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CT State Senator Wants To Ban Kids From Using Arcade Guns

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the and-for-the-same-reason dept.

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New submitter Nyder writes "In a move that is sure to bring tears to the eyes of kids everywhere, Connecticut State Senator Toni Harp proposed a bill in January that would ban anyone younger than 18 from playing 'violent point-and-shoot' video games in arcades or other public establishments. 'The bill also called for research into the effects of violent video games on young minds, through a committee called the Violent Video Game Task Force within the Department of Children and Families. The task force would advise the Governor and General assembly on state programs that "may reduce the effects of violent video games on youth behavior," suggesting before the research was done that violent video games have an effect on children's actions.' Hopefully this won't pass; I guess the video game lobby hasn't paid this Senator enough 'funds' for her campaign."

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335 comments

cowboys and indians? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42965989)

But they can still play cowboys and indians, running around with toy guns pointed at each other, pulling the trigger and saying "bang, you're dead!", right?

Re:cowboys and indians? (4, Insightful)

captainpanic (1173915) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966053)

Cowboys? No. Emancipation demands you make it gender neutral: Cowperson.
Indians? No. Native Americans.

Cowpersons and Native Americans. And you cannot pretend to shoot with a wooden stick anymore. Welcome to the land of the free :-)

Re:cowboys and indians? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966079)

and no finger-guns either [thedenverchannel.com]

Re:cowboys and indians? (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966083)

And you cannot pretend to shoot with a wooden stick anymore. Welcome to the land of the free :-)

Children will also be banned from playing games involving driving a motor vehicle. They'll have to get their driving license first!

Re:cowboys and indians? (1)

Gription (1006467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966375)

Uh no...
People will be banned from driving cars because the are the most deadly weapon in general circulation in this country.
Car massacre aftermath [latimes.com]

On a lighter note...
Google's stock shot up based on the demand for their driverless car system.

Re:cowboys and indians? (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966935)

There are so much better ways to make a term PC than to replace "man" or "woman" with "person". How about "cattle driver"?

Re:cowboys and indians? (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966061)

Of course they can. That isn't a video game so it's perfectly acceptable.
  Come on, don't you know it's *only* video games that could possibly affect children's minds?

Re:cowboys and indians? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966175)

I think you're missing the really big picture here. I'll give you that much credit because the alternative is so much worse.

Re:cowboys and indians? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966221)

until they get shot by police for waving guns around...

Re:cowboys and indians? (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966675)

Dag nabbit! We want easy answers to complicated problems. Better if it can fit in a line of twitter.

Re:cowboys and indians? (1)

mcvos (645701) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966685)

I get the impression playing cowboys and indians in the US is only okay if you use real guns.

Re:cowboys and indians? (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966931)

It's not much fun anymore because we already exterminated all the indians. It's just cowboys vs cowboys now...

Spring is in the Air (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966005)

The birds are chirping, and clueless politicians race to implement laws protecting children from video games and other "immoral" behavior.

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966095)

Don't worry: I'm sure clueless politicians will happily race to create all sorts of stupid laws in any season.

George Carlin had an important point on this particular issue: These politicians want to take away all the toy guns from kids, but let them keep the real ones! My personal advice to any parent who owns guns is to not only teach kids basic gun safety (assume it's always loaded, don't point at anything you don't plan to shoot, etc), but to also keep your guns locked up so that kids can't take your guns and experiment in really stupid and dangerous ways.

Re:Spring is in the Air (-1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966897)

Better yet, get rid of your guns when you have children. Anyone who thinks locking them up is going to prevent kids from getting hold of a gun 24/7 for 18 years is deluding themselves.

e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=erGOJxQIf5c [youtube.com]

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967019)

I remember a commercial years ago with a father who kept his gun in a combination lockbox. Cut to the two kids trying to open it, using a computer to keep track of what combinations they've already tried.

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966105)

not clueless, bought

connecticut is the home to most of the gun manufacturers. the industry lobbying group is in sandy hook, close to the school that was shot up. the gun lobby is pushing the violent video game thing to keep guns legal

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966715)

Really liberal?

Winchester - IL
Remington - NC
Smith & Wesson - MA
Sturm, Ruger & Co - CT
Glock USA - GA
Beretta USA - MD
Benelli USA - MD
NRA is rather national, but the "headquarters" would be considered in VA.

Most, huh?

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967027)

You forgot a little-known tiny company called Colt, located in Hartford, CT.

Re:Spring is in the Air (0)

1u3hr (530656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966167)

American politicians are too afraid of the NRA nutters to ban real guns. So they want to ban toys.

Re:Spring is in the Air (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966523)

American politicians are too afraid of the NRA nutters to ban real guns. So they want to ban toys.

The NRA has been doing their part to focus attention on the attention in that direction. As saith Wayne LaPierre himself:

"And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?"

(Incidentally, why is it that people who hate video games apparently only revise their lists of horrifying games every 5-10 years? If you are going for 'timeless classics' where the fuck are 'Doom' and 'Postal'. If you are going for relevant, how about a few of the big console shooters that actually have major audiences? C'mon, guys...)

Re:Spring is in the Air (2)

drakaan (688386) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966609)

You sound like you must be from somewhere outside the USA.

American politicians (most of them, at least) don't care one way or the other about the NRA. What they care about is how they look to the (voting) public. If some jackass mental patient shoots and kills a bunch of kids and the media says it has something to do with assault weapons and video games, then the politicians read about it and say "We must DO something!".

Banning toys is easy, since there's nothing in the constitution protecting the right of US citizens to own them. No politician wants to have to do something so official and public as voting to remove a constitutional right...that would be political suicide. They're afraid, yes, but not of the NRA.

Re:Spring is in the Air (3, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966701)

That and the people who would actually be impacted by such a law can not vote. The number of voters who are willing to support votes that restrict people who are not like them is generally greater then the number of voters willing to support votes that benefit people who are not like them. Defending others takes more empathy then defending your own, so most people do not bother.

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

flayzernax (1060680) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966789)

Toys are protected by the "Pursuit of happiness". The constitution is just a piece of paper declaring guidelines on how to run and limit the government. We still have the right to do as we damn well please.

Re:Spring is in the Air (1)

1u3hr (530656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966969)

American politicians (most of them, at least) don't care one way or the other about the NRA. What they care about is how they look to the (voting) public.

The NRA presents itself as speaking for the voters. Maybe they do. But the NRA certainly spends a few million a year to lobby in Washington. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082 [opensecrets.org]

No politician wants to have to do something so official and public as voting to remove a constitutional right...that would be political suicide. They're afraid, yes, but not of the NRA.

That you state the issue in those terms shows how effective the NRA has been.

Really? "Sheep by law"??? (2)

Gription (1006467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966817)

Yes the solution is to make sure that all people are helpless (by law). That will keep them safe! ... So when a person goes wacko (crazy enough to ignore those laws) they will be ... Uhhh ...
Wait, that isn't turning out the way it was intended.

Well the police will keep us safe! Yes because when all of those violent crimes happen the police are there to save us! ... Uhhhh ...
Wait, that was on those episodes of 24 and Hawaii Five-0. On the news the police show up much later and they sometimes figure out who did what to whom (much later...).


Wake up. We live in the safest time in history. Idiot politicians are trying to legislate safety. I have a secret for you: Life has a 100% mortality rate. The "Safety" they are trying to legislate is a feeling.
What business do politicians have trying to legislate safety? They aren't are our nanny's and a government is not a responsible organization. If you had children who made the same choices regarding spending money and honesty you would ground them for life.

Lets talk about outlawing something that is a mass contributor to unhealthful living conditions and is responsible for a number of deaths each year (even when done in a safe fashion). It wastes natural resources at an astounding rate. Lets outlaw it!
A smaller percentage of the country pursues it has a past time the those that pursue shooting as a past time. Doctors used to recommend that people with sever asthma or other lung ailments move to Tucson, AZ (and similar places) because of low pollen counts. So they moved there and then people built golf courses and Tucson no longer had low pollen counts.

Trying to legislate safety by outlawing something that is generally safe because it could conceivably done to cause harm is a direct destruction of liberty, unpatriotic, stupidly insane, and tyrannical. Read up on what Franklin had to say about safety.

Re:Really? "Sheep by law"??? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967011)

Yes the solution is to make sure that all people are helpless (by law). That will keep them safe! ... So when a person goes wacko (crazy enough to ignore those laws) they will be ... Uhhh ...
Wait, that isn't turning out the way it was intended.

In the UK, handguns are banned for civilians. And most police don't carry firearms either. So in your mind, everyone is helpless. Result? A homicide rate a quarter of the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate [wikipedia.org]

Hey, why not? (5, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966041)

They want to ban firearms for purely cosmetic features that make no difference between it and other models, why not? Who said laws have to make sense, they clearly don't with nutter Diane Feinsteins gun bill.

Re:Hey, why not? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966113)

Look, if you rule out actually taking guns away from people as a response to a major shooting, the legislators still need to be seen Doing Something, or the voters will throw them out. So you end up blaming violent video games, rap music, communist infliltration, and the like.

This is Something, after all, and therefore it must be Done.

Re:Hey, why not? (2)

flayzernax (1060680) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966203)

That something could be programs that get more well defended, empowered, employed (at a reasonable working wage and hours, not this bullshit bank inflationary lotto ticket job economy), happy. Healthy people. People not being victimized by their elected officials. People not afraid to protect themselves and govern themselves. People with energy and liberty. Science, space programs, spiritual development. Education. Citizens participating with police in progressive non-violent ways to stop these problems before they arise through... more education...

I mean, that politician could be voted for. I would vote for them. I don't see why banning things and creating new laws is the only option.

This is something, after all, and therefore it must be done. Is a very flawed, sick, illogical, and insane argument.

Re:Hey, why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966291)

That shit costs money, though. Pointing out a scapegoat like "arcade shooting games" (seriously, aside from Dave and Buster's, haven't arcades been dead for about a decade now?) is way cheaper!

Be careful not to point out that the trend of spree shootings started in the eighties, coinciding with good ol' Reaganomics. Nope, not the "social chaos" of the sixties, and not when John Browning invented the semi-automatic firearm at the tail end of the 19th century, either.

Re:Hey, why not? (3, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966557)

Ah, but the AR-15 was developed by a guy named 'Stoner'. Coincidence, or evidence of the secret violence behind the hippy agenda?

pedophiles (3, Insightful)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966045)

Communists, "gun violence", video games, SARS, terrorists, jesus fucking christ. I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to fall into line for the scare of the day anymore.

Re:pedophiles (1)

DaMattster (977781) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966179)

Communists, "gun violence", video games, SARS, terrorists, jesus fucking christ. I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to fall into line for the scare of the day anymore.

I think you deserve a mod-up. Well said.

Re:pedophiles (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967005)

What are you talking about? Fear is big business worth trillions. It's a form of conditioning that actually becomes more effective as time goes on. Psych 101

Re:pedophiles (1)

emho24 (2531820) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966593)

You left out "global warming"

Re:pedophiles (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966639)

I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to fall into line for the scare of the day anymore.

Really?

Have you met any of them?

stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966055)

wait, people still play in arcades?

Is the elephant in the china shop... (4, Insightful)

craznar (710808) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966107)

...invisible or something?

How on earth can a country be so contradictory?

Re:Is the elephant in the china shop... (2)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966257)

The guy is placating parents. The media loves to blame these mass shootings on video games... these blinking screens that are turning your children into mindless psychopaths.

So he's hoping for the "Thank god SOMEBODY is finally thinking of the children" vote.

It's possible this guy is also against guns in general, but even if not... that's obviously not the issue in a lot of parents eyes. It's "protect my baby... from myself... since I can't stop myself from buying him violent games"

Re:Is the elephant in the china shop... (1)

ShaunC (203807) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966759)

This guy, Toni Harp, is also a woman...

Re:Is the elephant in the china shop... (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966841)

Ah, just assumed "Tony" and a mis-spelling.

17 with parental consent? (2)

Sqr(twg) (2126054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966111)

Maybe 17-year olds could be allowed to play with parental consent. After all, they are allowed to join the army and use real guns to kill real people.

Re:17 with parental consent? (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966581)

Comrade, the people that the army kills are not real people.

Re:17 with parental consent? (0)

jythie (914043) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966751)

Unfortunately, that is also why the old 'cowboys and indians' thing is still 'ok' in many people's minds. A significant number of people follow a rather absolute type of morality which is to a significant degree defined by who you preform an action on, not the action. So as long as your victim falls into certain 'otherness' categories it is not unethical, since you are part of the 'good guys' and as long as you are not attacking other 'good guys' then you are fighting evil.

Sane politicians (1)

Porchroof (726270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966115)

I wish to hell people would elect sane and responsible government representatives. But getting people to do that would be like getting a goat to drive a car.

Re:Sane politicians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966915)

I wish to hell people would elect sane and responsible government representatives. But getting people to do that would be like getting a goat to drive a car.

Google's working on that. (The goat/car thing, not sanity in government).

It's as if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966117)

The American people are being victimized and harassed by a bully out to get a rise. Do they really want to back everyone into the corner. They may get a black eye. I am frankly amazed at the self restraint an enormous percentage of the population has shown. Or we are just to trapped to do anything about this kind of bullshit.

Re:It's as if... (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966261)

It isn't self-restraint; they're stressed-out, confused, distracted, overfed, under-nourished, medicated to the gills... and on top of that, they're just the same Americans that they were 40 to 60 years ago. We've become stupid, rude, lazy, self-destructive, incredibly gullible and profoundly easy to manipulate. More and more like the peasants that the uber-elite see us as...

Re:It's as if... (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966281)

they're just the same Americans that they were 40 to 60 years ago.

Oops, that should have read "they're just not the same Americans..."

Re:It's as if... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966945)

they're just the same Americans that they were 40 to 60 years ago.

Oops, that should have read "they're just not the same Americans..."

OK, now you can add sloppy to your list. :)

obligatory Carlin quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966537)

"But where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky; they don't pass through a membrane from a separate reality. They come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, and American businesses. And they're elected by American voters. This is what our system produces, folks. This is the best we can do. Let's face it, we have very little to work with. Garbage in, garbage out."

Hands in the air, drop that Prince of Persia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966153)

So, the idea is that all the recent gun shooting sprees have been the result of violent games.

Virtual guns are bad, it seems, because they kill virtual people. But REAL guns are not bad, because, erm, they kill REAL people? I think this is a deflection, an attempt to shift the gun agenda into an anti-video game agenda. Harp is just a foolish patsy for it.

People get angry, for lots of reasons, and when they're angry they do stupid things. Teenagers particularly with all their hormones raging. When all they've got to throw is a stone, it does little damage, but when they've got a submachine gun, TAKING OUT THEIR ANGER, becomes a mass shooting incident with lots of dead.

Guns are killing machines, they're there to kill. A man with a stick is a pretty useless killing machine, a man with a gun is a danger.

I think this is really about gun control, and I think gun control is the best solution.

Repress our youth more (1)

Vaxwerth (2847473) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966163)

That will keep them from acting out.

Come'on (1)

DaMattster (977781) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966165)

Why don't we just ban everything!? Let's just ban everything till the we get to the point of having no joy in our lives whatsoever .... oh wait, we're already there.

Re:Come'on (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966985)

Banning is insufficient. People may actually try to live their lives in a non-optimal manner. We can't stop until everyone behaves in the manner which has been deemed to provide the maximum productive output with minimal societal cost.

Heh (4, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966177)

Video game guns now more illegal than real ones.

Re:Heh (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966753)

Video game guns now more illegal than real ones.

Not more illegal than, as illegal as. Kids can't go shoot real guns without parental permission. Still ridiculous. I personally own one of the black Sega Saturn light guns imported from Japan. Do I have to worry that they're going to go knocking door to door for my illegal light gun? :)

Hmm, here's a thought: (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966181)

Considering that pesticides kill far more people in the western world than guns do; I think we should definitely ban FarmVille... :p

Guns don't kill people ... (3, Funny)

wylderide (933251) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966185)

... Gun shaped video game controllers kill people.

Only in America (0)

Comboman (895500) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966193)

Pretend guns are dangerous and must be banned. Real guns are safe and must be constitutionally protected. The mind boggles.

Re:Only in America (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966273)

No one said real guns are "safe" but I'm guessing you're trying to stir up a totally different shit storm so I'm not going to pander to your low class attempt at misdirection.

Re:Only in America (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966625)

It's particularly curious when you consider that the US constitution also includes robust speech protections, so it isn't as though this is a 'Well, one is constitutionally protected and the other isn't, our hands are tied here' thing The speech protections don't even include that cryptic stuff about well regulated militias.

A study on violent video games? That's new! (1)

Jeslijar (1412729) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966217)

Every day the Nordic countries look more and more appealing.

Playing Detective (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966237)

It's wonderful that in both the linked article and Toni Harp's own official web page, you can't find a political party affiliation anywhere. Seasoned players of the "Guess The Party" game know that means she's surely a Democrat. Google search? Yep, confirmed.

Remember Seduction of the Innocents (1)

franknagy (56133) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966241)

Here we go again...

It seems appropriate that information just out has cast more than doubt on _Seduction of the Innocents_, the book and its
author behind the censorship and restrictions on comic books in the 50s. Once again all the research keeps showing little
if any connection between games/movies/TV and the propensity to violence but the "true believers" know otherwise. It'll
again be "damn the evidence, full speed ahead -> censorship, criminal penalities, etc".

oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966247)

The kids won't be able to play 2010's Terminator Salvation...

Do kids even play arcade games that don't spit out tickets?

So (0)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966249)

Its only acceptable to take a child out to the gun range and have them fire a few thousand rounds from their very own AK into a racist picture of a "bad guy"

No link? Then research it again. (2)

McGregorMortis (536146) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966289)

And you'll keep on researching it, until you give us the answer we want.

What do you offer in trade, Senator? (4, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966303)

I'll be happy to let you ban violent video games if you and your peers are willing to lighten up about, oh... let's say bare breasts appearing on television. Frankly, I'm beyond tired of the dichotomy, wherein a person's insides, blown all over the place by gunfire/explosions, is fit for all ages, but the naked human form (the outside of it, at least) is not.

Give it a rest Senator (5, Insightful)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966319)

I can't think of too many gun related massacres which were the direct result of "violent video games". In fact, most were the result of mentally unstable people coming into possession of a some type of device to cause harm -- not just guns. I think a lot of the tragedies could have been prevented had people close to the murderer(s) taken responsible action, early on, when harmful behavior was exhibited:

Most people can "Doom away" 24x7 and have no problem separating fantasy from reality. A small portion cannot. That same small portion who cannot will result to whatever means is at their disposal when they become unstable. Banning guns, video games, magazine capacities, does not address the core issue and actually ignores it.

Role playing is important for healthy mental growth. Video games aid in that role playing for most healthy individuals. Prohibition isn't going to fix anything. Never does.

Big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966329)

One state rep filed a lousy bill that won't go anywhere, but might (not coincidentally) land some bookings on news shows. Then everyone packs this forum to talk about 1A rights (as in 2A for the gun enthusiasts).

Hey people, relax. Nothing happened, OK?

Yet more evidence.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966373)

That the nanny-state life controllers who happen to have a "D-" in front of their name are just as numerous and active as those the the "R-".

They positively revel in how they are able to push people around and make them behave in their private affairs. That is the real danger here, not toy guns.

Ban Everything (1)

Sentrion (964745) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966399)

I'd say these politicians are jumping the gun, but they've probably introduced a bill to ban doing that as well.

Light gun arcade games (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966447)

What is this 1995? Do these types of arcade games even exist anymore? Do arcades even exist anymore? Also, the perpetrator of the Aurora shooting was older than 18. Not sure how this is going to solve anything.

Re:Light gun arcade games (1)

Sentrion (964745) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966823)

Most of the ones I see these days are for hunting deer. So teenagers can hunt real deer with real rifles, but doing the same thing simulated on a video screen is going to turn them into mass murderers?

More importantly (5, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966469)

More importantly, lets have a study regarding the effects of the united states having troops in nearly every country on earth, being involved in at least 3 wars simultaneously, and the US military glamorizing their profession through television and news adds. If you want to stop gun violence, stop putting rifles into the hands of teenagers and sending them into 3rd world countries to "keep the peace" I don't think playing Halo or hunting squirls with their dads are having anywhere near the effect of what the US governments planting into their heads about guns and "justified violence"

Politics (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966501)

The task force would advise the Governor and General assembly on state programs that "may reduce the effects of political campaign advertising on youth behavior,"

I would say it is just as harmful as violent video games. Look at the assholes who are always winning the elections.

Bad Strategy (1)

Sentrion (964745) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966515)

The NRA's new policy of blaming video games is only going to backfire on firearm manufacturers. Part of the alure of top selling firearms like the AR-15 is how cool you think you are as soon as you have one. Take away movies like Rambo and Scareface or video games like Call of Duty (which pays gun manufacturers royalties to depict the various makes and models), and the demand for AR-15s and AK-47s is sure to decline over time.

Hunting as a past time has been on the decline for several decades now, and without movies and video games only sporting enthusiasts from law enforcement and military backgrounds will have much serious interest in these sorts of weapons. The arms industry is going to have to go back into the business of stoking violence between nation states in order to keep their revenues and their stock values growing at a competitive pace.

Re:Bad Strategy (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966791)

So what I hear you saying is that banning violent video games will reduce gun violence. Interesting theory you have there.

Re:Bad Strategy (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966829)

The NRA's new policy of blaming video games...

Um... what does the NRA have to do with a bill sponsored by a Democratic Congressperson?

Take away movies like Rambo and Scareface

LOLZ - "Scareface." Best typo of the day.

Hunting as a past time has been on the decline for several decades now

That's a real shame, considering how important hunting is to conservation efforts.

without movies and video games only sporting enthusiasts from law enforcement and military backgrounds will have much serious interest in these sorts of weapons.

I think you've hit upon the rationale of the Democrat who sponsored the bill. It's stupid and not based in reality, but hey, this is 'Murican politics we're talking about, so that's actually par for the course.

You know what would be funny ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966647)

A 400% increase in youth violence after the law pass and is enforced.

Sweep it under a carpet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966657)

...

So the logic is that people who are more prone to violence play these games, which might increase the tendency towards violence.

And the solution is to prevent them from playing public violent games? What? How about just use the public games to find the violent people and aid them.

Why study it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966659)

You've already made up your minds, studying it is a waste of money. You've already come to a conclusion, if you commission a study and it agrees with you, you'll use it as evidence supporting your position, and if it disagrees, if it shows you're likely wrong, you'll commission another study, and repeat this process until the study parameters are fine tuned in such a way as to produce the results you want.

So why waste money on studying it?

Uh, the war in the middle east? (1)

Puzzles (874941) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966673)

People wonder why the shooter in Connecticut did what was done. Just the same, people wonder why the hell the US went to war in the middle east.

All these kids these politicians and lobbyists that "worry" about kids playing violent video games should realize that these same kids have grown up in the post 9/11 Bush terms fraught with publicized and accepted war in the middle east. Certainly, they are not witnessing REAL violence on the television; it's those pretend video games that teaching them that killing real (and innocent) people is acceptable. Hypocrites!

Re:Uh, the war in the middle east? (1)

ledow (319597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966933)

Didn't you know?

It's perfectly acceptable to beat, torture and humiliate prisoners after kidnapping them from their own countries, on the basis of accusations without proper trial, nor caring about getting them one, keeping them falsely imprisoned for 10+ years, while the rest of the world condemns your actions.

Just so long as you don't do it in a computer game.

What's next? (1)

FunPika (1551249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966709)

I'm expecting that by the end of the year a random person from the federal House to introduce a bill to make all FPS games be considered to be only appropriate for 18+ whether the ESRB likes it or not (and if necessary replace the ESRB with a federal agency).

How violent is violent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966771)

I can't read the article thanks to a work filter but does this bill differentiate between violent point and shoot games versus non-violent point and shoot games? I mean, are games where you are shooting at digital representations of people going to have this ban whereas games where you shoot at digital representations of animals or clay discs going to be exempt?

Are the Big Game Hunter and Police Trainer arcade games where you shoot at animals and paper targets going to have the same restrictions as Area 51 and Time Crisis? What about the Terminator Salvation arcade game? Definitely violent, but you never shoot at people. In fact, I'm pretty sure the game penalizes you for shooting at people.

Also, this bill is completely ridiculous. Though I'm glad it's calling for studies on how video games affect children because the majority of those I've read about conclude that video games have little to no affect.

One last though, while you're at it go ahead and ban minors from air hockey and basketball arcade games. Whatever fucked up logic necessitates banning light guns must also ban sports related games so kids don't take up steriods. And don't forget to ban Guitar Hero arcade knock offs. We don't want our kids to take up heroine.

Ban the real dangers (1)

linebackn (131821) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966781)

Now, if only they would ban stuff that has real danger to the mental health of America.... such as Fox News.

Re:Ban the real dangers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967017)

derpa derpa derpa FOXNEWSAMIRITE derpa derpa

"Ban Kids From Using Arcade Guns" (2)

emho24 (2531820) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966783)

Can we instead ban politicians from speaking?

Oh geez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966831)

Hey guys. Connecticut resident here. Just popping in to say sorry!

Sorry!

arcades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966861)

What year does this senator think it is?

I honestly want that question asked and answered.

Wait (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966863)

You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy.

umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966891)

so they can enlist at 18 and play with real guns?

This will go nowhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966917)

The senator gets to appeal to the liberal extremists among his constituents, while at the same time proving that not every person who's full of bad ideas self-identifies as conservative. Everybody wins!

God Save Us If We Ever Have A Land War (2)

littlewink (996298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966971)

Few people know how to shoot a rifle today. Imagine a population that knows nothing about firearms and becomes engaged in a land war. Bringing troops to the ready will be extremely difficult.

Estimates are that during the Vietnam War 30K-60K bullets were fired for every enemy casualty. In Iran and Afghanistan they speak of a quarter of a million rounds per enemy casualty. [jonathanturley.org] To some degree these poor numbers can be laid to "cover fire" but it also cannot be denied that the average army grunt is nowhere as skilled a shot as his grandfather.

Contrast the Civil War (estimates 500 shots/kill) where the largely rural South had an advantage over the urban North because their soldiers had been hunting and shooting all their lives.

Backwards: Encourage games as substitute &trai (1)

DutchUncle (826473) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966981)

I would go the opposite direction: *encourage* target games, and even more realistic simulators, as part of trying to limit availability of real weapons. Insist that anyone who wants a gun license should be able to score high on a realistic simulator, like a driving test. Treat it like karting compared to real car racing.

That said, I have found that games like "Descent" (shooting at robots and mining machines) give me just as much excitement as games shooting at people, with fewer qualms. (Yes, it's an old example.)

PS - book partly based on this concept - "Quozl" by Alan Dean Foster. Aliens have ultra-violent entertainment and games *precisely* to avoid their inclinations to be violent in reality.

A third of U.S. Highway deaths caused by speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966993)

Why not mandate governors which make it impossible to exceed the max. highway speed limit in an area?

Several thousand people are killed each year riding motorcycles, why not ban them?

One woman ran over her child while backing up her SUV --- removing the reverse gear is a bit much, so let's mandate rear-view cameras (in addition to obnoxious beeps and extra mirrors which reduce gas mileage).

Some people are too careless w/ their near silent electric cars / hybrids when not running the engine, so let's mandate speakers blaring out noise since noise pollution isn't a real-world concern.

The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you. Let's have a little personal responsibility instead, okay?

Artificial Scarcity (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967055)

Wait, this could be good. What would arcade game manufacturers have to do to work around this? The only thing I can think of would be some sort Kinect-esque system where the child just needs to hold their hand up to the game in a gun like fashion and go "bang, bang" like they do anyway. Or perhaps have one hand as the gun and one hand on a fire button. It could work. This could be a great catalyst for some innovation.
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