moved to an external drive

Read the manual? (0)

tbird81 (946205) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920535)

Are they going to start telling us to RTFM?

Not really news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920549)

October 24th, 2012. Microsoft has no intention to release a new service pack for Windows 7, but the company will instead focus on smaller updates that will be rolled out every month. -- According to The Register citing sources close to Microsoft's sustained engineering team, there are no plans for Windows 7 SP2, which means that Windows 7 users will have to update their operating systems every month until support for this particular version is no longer offered.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Cancels-Windows-7-Service-Pack-2-301719.shtml [softpedia.com]

What about XP? (-1, Redundant)

Dr Herbert West (1357769) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920611)

Is this "service pack 1" mentioned in the summary compatible with my XP installation?

If not, I'll wait for service pack 2 before installing sp1. It's just common sense.

Re:What about XP? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921779)

haha. since windows xp will die april 2014 you'd better buy win 7 and transition over. that's what I've done for the machines in my household that need to run windows, no way I'm supporting that windows 8 crap at home.

Wait what ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920617)

You mean they where releasing security updates for people running SP0 ?!?

Re:Wait what ? (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920661)

You mean they where releasing security updates for people running SP0 ?!?

Absolutely. Since a service pack could break userland applications you want to maintain them side by side for a while so that there is sufficient time for userland to adapt.

Doesn't matter. Windows 8 is still a flop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920721)

Most people will do one of the following:

1) Hold on to their existing version of Windows and not upgrade.
2) Switch to Linux or Mac.

P.S: It's almost time to fire Steve Ballmer.

Re:Doesn't matter. Windows 8 is still a flop (1)

ledow (319597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920811)

Or blindly buy the next version.
Or wait for a newer, better version to be hyped.
Or keep up with service packs to extend the life of the product.

Like they do for Windows XP, which still hasn't properly reached "end of life" in the world yet. If you think nobody bought Vista, 7 or 8, then I'm sorry but you're mistaken. Doesn't mean that that's SENSIBLE, but that's what happens on all scales and in all markets.

MS released Windows 7 Guess I missed it. (0)

eludom (83727) | about a year and a half ago | (#42920835)

The subject says it all. This is here because Slashdot does not allow blank bodies. Guess it's not twitter.

Re:MS released Windows 7 Guess I missed it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921387)

You should try coming out of your momsth basthement sthometimesth, dork.

ONLY service pack for win7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42920851)

there will NOT be another... that would extend microsoft's support obligation for windows 7 and that's something they will NEVER allow.

microsoft absolutely does not want another 'winxp' with 12 years of life in it... even though that is *exactly* what the majority of its customers want.

ReactOS (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921615)

Then perhaps "the majority of its customers" should donate another $20,000 to finish ReactOS Foundation's current round of fundraising [reactos.org] . ReactOS is a project to make an open-source binary-compatible clone of Windows XP.

Re:ONLY service pack for win7 (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921795)

nonsense, look at the support lifecycle web page, win 7 has 11 years planned, vista 10 years.....more or less the lifespan is the same

In 2015 will Win7be like WinXP? (1)

tvlinux (867035) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921085)

When WinXP was at its life cycle, there was only Vista so nobody wanted to upgrade. There was a HUGE customer demand for Microsoft to continue support, and Microsoft listened. With Win8 being a poo pile and I expect Win9 will not be much better. Will Microsoft listen to to the customers again or will they cut their own throat?

5 hours (4, Funny)

dshk (838175) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921143)

I recently installed Windows 7 on two machines. It took 5 hours on both machines to download, setup all patches. It restarted itself about 15 times. The Windows update process is ridiculous.

Re:5 hours (1, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921297)

I recently installed Windows 7 on two machines. It took 5 hours on both machines to download, setup all patches. It restarted itself about 15 times.

I recently reinstalled kubuntu 10.04 because 12 sucked. It took half an hour, only one reboot. Strange that a free OS is so superior to an expensive one.

Re:5 hours (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42922139)

You need that extra time to copy-paste commands from linux forums into the terminal when shit breaks (as it does quite often.. unless you hire a system administrator to maintain your system like a Linux server [unless its kernel.org.. lol] ). I guess you get what you pay for.

Maybe the people posting in Linux forums are secret MS employees. Or have you guys moved on to some new conspiracy theory now? I can never keep track..

Dropping support for Windows 8 (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921185)

So when are they dropping support for Windows 8? With all the discussion about dropping support for 7 and XP, maybe I will go back to using Vista.

Re:Dropping support for Windows 8 (1)

cjjjer (530715) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921405)

The only reason XP lasted so long was due to its install base. Win7 has nowhere near that so I expected a shorter support timeline. Win8 will be more popular with mobile devices and we all know how that works (cough Google, cough Apple).

And since Microsoft is now working on "Blue" http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3693368/windows-blue-update-low-cost [theverge.com] we probably can expect the same thing from them as well. OS's will last as long as the hardware they were designed for and no more. This is how the future of large corporate software is going and OEMs who build hardware are going to love it as it means frequent hardware changes. This all pushed by the fact that people are getting used to buying a new phone every 2-3 years so why not other personal computing systems.

Re:Dropping support for Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921665)

XP lasted as long as it did because Windows Vista sucked so hard. Corporate users just refused to buy the product and demanded being able to support XP longer. Windows 7 was at least tolerable, and with its release, Microsoft finally set the countdown clock on XP support.

Re:Dropping support for Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921507)

Windows 8 will be dropped by Microsoft on January 9, 2018. (pray they don't alter it any further..)
But this is irrelevant, if you need Windows 8 support, you are already using Google.com instead of Microsoft.com

Not Surprising (1, Interesting)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921239)

I dropped my RFTM support for Windows after XP (and went with Linux), after MS decided to rename things and provide a near useless search function, since it does not include the old names in the search with links to newly re-named things.

Linux might not be much better with the different init and configuration systems, but I am NOT going to paying in order to put up with that. It's especially not worth dropping a few thousand dollars to install Microsoft's OSs on all my systems if they're going to speed up the end of life cycle...

Re:Not Surprising (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921259)

"Did you mean: RTFM?"
Why, yes, thank you Belated Auto Correct v0.1 (alpha).

RTM ??? just call it what it is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42921685)

It's a .0 release

I guess Microsoft learned that everyone is scared to try a .0 release so instead is trying something "cool" like RTM. sigh.

This has got to be the stupidest naming scheme ever.

Then again the whole windows versioning is silly, as it has more or less gone 3.0 3.1 NT 95 98 XP VISTA 7.RTM 8.RTM ... WTF

What is wrong with 8.0, 8 sp1 should be 8.1 etc. - keep it simple instead of trying to be windows hipsters

And yes, that is windows 7 calling, it wants it's jokes back...

Easy win for Homeland Cybersecurity (2)

mattr (78516) | about a year and a half ago | (#42921735)

The easiest thing Homeland Security can do is to force longer, deeper penetration of the latest security fixes for all consumer operating systems.
It's amazing to me how anybody could feel comfortable applying 300mb of fixes. What the hell is in there that fixes security?
1) Mandate absolute transparency and allow user to select downloading and installation only of security-critical code.
2) Force manufacturers not to add in anything else to those portions that are really security-critical.
3) Create a list of vulnerabilities that is updated daily, and grade operating systems against whether they have fixes for them. If they believe in obscurity they must still give a code-name for the vulnerability and security researchers must be told what they mean, show the code and allow them to vet how well the vulnerability was fixed. An automated scoreboard and forum could be developed that aggregates the results of this distributed attack on peevishness by companies like microsoft and oracle who leave huge numbers of fixes unpatched until a good PR moment.
4) Force manufacturers to continue providing fixes (security patches only) to all users. It is not reasonable to allow the majority of the market to become a time-bomb and individual businesses, private users are held hostage.
5) In the case of an open source / community developed distribution, provide the same guidelines and services as is done by Homeland Cybersecurity for commercial vendors, however forcing a community is impossible. Instead a community or a manufacturer (like RedHat) can at least be graded on its response and the availability in an open repository of the required fixes.
6) Do all this for applications, libraries and drivers, not just operating systems.
7) Do this for routers
8) Do this for websites.
9) Define security and the maintenance of security as a process requiring transparency by manufacturers in order to encourage users to adopt patches and make them easier to download.
10) Provide help, guidance and code to community distros and programming teams who can choose to use it, which will make it easier to more frequently issue security patches. It should be a lot easier for users (even on linux) to maintain an up to date system without worry of something breaking or being unable to back up settings, data, etc.

The responses of Microsoft and Oracle to the security realities confronting their customers is pathetic, medieval and takes advantage of general apathy and cluelessness. The result is a never-ending pool of machines vulnerable to every attack to appear in the wild.

This would remove a huge amount

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