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Illinois Politician Wants a Kill Switch For Anonymous Speech Online

timothy posted about a year ago | from the well-you-did-say-jehovah dept.

Censorship 522

New submitter OhSoLaMeow writes with a story at The Daily Caller with unpleasant news from the Illinois state Senate, where a state senator has introduced a bill that "would require anonymous website comment posters to reveal their identities if they want to keep their comments online." From the article (warning — obnoxious ads with sound): "The bill, called the Internet Posting Removal Act, is sponsored by Illinois state Sen. Ira Silverstein. It states that a 'web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.'"

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Death of Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

Talderas (1212466) | about a year ago | (#42972299)

Hardly. Unless your servers are located in Illinois the bill is meaningless.

Re: Death of Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972363)

That politician's mouth is in Illinois. Can we get a kill switch for attention-seeking asshats who want to take away our rights?

save for the next patent story: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972427)

apropos nothing, I'll just leave this [google.com] here.

Re:Death of Slashdot? (4, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#42972435)

Hardly. Unless your servers are located in Illinois the bill is meaningless.

EVEN if the servers are located in Illinois this law would be unconstitutional. Its unconstitutional even under the State Constitution.
It goes nowhere, and if it succeeds in getting passed, it gets bitchslapped by the courts.

Re:Death of Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#42972591)

Not necessarily; it'll only get "bitchslapped" if the courts do their jobs properly. Lots of stuff is unconstitutional (whether by a state constitution or the US Constitution) and is still enforced; the 4th Amendment in particular has been null and void for a long time (if you don't believe me, try carrying $100K in cash around and get yourself searched by the cops, or even just go through airport security with it).

Re:Death of Slashdot? (1)

tmach (886393) | about a year ago | (#42972833)

One would hope. These days, though, the people sworn to "uphold and protect" the Constitution of the United States spend most of their time ignoring or outright raping it.

Re:Death of Slashdot? (2)

detritus. (46421) | about a year ago | (#42972555)

Not really, this may even have CFAA implications. Violate a website's terms of service that is now mandated by state law to provide your actual information on a server in Illinois and the feds will have a field day once the Illinois authorities finds your information to be incorrect, incomplete or untraceable. It doesn't matter where you are in the US.

Re:Death of Slashdot? (3, Insightful)

frovingslosh (582462) | about a year ago | (#42972587)

How gutless would /. have to be to let that happen? Far better would be to proactively cut off all Illinois users from /. and instead give a message crediting Ira Silverstein with plenty of contact information. Let the citizens of Illinois thank Silverstein for his protection if they feel that is appropriate, or have them let him know that they are not pleased. Do this before the bill is voted on, so that the Illinois users can have an impact on the way the bill goes.

With all that's going on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972301)

...in their state, this is a complete and total waste of taxpayer dollars supporting this legislator's salary.

good luck enforcing this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972315)

Maybe one day we'll have elected officials that can admit that they know nothing about modern technology or how they could possibly enforce a state law on a global network of computers? Nah...

Re:good luck enforcing this (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#42972751)

Maybe one day we should propose the following amendment to the Illinois Constitution:

        (c) To be eligible to serve as a member of the General
Assembly, a person must be a United States citizen, at least
21 years old, and for the two years preceding his election or
appointment a resident of the district which he is to

No person may be elected or appointed to the Assembly unless that
person submits proof of attendance at and successfully completing no less
than 80 Credit hours (or equivalent) in a course of study covering
Constitutional Rights of citizens, the protections of freedoms of citizens
under the Constitution of Illinois and the Constitution of the United States.
Such course must be offered at all Illinois Colleges and Universities.

Wonderful (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972317)

In USA zionists work for a police state rivaling NK so that USA can be enslaved doing the bidding for Israel. Where do I see this guys voting history on israel-zionist issues.

Only in IL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972327)

This could be the death of Slashdot: No more ACs.

Only for users in Illinois, who can't be bothered to use a proxy.

Re:Only in IL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972595)

"Distributed Discussion And Publishing System "

yeah yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972335)

>' This could be the death of Slashdot: No more ACs."

Let's make this a huge deal. And how exactly should this be enforced ?

What a sucky idea. It really doesn't work when politicians with no tech knowledge tries to censor the net.

You stupid AC (2)

frovingslosh (582462) | about a year ago | (#42972659)

It is far worse than no more ACs. This would affect anyone posting here, even under a name that has been registered for more than a decade (like mine). It would say that Ira Silverstein wants you to post your actual name and contact information so that any crackpot that takes offense at what you say can track you down and inflict harm on you.

Re:You stupid AC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972843)

It's your own fault for being too poor to afford bodyguards. Ira can, why can't you?

Look, Ira understand that you can't ALL have either state-provided bodyguards or purchase your own privately (he's heard about these 'poor' people out there, though he's never actually encountered them). Look, just use some of your campaign funds to purchase bodyguards like Ira's good buddy Jesse Jackson Jr.

today's politicians (2)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#42972337)

The fact that there's even ONE politician (yeah there are more) at a state level in this country advocating for this should be setting off alarms in everyone. What the hell are these ivy league lawschool graduates being taught that makes them think like this?

Re:today's politicians (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972369)


Re:today's politicians (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972405)

Both sides do this equally. It is just a matter of who is paying the bills today.

Re:today's politicians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972473)

Dontcha mean Damnocrat?

Re:today's politicians (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972507)

LOL, this is slashdot. Any post disparaging a democrat or liberal will be modded down. This would only have worked if he was a republican, then this post would be 5 insightful right now.

Re:today's politicians (3, Funny)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#42972413)

I call myself Publius, but I'm really James Madison, Alexander Hamilton or John Jay (take your pick).

Re:today's politicians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972635)

Ben Franklin was especially a fan of these: Silence Dogood, Richard Saunders (Poor Richard), Caelia Shortface and Martha Careful, Busy Body, Anthony Afterwit, Alice Addertongue, Polly Baker, Benevolus

Re:today's politicians (2)

Farmer Tim (530755) | about a year ago | (#42972485)

What the hell are these ivy league lawschool graduates being taught that makes them think like this?

Law, obviously.

Re:today's politicians (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#42972557)

I think there's more being taught than mechanics of law.

Re:today's politicians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972771)

They're failing to learn law, but the income stream maintained from persisting in failing to teach them law while giving them passing grades is too large for the institutions to ignore. So not only does the US suffer the problem of far too many lawyers per capita. It also suffers the problem that a great many of them are not at all competent.

Re:today's politicians (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | about a year ago | (#42972803)

What the hell are these ivy league lawschool graduates being taught that makes them think like this?

They're being taught that you will get money from lobbyists by taking extreme positions...

Re:today's politicians (2)

swb (14022) | about a year ago | (#42972815)

I expect this at the State and especially more local levels.

It's my perception that the lower the level you get in government, the more controlling and power-hungry the officials are and the less they care about rights. And, more worryingly, usually the better access they have to law enforcement willing to enable abuses of power.

We're all familiar with the high profile abuses by the FBI or other federal agents, but really, it seems like they have a lot higher risk profile in terms of abuse (even if they have more power).

I worry more about getting dicked around by a municipal official who has friendly cops on his speed dial than I do a Federal bureaucrat who has to jump through 19 hoops to get Federal law enforcement to do his bidding.

WTF... (1)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about a year ago | (#42972339)

How are all these treasonous socipaths getting elected anyway?

And yes, treason. Treason is betraying your country, and since your country is its collective people, betrayal of your constituents like this should be considered treason.

Re:WTF... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972401)

hahahaha.... really? so betrayal of any of your constituents is treason? how can anything get done with that logic? you do understand that just because YOU think/want something doesn't mean that the majority of people are of the same opinion right? interpretation varies and yours by far isn't the only valid one out there...

Re:WTF... (5, Insightful)

RichMan (8097) | about a year ago | (#42972425)

> betrayal of your constituents like this

In the 21'st century a politicians constituents are the various lobby interests that give him money to run the campaigns that get them elected. "citizens" don't come into the picture except as demographics to be manipulated by the advertising campaign.

I suspect this bill was advanced directly in the interests of one of the senators "constituents".

Re:WTF... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972669)

It stems from something way pettier. Someone anonymous on the internet was mean to him, and he tried to found out who but couldn't, so now he's got this. The text also matches, nearly exactly, a proposed bill in NY that was absolutely trashed there as well. Here's an article with the texts as well.

Re:WTF... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972475)

Or the fact that they take an oath to uphold the constitution (in this case, the US and the Illinois State one which I'm sure also has a free-speech provision).

I'd agree 100% with the treason verdict :-)

captcha: conform

That's too good to be true.

Re:WTF... (3, Informative)

medcalf (68293) | about a year ago | (#42972491)

You should, perhaps, read the Constitution, which defines treason. It is not this. Something does not have to be the apex of bad to be bad. This is bad, and it's unconstitutional, but it is not treason.

Re:WTF... (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#42972627)

Maybe not, but it should be. Proposing any law which is obviously unconstitutional should be considered treason, and prosecuted as such.

Re:WTF... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972707)

the truly hilarious thing is that what you're proposing is unconstitutional, since the constitution specifically defines what treason is and it doesn't include "proposing illegal laws", therefore your proposal is treasonous by your views, or [INCEPTION WOOOOOOOONG]

Re:WTF... (3, Informative)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#42972509)

We have this thing called a Constitution, which conveniently defines treason for us:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Re:WTF... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972685)

Surely the man "adheres" to himself, yes? And he is surely an Enemy, as he is attempting to silence the legitimate speech of US citizens. Therefore he is adhering to an Enemy of the United States.

Re:WTF... (2)

servognome (738846) | about a year ago | (#42972545)

They are elected by ignorant people who find things they don't understand scary. What happens when somebody bullies a little kid online, we need a way to hold people responsible! It's important to hold website admins responsible for the trolls of D3ath2Merca.
Somebody needs to make them read the "Federalist Papers," to educate them on the importance of anonymous speech.

Re:WTF... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972567)

Actually, in the US it's got a specific definition which does not follow yours.

Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution- "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted." (I'm sure you can find quite a few recent examples thereof to point to out of numerous individuals' actions on the Hill and elsewhere in DC- not even getting into them elsewhere in Government...)

Lack of precision in things in the manner you're doing here is a part of why we find ourselves where we do. It allows them to mutate the intent of what you say or what others have said and turn it against them. What's being done here is liable to be Unconstitutional, but not Treasonous. Seditious perhaps, but not Treasonous. You should use the right terms so that they can't demolish the position in question so readily. The State Senator would like to silence posts like mine because they point out things they don't want people contemplating...like the example I gave for acts of Treason as an instance thereof.

Re:WTF... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972817)

Are you trying to offset crazy by going crazy in another direction?

Something something interstate commerce something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972341)

How does this affect someone who lives and hosts a forum in Michigan that has posts this guy doesn't like? I bet it involves fining the forum owner via forcing him to pay massive legal fees on pain of jail time.

Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972345)

This is total crap if it goes through. People should be allowed to say whatever they want, no matter how stupid.

You are posting: as Anonumous Coward (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972347)

This bill is a direct attack on my right to free speech!!

Easily circumvented using HOSTS file (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972349)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
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Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Re:Easily circumvented using HOSTS file (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972383)

I'm for this legislation if it gets rid of the "think about your breathing" shit....

Re:Easily circumvented using HOSTS file (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972523)

Why do you do this almost constantly? Don't you have BETTER & more constructive things to do?? This is like the 4th or 5th time today you've done this - stop, or take your meds, please.

* People here have told you to "shove off" before... why don't you take their advice???


P.S.=> Sorry folks - the troll doing this is "troubled" to say the least! Personally, I do *think* he's got a clear-cut case of what I call "geek angst" (lol), in that @ some point in time here on this forum (or perhaps another), I utterly LEVELLED him in some debate regarding "things technical" in computing, & this is his "effete retaliation" (along with impersonating me on this forums, downmodding my posts when he can. etc./et al) - pitiful really! ... apk

Re:Easily circumvented using HOSTS file (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972467)

Disappointing lack of subluxations

Re:Easily circumvented using HOSTS file (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972783)

Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208

Re:Easily circumvented using HOSTS file (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972727)

Posts like this make me really miss(*) the GNAA trolls.

(*) For some values of "really miss".

My name is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972351)

Anonymous Coward is Senator Ira Silverstein.

But, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972353)

My name is Anonymous Coward, you insensitive clod!

Wont happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972361)

A year or so ago a federal judge ruled an IP address does not identify a person and cant be used to do so.

How would this even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972385)

OK, so I'm posting this as an AC. Then someone sends slashdot a takedown message... how is slashdot supposed to get in touch with me? How am I supposed to track which AC message is mine?

Re:How would this even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972527)

AC comes in two flavors; Anonymous as in "no account" and Anonymous as in "not displayed decided to post as AC". They know who you are if you have ever logged in with that computer and browser, and from where you are... it's just not displayed in the discussion.

Just block Users from Illinois (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972387)

Which is as boneheaded idea as what the Illinois senate has come up with.

More (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972389)

It would be the death of forums in general, not to mention Usenet, IRC, and most other online, multi-user, interactive environments, were the bill-made-law actually even remotely enforceable. More likely, if passed, it would be used only as a tack-on charge for operators already facing court action. Prosecutors love that shit.

How Are They Going To Enforce It? (1)

assertation (1255714) | about a year ago | (#42972393)

What is to stop people from making up a "fake real name" and just plucking an address out of the phone book?

Will this bill require web site admins to require commentators to register with credit card number or cell phone number?


Re:How Are They Going To Enforce It? (5, Informative)

servognome (738846) | about a year ago | (#42972657)

Don't do that, you'll just make somebody else's life miserable.
Rather than go random, people should just put in:
Ira I. Silverstein
2951 West Devon
Chicago, IL 60659
(773) 743-5015

I guess "Freedom of Speech" (1)

bobthesungeek76036 (2697689) | about a year ago | (#42972407)

doesn't mean freedom of anonymity...

Free Speech Zones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972537)

The first is just as castrated as the second.

We, the people, have let the Bill of Rights transform into the Bill of Some Nice Suggestions if Everyone Plays Nice, Else We'll Take Them Away.

Where Is that Completely Guaranteed? (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#42972563)

doesn't mean freedom of anonymity...

I don't understand why people think that anonymity is or should be an unquestionably protected given.

While I disagree with this politician's proposal, I feel like we should make it clear that not all speech should be behind an anonymous veil. It's difficult to explore and draw the line but, for instance, if you call in a bomb threat or threaten someone's life over the phone and they use the appropriate means to track you down, I don't think you should be able to say that your speech should be anonymous and by removing the anonymity you're a treasonous free speech hater. However, if I want to criticize my leaders you shouldn't be able to trace whatever communications I use to do so in order to identify me. And I think we have court systems and warrants and wiretapping laws in place (or rather we should) that make this a process that does not become abused. When your words have a large amount of weight, they shouldn't be anonymous -- I think that testifying against someone is a great example of this. Can I anonymously swear to tell the truth and call you a pedophile and will you demand that be entered into the record in a court of law?

Another recent example I can think of that annoys me is when your "anonymous free speech" is equated to hundreds of millions of dollars [slashdot.org] or campaign donations. At that point we're talking about sums that can positively or negatively affect many lives and when it hits a certain point it should simply be published. This would reduce some of the legalized bribery in this country that is parading around as "free speech."

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It doesn't actually say anything about anonymity although I understand how forcing identification could amount to fear of response and future duress. So at that point you need to involve a judge in the process of determining whether identification is needed without violating the first amendment.

Re:Where Is that Completely Guaranteed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972663)

It's not a matter of if I have the right to be anonymous, it's a matter of does the government have the right to remove that anonymity. The government doesn't give us rights, we the people give it rights. And in this case, no, the constitution does not give the government the ability to remove my anonymity.

Re:Where Is that Completely Guaranteed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972721)

It's not a matter of if I have the right to be anonymous, it's a matter of does the government have the right to remove that anonymity. The government doesn't give us rights, we the people give it rights. And in this case, no, the constitution does not give the government the ability to remove my anonymity.

Right, which is why they're trying to put it into a bill to see if your elected officials will ratify it ... this is so confusing. There's nothing in the bill of rights about not laundering money yet we put it on the books at some point in time for good reason ...

Re:I guess "Freedom of Speech" (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year ago | (#42972763)

Technically I think that is true. I personally have not been convinced that anonymity is evil and should be banned. However, there is a certain logic to it. Under the cloak of anonymity it has been demonstrated that people are far more like to commit acts against others. From that perspective it makes sense, but, like so many things there are far more angles to view things from. There are other ways to address cyber-bullying--the likely impetus for this bill--that do not involve censorship of "uncomfortable" speech from anonymous posters.

Outsourcing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972417)

So, the plan is to make no one want to run servers in your state? Isn't that a bad idea from an economic perspective?

Also, while we are at it, lets get rid of those anonymous ballots, so we can know who voted for this guy.

All posts to all forums come from Sen. Ira Silvers (2)

tekrat (242117) | about a year ago | (#42972437)

All posts to all forums should from here on in, come from Sen. Ira Silverstein. Should be easy enough to get his address, IP, and even a few other juicy details. Make all anon. posts come from this turkey and sooner or later, he'll get the point.

Re:All posts to all forums come from Sen. Ira Silv (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972849)

Better yet, let's form a corporation and designate everybody as a corporate agent.

Shares in Ira Silverstein Inc, free for the taking.

Let's all sit here and do nothing about this. (1)

Garridan (597129) | about a year ago | (#42972447)

This legislation is too stupid to get anywhere. Move along folks...

Who voted him in? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972457)


Checking that page, with a guy refusing to give statement on important topics, no speeches, no nothing and still in office since 1999?! What kind of interests are behind him, considering he was an outsider when he got into office.

freenet = 100% lack of censorship (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972461)

freenetproject.org = absolutely no one can censor (delete) anything.
Also of-course it is anonymous (more then TOR).
Downside: it's slow.
But best thing we have now for truly NO CENSORSHIP, good for online anonymity.
got 3 minutes?

For geeks only (need patience!)

- freenetproject.org grab .jar (sorry, it's java)
- java -jar thefile.jar (and -console if headless)
- http://localhost:8888/ (from separate firefox profile, block outside-localhost access by setting invalid proxy if you want, disable java/flash if you want, JS also not needed)
- in wizard set LOW or NORMAL security (you can't have HIGH unless you know >10 freeneters practically)
- later, go to Freenet Message System and install it - its 100% uncensorable board (will take hour to start up, it's normal. create id, solve captchas)
- do NOT use Freetalk (extreamly slow), but on very fast (ram/hdd=ssd) computer try Sone and WoT plugins (Twitter!)

Greetings from anons, Johny and tgs3 see you there :)
If questions ask us there and #freenet on irc2p and freenode.org

Fuck You, Illinois (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972483)

We will set up darknet discussion systems and they can pass any number of Tshekist Laws.


Re:Fuck You, Illinois (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972709)

"Distributed Discussion And Publishing System "


Hidden TOR services:


And this "confirmation" will work how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972489)

Yes, my legal name is "Haywood Jublowme". Prove it's not.

Ira Silverstein? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972505)

Christ, why not just name your kid "Jewey Hebrew McJew"? Hope the poor kid went to Hebrew school. Because if he didn't, I bet he took a lot of ass beatings. That may go a long way to explaining why he's a dick now, actually.

unconstitutional on its face! (1)

swschrad (312009) | about a year ago | (#42972515)

Article 11 (interstate commerce) and Amendment 1 (free speech, free association) rulez the Illinois foolz

Political parties... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972549)


Time to furlough the politicians. (5, Insightful)

Rougement (975188) | about a year ago | (#42972559)

If they have nothing to do except introduce bullshit bills, we should stop paying them and send them home. We could use the money to hire better teachers, fix up a crumbling bridge or something.

Here is his contact information. Let him know how (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972575)

Springfield Office:
Senator 8th District
501A Capitol Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-5500
(217) 782-5340 FAX

District Office:
2951 West Devon
Chicago, IL 60659
(773) 743-5015
(773) 743-4750 FAX

Do they have to honor anonymous requests? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972579)

"It states that a 'web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.' "

So if someone anonymously requests to have an anonymous comment removed, can the request be ignored unless the requestor provides all the above information about him or herself?

That would be interesting...

Illinois is a tinpot little banana republic (2)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about a year ago | (#42972619)

This places Illinois on equal footing with Syria, China, and China. I mean that sincerely: if China were advancing this bill, there'd be a huge outcry over the obvious human rights violations.

There is nothing in the Constitution that grants government the power to register or regulate all of your speech, and the first amendment explicitly states that it can't. Why do these little dictator wanna-bes keep insisting that this time it's different?

Didipus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972639)

Here is a fix, if they try to destroy Slashdot and the other commercial sites. Basically, upgrade USENET with a rating system:

"Distributed Discussion And Publishing System "

Streisand effect (1)

fermion (181285) | about a year ago | (#42972641)

Since this is a politician, I assume that the bill is aimed at posts that provide unflattering information about politicians, or other public figures, say that they went to foreign country on the governments dime to meet a mistress/mister.

So here is how I see this going down. Some public figure get pissed off because some anonymous person has said they enjoy going to parties where they pretend to be a cow and get milked. The public figure uses the law to squash the anonymous posts. The person who posted it doesn't care. The public figure has taken the bait, and the information which would have remained hidden, and likely disputed on a small board, isn now national news. The poster does nothing, the post is deleted, but every search of this public figure now includes the allegation/fact that he pretends to be a cow at sex parties. What was a silly statement is a credible accusation. Why else would he take the trouble to have it removed?

The fact is that many politicians do understand the internet. One thing Obama did right is to let the birther allegations do their work on the internet until they just extinguished themselves. For most of the controversy he stayed out. Many are not so wise, engaging with the people who are just trying to get attention. Can you imagine how happy Trump would have been if the president actually acknowledged him? Ofttimes on life and online the best strategy is just to walk away.

Bill to require computer experience in politicians (1)

jjohn (2991) | about a year ago | (#42972647)

"No person shall be considered for any public office who cannot sign up for a free web mail account and send an email by his or her self."

That should reduce the political idiocy by a third, I hope.

Police State (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year ago | (#42972695)

We'll also have to register what we watch, read, listen to and do with a local office so we can told what were allowed.

Easy way around this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972697)

Post with a fake name.

how'd he get here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972717)

slow boat form china?

No problem! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972775)

My legal name is Haywood Jablowme and my home address is 123 Mecca Street, Mogadishu, Somalia.

Fuck this fascist piece of shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972779)

If you want to see who I am, come and get me, you sorry sack of shit.

I look forward to meeting you. That's right motherfucker, I am going to
fuck you up your ass when you show up. You, your dog, your wife,
and your children, all up the ass. COme and get me.

Silverstain can go ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42972813)

Suck a bag of dicks.

Another omitted (D) (5, Insightful)

Tailhook (98486) | about a year ago | (#42972841)

Inconvenient Party affiliation omitted, twice in one day.

Back here [slashdot.org] we have a Democrat state senator Toni Harp [ct.gov] from Connecticut trying to "Ban Kids From Using Arcade Guns." Now we have Democrat state senator Ira Silverstein [ilga.gov] of Illinois with another statist gem.

Could we please stop this game? When we're raging [slashdot.org] about Republicans there is no hesitation qualifying names with parties. I know it's inconvenient that all bad government isn't the fault of fundies, but pretending statists aren't a problem isn't helpful behavior.

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