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Debian Project Releases 7.0 "Wheezy" Installer Candidate

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the so-many-people-hours dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The first release candidate of Debian Installer 7.0 Wheezy was released this week. Debian 7.0 is set to introduce a number of new features including optional systemd support, a real-time Linux kernel option, UEFI installation support, and the Debian Installer now supports WPA/WPA2 wireless networks. More Debian 7.0 features are listed on the Debian Wiki and the 7.0 RC1 installer can be downloaded at Debian.org." Update: 02/21 16:12 GMT by S : Changed headline and summary to reflect that it was the Installer release candidate, not the distribution.

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Ugh!!! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966521)

This is the Debian Installer, not Debian.

As a DD, I was shocked slashdot knew before me.

Dice Holdings new Slashdot strategy: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966845)

Post stuff that is wrong in order to generate more page hits from people trying to correct the Slashdot "editors".

Oh, wait, that's been the strategy all along.

Re:Ugh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967195)

Did you really expect dd to give you the slightest indication that something was about to happen? What will you ask for next, a progress bar?

Re:Ugh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967377)

pv -tpreb meh.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/null

Re:Ugh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42969987)

Thanks, didn't know about pv.

Re:Ugh!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42968105)

In real life Debian will be installed to UEFI platform in, umm, 2027?

Squeee! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966525)

I love you Debian! OMG I can't wait for it to be out finally, been running it as unstable for aaaages! Gimme gimme, I want!

A RC of the installer, not of the distribution (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966531)

This is RC1 of the debian installer, not of the wheezy distribution.

Moronix (3, Insightful)

feld (980784) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966585)

I swear to god if you keep posting articles that are links to Phoronix I'm going to firewall off your site and never visit again.

How about you link to the real source (mailing lists, official Debian website) instead of sending traffic to Michael Larabel's bullshit ramblings about LOONIX NEWS that he can't even properly comprehend let alone summarize 95% of the time.

Beheaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966629)

Beheaded

Re:Moronix (3, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966733)

I swear to god if you keep posting articles that are links to Phoronix I'm going to firewall off your site and never visit again.

It's too bad that slashdotters so poorly comprehend maturity or we could go ahead and just deprecate it by always calling it Moronix or Whoreonix (I have nothing against whores, only secret whores) or similar. But you can't even throw in a Micro$oft without some whining from people who don't remember Compu$erve.

Re:Moronix (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967201)

If you can't type a company's name without defacing it to make your point, you're a fucking idiot.

Re:Moronix (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968165)

If you can't type a company's name without defacing it to make your point, you're a fucking idiot.

If your idea is so bad that you fear logging in and having it associated with your name, you're full of shit.

Re:Moronix (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42969293)

Yeah because registering a throwaway email to reply to some dipshit named "Drinkypoo" totally isn't a waste of time.

If you need a username attached to an idea to take it seriously, you're a fucking idiot who is full of shit.

Re:Moronix (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about a year and a half ago | (#42978611)

I hate to break it to you, but this entire conversation, including this post, is a waste of time.

Re:Moronix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42979563)

I hate to break it to you, but this entire conversation, including this post, is a waste of time.

No shit sherlock. Doesn't mean people have to waste even more time to satisfy some meaningless username requirement.

Re:Moronix (0)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about a year and a half ago | (#42980083)

You seem more than happy to waste yet more time responding to me, so it's clear that time isn't really the stumbling block here.

Re:Moronix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43003499)

I spent the time to respond to you because I assumed you were slightly less stupid than drinkypoo, but if you keep responding to shit like this I might as well just assume you're him on a troll account. Either way, it's irrelevant, if I decide to spend the time then obviously it's not a waste to me. Just like if I had decided to make the account and reply to him to satisfy his childish need for a username tag.

Re:Moronix (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976751)

crapslosh: spews or turds, cruft that spatters

Re:Moronix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42973071)

Thanks for making me feel old; Now get off my lawn.

Re:Moronix (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966895)

I swear to god if you keep posting articles that are links to Phoronix I'm going to firewall off your site and never visit again.

At least they could get the summary right. Not bluntly state something that is entirely and obviously false.

It's the dam installer that's being released, it looks like they stated a new Debian was being released just to drive links to Phoronix.

Re:Moronix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42968019)

Completely agree. On PC it is easy to check with mouse if the links lead to phoronix or not before clicking, but on Android Firefox this is not possible. The submissions to senseless proxy sites instead of original source are tolerable if only the destination site would be mentioned in text with something like "[phoronix]".

Re:Moronix (4, Insightful)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968659)

Phoronix isn't exactly a good news site. Nevertheless, it's probably the only site that does Linux hardware reviews, follows the progress of various open source initiatives and does that having a single semi-journalist. Good, properly staffed computer news sites out there like Anand and Tom's Hardware completely ignore Linux, Unix, BSD and what have you, therefore, inaccurate as it can be, Phoronix is the best source of information we have. Plus, bitching about inaccuracies on slashdot is borderline hilarious. This is the holy grail of fabricated flamebaits.

Fuck you debian (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966587)

Debian is for nerds and queers. All the cool people use Ubuntu.

Re:Fuck you debian (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42970665)

You realize "Ubuntu" is nigger for "too stupid for a real distro", right?

Re:Fuck you debian (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976765)

i wish i could mod parent +5 funny and +5 insightful... although its also trollbait for really bad crocodile dundee spoofs like "that's not a distro, THIS is a distro" followed by a short trip down memory lane about how he had to create his own punch cards to add two numbers together

Quite actual - Not! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966589)

I am impressed by it's actuality. Gnome 3.4 *cough*, Linux 3.2 *cough*, KDE 4.8 *cough*, XFCE 4.8 *cough*.

There is hope that the next Devbian in 5-6 years will contain. GNOME 3.6, KDE 4.10, XFCE 4.10 and Linux 3.7

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966663)

Welcome to "far from the bleeding edge". If you want the latest and greatest cutting edge technology, get Ubuntu where you can have all the cool toys like Unity and the Dash.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968039)

How could this be, when 80% of the packages of Ubuntu comes from Debian SID? What you are writing here is a propaganda that Ubuntu people likes to spread. They only work on a very small subset of the Debian packages, and they take the rest from SID, importing the bugs with them.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42970881)

it's Sid, not SID. Unless it's the sound chip of a C64.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42978817)

SID = Still In Development (or the name of the next door neighbor who always destroy toys, in toys story, as you like...)

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42972031)

I believe your sarcasm detector to be malfunctioning again.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976775)

is there a package for that?

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976781)

Sid's not the messiah... he's a very naughty boy!

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | about a year and a half ago | (#42986799)

How could this be, when 80% of the packages of Ubuntu comes from Debian SID?

Bleeding edge only matters in software you directly interact with for casual use: That 20% should easily cover the kernel, X, the DEs, the web browsers, Libreoffice, Wine, and any GUI programs large enough to have a Windows port. Sid may not be bleeding edge, but for the other 80% it isn't obsolete enough to truly bother anyone that notices.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42990441)

Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel [debian.org] , web browser [debian.net] and libreoffice [debian.org] , YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like). But I know that the latest Nouveau driver went in for Wheezy. It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.

Please stop repeating the bul**hit that everyone tells without taking the time to check.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | about a year and a half ago | (#42991917)

Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel [debian.org] , web browser [debian.net] and libreoffice [debian.org]

Kernel: [debian.org]
Stable - 2.6
Testing - 3.2
Unstable - 3.2 (released July, 2012)
Current version [kernel.org] - 3.8
Those 3.6/3.7 files seen in your link? Experimental [debian.org] . Yeah you could make it work, but then you aren't running Sid anymore. Not entirely. And if you run too much experimental for too long, something is going to end up horribly broken.

Firefox/Iceweasel [debian.org] :
Stable - 3.5
Testing - 10esr
Unstable - 10esr (released March 2012)
Current Version [mozilla.org] - 19.0

Libreoffice:
Stable - 3.5
Testing - 3.5
Unstable - 3.5 (released February 2012)
Current version [libreoffice.org] - 4.0

YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like).

I run XFCE on testing, not that it matters.

XFCE:
Stable - 4.6
Testing - 4.8
Unstable - 4.8 (released Jan 2011)
Current Version [xfce.org] - 4.10 (released April 2012)

Like I said, Sid isn't bleeding edge. Of the packages here, the newest in Sid is the kernel: 7 months old.

It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.

Well that's great (and I genuinely mean that), but a bleeding-edge enthusiast would only see that 3.2 != 3.8.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42994295)

Do you know what happens when there's a freeze of the next stable? Well, it's easy, we don't upload to SID. But we upload to Experimental instead. So, here, you're just being scared by the name of the distro, that's totally stupid.

The kernel 3.8 has been released 6 days ago. Do you think that's reasonable to expect that it reaches Debian in less than a week? I don't. Debian experimental has Firefox 19, and Libreoffice 4 and XFCE 4.10.

So, for each and every example you gave, you've been defeated.

You'd better stop exposing yourself here. You're saying only non-sense. Now, if you're just worried by the name "experimental", then I can't do anything for you. During the freeze, that's where we do our development, and so if you want to stay current, that's the only place where you will find the latest stuff. That's it. Move on...

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995319)

Do you know what happens when there's a freeze of the next stable? Well, it's easy, we don't upload to SID. But we upload to Experimental instead.

You brought up the amount of Sid in Ubuntu. My point was that only a small portion of Ubuntu "needs" to be bleeding edge, and that Sid is "good enough" for the rest of it. Now you're arguing that... Sid isn't bleeding edge because development happens in experimental? Yeah, I know. That's fine. I'm not worried about it.

The kernel 3.8 has been released 6 days ago. Do you think that's reasonable to expect that it reaches Debian in less than a week? I don't. Debian experimental has Firefox 19, and Libreoffice 4 and XFCE 4.10.

Not reasonable, no, but I wasn't about to claim 3.7 as the current version.
It doesn't matter what versions are in experimental, because - like you pointed out at the start of the thread - Ubuntu imports from Sid.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42997213)

I believe they also import selectively from Experimental during the freeze.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

smegfault (2001252) | about a year and a half ago | (#42973417)

cool toys like Unity and the Dash.

Thanks, I needed a laugh :)

Re:Quite actual - Not! (4, Interesting)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966703)

I don't think you understand the Debian philosophy. It's not "latest and greatest". It's "so stable, Archimedes could stand here to move the whole world"

Re:Quite actual - Not! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967025)

Archimedes is dead. Probably never existed.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42974831)

Intential paradox or unintentional idiocy?

Re:Quite actual - Not! (3, Insightful)

spike hay (534165) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967233)

And with the software as old as Archimedes.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967831)

I've been running Squeeze on most of my servers and Wheezy on most of my workstations without any complaint. If I want the latest and greatest I can compile it and add it to my internal apt server. My biggest concern (insofar as my servers are in the conversation) is stability. If you want the latest and shiniest, feel free to download Ubuntu. I know I've hit thirty when I start the day with a "get off my lawn!" statement.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (2)

Great Big Bird (1751616) | about a year and a half ago | (#42969971)

I run a student operated server, and I inherited an ancient Debian install that I had little control over. I proceeded to wipe for FreeBSD9 (partially the decision of the operator just before me), had that for about six months. Now that I am on Debian Testing again, life is simple again. I appreciate this about Debian. But given the nature of the 'student' part, I cannot have a compiler that is ancient considering the C++11 stuff people are using. Even in testing it is a great system.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42970823)

err... the "latest and shiniest" in ubuntu are usually slightly outdated packages from debian Sid...

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42969447)

Well very often you have massive legacy applications that also consists of mature code in maintenance mode where behind a few years behind the bleeding edge doesn't matter at all, as long as it's rock stable and receive security patches. Where you'd like upgrade day and every day after to be yet another uneventful and boring day, because the only alternative is a really bad day. If you really need bleeding edge features or is doing new development I'd use something newer, but if not you just bleed for no reason at all.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42970189)

Which is exactly what many people seem to like, just look at the amount of Windows XP users.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42970283)

Fair enough, he's still right too.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42971613)

Thank god someone keeps old and tested software updayed. You know, some people need their pc for actual work.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42977809)

Would the software run on an Acorn Archimedes?

Re:Quite actual - Not! (1)

msh104 (620136) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968479)

Well, at work i am using the debian 6 version on my desktop.
For a long time it was the only distribution you could find that would actually provide you with a stable and well working kde version.

I'll be upgrading when the debian 7 version comes out. whenever that will be.
And you know, that suits me just fine.

The only packages i upgraded are firefox, chrome, flash and libreoffice.
Other than that i had no need to run any linux distribution more current than debian 6.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42970895)

This sounds very nice. I may have to reconsider Debian. Currently using OpenSUSE 11.4 w/ Gnome 2. I would try OpenSUSE 12.2 and upgrade to Mate, but 12.2 borks on me during installation. (I do not know enough to resolve the issue.)

I did try Debian 6.04 and liked it. It was my second choice only because Firefox and Libreoffice were not included.

Re:Quite actual - Not! (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968763)

It's the exact same software as Ubuntu 12.04, whose usable version is called Linux Mint 13 Mate or Linux Mint 13 Xfce.
Debian stable when released will allow to install a slight variant, more vanilla looking of the same thing, with its highs and lows - e.g. what bullshit do I need to type on the prompt to install all non free firmware.

I wouldn't install anything else on a friend's computer, a public computer, for a relative I barely know at all etc., all situations where it's nice that the computer still works, still works the same and still gets updates many years later.
And at least it's more up to date than Ubuntu 8.04, Squeeze or Ubuntu 10.04.

Debian more or less up to date (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#42969827)

KDE 4.8 is recent enough - the current version is 4.Ten. Even GNOME 3.4 is recent enough. Okay, Linux 3.2 is old, but honestly, after Linux 3.0, there haven't been much changes to Linux, and Debian probably doesn't want to put on things like Btrfs, FFSF and so on on it - things that are brand new.

I do look forward to when Debian will have support for Wayland, as well as their other ports, like kFreeBSD up & running. Also, I'd like Debian to do BSD based userland utilities, like LLVM/Clang

Re:Debian more or less up to date (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42985741)

Oh, sure, Linux 3.2 is just as good as 3.8 as long as you don't care about KVM, Xen, open sores video drivers, more namespaces, CODEL (bufferbloat stuff) that's so intrusive that it ought to be easier to upgrade to 3.4/3.5 than to backport, than again.. we are talking about Debian so just maybe they where that crazy to do it. Oh, hi, OpenSSL, didn't see you earlier, what's up?

... a number of new features ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966655)

Someone has humour.

TIMOTHY THE FUCKUP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966689)

fire timothy. fire timothy NOW.

Re:TIMOTHY THE FUCKUP (2)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966927)

fire timothy. fire timothy NOW.

This guy has a valid point.

Stop posting link farm bull crap Timothy and get the dam summary right.

Re:TIMOTHY THE FUCKUP (1)

godrik (1287354) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967079)

slashdot does not publish so many articles everyday. Probably less than 30. How difficult is it to actually RTFA before publishing the summary and title?

Re:TIMOTHY THE FUCKUP (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967229)

slashdot does not publish so many articles everyday. Probably less than 30. How difficult is it to actually RTFA before publishing the summary and title?

Very difficult if someone is paying you to spam links to their site.

The next next story could well be 'Viagra is good for your sex life' with links to dodgy on-line drug stores.

Re:TIMOTHY THE FUCKUP (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976787)

TIMMAAH!!!!!

Re:TIMOTHY THE FUCKUP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967975)

then he'd just be a drag on America's social safety net

Wrong title (5, Informative)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966697)


Even the Phoronix article clearly has "Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" Installer Release Candidate 1" See that? INSTALLER!

Stop degrading Slashdot with misleading headlines!

Re:Wrong title (1)

rmstar (114746) | about a year and a half ago | (#42970017)

Ok, but the first sentence in the article reads:

The first release candidate of Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has been released as the official release of the "Squeeze" successor approaches in the coming months

and the rest is also misleading. So, basically, the original headline ammounts to a halfway acceptable honest mistake.

Re:Wrong title (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976793)

you'll probably find that those whinging about such a technicality are those who don't use debian

wheezy (4, Funny)

puddingebola (2036796) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966745)

Wheezy was George Jefferson's wife on the Jeffersons. This is an installer to install back episodes of the classic sitcom on your linux PC.

Re:wheezy (2)

dave3138 (528919) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966851)

I'm assuming the name's a reference to this guy: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Wheezy_(Toy_Story) [wikia.com]

Wheezy / Toy Story reference (4, Informative)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967475)

No need to assume anything here. It's explained nicely in this FAQ: The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ - section 6.2 [debian.org]

Re:wheezy (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42970483)

Wheezy was George Jefferson's wife on the Jeffersons.

Of course.

With these new features who can't say the Debian Installer isn't "movin' on up"?

Wrong wrong wrong (4, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42966925)

WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong!!!!!!!!!

Timothy, what the fuck are you doing?

Re:Wrong wrong wrong (2)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967871)

He's Timothy being Timothy.

Re:Wrong wrong wrong (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42969725)

Thank you for the correction, soulskill. Please do slap Timothy with a large trout for us.

Re:Wrong wrong wrong (1)

geschild (43455) | about a year and a half ago | (#42971745)

I'd mod you to +6, if only I could. So we'll just leave it at heart felt: if only Timothy would be running on Debian (the person, not his computer.)

Just installed it for a school (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42966957)

And full of bugs!

This week I installed it for a school.

1. Cups printer sharing is not working.

2. On Intel Atom mainboards used in this school (thinclients), Debian suddenly thinks it is a laptop with both own screen and an external. It extends it so the login looks really bad (You see just a little bit of the login dialog, the rest is in the "other" screen, which does not exist.) This worked with Squeeze and Lenny without tweaking.

3. Mplayer is not anymore able to play dvds on the model of Dell Latitude laptops they have (xv)

4. GCompris is crashing when you play chess.

etc, etc.

I refuse to report bugs when they want my email to be visible on their sites, and I do not care to make false accounts.

Re:Just installed it for a school (2)

TheCarp (96830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967131)

You installed Wheezy for a school, and sound didn't work?

First, Wheezy is a testing distro, I wouldn't install it unless I really needed something in it. In this case, I did install it (and like it) but, I did it because I couldn't get sound to work under the stable distro, not the other way around.

So you are willing to run a testing distro, and take the time to badmouth what doesn't work in testing, but also wont take the time to report bugs to the devs. Nice work there. Yah its a little rough around the edges sometimes, thats why its called testing.

FWIW, I was looking at the bugs list just before I upgraded. By my estimates, which comes from looking at the graph of release critical bugs vs previous releases, and I was (in December I think) predicting the next Debian release sometime in 3rd Q of 2013. I know thats not what they are saying, but, thats the way it appeared to be trending.

Re:Just installed it for a school (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968139)

What's wrong with having your email visible on a site? Do you believe the legend that you can hide yourself from spammer? Dude, this doesn't work. Plus it's not because you are annoyed by spams (I suppose that's the reason, right?), that you should annoy everyone and request to remove your email. How are we supposed to contact you to get feedback then?

Now, if you don't bother reporting bugs (let alone trying to fix them or contribute somehow), please don't bother either complaining on public websites.

Re:Just installed it for a school (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976795)

it could have been worse... you could have installed ubuntu

219 to go (2)

martijn hoekstra (1046898) | about a year and a half ago | (#42967021)

And counting. Wake me up when http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ [debian.org] hits under 20.

Re:219 to go MOD ME UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42967133)

'nuff said

Re:219 to go (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976801)

now now that's not like the modern corporate software machine that markets and sells alpha quality releases and expects customers to do the testing for them (and pay for the privelige)

no serial install? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42968201)

come on we do headless in the unix world still!
Serial console install is easy to put in...

Re:no serial install? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42969755)

You can. You just have to roll your own CD image, or boot from PXE or the like so you can pass arguments to the boot kernel.

Re:no serial install? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42973659)

Yes I found a roll your own instruction.

It is just that it would be easy for them to put it in the default install.
pause 10
"Hit key if not installing over serial console".
Send console to sane settings com0 9600,8,n,1

Putting kb and monitor on a server is just not right! ;-)
The bsds used to have the option now nobody does..

Re:no serial install? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42975145)

The trouble is that com port may not be correct, or it's parameters. You can try to choose sensible defaults, but the fact is they won't work everywhere.

Re:no serial install? (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976823)

are you talking about booting off a serial port?

i've done some pxe installs over lan, but i didn't think modern bios could even boot from rs232

would be pretty neat though

for headless servers needing reinstall, maybe booting from usb on the server with a usb connection to a tablet that not only provides the boot image but also displays the screen... not as geek as rs232 or kvm etc but

Wheezy (2)

Frankie70 (803801) | about a year and a half ago | (#42968643)

Well we're movin on up, To the east side.
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Movin on up
To the east side.
We finally got a piece of the pie.

Wheezy's other OSs (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#42969721)

This one is Linus, but anybody know whether Debian kFreeBSD and Debian HURD will be coming out? Okay, HURD may be a stretch, but how about kFreeBSD?

List of new features (1)

DeeEff (2370332) | about a year and a half ago | (#42970433)

I don't know if you were just listing from TFA about the installer candidate, but I noticed you left out "Proper multi arch support" from the list of wheezy features. This is actually a big deal for users interested in Debian, since the ia32libs package was a goddamn monster.

Aside from that, there a few small nuances, such as the mtpfs package disappearing from the repos (try mounting Android on Debian now, sucker!), but the things listed from the article plus multi arch are probably the biggest.

NFS install still missing (1)

jcdr (178250) | about a year and a half ago | (#42972409)

While it's very easy to use Wheezy as a NFS root filesystem, I found strange that the install still don't allow to mount a NFS share to install a root filesystem on it. I still have to install a real disk on the machine, select it for the installation and then copy his content into the machine's folder on the NFS server. A NFS mount into the installer will make the real disk and the copy no longer required.

Re:NFS install still missing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42975917)

If you aren't installing anything why have an installer?

Use debootstrap on the NFS server. I'd be willing to bet that someone would be more likely to add automatic dhcpd configuration (one click pxeboot install!) to debootstrap than to add NFS support to the installer.

Re:NFS install still missing (1)

jcdr (178250) | about a year and a half ago | (#42978693)

I already have tried that way but i found it not useful.

First the server use a very conservative policy regarding distribution and is because of that constantly hitting the too old barrier about current debootstrap. Second debootstrap only install a very minimal image that require a lot of tweaks until you get all the standard features of a today distribution. Finally debootstrap in not as simple as using the installer. The installer is designed to be simple and it's a good thing.

Proposing a NFS mount is relatively easy. It can even be done automatically if it found the NFS path in the DHCP option and found no disk on the machine.

Debian sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42974879)

Debian needs to die in a fire along with all its demon spawn.

Re:Debian sucks (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42976831)

hi there mr ballmer :)

Re:Debian sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42982707)

Just because I despise Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, etc doesn't mean I don't use Linux everyday. Debian sucks shit.

Re:Debian sucks (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42987339)

omg! mr ballmer uses linux everyday!?

Isn't "Installer" another word for "distribution"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42977105)

Isn't "Installer" just another word for "distribution" here? When I download the "Debian Installer" from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I get all of Debian, not just an install program. When I have a look at the improvements that are listed for this "installer" Isee things like "Enable orca in gnome3 sessions too". Orca and Gnome session have nothing to do with the installer software, they are part of Gnome which is part of Debian. As far as I know the only way to download and install Debian is by using the "installer". It is the word Debian uses for its distributable and installable form. I believe it simply IS Debian - all of it.

Understanding English ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996561)

Though you may scoff :: I believe Debian 'Stable' is a fairly accurate self-description of a platform that does not; nor will update core software. Here's a thought - Install Aptosid and enjoy the bleeding edge .. or just install Ubuntu and move on ...

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