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Laser Intended For Mars Used To Detect "Honey Laundering"

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the watch-your-bees-and-clues dept.

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A laser tool funded by the European Space Agency to measure carbon on Mars is now being used to help detect fake honey. By burning a few milligrams of honey the laser isotope ratio-meter can help determine its composition and origin. From the article: "According to a Food Safety News investigation, more than a third of honey consumed in the U.S. has been smuggled from China and may be tainted with illegal antibiotics and heavy metals. To make matters worse, some honey brokers create counterfeit honey using a small amount of real honey, bulked up with sugar, malt sweeteners, corn or rice syrup, jaggery (a type of unrefined sugar) and other additives—known as honey laundering. This honey is often mislabeled and sold on as legitimate, unadulterated honey in places such as Europe and the U.S."

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Buy local honey (5, Informative)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932485)

Most places in the US have a small local honey industry. Support it.

Re:Buy local honey (4, Insightful)

gregor-e (136142) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932527)

That's great and all, but in my experience, small local one-jar-at-a-time-by-hand producers charge about twice as much as the grocery store does. I can't believe that all the honey in the grocery store is fake. Or that the local producer's honey is really twice as good.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Insightful)

Abstrackt (609015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932543)

I just make mead for my local apiary and get honey by the bucket in exchange. That obviously won't work for everybody but it's worth a shot if you're feeling adventurous.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932811)

Wait a minute. 'Honey bucket' means something dramatically different where I come from.

Re:Buy local honey (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932899)

hehe, yeah, me too. I have a coworker. She's a hot piece of ass, but she prefers black guys. I'm not black. Neither is her husband. Sometimes we go out to lunch when she's got a case of jungle fever. BBQ, Fried Chicken, Soul Food etc. When she sees a big strong black guy (or two) go into the men's room, she goes in after him. After he leaves, I go in and she lets me clean up her honey bucket :)

Re:Buy local honey (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932951)

Yes, you do not want to mix up the honey buckets when you want an additive for your tea.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Insightful)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932545)

Don't know about your local market, but in our market, yes, it is twice as good... and then some. Plus if you're talking about produce, it hasn't been on a truck half way across the country before getting to the display shelf, so you can be sure it's fresh. You do taste a difference.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Insightful)

StormShaman (603879) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932641)

Fresh? I thought honey lasted for years. It certainly has to in my house; I don't use it very fast.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932715)

Honey is one of the few foods to have a shelf life [shelflifeadvice.com] that approaches the half-life of uranium. There's honey dug up out of ancient Egyptian tombs that is/was still considered edible.

OTOH, the taste apparently degrades with time, which may explain GP's assertion.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Informative)

Myopic (18616) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932723)

The shelf life of honey is measured in centuries. Freshness is a canard. There may be good reasons to buy local honey, but that isn't one of them.

Re:Buy local honey (2)

cffrost (885375) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932897)

Fresh? I thought honey lasted for years. It certainly has to in my house; I don't use it very fast.

Yes, but eksith said, "Plus if you're talking about produce, [...] you can be sure it's fresh."

Re:Buy local honey (1)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932935)

Nerds these days do seem to have a worrying lack of attention to detail ;) Besides you and ridgecritter below, everyone thought I was referring to only honey.

Re:Buy local honey (4, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932903)

Much like the $100 audio cables, even as a person who really likes honey, i can't tell the difference. I certainly can tell between "honey flavored syrup" sold in the grocery store and actual honey, but for real honey it all tastes about the same to me. Same with syrup. I like to spring for actual maple syrup but beyond it just being real maple syrup the various brands don't taste any different.

Dunno. Maybe my pallet just isn't refined. I can't tell the difference between an "organic" vegetable and the regular ones from the grocery store either.

Re:Buy local honey (4, Insightful)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932933)

Fresh? I thought honey lasted for years.

It does. That's why the honey you buy at the Stop & Shop could have been sitting in a tank in China for several years.

Re:Buy local honey (4, Interesting)

ridgecritter (934252) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932855)

Agreed. Our local hardware store sells honey from local producers. Variety varies depending on what's in bloom and it's minimally processed, which I think is why it tastes so much better than the stuff in major grocery stores. The price is lots higher and I buy less of it than I might if I were buying at Safeway, but I enjoy it much more and I'm glad to support the local beekeepers. It's nice to drive by the hives where the honey came from on my way home.

Buying local (2, Insightful)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932555)

When you buy local, it tends to have a greater economic impact on your local economy than if you buy from outside your local area.

This information is useful to people who give a greater or lesser "moral weight" to supporting their local economy vs. their regional economy vs. their domestic economy vs. the world economy. Those who more strongly favor firing the economic engines of 3rd world countries than they do their domestic, regional, or local economic engine will use this information and say "Sell me that 3rd world honey, please, even if I have to pay extra." Those who favor the opposite may be willing to pay a premium - perhaps even a 100% premium - for locally grown/locally produced goods.

Re:Buying local (0)

foniksonik (573572) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932807)

I support the local local economy, meaning my own. I source what I need for the best price / convenience (read time savings) / quality. Local vs world or other economies never play a role in my decision. The only foreseeable downside is a lack of variety in some far off future my great grandchildren may have to worry about - though there are many many variables in that potential scenario.

If I lived in a small town in a remote area I'd think differently (unless I was a shut in hermit, then is just spend all my time writing manifestos, local economy be damned).

Re:Buying local (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932911)

You probably live as an anonymous drone in an anonymous apartment and have little to no connection with your community. Sounds like a pathetic life.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Interesting)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932561)

The farmers I buy from charge perhaps 15% more; the product tastes a fair bit better. There's my frickin' anecdote.

I was surprised by the 1/3+ figure in TFS too. That's a huge amount of honey to be slipping under the FDA radar, way too high to not become a major scandal, you'd think.

Re:Buy local honey (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932627)

I think what scared me the most is what antibiotics are in it, and what heavy metals? If you dupe me with something that is edible, but sugar related I wouldn't be as mad. I don't know, are those just scare words?

Re:Buy local honey (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932725)

I'm trying to figure out why there would be antibiotics in it? Do we have bee antibiotics? Or are these flower antibiotics?

Re:Buy local honey (4, Informative)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932737)

Answering my own question:
"Oxytetracycline, an antibiotic, is widely used by keepers to get queen bees to lay more eggs."

So there you go!

Re:Buy local honey (4, Informative)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932959)

It's not just oxetetracycline [fda.gov] , I'm afraid.

Unfortunately, the FDA only inspects a tiny fraction of what's out there.

As for heavy metals, Chinese apiaries too often use lead soldered frames. Honey reacts with metals, unfortunately.

Re:Buy local honey (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932573)

seriously?

for as much as a person buys does it really matter if it cost twice as much to know you're getting locally-produced product? just skip a $6 coffee on the one day every six months honey is on your grocery list.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Funny)

Zemran (3101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932793)

" just skip a $6 coffee on the one day"???

Are you crazy? The neighbours would be wearing the honey... A day without coffee is far too dangerous.

Re:Buy local honey (2)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932591)

honey is one of the most important substances on the planet. As are the bees involved. It would do well to avoid grocery store honey whenever possible.

Re:Buy local honey (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932617)

I know an old neighbor in the town I grew up in. His honey is way better than store bought, and I wouldn't gladly buy it.

Re:Buy local honey (4, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932621)

Sorry, but good honey have *never* been cheap. If it's cheap, it's probably not very good (it's good indicator).

Re:Buy local honey (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932745)

I can't believe that all the honey in the grocery store is fake.

If it costs half as much, odds are its got filler in it.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Informative)

Izuzan (2620111) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932747)

no they just get it cheap from china and Argentina. Billy Bee honey in Canada is about 90% foreign honey that they buy dirt cheap. they are also getting what is called Honey Analog which is what this test is there to detect. gathering honey is FAR from an easy job. it is heavy hot and hard work for little pay out. (my parents are one of the bigger honey producers in Ontario) you dont make any money through the winter months. (other than what you can sell from the door) and you are going all balls to the wall during the summer. honey boxes on average weigh about 80lbs each, each yard my parents have has 20 hives, each with an average of 2-3 of these boxes coming off at any one time. then you have to exact it. to do 2 skids of boxes which is 12-16 boxes per skid is an entire days work. when they do sell their honey to packers (billy bee) they want to pay about half what the from the door price is. they make a not to bad living doing it. about 75k a year in a good year. but that is generally all at once when they sell to a packer. so that has to last them the entire year. i would not wish it on anybody. i would not get into the family business unless i had to.

Re:Buy local honey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932975)

Im an avid honey buyer in Southern Ontario and havent seen any local offerings in some time, so i'd be interested to know where i can order some of your parents honey!

Re:Buy local honey (3, Interesting)

Izuzan (2620111) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932757)

Something also to consider Honey you buy from the farmer wont be pasteurized. meaning all of the vitamins taste and other nutrients are still there. Pasteurization kills honey. it is no better than corn syrup after being pasteurized.

Re:Buy local honey (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932833)

I hate to break the news to you but yes the majority of all honey sold in supermarkets is Fake Honey.
http://www.foodrenegade.com/your-honey-isnt-honey/

Re:Buy local honey (1)

meglon (1001833) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932845)

I'd suggest any sampling based on 1 persons local area is probably not the norm, and may not even be close to average. While you have your local experience, here's mine: My brother, who has a small umber of hives, and does sell his honey one jar at a time (as opposed to when he was younger selling by the barrel to regional honey distributors), sells his lower than the area's stores do... not by a lot.... but lower, and it is definitely better honey. Additionally, other people he knows in the small end business sell roughly at the same price, and that price is lower than the 60lbs bucket rate at those regional honey distributors.

My suggestion is: find a different local beekeeper, and compare prices, or hell, even eBay if your local deal is charging twice the grocery store price. You'd get a better deal even with the postage, as twice grocery store prices is pretty obscene.... and pretty hard to believe.

It's worth it (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932869)

I buy Crockett's Desert Honey since that's the local stuff here and man, so much tastier than generic clover honey. Whatever desert wildflowers the bees are snacking on, it gives it a very complex and tasty flavour. So worth the extra money.

I mean if you are using it in mass quantities, ok maybe the cost is a problem, but for normal household use a container of honey should last a reasonable amount of time (it is high calorie, you shouldn't slather it on stuff) so it really won't hit your budget that much.

You can usually find the smaller honey producers in good grocers. Crockett's is sold in Safeway in my region. Grocers often stock some local products. By the same token I can get really good local tortillas in Safeway here, since they are made here (in town in fact).

Do a bit of looking around, you probably can get local honey, you can probably get it at a convenient store, and it probably isn't too expensive.

Or go order Crockett's from their site. It really is my favourite honey I've ever had.

Re:Buy local honey (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932877)

Get your honey from Trader Joe's then. Another article reported on testing of honey from major super markets, and pretty much all of it was fake with the exception of the honey they got from Trader Joe's, co-ops, and farmers markets.

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/11/09/most-honey-sold-in-u-s-grocery-stores-not-worthy-of-its-name/ [cnn.com]

Re:Buy local honey (1)

hairyfish (1653411) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932915)

Price might matter if you're buying a million jars of honey. I get a few months out of a single jar, I think that whole extra $1 is worth it to not be poisoned.

Re:Buy local honey (5, Insightful)

cyn1c77 (928549) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932553)

Most places in the US have a small local honey industry. Support it.

Supporting local businesses is good if you want small business to remain alive.

But that's not going to stop a "local" merchant from buying Chinese fake honey, pouring it in smaller bottles, and then selling it at twice the price.

So buying local isn't really a fix for smuggling and fraud.

Re:Buy local honey (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932599)

um...i think the gp was referring to buying it from the actual producer...you know... the guy with all the bees.

can't tell if you're being deliberately disingenuous or not, but you sound REAL dumb.

The actual producer? (5, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932613)

They guy with all the bees is just the slave-driving middleman.

If you really want to buy from the actual producers, buy from the bees themselves. :)

Re:The actual producer? (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932665)

I would mod you up if I had funny mod points. :)

Re:The actual producer? (5, Funny)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932743)

Yep, even I have only "Insightful" and "Interesting" mod points left.

Re:The actual producer? (1)

tehlinux (896034) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932701)

I buy from the head bee guy.

Re:The actual producer? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932829)

I buy from the head bee guy.

Then you're doing it wrong. The head of the hive is always a queen..

Re:Buy local honey (2)

codegen (103601) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932659)

Even the guy with all the bees is not immune from corruption. He could be bulking up his own honey with corn syrup or other subsitutes as well.

Re:Buy local honey (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932787)

He could be bulking up his own honey with corn syrup or other subsitutes as well.

That's fairly sexist, especially since our, err, the horrible Queen is responsible for honey laundering. Freaking monarchies...

(On the Internet, nobody knows you're a bee.)

Re:Buy local honey (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932693)

This. Our local farmer's market has a whole stall dedicated to peanuts - which don't grow within 1000 miles of here.

Re:Buy local honey (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932949)

in fact, i bet the guy selling bulk honey at the farmer's market is much more likely to use this inferior stuff than a name brand supermarket item. At the very least, Mickey D's labels its honey as "honey sauce" and includes an ingredients list that is mostly HFCS.
 
Sadly, you can expect better transparency from big agra in this case than the local "farmer"

Re:Buy local honey (5, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932657)

This advice cannot be overstated. The benefits cannot be overstated. When I travel, and am going to be there a week, I try to get a bit of local honey. It really helps with my allergies. It also provides an unique local flavor. Yes it does cost more and many will complain that the flavor is inconsistent, but do we really want to live in a world where everything is made to minimize cost and maximize consistency. I am sure that many do. For those who don't, local honey is one way to make the world a less banal place.

Re:Buy local honey (2)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932677)

I take tomatoes. I didn't think about it until I grew some last year. The ones in the store are all perfect. And taste bland. Boy were the home grown ones better. But we do this to have them year round and consistent. I want to get better at cooking to the season rather than to the bland stuff. I do try and cook from scratch. So that helps knowing what is in your food.

Re:Buy local honey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932881)

yet many of the same people that cry "support local businesses" in this context, buy stuff on amazon or newegg all the time without batting an eye.

fucking hypocrites.

Re:Buy local honey (1)

DFurno2003 (739807) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932895)

I have 30 hives in Douglas, Ma. I travel within an hour to farmers markets to peddle my honey. I've never had a complaint, I often have repeat buyers and I even have several small stores wanting to consign honey, as well as a lady that uses it to make soaps. Good honey literally sells itself, Plus it has an amazing shelf life. Douglas Honey Company.

All the more reason (4, Informative)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932503)

You should try to buy from your local Farmer's Market if there's one nearby, whenever possible. You will be supporting your local economy and you can be reasonably sure a local merchant isn't pumping poison into the product or the groundwater (or else someone will have noticed). Especially when it's their water too.

I stocked up on some excellent honey and combs (these are delicious!) past Summer from our local market and they hold one at least twice a week near the town square. It's a good way to meet people in your area the old fasioned way too as opposed to FB, Twitter et al.

Only stupid Usasians (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932505)

would be dumb enough to fall for that. if they weren't stuffing their fat, patriotic, uncultured faces all the damn time, they might be able to taste something

Free trade only works to our benefit if it is safe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932521)

We should stop importing products that may be unsafe and force those countries we trade with to clean up there acts.

China should not be allowed to get away with being unregulated. They should have to comply with the same health, environmental, and other codes american companies have to comply with. If they can't do it then we should stop trading with them and foster the development of our own industries again.

Re:Free trade only works to our benefit if it is s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932783)

And fair, as in both markets being accessible to the respective other party.

And fair, as in no gov't subsidized industry, no selling products at or below cost to destroy the other's industry, etc.

Not mentioned in the article... (5, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932523)

Ok, fake honey is bad. But even legitimate Chinese honey is crap. Honey is honey, right? Bees fly around, collect nectar, then spit out honey. (Yeah, yeah, the types of flowers affects the taste. I'm getting to that.) But a lot of Chinese honey doesn't involve flowers at all -- the bees drink sugar water. For all I know, that happens in the US, too. As mentioned above, go to a farmer's market and buy some local honey.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (4, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932565)

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe in the U.S. the economics work out so that there's no incentive to fake the flower part and have your bees drink sugar water. Sort of the opposite, actually. Bees for crop pollination are enough in demand that some beekeepers actually make more money taking them around to pollinate crops than they do from selling the honey!

OT: .sig (1)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932629)

A spectre is haunting Amazon: the spectre of $0 communism [amzn.to]

Don't worry, they'll make it up in volume.

Advertising volume, that is.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932649)

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe in the U.S. the economics work out so that there's no incentive to fake the flower part and have your bees drink sugar water. Sort of the opposite, actually

Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most honey farmers will take out so much honey of the hives that they have to feed the bees sugar water to survive the winter. This in turn leads to crappier honey next season.

Some of the apiaries wont do this to their bees (and customers). But for most of them, even local ones, money is what matters, and sugar and corn syrup is a lot cheaper than honey.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (5, Informative)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932791)

Most honey farmers will take out so much honey of the hives that they have to feed the bees sugar water to survive the winter.

I have a beehive in my backyard. I always give them some sugar water during the winter. I don't know any other beekeepers that don't do the same. It helps lower the winter die-back, and helps the hive get a strong start in the spring.

This in turn leads to crappier honey next season.

I have never heard this before. The bees eat the sugar, and it is all consumed by the time they start making new honey. I give them their last feeding in February, and they don't start making new honey till April. The sugar is not mixed with honey harvested for human consumption.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (1)

ridgecritter (934252) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932879)

Thanks for this, would mod you informative if I had points. Interesting.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (4, Interesting)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932917)

I have a beehive in my backyard. I always give them some sugar water during the winter. I don't know any other beekeepers that don't do the same. It helps lower the winter die-back, and helps the hive get a strong start in the spring.

So does leaving enough honeycomb for the bees. Where I come from, the hive would have nine frames, of which two would remain unharvested. If you want to give them a strong start, keep a frame in the freezer for spring.

Yes, I boycott apiaries that feed sugar water, except in abnormal circumstances that wasn't due to taking too much honey in the first place.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (3, Informative)

Izuzan (2620111) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932779)

They also don't have the food and safety laws we do in the US and Canada. much of the honey from china is from small farmers that are using old burlap sacks to squeeze the honey out of the comb. they all bring their honey to a central area and pour it into a big bin. in Canada at least if the govt tests your honey and finds a chemical that is more than the legal parts per million ALL of your honey is condemned. they confiscate it and you get no money that year. my parents have to have Samples from each yard they have to send to the govt for testing. if something is wrong they can take the honey from the problem yard.

Re:Not mentioned in the article... (1)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932955)

the bees drink sugar water. For all I know, that happens in the US, too. As mentioned above, go to a farmer's market and buy some local honey.

Bees are fed sugar and sugar water even in small local apiaries to help replace the honey the humans are stealing from the hive.

Ah, that explains everything (2, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932535)

illegal antibiotics and heavy metals

Now we know the real "ancient Chinese secret ingredients" in the "Chinese Miracle Honey" that promises that I'll "Never get another infection again."

At least that's what "Chromium Carl" and his predecessor, "Mercury Mike," keep saying on the infomericals.

Re:Ah, that explains everything (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932635)

I don't know who Carl and Mike are, but honey has quite a few medicinal uses, including as an antiseptic. They mostly involve slathering it on your skin rather than eating it, though.

Sorry about the humor fail there folks (2)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932709)

I had the "deadpan" setting a bit too high. Please accept my apologies.

Re:Sorry about the humor fail there folks (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932773)

This is a purely technical, fact based discussion forum. Confusing humor is recommended against in the guidelines.

Re:Sorry about the humor fail there folks (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932841)

This is a purely technical, fact based discussion forum. Confusing humor is recommended against in the guidelines.

Good grammar, however...

Check ingredients, too (2)

taz346 (2715665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932547)

In addition to buying locally produced honey, which is available in most of the U.S., people really need to be reading the ingredient labels on other foods they buy. After reading the Food Safety News report linked to in the article, I'd bet that if a product lists honey as an ingredient and is made by a huge food conglomerate, odds are the honey, or whatever it really is, came from China. And we in the U.S. really need to put some teeth in the FDA's inspection process.

Re:Check ingredients, too (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932719)

People need to stop buying clear honey, which cannot be traced using traditional methods. The pollen allows honey to be traced, but clear honey doesn't contain any pollen.

"To make matters worse" (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932549)

So... Taking some real honey and add HFCS is worse than having "illegal antibiotics" (whatever that means) and heavy metals ?

FFS when will they stop these articles full of "allegedly" "may contains" in between scary words, and stick to facts instead...

Seriously if we are going this route, it also "may" contain plutonium, or the cure to Cancer.

Sensationalism is what rules, feeling and not information.

if you think that's bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932601)

wait 'till you learn what they do to our Coke...

Coke nothing... (3, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932661)

Wait until you find out how Slurm(TM) is made.

Re:Coke nothing... (1)

DKlineburg (1074921) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932697)

But I'm addicted to that, I keep slurming it down!

Taste varies by location (1, Informative)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932605)

Like wine and some other food products, honey CAN taste different based on the flowers the bees feed from.

"National chain" honey is likely either from the same region year after year and/or it's a blend that's controlled to ensure a consistent product from year to year.

Heck, as a consumer, if I wasn't specifically looking for "pure" honey I would expect some added ingredients, including small amounts of flavoring and cheaper sweeteners, to allow the company to sell me something that "tasted like honey" at a lower price and with greater batch-to-batch and year-to-year consistency. Then again, I'm the kind of guy who usually buys name-brand relatively cheap fizzy drinks instead of small-label, all-natural-ingredients expensive ones. But when I do buy "carbonated grape juice" I expect it to be nothing but pure carbonated grape juice.

The one thing I do demand as a food customer is an accurate label that lists all flavor-, texture-, and medically-significant ingredients (e.g. allergens, anything with nutritional value, etc.), and all non-trace ingredients.

Re:Taste varies by location (3, Interesting)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932837)

Like wine and some other food products, honey CAN taste different based on the flowers the bees feed from.

Generally darker honey has a stronger flavor. Honey from white clover is very light and has a mild taste. The darkest honey that I have tasted was from buckwheat blossoms. Buckwheat honey is as dark as molasses, and the taste is fantastic. I keep a beehive in my backyard, and usually plant a patch of buckwheat just for the bees.

Re:Taste varies by location (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932853)

Like wine and some other food products, honey CAN taste different based on the flowers the bees feed from.

Not only CAN, but DOES. In most countries, it's sold with the predominant flower type being part of the name. My preference is for ling honey, but others prefer different flavors.

Of course, in the US, that naming convention wouldn't work well -- who would buy Monsanto Roundup Ready Honey?

Space Industry Technology (4, Insightful)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932615)

Once again, space industry technology is applicable to everyday life right here on earth. Pay attention, you stupid assholes in government!

Re:Space Industry Technology (1, Insightful)

mfwitten (1906728) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932713)

It would no doubt be much more efficient to develop "space" technology from everyday advancements, rather than to develop everyday advancements from "space" technology. This is because everyday advancements fund themselves.

Among rational people, it would be difficult to procure funding for planting an American flag on the Moon, but it would be easy to procure funding for GPS, satellite communications, asteroid mining, transportation, weather and geographical mapping, etc. These are all things that could lead to planting a flag on the Moon when it becomes inexpensive to do so through some private enterprise that already exists due to having served some directly useful purpose in people's lives.

The world is full of wankers (4, Insightful)

multiben (1916126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932619)

Fake honey? Really? I wasn't even aware there was a fake honey underworld. I love honey and now I have to worry about whether some fuckwit has filled it with something else? Thanks alot you wankers.

Not wankers (4, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932699)

This was about adulterating honey with other sweet materials or honey that is contaminated with antibiotics and heavy metals.

If a wanker is adulterating your honey, well, I think I'd rather die of heavy metal poisoning than think about what he's adulterating it with.

Re:Not wankers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932831)

This was about adulterating honey with other sweet materials or honey that is contaminated with antibiotics and heavy metals.

If a wanker is adulterating your honey, well, I think I'd rather die of heavy metal poisoning than think about what he's adulterating it with.

So the product of a man's balls is more repugnant to you than a bug's spit? Interesting... especially when you consider that every human being you've ever met, and you, are all products of the product of a man's balls, and you (generally,) either HAVE balls attached to you, or have plumbing that is optimized to accept the aforementioned product, and make babies out of it, namely a vagina, (and cervix, uterus, etc.)

As long as it's pasteurized, and doesn't carry any kind of contaminant, like viruses, parasites, etc., it's just goo. I don't see what the big deal is.

So your revulsion and stated preference that you'd rather be poisoned is... interesting.

As long as it doesn't contain horse meat .. (4, Informative)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932623)

But seriously, don't buy clear honey. Honey can be traced by the pollen, which has been removed in clear honey.

Re:As long as it doesn't contain horse meat .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932819)

Speaking of horses - I'm not sure which is more surprising: horse meat appearing in beef products or the UK allowing upto 1% horse meat in beef products.

Re:As long as it doesn't contain horse meat .. (1)

Demonantis (1340557) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932945)

Did you know there is an acceptable limit on the amount of bugs in chocolate? This is what happens when you distance yourself from the producer. Best case you should know who grows your food. It makes them responsible.

Laser Laundering Countermeasure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932631)

I've got honey that can detect "laser laundering."
You pour it on a laser, and if it doesn't turn red, then green, then brown, it's a real laser.
Works every time.

Re:Laser Laundering Countermeasure (2, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932689)

I tried what you said.

Now my laser is all sticky. Would laundering it help?

It's stupid anyways... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932673)

You're eating bee vomit to begin with... You really care that it isn't "pure" puke? Fucktards...

Food products from China? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932729)

Why would anyone buy a food product made in China? You can pretty much count on it containing something it shouldn't or not containing something it should. I don't even buy pans made in China, and that's a chore. Electronics ok, but anything to do with food, Chinese products are out.

Re:Food products from China? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932821)

Why would anyone buy a food product made in China? ... I don't even buy pans made in China ...

Its not just you. A majority of middle class and affluent Chinese consumers prefer US and European made products and food for these very same reasons. They themselves doubt the safety of their domestic products.

When a naked Bar Rafaeli covered in honey (1, Offtopic)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932765)

appears on your doorstep and wants to have mindblowing sex with you, you can zap her with a powerful mars laser, call her out as a fraud slathered in high fructose corn syrup, and send her on her way.

Re:When a naked Bar Rafaeli (sic) covered in honey (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932863)

appears on your doorstep and wants to have mindblowing sex with you, you can zap her with a powerful mars laser, call her out as a fraud slathered in high fructose corn syrup, and send her on her way.

I think I'd like to zap her with my laser, if you know what I'm saying... then lick the HFCS off her!

Actually that's backwards. I'd lick the HFCS off her, THEN zap her! Repeatedly, and as often as possible. I'm getting older and takes my laser a few minutes to recharge in between... discharges, but it's still good for a bunch in a day, with proper fueling and cooling.

Sorry, what were we talking about again?

Re:When a naked Bar Rafaeli covered in honey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932889)

Off topic? It contains nearly ALL of the key words from TFS.

I once found a bee hive... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42932805)

It never occurred to me it was a license to print my own honey!

Need a laser to find honey?! (-1, Flamebait)

Terry Jordon (2843937) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932865)

Are you fuckers for real? Fake Honey? FAKE honey? With all the shit we have to worry about, we want to worry about fake honey? lets see a. Honey is sweet b. Honey is sticky c. Honey is better for you than sugar. How the fuck hard is it to FAKE that? Hmmm..We'lll keep it brown/gold ... but make it taste like watermelon! That will trick them! And SUUUURe. We need a GODDAMN LASER to figure this shit out.... .Lets spend a billion dollars to create a goddamn "FAKE HONEY" LASER TRACKING SYSTEM! Forget about using that money for: * bailing out wallstreet * or a new economy stimulus package Lets build a BIG ASS LASER!! Really? Slashdot why is this newsworthy?

True Source Certified (TM) ? (2)

maxwells_deamon (221474) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932919)

I was aware of problems with imported honey being adulterated. I know it is not an absolute guarantee but is this label a good idea for now?

OT: Fake maple syrup (2)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about a year and a half ago | (#42932977)

There's a lot of domestic fake maple syrup, which is nothing but maple syrup-flavored corn syrup. So, don't get too nationalistic in criticizing the crap the Chinese are sending us.

BTW, I heard a year or so a go there was an effort to make a law banning selling anything not pure maple syrup as such.

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