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Report: Windows Blue Reaches Its First Milestone Build

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the must-increment-version-number-faster dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft watcher Mary Jo Foley has been collecting tips on Microsoft's accelerated Windows development schedule, codenamed 'Blue.' She reports that the program, which is attempting to replace the multiyear product drops for the Windows-branded desktop, server, phone, and network services products with a more agile release cycle, with better continuity across the suite, has just hit the first of two scheduled milestone builds. What's in the build? As with North Korea's nuclear program, details are scarce, but so far we have a Chinese Windows start screen; indications that the kernel number has been bumped from 'NT 6.2' (Windows 8) to 'NT 6.3'; and a job posting for a Windows Blue SDET (test engineer). Slashdot reported on Windows Blue in November."

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Windows Blue... (5, Funny)

kh31d4r (2591021) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953383)

... screen?

Re:Windows Blue... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953709)

balls

Re:Windows Blue... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953737)

Offtopic? I would have taken troll or redundant but offtopic? It's the name sake of Windows. I don't care if it seldom happens anymore. You can't lose heritage like that. Mods, you fucked up. Now, the only way out is to mod it funny.

Re:Windows Blue... (-1, Flamebait)

tdrak (1085007) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953865)

If you don't think this is funny then you should not be reading post on /.

Re:Windows Blue... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953963)

How is it funny? It's totally played out. You still giggling at knock-knock jokes? Other things that are not funny: "Does it run Linux?", "Flying chairs", "In soviet russia...", anything xkcd.

I've upped my standards. Up yours.

Re:Windows Blue... (2, Funny)

telchine (719345) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954255)

I've upped my standards. Up yours.

You said "up yours", *snigger*

Re:Windows Blue... (5, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954387)

You said "up yours", *snigger*

I hope GP isn't a blind black guy with a screen reader.

Re:Windows Blue... (1)

Cwix (1671282) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954663)

Now THAT was funny.

Re:Windows Blue... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954267)

Knock Knock!
Who's there?
The!
The Who?
Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

Re:Windows Blue... (0)

dimeglio (456244) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954313)

It IS funny. First thing I thought of as well. Good thing we've got mods with a sense of humour.

Re:Windows Blue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954463)

There is such a thing as being too serious. Don't like the memes here? Go to another site, it's easy.

Re:Windows Blue... (5, Funny)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954625)

There is such a thing as being too serious. Don't like the memes here? Go to another site, it's easy.

I don't want to put in the 19 clicks to get to another site.

Re:Windows Blue... (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954693)

I would mod you funny but I already posted my meme.

Re:Windows Blue... (4, Funny)

Spottywot (1910658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954479)

How is it funny? It's totally played out. You still giggling at knock-knock jokes? Other things that are not funny: "Does it run Linux?", "Flying chairs", "In soviet russia...", anything xkcd.

I've upped my standards. Up yours.

Knock knock.

Who's there?

In Soviet Russia.

In Soviet Russia who?

In Soviet Rusia, worn out meme laughs at YOU! [xkcd.com]

Re:Windows Blue... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954385)

Application for Windows Blue Test Engineer position

Education: Navy Academy

Work experience: 3 years in the development of SGI Indigo. 5 years in the Blue Man Group.

Computer skills: Word, Excel.

Relevant hobbies: blues band.

Re:Windows Blue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954487)

... screen?

No....balls.

Man I just can't get these codecs to work!

Re:Windows Blue... (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954681)

Windows bsod.

Windows Blue... (-1, Offtopic)

stox (131684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953389)

... Balls?

Windows Blue... (3, Funny)

stox (131684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953393)

...chunks?

Windows Blue... (5, Funny)

stox (131684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953399)

...It?

OK, I'll stop now (-1, Redundant)

stox (131684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953405)

Talk about shooting fish in a barrel. The possibilities are endless.

Re:OK, I'll stop now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953419)

Oh come on, you had to do this one:

Windows Blue... Waffles

Re:OK, I'll stop now (1)

stox (131684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953457)

OMG! Where's the eye bleach? Congratulations! You got me on that one.

Re:OK, I'll stop now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953595)

noob

Re:OK, I'll stop now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954645)

you just got internetted

Re:OK, I'll stop now (0)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953455)

Wow, quintuple-first-post... impressive :)

Re:OK, I'll stop now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953637)

impressive :)

It's hilarious as well.

MS reputation managers are going to run out of mod points trying to clean this one up!

Re:OK, I'll stop now (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953665)

Actually it was quintuple-second-post.

Windows Blue... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953465)

tooth

Windows Blue... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953487)

...me

Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop apps (4, Interesting)

Myria (562655) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953513)

Let me guess... they've gone further on their way to declare desktop applications as deprecated? With Windows 8, Microsoft has made it clear that it thinks that desktop applications are on their way out, and the only way to go is to make programs for Metro.

Oh, and I'll put this out there: won't run unsigned programs by default, though I suspect that this will be like OS X 10.8 and allow being turned off.

All part of boiling the frog.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953685)

You're probably right :(

I wonder if the catastrophic failure of the Metro-Only Windows RT will be enough to serve as a heads-up...

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (5, Insightful)

Alkonaut (604183) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954039)

They will never, ever be able to remove support for the legacy desktop apps that is what keep customers from moving away from windows. What they WILL do however, is realize that home users don't really provide as much income as they should for microsoft. Apple is a shining example of a company that makes money from consumers, not business. Microsofts cash-cow is income from people using workstations and servers in offices around the world. So the question: How can microsoft make good business from consumers, without risking their revenue stream from business? Answer: by separating the tiers further. Make desktop/legacy a "premium" product, and sell the consumer OS cheaper by forcing users to adopt apps that give MS a piece of the revenue. I predict that the desktop will live forever, but only in the higher SKU:s of windows. Meanwhile, microsofts "Home"/OEM offerings of windows will steadily become cheaper and slowly move into an apps-only ecosystem.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (5, Insightful)

Spottywot (1910658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954435)

This sounds about right, it'll be interesting to see how quickly consumers take this up. I haven't met anyone yet who actually wants to use the 'Metro' interface, much less buy thier software throuh the Microsoft store. Of course I've read plenty of 'I use Win 8 and I don't see what the fuss is about' posts in various tech forums, but even from those people I've never heard anyone extolling the virtues of a 'killer' Metro app. Until such things exist, where is the compelling reason to make the switch? I fear the only answer is that we will be steadily 'forced' to use the new interface with subsequent versions of Windows.

I currently use Windows for productivity and gaming, this Metro crap I can see being the reason I move to Linux for my productivity stuff, and if Steam for Linux takes off with enough publishers, possibly my gaming as well.

I've never loved Windows, but I've never really hated it either (well maybe sometimes), it's always been 'good enough' to do what I want it to do, as soon as it starts to tell me how I should interact with my desktop, and where I should buy my software, well thats the point at which it ceases to be useful for me, and probably a great many others.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (3, Interesting)

Alkonaut (604183) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954563)

I use windows 8 and don't get what the fuss is about. I basically don't use the metro interface and don't intend to ever do so until I can do ALL my work in it. That is, I don't dislike the UI per se, but dislike having to switch back and forth. I don't really care if MS gets a share of what I pay for applications either, but here is the chicken and egg problem: I won't buy any metro apps until I use that interface. I won't use that interface until I can use it exclusively. I won't use it exclusively until all my applications are there.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (2)

Spottywot (1910658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954779)

Yes I get that win8 is OK and you can work around the metro screen, it's the direction that I don't like. Optional work around today, walled garden tommorrow, my tactic is to not buy into it and hope that enough people do the same thing.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (3, Interesting)

Wolfraider (1065360) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954583)

I have met a few people excited about the Metro screen. But these people barely know how to use a computer and to them, Metro is a lot easier to find what programs they want to run. I personally don't mind Windows 8 and Metro although the first thing I did was set the default for all Metro apps to the full version and pin my most used programs to the taskbar. Any time that I need another program, I simply hit the windows key, type in the first few characters of what I want and hit enter. Metro pops up and goes away quickly.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954309)

I really hope that's not true.

I had to use a computer today with XP and the "classic" windows theme. Sure, the operating system has come a very long way but the UI is definitely going backwards.

WIMP is a sound UI paradigm and "classic" theme makes it very clear and intuitive. A few modern gradients, higher DPI and a new set of high resolution icons would have made it a sheer delight.

With the touch-optimized, flat, giant controls, modal paradigm you can't really do anything other than the most basic things and even that's confusing.

Re:Let me guess...further deprecation of desktop a (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954503)

"only way to go"

You just made it clear you've never used Win8.

Windows Blue Waffle (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953519)

It might sound neat, but no one really wants it.

On code names (4, Interesting)

Myria (562655) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953523)

Why is it that sometimes code names are better than the name of the final product? "Windows Blue" is a better name than simply "Windows 9". Similarly, "Xenon" was a better name than "Xbox 360".

Nintendo's fond of that, too. "Nitro" versus "DS", "Dolphin" versus "GameCube", "Revolution" versus "Wii".

Re:On code names (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953563)

Names themselves while sounding better actually have some serious problems when it comes to versioning. When you have 6,6.1,7,8,9 it is patently obvious which is the newest version. When you have XP, Vista, 7,8 Blue it actually takes knowledge of the product names to know if you are up to date. So while names sound better and are easier for searching the web numbering is pretty important.

Re:On code names (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953849)

I would have called it Tomato, so we can start throwing it back through the office windows at Redmond.

And because I have a strange feeling that I need to eat a tomato right now.

Re:On code names (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953893)

Probably because of localization and trademark issues.

Re:On code names (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953905)

They seem better because years of exposure haven't ruined them by familiarity. "Xbox" seemed like a daringly direct name for a box that ran Direct X, for about six months.

Re:On code names (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954513)

No, Xbox was retarded when it came out, as was Wii. Metro vs. "7"? Etc. The code names are almost always better.

Re:On code names (1)

egr (932620) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954293)

While Longhorn was much cooler name than Vista, I think Blue is a pretty ugly one IMHO, the matter of taste I guess.

Re:On code names (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954439)

Because code names can be given by the product team, while the final name has to go through legal and marketing and whatever else.
You have to look at trademarks and what could work in a global setting. Just cause it sounds good in the US does not mean it will work in the rest of the world.

Re:On code names (1)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954653)

Windows Nova?

Re:On code names (2)

coinreturn (617535) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954643)

I've got to disagree with you on Windows Blue. Whoever gave it that name is either clueless (BSOD) or has a sense of humor. The boss should NOT have let it be codenamed Blue (SOD).

Re:On code names (1)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954651)

Why is it that sometimes code names are better than the name of the final product? "Windows Blue" is a better name than simply "Windows 9". Similarly, "Xenon" was a better name than "Xbox 360".

Nintendo's fond of that, too. "Nitro" versus "DS", "Dolphin" versus "GameCube", "Revolution" versus "Wii".

Beyond copyright it's about being able to distinguish your product in a uniquely identifiable manner.

What are the chances that when you speak about "Xenon" people will not think of a gas or chemical compound? an old school game?
When you say "Xbox" everyone is acutely aware of only one possible meaning. If anyone else uses "Xbox" you can sue them.

So really after "Windows" anything can follow because everyone knows what that's supposed to mean. There was enough time for people to stop associating physical glass windows and windows software. If MS had to choose an OS name today it would wage that it would not have been "Windows" but rather some similar non-existent word.

Re:On code names (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954777)

I think the main reason is you're talking about international products. The Wii, specifically, I remember Nintendo going with the name because it worked in any language. Asians would have a hard time with "Revolution," or they'd have to translate it and it would lack international consistency like 'Wii.' Not to mention that you can't sell a product called "Revolution" in China.

Likewise, a number is easier than branding the product Blue, Bleu, Azul, Blu, etc.

They also don't have to worry about trademarks and the like for code names.

Enough Blue (0)

rzitex (2206668) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953545)

I know that is probably over done, but...The last thing I need from Windows is more blue. I see it enough when trying to use windows.

will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cycle (4, Insightful)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953557)

If they don't then IMHO, this is a dead duck. They have a wonderful opportunity to stop the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cycle here

or the Patches on top of patches shell game.

If they don't grasp this then they are merely fiddling while the City of Redmond burns to the ground.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953621)

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Let's Mod This One Up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953671)

Like this individual I feel like I have to post just so you can notice me. C'Mon, c'mon, c'mon!

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (4, Informative)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954033)

Please enlighten me as to why you think I don't know what I'm talking about.
I just patched a clean Win 7 build and it took four patch/reboot cycles before I got everything uptodate.
Whereas my Linux Systems patch the lot in one go and only need to reboot when there is a kernel update. IIRC and I was running SLES I wouldn't even need to do that.

Or did I dream that I had to reboot my system so often in the patching process?

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954383)

Normal Windows Update is good for incrementally keeping a system up-to-date. If a system is far out of date, then you would be better off using WSUS Offline Update [wsusoffline.net] , or if you're installing from scratch, make a sliptreamed install disc with all the current updates.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954491)

"City of Redmond burns to the ground"
If you really think that is the reason they will burn to the ground you really don't understand the average user.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954591)

it took you FOUR reboots to update a new install of windows 7?

after install and first-startup to desktop, with 'recommended' updates off (critical only)....

first run of windows update updates itself. no reboot.
(not a terrible idea to 'hide' update KB971033 even 'legit' installs)
second run of windows update can get all non-SP updates, including those released after the SP, in one shot. reboot needed.
third run of windows update gets the SP. reboot needed.
forth run of windows update.... there is no forth run... perhaps a dotnet update is left, but that's no big deal.

two reboots needed to update a new windows 7 install, only one if you're working with install media with integrated SP.

next time know what the fuck you're doing.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954695)

Unix systems gladly replace system libraries that are in use, and just hope that not problems happen because two different versions of the same library are in use simultaneously. The further away from the core libraries you get, the lower the odds of a problem, but it's still a risk. The Unix approach is basically "Let's just go ahead and do it, it'll probably be ok."

Windows takes the safe approach of only updating libraries that are not in use. I'm sure you'd wind up with weird glitches if your apps were using multiple versions of GDI simultaneously. The Windows approach is "It may be ok to update this now, or it may not. Just to be safe, let's not update it until we can guarentee it's safe."

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953821)

If they don't then IMHO, this is a dead duck. They have a wonderful opportunity to stop the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cycle here

or the Patches on top of patches shell game.

If they don't grasp this then they are merely fiddling while the City of Redmond burns to the ground.

I sound like a troll here, but that's not what I intended:
You clearly have poor knowledge of how computers really work. They're NOT websites! You're demanding full virtualization AND maximum performance in the same time. That's not going to happen, not with windows or any other OS for that matter. Sure, as the hardware computing power increases, you may have DECENT performance and full virtualization, but that's NOT the Windows dogma. Windows will always aim to deliver MAXIMUM performance and decent virtualization. Which, if you really knew what you were talking about, is the thing you want with your daily /. posting .

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (3, Interesting)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954051)

Where in my post did I talk about wanting full Virtualization and Max performance? I didn't so please stop trying to read something that is clearly not there.

The question is

Do MS system require rebooting when applying patches?
    Yes
Do other Operating System apply patches without the need for reboots?
    Yes

ergo,
  If MS is going to a continuious update cycle then they really need to reduce the number of reboots required after applying patches.
If they don't they are going to piss off a lot of users with the increased reboot frequency.

not that hard really is it?

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954205)

At least OSX and Linux do require reboots when applying OS patches so ...

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954283)

That is the clumsiness that is Windows OS. The other day a Visual Studio update went seriously wrong. Now the dialog's were telling me to shut down VS to avoid a reboot. It still needed rebooting, and still fucked up.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954485)

While I am a Visual Studio fanboy, I gotta say that uninstalling VS is also a pain in the ass. It sprinkles around a good bunch of these little "Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Data-Tier App Framework" programs, which you will have a field day removing one-by-one, as the main uninstaller does not delete them.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954541)

While I am a Visual Studio fanboy, I gotta say that uninstalling VS is also a pain in the ass. It sprinkles around a good bunch of these little "Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Data-Tier App Framework" programs, which you will have a field day removing one-by-one, as the main uninstaller does not delete them.

Because those other little things are also used by programs other than VS. Your example, if removed, could break SQL Server 2012 for instance.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954199)

ummm did you even read the original post?

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953835)

Whenever a company starts aping their competitors they not only acknowledge that they are second rate but that they have already lost, unless they come up with something really new ...

Microsoft are now just copying entire concepts from Apple, Linux, Google etc. .. and do not seem to have anything new to offer ... ?

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953989)

When did they ever do anything but copy from others? Microsoft have never been innovators, except possibly in the field of shady business practices. And frankly, they probably copied those too!

They are quite good at remaining current though, reinventing their offerings as new concepts emerge in desktops and servers with a proven market for them. Unfortunately, since everything has to be tied in to preserve the cash cows of Windows and Office, they aren't very good at entering entirely new markets.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

jimicus (737525) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953991)

When exactly was the last time Microsoft came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954547)

When exactly was the last time Microsoft came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

When exactly was the last time Apple came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

When exactly was the last time Sony came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

When exactly was the last time Canonical came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

When exactly was the last time Nintendo came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

When exactly was the last time Sega came up with a new idea that wasn't aping its competitors?

That's the nature of business ;) The issue isn't the aping per se, but whether they've improved on the feature in question.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (2, Interesting)

oztiks (921504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954575)

Paragraph one wrong. Paragraph two right.

It's Microsoft, they adhere to a pattern which if you're a big company making lots of money simply have to be on guard for. If MS shows up and offers a strategic partnership, show them the door and smile, it means what you have is worth lots and MS wants to steal it. If you lift the hood on your products and invite them in then instantly your days are numbered and you will eventually lose.

- Look at FB and MS. That's nothing but win for MS. Half of FB is powered by Bing! and now look at what's happening with Skype. Plus they doubled their money when FB went IPO.
- Look at Novel and MS. MS win. Nothing but bullying and win for MS. Linux being licensed back to MS, Freakin Maddness!!
- Look at Norton and MS. MS win. Strategic partnership that turned into MS Security Essentials and killed Norton's consumer market.
- Look at Zune and MS. Tragic fail. Apple was smart to not let peering eyes in on that one.
- Look at Xbox and MS. MS win. Get the game makers on side and now MS is making their own award winning games like Halo.

MS wins more than it loses and it's up to "who" lets them win more than if the company is second rate. Simply put, they come a knocken send them packing or you'll pay for it! I don't like their way of doing business but it's how I see them.

A little bit of Nokia a little bit of MS's strategic partnering, a couple years later you have Surface ...

Same process, same Borg like attitude .. same old Microsoft.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (2)

GauteL (29207) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954245)

If they don't then IMHO, this is a dead duck. They have a wonderful opportunity to stop the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cycle here

Please... While this is a problem for some, I'm willing to bet the amount of revenue they've lost because of it is incredibly low.

Microsoft are in serious danger of scaring off their massive army of third party developers, exactly the people who have guaranteed them success over nearly 20 years. THIS is their major problem. Metro and the Microsoft App store is a massive "fuck you" to us. This is especially true if you're invested in OpenGL. The amount of work required to bring a professional OpenGL based engineering suite over to Metro is massive.

No kidding, not a real issue (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954443)

It is only a big deal for the people who have an ego in uptime. The issue in the real world is availability, not some uptime number and you get that through redundancy. I don't care if a Windows DC reboots. Why? Because I have like 5 more. You want to have multiple systems that are redundant so that when (not if, but when) you have a hardware failure service isn't interrupted.

Reboots are just not a big deal in the server world. If they are, then you've designed your service wrong and you need to re-think it. Unless you are buying mainframe hardware (and even then sometimes) you are going to have a system failure some day, you want other systems that smoothly handle the load while it is down. Reboots are just small, non-destructive tests of that.

As for desktops this has never been a real issue, but is even less with SSDs. It is real hard to care about a reboot for patches at all when it happens at 3am while you sleep (or alternatively on manual shutdown and boot up) but it is harder still to care when you system reboots in less than 10 seconds, as systems with SSDs are wont to do.

Re:No kidding, not a real issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954573)

I do however care if my laptop reboots. Why? Because I don't have 5, and even if I did, my running programs and my DVI cable will not fail over to another automatically. And after rebooting, all my programs will take lots of time to start fully up and become responsive. And Windows Update either pops up in the morning, after just waiting a long time for just that, or EVEN WORSE, decides to spend 10 minutes installing updates, when I'm waiting for an already too slow shutdown.

Re:will they kill the patch/reboot/patch/reboot cy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954551)

There's plenty wrong with Windows, but that's pretty far down the list of stuff to fix. NT has always been like that - just prior to a service pack on a fresh install it will take a few reboots to get caught up. Thing is, on a fresh install you are unlikely to have a bunch of applications and data open so it's not such a big deal.

Once it's installed, it's a reboot once a month and most people turn their computers off every day anyway.

Hell, I reboot my Linux boxes after a big patch because it's quicker than parsing the list of packages updated and restarting all the services by hand.

Windows Blue ScrDETh (1)

Sussurros (2457406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953573)

I believe they got the job title wrong - surely it's Windows Blue ScrDETh (thanatest engineer).

Re:Windows Blue ScrDETh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953625)

Must have at least 10 years of bad experience.

spotted a guru speak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953619)

I saw word agile in the summary a second in one day. As always if not used by a guru it makes me confused (even more than I normally am) - the word in itself is OK. The moronic context in which it means something fluffy, from which a deviation by a split of a pussy's hair should be punished by death in boiling oil, is not as OK. It is an ongoing process of language destruction. I think ancient Romans were onto something when they used cross to eradicate the guru problem. Pity it went out of use.

So now the whole OS is Blue Screen?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953631)

Well, I guess it does streamline the whole Windows experience to its bare essentials...

Like NK's nuclear program (4, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953713)

As with North Korea's nuclear program, details are scarce,

Has anyone detected Xenon-133 that can be traced to Seattle yet, or did MS manage to contain it pretty well underground?

Re:Like NK's nuclear program (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954081)

Rumors say that after the Windows 8 debacle, Ballmer don't throw chairs anymore, he took the game to the next level. Windows Blue will be (mushroom) cloud based.

Re:Like NK's nuclear program (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954177)

Rumors has it that Xenon-133 will be the new console Microsoft are releasing this coming event.
Shedding the ways of old to a new name and hopefully new community.

Dare I say it will be near-infectious. Everyone will be up in fever for that.
They might even turn blue.

Chinese "start screen" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953807)

As in "start hacking anyone clicking on this link".

CHINESE CHARACTERS CONFUSE AND SCARE ME!

Re:Chinese "start screen" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954507)

Some Chinese are nice people.

Deep Blue? (1)

jandersen (462034) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953819)

That name sounds a bit like IBM's 'Deep Blue', the chess computer. But I think it is too reminiscent of the BSOD - can I suggest they change the name to something like 'Deep Brown'? It somehow feel more right, all things considered.

Just what we need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42953841)

Why do I feel this is like Microsoft trying to pull a Chrome and Firefox but with their OS instead?

blue? (1)

ryen (684684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953923)

sounds old school to me

Airplanes and Power (4, Funny)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953931)

Steve Ballmer is flying the plane now. Tower is on the horn telling him he needs to gain altitude, but Ballmer thinks they said Attitude; whilst headed for the ground in a sweaty dance.

All the boys and girls from Neowin are on on that plane, living it up and having a damn good time. Unaware Ballmer is piloting the plane "This is your Captain speaking, we need more Attitude!" as cheers erupt. Bill Gates was unavailable for comments, as he thinks 'Blue' airlines is headed in the wrong direction.

Windows 8 "refresh" (4, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953949)

According to the article, Blue is a Windows 8 refresh. I assume that to mean that it's going to add all the stuff that Windows 8 was lacking when it came out, particularly in relation to its mouse / keyboard and "classic" behaviour. But even metro is a bit shit on the desktop, lacking stuff like folders to group icons, zoom in / out, certain multi-select actions and so on.

Re:Windows 8 "refresh" (1)

Tagged_84 (1144281) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954495)

Why can't we get a news app that generates tiles for new articles in selected categories? Imagine waking up and the home screen stares at you with a couple new tiles on articles you'd likely want to read. Do the same with email filters to highlight important emails.

Android and iOS already cover the static screens well, why not apply some further design iterations and produce a more living/personal screen that reduces a few of your daily activities to a single tap away!

Re:Windows 8 "refresh" (2)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954529)

So what, it's more akin to your girlfriend going to the bathroom to douche before sex than it's like a new girlfriend coming over for a romantic dinner?

Re:Windows 8 "refresh" (1)

DrXym (126579) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954683)

I don't hate Windows 8 with the passion some people do. I can see it's broken and have spent a lot of time pointing out the flaws. But neither do I think it is irretrievably bad either. I think Microsoft in their zeal to get to tablet land cut corners on the desktop experience knowing they could fix them later and I hope that the Blue refresh or whatever it ends up being called will do just that.

modern mobilya (0)

mobilya (2846217) | about a year and a half ago | (#42953985)

ne zaman bir modern mobilyaya ihtiyaç duyarasanz bir koleksiyona bakn

Source Named (2)

some old guy (674482) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954299)

Code Blue?

Don't hate Microsoft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954565)

Microsoft (and Apple, Oracle, etc) takes nothing away from FLOSS software, it merely competes with it. Sometimes it wins, sometimes it loses. It most often wins in market segments where FLOSS was/is seriously lacking, like n00b-friendly GUI apps, software for sweet ol' secretary ladies who've barely learned to point and click, and of course games. (True, sometimes it coasts on the momentum of past accomplishments, but this momentum cannot last more than a few years.)

Microsoft's software makes millions of people more productive (or more entertained / happier) than they would have been without it, providing value for value. This injects money and jobs into the IT sector, some of which in turn goes to FLOSS, or the salaries of people who also contribute to FLOSS, etc. FLOSS benefits tremendously from proprietary software that got ahead of it, learning both from its innovations and its mistakes. In time FLOSS software catches up in a particular market segment, and Microsoft moves on to something else.

If what you hate is "intellectual property", then Microsoft should be on the very bottom of your "enemies list", since a large and growing part of their products are not hinged on mere IP and EULA ("implicit contracts"), but operate through far more legitimate means: explicit business / education / certification / support contracts, hardware bundling, SaaS and other services, etc. Compare this to Copyleft, which is entirely dependent on IP to be enforceable. The only software that is completely free from IP is Copyfree [copyfree.org] ("permissive" / "don't sue, don't plagiarize" licensed software) or "Public Domain".

--libman

North Korea (3, Insightful)

ErnoWindt (301103) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954595)

Totally hilarious reference to North Korea - but c'mon - Microsoft is run like an open source software project compared with Apple. What's interesting is that consumers seem to greet Apple's secrecy and paranoia with an almost Willy Wonka like fascination.

Test Engineer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42954623)

Microsoft "lets" their users test the product and send back error reports.

Ring Cycle (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about a year and a half ago | (#42954667)

After Windows Screen, when Windows Death is released, the fat lady will sing.
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