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Layoffs Hit Washington Post Mobile Team

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the tough-market dept.

The Media 108

imac.usr writes "The Huffington Post is reporting that The Washington Post has gone through yet another round of layoffs, but this time instead of cutting editorial positions, they're apparently cutting IT positions, specifically in the mobile applications department. According to Washington, DC media blog FishbowlDC, 54 people, including the General Manager of Mobile and Director of Mobile Products, were given the axe on Valentine's Day. A particularly damning quote from the FishbowlDC article: '"[CIO and VP Shaliesh] Prakash thinks these are 'inefficiencies' – that is the exact word he uses for human beings who are not useful according to him," said a source who spoke only on condition of anonymity. "Get rid of experienced people to save money, under the garb of streamlining is the new trend inside the Post."' Given that mobile products seem somewhat more likely to succeed than printed newspapers, this seems a strange decision at best."

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108 comments

Good to hear you care so much about the people (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927291)

in always capitalist America. I wish it was like that here in Russia.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (3, Interesting)

flyneye (84093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927429)

Well ,it's capitalist like Warren "Larry the Liquidator" Buffet, just milking the Newspapers for their last shred of profit.
Have you noticed most newspapers getting bought up, kind of turn into bad news tabloids, filled w/ads?
That's because, that's what sells the papers now. They're dying anyway and mostly just propaganda and spin, which is just entertaining as you want, but useless for actual news. Eventually,when it cannot sustain itself, all will be fired and assets sold off. It was replaced by the internet. Just like the music industry, it is already dead and being eaten alive, it just won't admit it to itself.
Ironically, it is justice for disservice to mankind and manipulation of information for political agendas. SO, nothing of value was lost. I hope it's like that in Russia.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927517)

They're dying anyway and mostly just propaganda and spin, which is just entertaining as you want, but useless for actual news.

This is exactly their problem. WaPo has been circling the bowl for a while now. And as is typical when a news source is getting desperate, they start writing for pageviews instead of content. Most of what they've crapped out over the last couple years is increasingly shrill political trash with zero editorial control, not quality journalism.

I wish I knew what the answer was, to keep real journalism alive without disgusting legislation, suing Google for one sentence blurbs, or turning into a mill for bad political editorials. But WaPo hasn't found the answer either, so things like this are gong to continue to happen.

I do wish these companies would stop chasing the Fox News and HuffPo models, though. Someone needs to figure out how to keep real journalism alive.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (1)

flyneye (84093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927563)

I find the wisdom that " If there is a need, someone will fill it" to be true in every case.
Time will bring a reliable way of relating relevant information, aggregation will occur from multiple sources, the news will come.
When that craps out, something else will come, and so on. Necessity is a Mother.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927871)

it is already dead and being eaten alive

I don't think those two things are compatible.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (2)

flyneye (84093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928803)

O.K. "Deadish" and "Aliveish" Mr. Particular Pants!

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (3, Insightful)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927977)

They're dying anyway and mostly just propaganda and spin, which is just entertaining as you want, but useless for actual news. Eventually,when it cannot sustain itself, all will be fired and assets sold off. It was replaced by the internet. Just like the music industry, it is already dead and being eaten alive, it just won't admit it to itself.

Read what I have to say, please, before you mods troll it out; I'm serious about what I'm saying.

Those stages all sound like a drug habit.

That's always been my opinion of successful media-oriented businesses; they start out with good intention. They make money. Things sort of level off. They see some idea that can make them more money and jump at it. It profits like you wouldn't believe. They invest more, more, more in it so they can profit more, more, more. The baseline for what's considered 'acceptable profit base' goes up with each success... Eventually, they do something stupid themselves or the profit-providing sources run dry and they have what I cannot say is any different than withdrawal symptoms.

That's where the self-destructive (firings) or stealing for a fix (money laundering, tax evasion, etc) tendencies kick in.

The outcome is determined by how and when they get caught.

From this article's perspective, it looks like they're at the stage "But I gotta have MORE because it's been so damn good up until now!"

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (1)

flyneye (84093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928975)

Well, junkies or not, this is the final fate of Buffets purchases.
Squeeze till the last dime drops and sell the empty shell.
No amount of rehab will help it now. Just waiting for the last breath of air in the coffin to stagnate.
That was what happened to Newspapers. Eventually those spending money will discover news comes faster on Television,Radio and Internet, all basically free. Then they go out with a whimper, not a bang. Everyone fired, auctioneer shows up and you buy an old desk, reception area furniture or lamp. Realtor comes along and sells the building for office space. Buffet reinvests the money in the next dying business. Rinse. Repeat.
Profit from nothing more than merely making a reasonable purchase, cutting costs and letting nature take its course and recycling the remains to fertilizer. Brilliant.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#42929729)

He's the fungus of the business world!

(Earthworm? Mold?)

That's the nice thing about capitalism - you don't have to be noble to contribute to the system. In fact, it helps to have some vultures in the system.

In this case, the slowly dying Post is at least opening up some prime real estate in DC [washingtonpost.com] for others to have a go. The endgame as a private company was bankruptcy and liquidation anyway.

Re:Good to hear you care so much about the people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42930681)

I'm certain in a few weeks we'll read about Mr. Prakash hiring a staff of H1-Bs from his homeland of India. You can collect your bowl of porridge at the feeding station in your district after producing the appropriate government-issued identification papers.

your mobile product sucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927297)

... and you're fired.

Not so simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927299)

I don't know... If you were the boss and you found out you were paying for dozens of inefficiencies to come to work and sit in their cubicles every day, what would you do?

Re:Not so simple (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927615)

Trow out the General Manager in charge. Get in a new one. Let him get the department back into shape. This will mean some people will leave and some will get a new responsibility. Some might get fired after a restructuring.

When you trow out both the GM and the people below, you are interest in cost, not in efficiency.

Re:Not so simple (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#42933833)

isn't that what they did and this is the firing/restructuring.
I got no idea why their mobile division would need 54 people, considering it's highly likely they were subcontracting app development anyways?

they should need just 3-6 guys working on the mobile apps - the stories should come from the common content for wash. post.

Re:Not so simple (1)

todrules (882424) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927795)

I agree. I'm not even sure if you could call a General Manager and a Director part of "IT". They're management. Yes, they may have worked in the IT department, but they're not really IT. I've seen too many organizations, including my current company, where there are just way too many "Directors", and none of them have a clue, and, personally, I wish we would get rid of some of these "inefficiencies" around the office.

Re:Not so simple (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928021)

I agree. I'm not even sure if you could call a General Manager and a Director part of "IT". They're management. Yes, they may have worked in the IT department, but they're not really IT. I've seen too many organizations, including my current company, where there are just way too many "Directors", and none of them have a clue, and, personally, I wish we would get rid of some of these "inefficiencies" around the office.

You're dead-on there.

When you ask knowledgeable management for data/opinions on the departments they technically (or otherwise) manage, they will always seem to provide data that makes everyone under them look like they are the cause of the problem(s) or lack of perfection. When top-level clueless management PAYS knowledgeable management more for this information, it has a baseline that always has to climb to keep that data lookin' good!

Conversely, when things are positive, ever notice how top-level management asks how things got so damn good and the response from the management underneath them is, "Well *I* made some changes that... yadda yadda."

Not to get off-topic, but why don't we start reverse-questioning? When business is sucking, have top-level management ask the management beneath them how things are looking so excellent. Act accordingly on responses. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Wait, that makes sense and might work. Disregard.

Source (4, Interesting)

m93 (684512) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927307)

I wonder if CmdrTaco is the source.

Re:Source (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928921)

My first thought when I saw the headline. Although even 15 minutes of Internet fame is worth as much as a PhD on the job market so he'll be fine.

maybe they read xkcd (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927315)

http://xkcd.com/1174/

Re:maybe they read xkcd (4, Insightful)

yog (19073) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927693)

Actually that's pretty spot-on. I hate how every news organization today has to have its own downloadable app. "Welcome to the South Butt-hole Sentinel! Click OK to download our app! Or [typesize=0.001]click here to continue to site."

I don't want to have a whole menagerie of single-site news apps of varying quality and usability. Aggregator apps such as Currents and Flipboard are a step in the right direction, but they leave me cold as well; they're weird, they pick and choose articles they think I want to see (usually off the mark) and a lot of the periodical's value is lost in translation. Among other things, the talkbacks are stripped out and these days, I find the talkbacks more entertaining and, sometimes more informative, than the original article.

Re:maybe they read xkcd (3, Informative)

pepty (1976012) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927905)

Spot on (including the mouseover text), but I doubt news organizations would push their apps so hard unless their monetization of mobile visits required the apps Ads in the sidebar are too small when you load the paper with a normal webbrower; if you zoom in to read the article the ads will get pushed off the screen. No clicks, no revenue for the paper. Using the app means the right ads get sent to your platform and stay where you can see them, whether you like it or not. Hopefully they'll figure out that bad solutions to the problem of getting people to view ads just inspire draconian solutions on our end, like flashing ads spread all over the page inspired adblock and flashblock.

Re:maybe they read xkcd (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42933525)

I think some of the "news" sites adds are the worst. The less that loads on the page with no script, the worse that organization is. IMHO.

Re:maybe they read xkcd (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928041)

Actually that's pretty spot-on. I hate how every news organization today has to have its own downloadable app. "Welcome to the South Butt-hole Sentinel! Click OK to download our app! Or [typesize=0.001]click here to continue to site."

I don't want to have a whole menagerie of single-site news apps of varying quality and usability. Aggregator apps such as Currents and Flipboard are a step in the right direction, but they leave me cold as well; they're weird, they pick and choose articles they think I want to see (usually off the mark) and a lot of the periodical's value is lost in translation. Among other things, the talkbacks are stripped out and these days, I find the talkbacks more entertaining and, sometimes more informative, than the original article.

I just think of how funny it is that apps were a positive feature in phones because of their small screens and lack of desktop browser functionality...

Now that tablets are getting more and more desktop-feature-like, those apps just aren't as helpful in overcoming challenged hardware anymore.

I guess there's gold in them App-hills and management is having a damn hard time accepting and adapting to change... AGAIN.

Re:maybe they read xkcd (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42930623)

Sadly, what we really need is for newspapers to embrace syndication. How ironic, eh? RSS feeds have dwindled, rather than growing. Instead of syndication everyone wants their own app. The purpose is preventing you from going to another news outlet, which is just goddamned stupid because the other news outlet has an app, too, and maybe developed by the same guys who developed the first paper's app, and told them they needed one because the other guy had one. It all stinks of desperation when none of it is necessary and all they really need is a decent mobile site.

Taco? (4, Funny)

1u3hr (530656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927325)

Was Malda given the chop? He was supposed to be some kind of Web 2.0 guru for them/ If they gave up on that mirage, his position is precarious. He's unlikely to be welcomed back here as editor. Though we will probably see more of him as a contributor as you cant spend all your life consuming drugs and hookers..

Re:Taco? (1)

isorox (205688) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927379)

Was Malda given the chop? He was supposed to be some kind of Web 2.0 guru for them/ If they gave up on that mirage, his position is precarious. He's unlikely to be welcomed back here as editor. Though we will probably see more of him as a contributor as you cant spend all your life consuming drugs and hookers..

It would be good if he started a new blog, slashdot back to basics. I guess he signed a non-compete agreement.

Re:Taco? (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927419)

It would be good if he started a new blog, slashdot back to basics. I guess he signed a non-compete agreement.

Well the good thing is, since Slashdot seems to be turning into just an advertising/job board for Dice, he can run stories that slashdot used to run without having to worry about breaking the non-compete.

Re:Taco? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927529)

I guess he signed a non-compete agreement.

I would expect that he signed a non-competition agreement.

Tell me, do you carry a drive license and a pay card? Do you use a browse app on your compute device?

Re:Taco? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928831)

I don't know what a non-competition agreement is, but I've signed more than one non-compete agreement [nolo.com] . It's the name of the agreement because of the non-compete [wikipedia.org] clause, a term used in contract law. It's not supposed to grammatically correct. If I signed an "ain't nobody got time for that" agreement, it would still be called an "ain't nobody got time for that agreement" despite the poor grammatical form.

Re:Taco? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927547)

Not trying to be mean, but while Slashdot 1.0 was "good" it was despite its flaws, which increased over time as the code was hacked upon to make it appeal more to Rob's vision.

In some ways, Rob Malda is the George Lucas of blogs.

Re:Taco? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927819)

Though we will probably see more of him as a contributor as you cant spend all your life consuming drugs and hookers

I highly doubt he made enough money from the sale of slashdot to afford drugs or hookers - or at least, not decent examples of either. In fact he may want to look into selling some of the former (though hopefully none of the latter) if he wants to make some money while he's still young; I doubt there are many other companies who want to hire someone to constantly write about facebook.

When money becomes your God (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927341)

Here's the result cascading into anything connected with it & the "holy dollar" in publicly held companies (no small wonder Micheal Dell's attempting to BUY BACK the company he started - my guess is, even HE realizes it's a road to eventual ruin, & allows the WORST "virus of the spirt" as I call it, in greed, to take over everything).

* "Welcome to the WORLD, in 2013", folks...

APK

P.S.=> Worst still, is seeing things like this -> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dmv-project-20130215,0,7011139.story [latimes.com] in MY field (computer sciences, mostly programming)... when that "profit motive" becomes the mantra, that's what you get, every single time! Screw hiring those that CAN & WILL "get the job done" & right, in experienced devs who yes - cost more but have done it before successfully vs. the std. modus operandi of "let's hire on "noobz" fresh outta academia with no experience since they cost less & who have NEVER gotten a large-scale job done who will, odds are, SCREW IT UP LARGE"

Talk about STUPID & bad business period (proving the dolts running the show @ the HIGHEST LEVELS aren't even good @ what they themselves claim to do being "masters of the universe", lol) - then again - they aren't there to do a good job & put out solid product (I learned that from mechanical & electrical engineers in fact, who are TOLD to keep making a product cheaper, at ANY cost, even to the point of shoddy/faulty workmanship, creating lawsuits that cost later too - bad business in the long haul)... these execs aren't THERE FOR THE LONG HAUL, this shows it. They're there for a "quick & dirty buck", no better than thieves robbing a bank in the dead of night imo.

Dumb - it ends up eroding any profit gains (the end-all/be-all goal) & costing not only the company itself millions (or more), but also taxpayers footing the bill. Worse yet? Seeing this happen also -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3468517&cid=42927255 [slashdot.org] because that also "passes the buck" right back to you, the taxpayers as well (via corporations evading their share in the corporate taxbase, via blatant OWNERSHIP imo of the politicians in office passing bills written by corporate execs who own those politicians essentially)...

... apk

Re:When money becomes your God (2)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927577)

Alas, but beware! Computer science != software engineering. Both aspects are important for a successful software developer. If you're in a computer science course of study in academia, I do expect you to be no better in software engineering side of things than a self-taught kid fresh out of the college. Same goes for those who only know the engineering side well, without grokking the mathematical theory.

Proof's in the pudding (small sample) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927731)

IF you're attempting to "condescend to me" & that's what I perceive here? Think again ( + show me you've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER than I have in the art & science of computing on YOUR part to your name/credit):

"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."

----

Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3 [xtremepccentral.com]

It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html [sourceforge.net] or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2993462&group_id=199532&atid=969873 [sourceforge.net]

AND lastly: http://g-off.net/software/a-python-repeatable-threadingtimer-class [g-off.net] where I got other programmer's work WORKING RIGHT (in PyThon no less, which I just started learning only 2 week ago no less) by showing them how to use a "Dummy Proxy Function" as I call it, to make a RepeatTimer class (Thread sub-class really) to take PARAMETERIZED FUNCTIONS, ala:

def apkthreadlaunch():
                                      getnortonsafeweb(sAPKFileName = "APK_1_NortonSafeWeb360Extracted.txt".rstrip())

a = RepeatTimer(900, apkthreadlaunch) # 900 is 15 minutes... apk

Where it was NOT working for many folks there, before (submitted to the maker of the RepeatTimer class no less, & yes, it WORKS!)

----

What do I have to say about that much above? I can't say it any better, than this was stated already (from the greatest book of all time, the "tech manual for life" imo):

"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 15, Verse 10

(And, because I got LUCKY to have been exposed to some really GREAT classmates, professors, & colleagues on the job over time as well)

====

Ok?

So - When you manage that, THEN, you can speak to me as a peer IF NOT A SUPERIOR & I will listen to your "preaching to the choir" here... & especially to myself.

Point-blank: I don't pay heed to academicians (meaning noobz fresh out of schooling) usually, unless they make a SOLID point (often they do, but fail in understanding you "inherit" messes & have to keep "paperclip, rubberband, + superglue" them shoring them up over time, since required rewrites will NOT be budgeted for (hence my reply to the PHB in the link in my p.s. below)).

However - not prof's though, they are good @ what they do in 1 respect: Foundations principles, & especially those with REAL WORLD years-to-decades of hands-on in the trenches experience, vs. those minus it (especially, since "those who can, DO, those who can't, teach" are that last 'type', I can't respect them) OR those without anything visible to their name attempting to 'condescend to me' which sorry, I do get the feeling you're attempting to do to myself, here.

Thus, I ask you the above, to determine whether I can respect you or not (not my 'best stuff', that came in corporate america after decades & they were many times "enterprise-class"/"mission-critical" systems that spanned many millions of lines in code, stored procs, reports & more (which IF you've done the job, you know what I mean here) by comparison to the tiny partial list of mine above).

(No more than I would hire a noob outta academia without professional years-to-decades of experience - since it's like letting a 2 yr. old take the wheel of a car to drive me someplace)

I state that simply on 1 basis:

Without a track-record & experience, you're just spouting back theory from the words of others, but doing ZERO thinking, yourself.

Know what?

Better still, & by example + analogy by film:

I'll let this guy "Good Will Hunting" speak to "that illustrious ilk" around here, for me (since he does a great job of it from a fine film by analogy, since it is the finest art-form man has, illustrating life itself - take a look/listen):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymsHLkB8u3s [youtube.com]

Says what I mean, better than I EVER could... especially in regards to my other post here, noted below and to the largest 'drag' on business, & by "osmosis" society itself + the health of economy.

Sorry for perceiving you incorrect IF I have here, but... the link below has me a WEE bit upset, along with other articles I pointed to here where "the masters of the universe" in business are destroying this nation's why... & so does the GOOF with the pony tail in the link above (since that "kind" often takes the rein in business, since that's how the REAL world works, with majority stockholders + boards of directors giving their incompetent ignoramus relatives jobs people that can actually DO them getting them instead - look @ the results economically!).

Stressing this - IF I am off/wrong in my perception of your reply to me? My sincerest apologies, & perhaps... JUST perhaps, you know what I mean, yourself.

APK

P.S.=> Now, if you can back yourself up during your "preach" to me? I'll take it back - just like I would here while addressing the LARGEST "DRAG" ON BUSINESS THERE IS, in another here & his "illustrious ilk"/"masters of the universe" type crooks!

http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3468321&cid=42927543 [slashdot.org]

He's a cookie-cutter "PHB type" I suspect is why, & I 'escaped' his 'kind' after years of giving away the most precious element there is: LIFE, with youth & time to them, to be able to do so (only way, as I wasn't born into riches with a silver spoon in my mouth)

Lastly - & yes, I possess what you mention on all fronts, but more importantly, with REAL WORLD experience & decent enough accomplishments (of which those above are only a TINY small & minor (but favorites of mine) list what I can back up in total summation in the art & science of computing, simply via what they are, & IF you doubt them? I'll give you the right folks' email to contact if need be even, & the publications are easy to find online too... so you can contact them. Yes, I can do that too IF necessary, easily...

... apk

Re:Proof's in the pudding (small sample) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928483)

Wow, you're obviously a kook. Were you always that way or did you have to work at it?

Off-topic illogical ad hominem attack != valid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928711)

You're obviously the "kind" that Mr. Hunting here speaks of http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UrOZllbNarw [youtube.com] that "run the show" (poorly & into the ground), or are the results + "ends justifying the means" not backing me on that note too?

As to the results, the "bottom-line" as its known in business?

"Argue with the numbers" in the economy from YOUR KIND'S "fine leadership" (massive crookery is more like it), not I, or the person Matt Damon portrays there in the link above... ok?

* Hey - see my subject-line above, & "rinse, lather, & repeat" since I've obviously struck a nerve, & left "you & your kind" speechless vs. my challenge to you which you responded to & clearly, cannot meet or match vs. myself in your attempt to "preach" to me!

APK

P.S.=>

"Wow, you're obviously a kook. Were you always that way or did you have to work at it?" - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17, @11:41AM (#42928483)

Well, it's better than being an OFF-TOPIC 'trolling' obvious "ne'er-do-well" in yourself that is struck speechless when given a challenge here from myself you can't meet obviously-> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3468321&cid=42927731 [slashdot.org]

LMAO worst still, one who downmods via alternate registered 'luser' accounts (imaginary 'friends') too!

Trying to "hide" something here I said maybe?

Now, before you try your b.s. with your AC reply (meaning you're probably the guy I asked that question of) saying it's NOT you downmodding me?

Listen: This forums & most others are EASILY used against anyone speaking truths, ideas which are DANGEROUS to the "powers that be" via means like this -> HBGary POST in Fake Names On Social Networks, a Fake Problem:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2375110&cid=37056304 [slashdot.org]

That, makes you dirt. Plain & simple, along with your "your crazy" reply - people are sick of that, & know the deal on it, & it's not even ORIGINAL, very stale/worn out.

Just like you after I stepped all over you in my challenge, by letting YOU, do it to yourself.

I state that, since I know EXACTLY how "your kind" works with some solid backing documentation proof noted above on my statements!

Especially when others make them show themselves for JUST WHAT & WHO THEY REALLY ARE, as I did in the link above, pal, to you...

Thanks for helping me do it, but by letting YOU do it to YOURSELF, via evasion.

LMAO - Is THAT truly "the best you've got"? It "ain't much", in your name-tossing stale troll b.s.!

Certainly fits what I said in my subject-line above...

However, I will dignify that with an answer though it doesn't deserve it (especially to the 'trolling likes of YOU'):

No, actually - it took me MANY years of seeing what's going on in the trenches per this article's subject matter & being disgusted not so much by it, but rather by the cascading results, which a CHILD could see, since imo economics ARE CHILD'S PLAY if done honestly - after all, we are ALL our "own nation/own business" & it's NOT radically different than managing your OWN financial situation prudently!

(Which you clearly are not onboard with or on topic on in this discussion OR that one - thus, you FAIL)

I merely 'escaped it' for the most part, & yes, SUCCESSFULLY thank the merciful Lord, being lucky enough to have finally escaped it... Makes me feel for the future generation(s) though, since this kind of mess isn't solved in a day, only thru hardships, & then once things get BETTER again? It repeats itself, & either human nature must be overcome (good luck, God tried it in the garden of Eden) OR, man himself & his "nature" must be restrained, somehow...

Do I have the answer? No. It's NOT MY JOB, thus, I point to those whose it is, & see them doing a poor job of it!

Would I want to BE one of "their illustrious ilk"? Well, ask me IF i want to become an axe murderer too, since i don't class them much differently personally!

However - now, I know some of them are only "living lives of QUIET DESPERATION" keeping their mouths shut, as most do, to survive.

I can't fault a man for that, but, I can when it begins screwing EVERYONE ELSE over, & eventually, it will (look around you, today, & on an economic note, prove me wrong!

Basic Economics 101 starting @ the micro level & going macro in the end - you CAN'T have a healthy economy when you starve out the serfs giving them NO DISPOSABLE INCOME (beyond basic essentials in food, shelter, & utilities)... small business DIES first, & then their suppliers & all the way upwards + downwards in the economic food chain so-to-speak.

A child could realize this. Economic jungles, once set out of natural balance & harmony? Not any different than actual jungle habitats, except even ANIMALS are smart enough to not overbreed when there's no resources to support it for example... so much for our "fine leaders" & they know it too. Only they're greedy slime who *think* they know how to run things (arrogant swine)... yea, ok - right into the ground is how well they've done!

No good leaders EVER did that, hence I place blame on said "leaders" we have today - the BEST MONEY CAN TRULY BUY, since we all KNOW what the game is, & that is IT, in a nutshell - "the billionaire boys club" has taken over, & enough is NEVER enough since they have 2" peckers as far as I am concerned & need money, lol, for that end of things...

... apk

Best you've got = bogus downmods? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42930765)

With off topic illogic ad hominem attacks?? "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" troll -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3468321&cid=42928711 [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=>

"Wow, you're obviously a kook. Were you always that way or did you have to work at it?" - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17, @11:41AM (#42928483)

Again - better than being a weak illogical off-topic ad hominem attack utilizing troll, which you evidence yourself to be to all viewing... fact!

(Thanks for making my point on that note, with that trolling WEAK statement of yours quoted above!)

Since in case you hadn't noticed, that only reinforced my point(s) for me!

Yes, I have it figured out now - You're also one of the "geniuses" that are 1 of our "fearless leaders" doing such a "fine job" of things!

Mere puppets of KORPORATE AMERIKA with no minds, or merely undereducated dolts making a mess of things!

(It's that or tremendous criminals, take your pick) that are TRULY "the best money can REALLY buy").

Your 1 reprehensible 'skill' = an ability to "play ball" (yea, lol... go fetch once your paymaster overlords toss the ball & you wag your tail, chasing it on command... lol!).

(Since only intelligence (or rather lack of it) of that "magnitude" could manage such a lousy result economically!)...

... apk

Re:Best you've got = bogus downmods? (1)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42936751)

Sweetheart, wasn't it the intelligent and money-smart German bankers buying lots of the junk paper that nobody in the U.S. would even touch with a long pole just before the recent housing bust? I think there was a few billion USD worth of that stuff that is being written off by the landesbanks all over the place. Slowly but surely. It got to a point where "boys from Stuttgart" were joked about here.

Sweetheart? Sorry, "wrong door" (& on banks) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42936981)

Yea, & it was bankers extending loans pell-mell indiscriminately in loan officers WITHOUT being SURE THEY COULD PAY UP TOO (just for the paycheck/bonus - they are NOT that stupid, but did it anyhow).

Then, they *tried* to pass the buck & say it was Mr. Clinton PUSHING them, well... nobody pushed them THAT hard, to make STUPID mistakes like that & banks LOVE when you FAIL!

Especially when you're RIGHT near the finish line so they can repo your home & what-not - they keep it all, you get "f'd" &, that IS that, then the taxman can do the same...!!!

Now, THAT really bugs me: IF You have paid your stuff off, & are FREE from mortgages/banks clutches? It's yours... right? WRONG!

Skip a few quarters of tax, see what happens... all gone. Even if you're say, 10g's behind/1 yr. which is the typical mark they will drag you into courts for, that's NOT FULL VALUE OF YOUR HOME.

Sure, they'll put you on a payment plan, that's a fucking sham too - once you're that far back, & OUTTA WORK due to the billionaire boys club "fine engineering" (more on THAT later) causing it?

Good luck EVER making the mark & breaking free... numbers, are FUNNY like that, especially percentages (bigger the number, the HARDER YOU FALL).

So... bankers?

Hey - No love for them here, far, Far, FAR from it.

Especially from the IMF on downwards, right into the "FED" which is about as Federal as Federal Express is (private consortium of banks that have us TRAPPED @ a national level since you can't ever payup a debt with money that has MORE DEBT attached when it's borrowed, which of course, the gov't. does trying to pay down the national debt!).

It's ALL bullshit. Bullshit a kid could see thru once shown how it all works.

Why do you *think* Andrew Jackson wrote "I killed the bank" on his gravestone? He did.

See - The 1st central banks were RUINING this nation with the SAME BASIC TRAP as noted above, & the wealthy (I am SURE of this in fact) CREATE & ENGINEER these "recessions/depressions" as is needed!

Additionally:

Yes, that same 'game' is being played once again (due to Woodrow Wilson's fuckup, & he even SAID "I made a pact with the devil" in doing so in his memoirs iirc later). They used J.P. Morgan (smart guy, but only a puppet the bankers KNEW everyone listened to, to do the typical "'let's use an authority figure & spread what WE want in the presses to 'stir up the sheep' to do a bank run & bust the smaller bankers - we'll turn around, buy them up for pennies on the dollar & GET RICHER!"... that type of shit is VERY apparent, & yes, goes on today via "FUD" etc./et al, too!)

Jackson, however & bless his soul & it took BALLS to do went @ them!

(He ended assasinated iirc, & most likely by YOU KNOW WHO since he hit them where it hurts in what they value - just like JFK was, what a shame... the good ones get taken out & made examples of imo)

Anyhow/anyways - That depression few talk of nowadays since it was over 100++ yrs. ago?

We got out, quickly too, once they were shutdown + shunned!

YES - It'd happen NOW too (if they did a few things, like legalize & tax pot, + bring back offshored jobs - nobody would be 'out' a job, a GOOD paying job, & STOPPED THE STUPID WARS only the wealthy war-profiteers + their crony stooges profit by).

Yes, the economic motor would start "purring" again, smoothly.

See - I figure it this way - MOST folks, once they put aside a security "nest-egg"? Start burning ca$h which IS GOOD - it feeds Peter, & his suppliers Paul, + comes back ALL THE WAY AROUND back to home/you to roost since it's a symbiotic circle in economics essentially from the micro to macro level (the whole being a sum of its part)...

Only makes sense to prudently reward yourself in whatever makes you happy & can be done with "the holy dollar" that is, or you'll pop (go postal) from the futility of it!) - people WILL do it (unless they're one of those money hoarding scrooges & that's fine too, they just don't contribute as much imo for the motor to run right).

APK

P.S.=> Anyhow - @ least you have some balls & discuss things, I'll give you that, but we ARE "meandering" from the main point here...

... apk

Re:When money becomes your God (4, Interesting)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927715)

Here's the result cascading into anything connected with it & the "holy dollar" in publicly held companies (no small wonder Micheal Dell's attempting to BUY BACK the company he started - my guess is, even HE realizes it's a road to eventual ruin, & allows the WORST "virus of the spirt" as I call it, in greed, to take over everything).

* "Welcome to the WORLD, in 2013", folks...

More like welcome to the world of working for a for profit business at any time in history. The Washington Post needs to make money or it goes out of business. There are three ways the mobile platforms model can help with that: (1) They could contribute to the subscriber base (2) they could sell ads (3) They could create buzz about stories and link to stories that sell ads.

To pay 54 people including a CIO and a General Manager, you'd need to be generating a lot of money from the mobile business -- more than $5M per year. Obviously top management at the WP took a look at how much money they could possibly be generating out of their mobile business and concluded that it wasn't generating that much money and didn't have any prospect of generating that much money any time soon, nor a plan to do so.

Reality, eh? Here's a harsher one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927867)

Whether you know it or not, especially in media today: They're DYING as are any printed publications, vs. the web (where you CAN'T suppress or manufacture "false 1/2 truths" since others can immediately 'sound off' directly vs. them).

Control the presses - that's 1 of the 1st things a 'conqueror' does, seize communications to "sway the masses" which unfortunately, when you only had a few EXTREMELY buyable (via the stock market) outlets of "news" (fabricated quite often to 'make a point' in favor of said 'controllers'), you could pull that shit & get away with it... not anymore.

As to it "being how it is"? You're right & a realist... however, it took me into my 40's to realize it & I escaped it coming up on a decade now in fact, thank the merciful lord. I saw it coming, anyone with any sense would.

I work for ME, now... instead of funding maniacs @ the wheel & empowering them too (developing apps for them to HOPEFULLY do a better job, so much for that, when I look around me the past 5++ yrs. now).

APK

P.S.=> As to your last paragraph... well, here's my reply, in short? That kind, is killing themselves, with what I call a "virus of the spirt", in greed (and being mere mouthpieces for the REAL crooks, the 1% trust-fund babies out there for whom "enough is NEVER enough" & the "ends justify the means"!

Oh sure "We're only executing policy"... lol, what a COP OUT, when they're in it up to their NECKS by being stockholders (the market is the ROOT of it, money being the root of all evil? No, greed is) or boards of director types themselves, or just quick buck scam artists that come in, often via connections & the "revolving door" (politics to business & back out again to reap the benefits of bills they themselves write to change the rules in THEIR favor only via being politicians themselves, or owning those that are (Mr. Cheney)).

History, unfortunately, backs me & that's what spooks me most & makes me lose faith in humanity, because "those who don't know history are bound to repeat it" as the old adage goes... then, why the "F" do we keep repeating the SAME mistakes, & NOT curbing that greed bug I noted above then? Easy - it's used against you IF you don't know it is why BY those that learn it as a "primary skill" (leaders & ivy league types) to pull the same shit, again & again, waiting a generation or two if need be so the current generation forgets or wasn't told what to watch for is why, & by those that "lead" us (into ruination).

Ok/yea... well: LOOK @ THE ENDS ECONOMICALLY then!

That's all I have to say, & further, I do blame those "in charge", after all - it's THEIR JOB to make it run right & better, & they are NOT doing a good job, & it's why I posted this to a "PHB" I strongly suspect based on his utter BULLSHIT & what he represents -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3468321&cid=42927543 [slashdot.org] a GIANT DRAG on business, & by 'osmosis' (for lack of a better expression, perhaps "trickle down economics" & keynsian theory would be a BETTER more apt one) + yes, the nation of the USA...

... apk

Re:When money becomes your God (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932583)

Go away alex, not everybody can suck on the government teat of social security disability due to his obvious mental shortcomings. Some of us have jobs.

Take your own advice troll (go away)... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42934587)

"Go away alex, not everybody can suck on the government teat of social security disability due to his obvious mental shortcomings." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17, @11:26PM (#42932583)

Not on SS Disability pal, & quit "projecting" your own faults onto me, ok? Ad hominem attacks of that nature are merely that - you don't know me, thus, you project your own issues onto others... that IS, how it works.

I run my own show now & it keeps things going + I work when necessary & IF a job I can handle & will be interested in presents itself!

(Just doing what I've been doing professionally for decades now in computing (mostly coding, but also networking & techie stuff when/if necessary as well - all fronts/"polymath" of sorts here & I ought to be after that much time poured into it)).

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"Some of us have jobs." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17, @11:26PM (#42932583)

Then, you're a fool & too bad for you!

(That, or you're not smart enough to realize you're selling the MOST precious element there is, giving it away for PEANUTS to some fool, making HIM rich with YOUR EFFORTS, instead of yourself OR you're just too poor to do it any other way - I was the same for TOO long is all I was stating)

Point-blank - 1 day, you'll realize this once you start THINKING FOR YOURSELF, pal, *IF* you ever do & are capable of it

Same here though in my time as a younger man!

So - not saying I was any better when I was younger, didn't have a choice...

I did too & had to, in working for others making THEM wealthy while I was paid peanuts by comparison!

(Took me nearly 30 yrs. of doing what YOU are, just to make it so I don't HAVE to anymore... I just FINALLY "snapped out of it"... & got smart!).

---

Going to quote some famous figures on THAT very note:

Jim Morrison: "YOU'RE ALL SLAVES!"

&

Brad Pitt (portraying Achilles): "Don't spend your life following some fool's orders..."

---

(BOTH = correct...)

Going to close this for you with another language: "Abres Los Ojos" - wake up, you're a "wage-slave"...

... apk

Additionally: YOU need to read THIS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42934649)

It's from 1 of your fellow /. peers no less -> http://slashdot.org/journal/317313/fk-computer-programming-as-a-career [slashdot.org] & one who worked @ Microsoft no less.

* Personally, I don't get along w/ him since he's a known & admitted troll - one who has trolled myself but many respect him here so... there ya are!

(I have to admit, like he does in that journal of his, that occasionally? The guy makes a STRONG point, & he's making MINE for me, in what I said to you, troll!)

APK

P.S.=> Like I did YEARS ago? I *think* JC is finally "waking up" & smelling the coffee... a bit later than I did, & we're about the same age, iirc, but, he's doing it imo!

All I can tell you, or anyone - Do the same, & "abres los ojos", because otherwise, you're making others richer with YOUR efforts, time, youth & LIFE (by being a wage slave for others)...

... apk

And how good is WaPo's current mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927417)

I'd say not very. For example, one of the most popular things on the Post's site, the Capital Weather Gang (weather nerds), doesn't have any sort of mobile app, when it would be perfect for it. You bundle their forecast, commentary, forecasts, etc, into a nice little app, and you'd be pulling in lots of views.

Why Is That Damning At All?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927431)

I love how people try to construe meanings and project their own feelings from one word or quote. "Inefficiencies" is exactly the right word when there is more money going out than coming in. He is referring to the positions, not the human beings themselves.

I am a manager and layoffs are not easy, but some pruning here and there must be done from time to time. Sometimes people need to be laid off for the betterment of a company. Sorry, but that is the real world we are living in.

Re:Why Is That Damning At All?? (0)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927449)

Capitalist pig. Employees put their heart and soul into their jobs, the least you can do is offer them lifetime employment.

You & your overpaid "yours" need 'pruning' (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927543)

The true inefficiency, is you & yours, and you KNOW it. You're, @ best, radically overpaid babysitters, where the funniest part's usually that you're the babies instead of the adult in that case (and the results in business + the economy worldwide, show it clearly - argue with the results)

Fact is, I doubt you've even done the job hands-on yourself, & your MBA, which is complete bullshit, since I have a full B.S. business degree (from a top-notch school in it) combined with MIS minor & CSC AAS ontop of that along with decades of experience professionally beforehand doing the job successfully in the computer sciences myself & helped my brother get his no less where he was astounded I still recalled most of the formulas & principle goals of them decades later!

I told him I was further exposed to them in practice, & not with "widgets" as in academia, but the REAL world in motion in business by building tools stooges such as yourself couldn't build themselves, to "empower" you?

For what??

Shit like this???

No thanks!

(I can only thank God above I don't have to deal with that anymore, & have worked for MYSELF for many years now instead (I finally wised up in my 40's), taking all of the profits possible instead of crumbs from the table for paying babysitters like yourself)).

In fact, I saw so many of "your kind" fire away guys that "cost more" that can and DID get the job done (vs. your "helpless henry" type that clearly can't) & product finished solidly too!

Now, you'll PROBABLY tell me "I was executing policy handed down to me, merely orders" yea, well... you STILL had the responsibility of executing them, possibly against your conscience too, now live with it.

I've seen SO many guys with actual skills that better products, if not the world, get fired that can do the job whereas your "illustrious ilk" 9/10 times can't even load an Operating System properly (a child's play level task).

Who the HELL are you to judge anyone you fire?

Question - Have YOU done their job for years-on-end to know it end to end in process + data and principle goal yourself?? Doubt it.

"Leadership" (what a truckload of bullshit, either you ARE a good leader, or you're not, & someone who's never done the job of a subordinate themselves, "walking many a mile in their shoes" doesn't qualify, & that MBA isn't going to give you innate leadership abilities, + certainly NOT the skills of your subordinates either).

"I am a manager and layoffs are not easy, but some pruning here and there must be done from time to time. Sometimes people need to be laid off for the betterment of a company. Sorry, but that is the real world we are living in." -

Yea? How about "PRUNING" the 100 "VP's" corporate bodies in the USA have instead?? WTF do radically overpaid dolts (related to top stock holders on the "boards of directors" many times, or family members) really offer except a HUGE OVERPAID DRAG ON STOCKHOLDERS?

Hmmm??

I don't give a flying "F" what your comeback is, since I can easily point to the economic situation out there, knowing you & yours (& your paymasters) created it... after all:

With great power comes great responsibility, & argue with the results.

Point-blank: You, & YOURS? Can't... period. You're a DRAG ON SOCIETY and yes, business.
APK

P.S.=> Now, if you're the RARE kind of mgt. I have run into in the art & science of computing (or whatever field YOU are in) that actually "came up from within the ranks" & in a HARD PRODUCTIVE SCIENCE (not 'marketing' b.s. artist 1/2 truth spouting thieves & hustlers + blatant liars who since I've seen MANY a Fortune 100/500 payroll nationwide in my time as a coder around them in business)? I take it back... since I too, was mgt. @ times (successfully too, chain wide leading), I can state this validly from experience (& IF you're like that, you KNOW what I mean - too many "fake it till you make it" types that are quick buck artists in it to rip off a company blind, & "do unto others & SPLIT" types/crooks that are RUINING this nation)...

... apk

Inefficiencies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927453)

If you can fire 54 people from your blog and still have enough to operate, then you really do have too many employees.

Re:Inefficiencies (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927551)

If you can fire 54 people from your blog and still have enough to operate, then you really do have too many employees.

Bingo! Which is why you fire the empire-building GM and CIO who made it happen.

and considering IT people are responsible for (1)

decora (1710862) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927675)

tens of millions of layoffs as "inefficient" workers are replaced by computers.... maybe they should get a hearty welcome to the real world.

It's a big assumption that mobile will take off. (4, Insightful)

hessian (467078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927477)

There are many things in Net 2.0 that are very popular, but that do not necessarily have utility or profitability.

For example, just about everyone and their dog (on the internet, no one can tell you're a werewolf) uses Facebook, and before it MySpace, Friendster, Digg, Reddit, etc. But do these services have a working business model? It seems they all flounder at that point.

It seems to me that most Net 2.0 firms have an unsustainable business model, which is:

1. Get really popular.
2. ???
3. Sell company -> Profit!

In the same way, we know we've got a lot of people who like using their phones to tweet, click, troll, sext, etc. But is this actually useful? And other than the cell phone providers, is anyone making money off this with a sustainable model?

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927587)

Is it a big assumption that mobile will do better than newspapers in the future? News on paper exists today only because of inertia.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927821)

Is it a big assumption that mobile will do better than newspapers in the future? News on paper exists today only because of inertia.

Yes, it's BIG assumption. Making money on news delivery is hard.

Historical models for making money on news delivery:

  • bards -- worked for a while until newspapers came along
  • newspapers -- worked for a while until electronic media came along
  • radio -- still works, but news is now eclipsed by "news talk"
  • television -- still works

Methods of news delivery that remain unproven as money-makers:

  • Web pages
  • Mobile news apps

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927925)

You can deliver television-like content via mobile.

Getting paid delivering news works for a lot of sites, which are ad-supported. Or slashvertisement-supported.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (2)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42929001)

But do they pay for researching and writing stories? Sites break down, from what I've seen, into two major categories: (1) adjunct outlets for newspaper, broadcast and cable news outlets (2) aggregator and commenting sites like (majors like Google or Yahoo, mid-rank like DrudgeReport or HuffPost and minor league like slashdot).

The latter category are parasitic, including slashdot. They feed off news content generated by newspapers, television and radio news and contribute little or nothing to news content, although they do arguably help inform the public. But with each such service having a self-selected audience attuned to their sitegeist, they tend not to expand the horizons of your knowledge like a general news service or a local/regional newspaper is likely to do.

I'm not saying WashPost shouldn't have a web and mobile presence. They probably should, but if they can't build it into their dominant source of cash, they have to devote the bulk of their staff to print journalism.

neologism "sitegeist" =?= (web)site + zeitgeist (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#42931589)

Re: with each such service having a self-selected audience attuned to their sitegeist. they tend not to expand the horizons of your knowledge ...
.
I like your neologism "sitegeist", which I presume to mean the "zeitgeist" of the website. Was that intentional or a homonymnal-typo?
;>)
btw, I also agree with your assessment. I've randomly followed a few newslinks to the washingtonpost and been rebuffed with the "this content is for paying subscribers only". But I can see their point also when aggregators like yhoo and google eat and regurgitate the washpo's work product and give enough of a taste that people don't even want or need to click through.
.
As for /., every now and then, some of the technically literate (and literally expositorially literate) posters here will write some apropos content in response to an article (e.g. explaining the ins and outs of an airplane's fly-by-wire control system software, or the electrical engineering of a radio system and the underlying carriers, or the arcane but relevent portions of some biomedical system's interacting parts) that actually adds to the information that could not be carried or published in a general news product like a newspaper or magazine. Those kinds of responses make this place worthwhile, as long as the slashvertisements don't get in the way too much.

Re:neologism "sitegeist" =?= (web)site + zeitgeist (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42931659)

Intentional, BUT as it turns out, there is already something called "sitegeist." (http://sitegeist.sunlightfoundation.com/) That focuses on PHYSICAL location. My intent was focusing on, as you say, the prevailing viewpoints associated with a website. I am not the first person to use the term that way. See http://www.sitegeist.com.au/ [sitegeist.com.au] .

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42933119)

Or some people just like the way it feels when held in one hand, reading an article, while eating their breakfast with the other.

Holding a tablet, no matter how light, just isn't the same.

Plus anyone will annoy someone else while holding a tablet; they may not do so while reading a newspaper ("Talking to me during newspaper time is expressly forbidden"). With a tablet, well, they may not know when you are or are not reading the online newspaper, so they will inevitably interrupt you.

On that note, I miss the old Wall St. Journal. I liked the wider paper, among other things. Now I have to find a way to get a daily delivery of Le Monde to my door-step, and it appears to be something of a trial.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42935609)

Holding a tablet, no matter how light, just isn't the same.

OK, so when the current generation of news readers dies, we can finally stop killing trees so that people can have outdated, noninteractive news?

Plus anyone will annoy someone else while holding a tablet; they may not do so while reading a newspaper ("Talking to me during newspaper time is expressly forbidden"). With a tablet, well, they may not know when you are or are not reading the online newspaper, so they will inevitably interrupt you.

OK, so when the current generation of people who hassle people reading tablets dies...

On that note, I miss the old Wall St. Journal. I liked the wider paper, among other things.

Well, I hate everything about printed newspapers, and to me they can't go away fast enough.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927601)

1. Start something not so new and not too old.
2. Get really popular.
3. ???
4. Sell company -> Profit!
5. Go to 1

THIS is a sustainable model!

Or maybe they just read xkcd... (1)

Narrowband (2602733) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927717)

obligatory:

xkcd [xkcd.com]

heck, even slashdot does this, to some degree...

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

yincrash (854885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927771)

Facebook made $1 billion in profit last year, so I'm not sure how your argument holds water.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927811)

Facebook has a market cap today of over 65 billion. There profit margin was less than 1%. So not sure why you raised them as a counter example as so far they have failed miserably to return value for investment

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928543)

You're arguing the wrong question.

For example, just about everyone and their dog (on the internet, no one can tell you're a werewolf) uses Facebook, and before it MySpace, Friendster, Digg, Reddit, etc. But do these services have a working business model?

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928547)

Yes, they are overvalued, but that doesn't mean they don't have a working business model, it just means that the people holding Facebook shares probably paid too much for the shares.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42933573)

But the keep adding "services" to there site. Someone said that corporations get "addicted" to making more money. Why would FB add MORE to their site? To make more. I am beginning to think most "non physical things" are going to do this. You keep making more and more until you die to your bloat. Just hope you jump ship at profit and not die state. I am starting to wonder how MOST the internet can do anything? If you use it as a store front, and have something "physical" it works.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928227)

Yeah, pretty much that. As much as I don't ever like to hear of technology people possibly getting the shaft because of management idiots, there always exists another possibility. It is just perhaps maybe vaguely possible that "mobile", being the current management fad du jour, is full of promises that will never be delivered, and equally full of overpaid people who have no idea how to deliver what management expects. Now, to come full circle, what management expects is instant sources of ever increasing revenue for free, which is mostly why IT people hate them, but we do always approach these things with a certain idea of our own usefulness in a given situation. Sometimes it's not that way.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (1)

doesnothingwell (945891) | about a year and a half ago | (#42931035)

3. Sell company -> Profit!

Call it "chasing the eyeballs", it's just tech harvesting p/r and ad money. It's really funny like a dog chasing its tail.

Re:It's a big assumption that mobile will take off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42931037)

There are many things in Net 2.0 that are very popular, but that do not necessarily have utility or profitability.

For example, just about everyone and their dog (on the internet, no one can tell you're a werewolf) uses Facebook, and before it MySpace, Friendster, Digg, Reddit, etc. But do these services have a working business model?

That's so 1980's of you. Current trend is to cry poor and get subsidised by the government at the expense of some lame nerd scientists who are wasting time discovering things and shit. Yesterday's cool kids haven't outgrown beating up the smart kid for his lunch money.

responsive websites (1, Insightful)

cultiv8 (1660093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927505)

Removing the need for expensive mobile teams and relying on mobile app stores since 2012.

Re "eliminating mobile a strange decision" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927533)

Agree that if WaPo decided that it's future wasn't in mobile, that would be a strange decision. But I'm reading it as, our mobile operation hasn't been successful and we're bleeding cash as a company. Let's fire the guy in charge of that and all the folks he brought on board, and maybe start again a few months down the road with a different guy, or maybe partner with a tech company.

Cue Dice.com in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927545)

I'm sure those newly unemployed people could sure find their next career on dice.com!

NOT (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928223)

Move to Germany, we have not destroyed our industry as you did.

My boss can't find any developers at the moment.

www.vacos.de

Send application to dirk.vialkowitsch@vacos.de. Don't worry about no (yet) speaking German. 50% of English words are (essentially) the same as German words. Almost everybody speaks English here (at least in engineering and sw development). We are based in Stuttgart and so are many American soldiers a. You can meet them in Böblingen in the Irish Bar, if you like to chat to a native American speaker.

The source is unhappy they were let go (3, Insightful)

tlambert (566799) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927549)

The source is unhappy they were let go. The 'inefficiencies' terminology was not attributed in the original source article, which includes a copy of the memo; I'm surprised no one has posted a link to the source article yet, so here it is:

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/washington-post-layoffs-valentines-day_b96626 [mediabistro.com]

According to the original source article, more people than just the mobile team were let go.

I can understand them doing this, particularly since they referenced Web 2.0 in their hiring of Rob Malda (cmdrtaco), HTML5 is enough along that it can be used to deliver the content in a reasonable way, using a centralized paywall, and trying to maintain 7 iOS apps and 100's of Android apps, due to minor variations in platform, makes a browser-based experience a no-brainer, in terms of the money they spend on development.

Overall, I think this does not bode well for non-game, non-vertical market app writers, so for all the people who are thinking that going to app writing is going to be a really lucrative payoff, this is probably the beginning of a trend, and they should consider some other line of work.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927605)

rying to maintain 7 iOS apps and 100's of Android apps, due to minor variations in platform, makes a browser-based experience a no-brainer, in terms of the money they spend on development.

This is where you lost me. This is nonsense. Unless your app is very complex, you can usually get away with just one version. MAYBE two versions; a limited legacy version and a full-featured current version. And on iOS you REALLY don't need multiple versions. On the other hand, then there's still those poor Windows Phone users, it's tempting to just forget about them but many people get suckered into them one way or another. And also next_platform_of_the_week.

It is however true that most trivial apps which require internet access are a fat waste of time and the functionality is better delivered via a website.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927919)

Android, ios, win phone, blackberry. There is your minimum base. Then add possible android variants. Apps are Not the way forward, they are expensive to write and are a support nightmare compared to a centralised site optimised for mobile consumption.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928019)

Android, ios, win phone, blackberry. There is your minimum base.

No-one cares about Windows Phone or Blackberry.

Then add possible android variants.

Unless you can provide a specific, compelling reason for needing multiple Android versions, this can be assumed to be Apple propaganda bullshit.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928069)

Unless you can provide a specific, compelling reason for needing multiple Android versions, this can be assumed to be Apple propaganda bullshit.

Ironically, I [think I] can actually do this. Many android apps don't display their text correctly on Eclair. If you want to support users on antique devices you may need to have an app targeted at 2.x explicitly if you expect your app to work properly there. I don't know how these apps work on Gingerbread, I haven't tested them there, but lots of apps' menus are drawn without text (the lines are there) in Eclair.

With that said, you're not going to need umpteen versions. You're only going to need two. And those versions can probably be based on the same codebase, with some features turned off for the one for old devices.

If you're not doing anything froggy you only need two versions to support all windows phones someone might reasonably encounter, as well; that will let you support WM2002 through WM6.5.x and then also WP7/8. Just in case anyone cases. There IS an advantage to only supporting iOS, because you can reasonably support only a single download. You have to account for different devices, but that's not impossible. But it's certainly not as biased in favor of Apple as some would have you believe, and the situation is nowhere near as bad as many make it out to be (including whoever moderated my above comment down...)

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (1)

mbkennel (97636) | about a year and a half ago | (#42930197)

Many people in DC have a Blackberry because Blackberry got in first to government because of reasonably secure messaging & email.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928475)

On the other hand, then there's still those poor Windows Phone users, it's tempting to just forget about them but many people get suckered into them one way or another.

Poor suckers. Yeah. We pay less for our phones, we don't need to install 1000 different apps that iPhone and Android users need, we don't need fancy software to "sync" our phones, and we get a better user experience on top of everything else. Poor us.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927943)

100's of Android apps, due to minor variations in platform

Surely there can't be people who actually believe this? (As opposed to iFundies who just spew drivel in a desperate attempt to make Android look bad.)

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42929115)

Check out the reviews of the Windows Phone app [windowsphone.com] . When a newpaper's app has obvious misspellings that are uncorrected for over a year, it doesn't reflect well on that newpaper's mobile team.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42930675)

That Windows Phone version of The Washington Post isn't an official app from the company. It's some 3rd party just reusing their feeds illegally.

Re:The source is unhappy they were let go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42929401)

...and trying to maintain 7 iOS apps and 100's of Android apps...

Right on, they should fire the developers making such crap. I've had an objc codebase for five different clients (maintained by just two people!) each having iphone/ipad versions and it is troublesome but with the good amount of hierarchy and inheritance you can reuse code mostly everywhere. And now I'm sharpening my skills with Monotouch/Monodroid because the future is using one developer for mobile where you had one for each platform.

If mobile developers can't see specialization as their problem, progress surely won't wait for them to realize.

John Temple Does It Again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42927711)

Appointed almost a year ago as the newsroom's "Senior Digital Editor", This is the man who was able to loose a circulation war to the Denver Post and close the Rocky Mountain News, yet he still finds employment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ask-the-post/post/john-temple-appointed-a-managing-editor-of-the-washington-post/2012/03/29/gIQAF0mriS_blog.html

To be fair, "inefficiencies" is not his term (2)

gatkinso (15975) | about a year and a half ago | (#42927853)

It has been bandied about for over a decade by consulting agencies who have been hired by corporations who have already decided to downsize.

Re:To be fair, "inefficiencies" is not his term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42931415)

It has been bandied about for over a decade by consulting agencies who have been hired by corporations who have already decided to downsize.

And to be really fair, companies decide to fire people who are inefficient at producing revenue for the cost of employing them.

Sounds like outsourcing to me (2)

Sla$hPot (1189603) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928103)

This sounds like a typical outsourcing job.

Outsourcing whole IT operations is becoming more and more common now a days. Not just projects and support. But the whole package.
Even local management is now a viable candidate.
I guess top level management is the next big thing.
Anything to make a small short term gain. Including the same last centuries management that was once imposed out there, in the third world.
Is time to take your own medicine?
Nah? F..that

Apply Here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42928141)

My boss is looking for capable developers (of ANY kind from VBA to C++) and cannot find them:

www.vacos.de

We are based in Stuttgart/Germany and we work for the automotive industry, which is doing very well.

Send your application to dirk.vialkowitsch@vacos.de

Offshore to Michigan or Ohio (1)

mbkennel (97636) | about a year and a half ago | (#42930219)

There are many under/unemployed developers for the formerly industrialised central USA who can't easily move for family reasons, but you could pay them probably 35% less than in Stuttgart.

Stopped reading WaPo (1)

massysett (910130) | about a year and a half ago | (#42928161)

Stopped looking at WaPo front page some time ago because of the horrible stories there, but would read stories in it on occasion if linked or sent to me. Stopped reading WaPo entirely after this complete junk free internet story [arstechnica.com] . I live in DC and local blogs are better news sources than WaPo for local news, and for national news there are plenty of other sources. WaPo is never anything but an utter waste of time. Too bad--newspaper of Woodward and Bernstein and all that.

Re:Stopped reading WaPo (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#42930015)

local blogs are better news sources than WaPo for local news

I'm not in DC, but I've never found this to be the case unless all you care about is one single narrow issue. Blogs always spring up to beat some particular horse to death, but I haven't seen them do much actual news gathering.

If you really believed this to be true, you should've at least provided a link to one of your area' blogs that covers a wide range of local news without relying on stories originating with either the local newspapers, local news radio, or local television news reporting.

Local (1)

Spazmania (174582) | about a year and a half ago | (#42930021)

As a local (northern Virginia) I read the Washington Post online. I also have an Android phone. I have not used the Post's mobile apps. Not even once. Before reading this article, it had not even occurred to me that I might want to.

This says something about the value of the post's mobile apps and, by extension, the 54 (54!!) people hired to build and maintain them.

Re:Local (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42930643)

Only 5 people of the 54 let go were on the mobile team. The rest were in other departments.

Fallback: government media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42930489)

Newspapers are struggling everywhere. People are so used to free content (which is available) they aren't willing to pay for it. At the same time, with the Internet, why would you need so many newspapers, which are getting their stories from the same international news agencies anyway.

In Finland, we have this unpopular scheme (which I happen to like): every resident of Finland who has income pays a media tax (up to €140 per annum) to support the government media company [www.yle.fi] . They do radio and TV broadcasting but also produce Internet content including news. It's nice to know there's at least one news media organization that can concentrate on its information and culture mission without staring at its balance sheet.

Re:Fallback: government media (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42933697)

Somehow, that makes me think that only the opinion of those in power will get posted. Call my skeptical.

WaPo Employee here (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42930775)

A few facts to clarify things here.

The Post isn't getting rid of their entire mobile division. Basically, there was a product management team that collaborated with the news room and developers to build these products.

It seems that once the core products were built, it was decided that the news room would just take over maintenance of these products and the people who created them were thanked with a pink slip in order to cut costs.

Washington Post is a print-first company with absolutely no true desire to go mobile. It threatens their core (and dying) business model: maintaining circulation of a newspaper with overpriced ads.

Happening here too (1)

richman555 (675100) | about a year and a half ago | (#42931671)

I have just experienced this at my current company. They are just cutting many experienced development positions and then outsourcing those jobs to India. This is for a large thriving ecommerce company.

WashPo Mobile Staff SHOULD be Fired (2)

sampson7 (536545) | about a year and a half ago | (#42937913)

I am a DC refuge and was a dedicated Post dead-tree reader for decades. These days, I primarily access the Washington Post through their website (which I would happily pay for, by the way). As an avid consumer of online media, I can personally attest that the Post's implementation of "mobile" content is just abysmal. Their iPad app was, until a few months ago, a total embarassment. Many of their "special" mobile features (of which I have downloaded and deleted more then one within minutes of downloading them) crash more often then they work. Frankly, if I were the editor-in-chief, I would have fired the mobile division staff for sheer incompetence long ago.

I have no inside information -- but I wonder if there's a positive take from all of this: the Washington Post has long been behind the curve in reaching out on mobile devices. Perhaps this isn't the end of their efforts to improve their web presence, but the beginning of a more serious effort. Just a thought. Time will tell.
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