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France Plans 20-Billion Euro National Broadband Plan

timothy posted about a year ago | from the such-munificence-with-tax-money dept.

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judgecorp writes "France is planning a €20 billion programme to get super-fast broadband to its rural population. About half the funds will come from government investment, and President Hollande believes the work will create 10,000 jobs. Half the population should have fast broadband in the next five years, and the whole country in ten years. France is at a disadvantage for broadband as it is a large country with a lot of rural areas. However, it also has a more left-leaning government willing to take on infrastructure projects."

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Editors.... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988115)

Hollande!

Re:Editors.... (0)

carnivore302 (708545) | about a year ago | (#42988677)

it also has a more left-leaning government

Now, that's an understatement!

Please note that Hollande has nothing to do with Holland. Although it has a similarly f*cked up government.

France is a large country? (5, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#42988123)

You call that a large country with a lot of rural areas? Now this [wikipedia.org] is a large country with a lot of rural areas!

Re:France is a large country? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988149)

You call that a large country with a lot of rural areas? Now this [wikipedia.org] is a large country with a lot of rural areas!

Sorry to nit pick, but much of Australia's enormous land mass is classified as *remote* rather than *rural*.

I don't imagine there's much in the way of "remote" areas in France (and yes, Australia is much larger than France), so your point stands.

But somehow I doubt that the proportion of "rural" land in Australia is higher than it is in France.

Re:France is a large country? (4, Informative)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#42988259)

According to Nationmaster [nationmaster.com], Australia has 490 million hectares of arable land, while France has 185 million. Environmental Knowledge Systems Australia (EKSA) [targeton.com] says that 400 million hectares of Australian land is actively used for agriculture.

Even if France used all of its arable land, it still wouldn't come close to Australia.

Re:France is a large country? (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#42988269)

Oops, screwed up the units. Add some zeros to those numbers. Proportions remain the same though.

Please don't taunt me a second time!

Re:France is a large country? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988429)

it depends if you mean "used for actual agricultural production" or "available resource for production"
if first option france got more rural land (uses more for production). a bigger part is used than in australia
if second australia wins
it should be noted that available land also needs a *lot* of water to crop anything, which australia lacks
it should also be noted as example that russians practically erased the aral sea by diverting water for agricultural needs

Re:France is a large country? (3, Interesting)

skegg (666571) | about a year ago | (#42988689)

Bah! We've got cattle stations [wikipedia.org] larger than some countries.

And yet, despite our ridiculously massive land mass and relatively tiny population, owing to fucked-up government policies we also boast some of the most expensive house prices in the world [guardian.co.uk].

Re:France is a large country? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988777)

But not larger than France.

Re:France is a large country? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42989017)

For the record (and the pre-middle-aged), the OP's joke was a play on the 'that's not a knife, now that's a knife' line from the Australian movie "Crocodile Dundee" coupled with the fact that Australia is in process of rolling out its own national broadband network. A well-deserved +5 Funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLS3RGesIFQ

Re:France is a large country? (1)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | about a year ago | (#42988153)

Yup, and I'm waiting for the NBN detractors to jump on and start complaining about "Just because France/Korea/etc do it, why should we?"

Re:France is a large country? (4, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#42988215)

It's more like the French are doing it because Australia is doing it.

It's cute the way they appreciate and imitate our Aussie culture and style. And they almost get it right, but there's a certain je ne sais quoi they never seem to manage. I'm not sure what it is though.

Re:France is a large country? (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42988439)

It's more like the French are doing it because Australia is doing it.

It's cute the way they appreciate and imitate our Aussie culture and style. And they almost get it right, but there's a certain je ne sais quoi they never seem to manage. I'm not sure what it is though.

What we do is the following: Look up for ideas around, take the best ones, add the "French touch", fail miserably.

This works (or fail if you prefer) all the time.

Re:France is a large country? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988557)

Rather imitate the Aussie's than the U.S. The isp's there got tens of billions for the exact same thing and simply pocketed the cash and did nothing.

It worked in the UK (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988673)

Joking aside, for total ISP success you couldn't do better than imitating the UK. We have hundreds of ISPs as a result of the regulator Ofcom making things difficult for the old guard, all trying to outdo each other in a total frenzy of competition that would amaze Americans. The amount of choice is bewildering.

Why this bit of centralized "planning for competition" worked out so well we're not entirely sure, but it did. :P

Re:France is a large country? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988845)

it's the freedom colonist thing - far away from the Euro-feudals

Re:France is a large country? (2)

HJED (1304957) | about a year ago | (#42988235)

Yep, one of the few reasons that I'll be voting for the government over the coalition in September (second last and last on the ballot). Although I doubt they'll win, hopefully the pirate party will get its act together before than or Tony Abbot loses the Liberal leadership (unlikley).

Re:France is a large country? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988155)

True - but do all the dingos in the gap really need broadband?

Nah, not really (1, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year ago | (#42988231)

Australia is a large country with a lot of nothing. There are like 4 city centres where most people live, a bit of rural population, and then a whole bunch of empty nothing. Not surprising, given the climate and geography really.

The US is probably one of the most rural nations over all. Lots of big cities too, of course, but a substantial amount of population that is spread out over a substantial amount of land.

Re:France is a large country? (4, Informative)

klapaucjusz (1167407) | about a year ago | (#42988245)

You call that a large country with a lot of rural areas?

By European standards, France is a large country (roughly 1000km across), with some rather sparsely populated areas [wikipedia.org] (the Northern Alps and the Massif Central). France also has a strong tradition of massive, nation-wide infrastructure projects (we've had a comprehensive high-speed train network [wikipedia.org] since the 1980s), so a nation-wide broadband infrastructure is a natural thing to do.

Now this [wikipedia.org] is a large country with a lot of rural areas!

That thing is continent-sized, not country-sized.

Re:France is a large country? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988285)

You do know Australia is also a country right?

Re:France is a large country? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#42988289)

As is the Russian Federation. You do know that countries come in all shapes & sizes, right? As small as Monaco, and at the other extreme, as large as Russia, spanning 2 continents and 11 time zones (now reduced to I think 10)

Re:France is a large country? (1)

jonbryce (703250) | about a year ago | (#42988363)

Well if Monaco was part of France, it would at least get its own city council, whereas if The Vatican was part of Italy, it would probably be part of Municipo I or Municipo XVII in Rome.

Re:France is a large country? (4, Funny)

deimtee (762122) | about a year ago | (#42988501)

11 time zones ? pfft. Antarctica has 24.

Fiber from Bering to Kaliningrad (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#42988537)

As does the Arctic. Okay, but Russia's next - you don't think they'd be laying down fiber in either of these 2 continents, do you? Whereas, if Russia chose to do that, they could employ the entire world's population in just laying that out.

Re:France is a large country? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988319)

France is nothing but a bunch of cunts. Fuck off.

Re:France is a large country? (2)

cycler (31440) | about a year ago | (#42988251)

Well, I think the poster thought "a large country in Europe".

But, if you want large countries (in Europe) that are very rural, look at the Nordic countries. The population density in France is 117/km^2 whereas in Norway, Finland and Sweden it is 16, 18 and 23 respectively. In terms of area, Sweden is the third largest country in Europe with just Spain in front.

Now get of my lawn! ;)

/C

Re:France is a large country? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988375)

I guess there is some 'sweet spot' for massive government-investments in broadband - or any infrastructure, really. Very high population density, and commercial telco's will be falling over each other to offer fast broadband. Very low population density, and even government can't justify that investment for that few people. Somewhere in between - and that somewhere probably depends on political viewpoints - is an area where profitability for commercial telco's is too low, but government (which, in the end, profits from any increase in GNP) may quite rightfully invest.

Re:France is a large country? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#42988553)

Sweden would likely have about 18-20 without all the immigrants to ;)

I think I read 85% of the people in Sweden leave in .. whatever.. cities.

Cool! (3, Insightful)

rts008 (812749) | about a year ago | (#42988125)

I hope this works out for them, but I'm not holding my breath...

If your nations economy can support this, then why not?

Re:[NOT]Cool! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988203)

"If your nations economy can support this, then why not?"

Because it's fuc**ng communism to take from some and give to all?
If you need an Internet connection, then go to your ISP and BUY it. It's that simple.
But, ow, you have to EARN money first, do you have to WORK and do something USEFUL. How unlucky for all lazy and uneducated commies...

Re:[NOT]Cool! (1)

HJED (1304957) | about a year ago | (#42988237)

And look at how that worked in the US... do you think the same should apply to roads as well, they are becoming almost as important for the ecconomy.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988261)

Is this person serious?
If so then wow, you americans really are brainwashed..

Re:[NOT]Cool! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988535)

Brainwashed?

What part of if you don't fucking work then you don't fucking eat do you not understand?

As others talk of roads, you do understand that roads are funded by taxing the fucking GAS that EVERYONE USES TO DRIVE THE FUCKING ROADS. I agree that it's not quite that simple and the statist has worked very hard to pervert this over the years to make taxes as "progressive" (spit) as possible, but the end here in the US we are supposed to value EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY not OUTCOME.

Now go fuck yourselves you Euroweenie trash commies.

Brainwashed indeed, it's you lot that are brainwashed.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (1)

skegg (666571) | about a year ago | (#42988697)

How is the army funded? Are non-taxpayers entitled to protection? e.g. the unemployed, children, ...

Re:[NOT]Cool! (2)

Bert64 (520050) | about a year ago | (#42988361)

Then most of the world is communism...
The government builds roads and all manner of other infrastructure for the benefit of all the people.
Many things are simply not economically viable to do in a capitalist system, so they would never get done at all without government intervention.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988565)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States

As per usual the Slashdot socialist class gets everything wrong.

Most of the world is not communism, there has NEVER BEEN AN EXAMPLE OF COMMUNISM ANYWHERE EVER FOR EVEN 1 FUCKING SECOND. Go read your Marx you neo-progressive ignorant looter puke.

The state build nothing except to benefit the state, you think that road is for you and your fucking convenience? Sure.

It continues to amaze me how stupid you fucking immature sheep are, spouting the latest media fed party line like such obedient little drones, wiping the spittle of your masters mouths, taxing and spending all your money, my money and you descendents money away, giving up your guns and your rights and you liberties just for a little bit of government cheese, all for the privlige of being able to drive on the kings highway for a little while, as long as your car is properly licensed, properly inspected and lit, properly insured, properly fitted with seatbelts, infant seats, pollution controls, speed controls, GPS monitoring, toll RFID chips, identification plates and on and on and on and on it goes.

Oh yea the roads are all about benefiting the common peasant.

You fucking dumb shit.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about a year ago | (#42988797)

You seem to have some anger management issues.

Oh, by the way, the French equivalent of the US interstate system is privately funded and paid for by tolls.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988971)

Socialists and statists steal 60 to 70% of the money I earn and use to support myself and my family, they piss on the Constitution and infringe on our natural rights every fucking chance they get.

You fucking bet I am pissed off and I am getting more and more pissed off every day and you liberal punks better wake the fuck up as there is only so much of this shit we the fucking people are going to fucking put up with.

Any other questions?

Re:[NOT]Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988399)

you are an idiot. when a government does something like this, it will spur a growth in the economy and the whole operation will be paid back in taxes, and then continue to add to the economy. you right wing dumbfucks just don't understand how to build a nation.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988615)

Thats worked so well we now spend our great great grand-children's money to do these things.

Oh, was I not supposed to actually think critically about the crap that you just said?

Re:[NOT]Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988411)

Ahem..it's take from all and give to few. Those who are already served by privately built networks are likely served by them in the future. Also fiber does nothing without the equipment at the both ends. Those might as well be private, public and various investment supported mixes, who knows. Public projects, like temples for Amen Ra as an jobs creation instrument was know to the ancient Egyptians already.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988459)

Um, think there laying infrastructure, not giving away internet.

Re:[NOT]Cool! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988497)

wasnt most of Franch is telecommunciation infra structure built BY the tax payers until privatised?

Re:Cool! (4, Insightful)

locater16 (2326718) | about a year ago | (#42988263)

Because... France's economy can't support it, France has a huge public debt and far too much of it's GDP is spent by the government, with it's ultra restrictive labor practices fiber optics everywhere still aren't going to attract startups like Kansas city and Google Fiber, and large government projects such as this usually end costing far too much for what is paid for. Just for starters.

Good luck with putting this into bits of Paris (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988271)

Especially the enclaves in northern Paris. These are more like sub-saharan africa and even the Police don't go there unless they really have to.
 

Re:Good luck with putting this into bits of Paris (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988293)

Sub-Saharan Africa is civilized. You are thinking of the Mahgreb Muslim migrants from countries like Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, who've made Islamic ghettos in those parts of Paris. Oh, they'll be only too happy to use those facilities to further their online jihad

Re:Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988461)

Are not going to attract startups ? Then explain me why France is the 2nd destination in Europe for foreign investments. Unless you were trolling of course.

Re:Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988627)

Then explain me why France is the 2nd destination in Europe for foreign investments.

Second largest economy in Eurozone finds itself at the #2 spot in the volume of money handled. News at 11....

Re:Cool! (5, Interesting)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#42988515)

There is nothing wrong with the government providing a lot of employment and spending a lot. Plenty of successful countries that have avoided the global recession do.

In fact this is exactly what they need now: growth. A recession is caused by a reduction in spending due to lack of confidence. Companies don't get orders, don't sell things, so they in turn don't buy stuff from other companies and so on. The government can counter that by creating big contracts.

That is how you get out of a recession. The government spends its way out, and then when times are good again cuts back and reduced the deficit it built up. Over the channel in the UK our government is doing the opposite, cutting back on everything and delaying the recovery as much as possible. They want to drive down wages, cut employment rights and get rid of aspects of the government that could be turned into profit generating businesses. It is exactly what happened during Japan's lost decade, only ours is already projected to last at least 11 years.

France has the right idea. Government debt is not like household or credit card debt, you can't solve it by cutting spending before the economy is fixed.

Re:Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988773)

The logic goes beyond that though, otherwise extremely socialist countries would be better off - which they aren't. For it to work, the government has to spend the money in fashions that are economically efficient (Pareto Efficient) - which they usually don't. But to be fair to your argument, at least broadband access is a form of capital whereas the US stimulus package was pretty much pissed away...

Re:Cool! (1)

Tomster (5075) | about a year ago | (#42989063)

Politicians and bureaucrats throwing money at a perceived problem or personal desire does not make for a well-run economy. Government spending distorts pricing and profit/loss signals for products and services. As a more egregious example, consider Mayor Bloomberg's recent proposal to install thousands of electronic charging stations in New York. Where is the need for them? Nonexistent. Or try the subsidies to the sugar growers. I could go on forever....

Then look at all the waste endemic to government spending. Where does that come from? Government has no competition and it has a captive "customer base" which provides funding through taxes which are required by law to be payed. There is consequently no significant pressure to reduce costs or be more efficient because the government can always raise taxes and its "customers" have nowhere else to go for the services government provides. Oh sure there is a lot of drama surrounding this, especially at the Federal level. Whenever there is some (perceived) threat of spending "cuts" the government "shuts down" by inflicting the maximum amount of discomfort on citizens. Naturally there is a hue and cry from the affected populace and they suddenly decide that maybe a tax increase is a good idea after all.

A recession is caused when -- across the economy in general -- prices are higher than what people are willing to pay for them. One reason for this is a lack of confidence; people (and businesses) save more and spend less when they feel uncertain about the future. Recessions aren't a bad thing; they are a normal part of a healthy economy. Recessions allow for a re-allocation of investment in more profitable areas.

Prior to the government's active management of the economy, the U.S. experienced recessions on a regular basis. No government spending was needed to recover; market forces were sufficient. Government "investment" and other interference in the economy just creates market distortions and hinders necessary corrections in the economy.

Re:Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988739)

Because... France's economy can't support it

oh yeah, why ?

France has a huge public debt

compared to which country ?

and far too much of it's GDP is spent by the government, with it's ultra restrictive labor practices

maybe, at least we are entitled to some money and respect when contracts are broken.

fiber optics everywhere still aren't going to attract startups like Kansas city and Google Fiber, and large government projects such as this usually end costing far too much for what is paid for.

pure flamebait...

Re:Cool! (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year ago | (#42988513)

I think this is better then to give the companies a lot of money and assume they will do it, like they did in the USofA.

And giving that money directly to the companies: If your nations economy can support this, then why not? Oh wait.

GOTTA KEEP THOSE NAZIS AT BAY !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988131)

And nothing does more than national broadband at keeping nazis at bay !!

Left_leaning (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988163)

How on earth does "willing to take on infrastructure projects" mean left-leaning?

I have a suggestion - since "left wing" vs "right wing" means different things in different places we should not use them.

President Holland (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988171)

Why does the President of Holland need to get involved? Surely the responsibility for a national broadband network should fall to the President of France?

Re:President Holland (2)

SpzToid (869795) | about a year ago | (#42988369)

Oh man, my brain immediately starts to think of about 100 jokes that involve the %$#@! global Dutch KPN Telecom, but then the %$#@!%$#@! huge-ass mega-global France Telecom monstrosity kills off each and every one.

MORE COMMUNISM! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988193)

"National Broadband Plan"
I think it's more like "People's Broadband Plan"

MORE COMMUNISM!

Re:MORE COMMUNISM! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988267)

If your tax dollars being spent for your benefit is communism, then I guess your tax dollars spent against your interest like in the US is despotism, feudalism, and slavery.

Large? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988195)

You obviously never heard of Canada to claim that France is a large country with a lot of rural areas. Canada is 14 times larger and has half the population. Now please, tell me again how large France is and how much of a disadvantage it is.

Re:Large? (2)

HJED (1304957) | about a year ago | (#42988243)

Or Australia, where they are already doing the same thing. (Although if the elections go the way they look like they are going to go, I expect that few will actually recive it)

Re:Large? (2)

dave420 (699308) | about a year ago | (#42988481)

The article doesn't say France is the largest, just that it is large. Yes, Canada is larger, as are a bunch of other countries. That does not stop France itself from being large.

and another fail for the "jobs" metric. (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#42988211)

I don't know where the claim of 10,000 jobs created came from. Perhaps it was just the overactive imagination of the submitter. But given that the figure is 2 million euro per alleged job created which is a ridiculous figure should job creation have been any sort of priority, it seems incredibly stupid to try to make that a selling point of the scheme.

Consider for example, the global flood that is the main point of drama in the classic story of Noah's Ark. It kills almost everyone and everything; it cleanses the world of sin for a time; and it creates 8 high value jobs!

Re:and another fail for the "jobs" metric. (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#42988303)

I too didn't get this - how does providing free broadband nationwide in any country increase jobs? Yeah, if it encourages more businesses to come in, then maybe, but there are other factors that would make employers consider whether they want to set up shop in that place or not. Such as the work culture, which was discussed a few days ago here on /.

Re:and another fail for the "jobs" metric. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988555)

Where are people getting free? Infrastructure isn't free.

Re:and another fail for the "jobs" metric. (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#42988463)

Think about the "2 million euro per alleged job":
France has to 'make' the optical cable, test it, deploy the mobile test equipment, the existing ducts have to be cleaned out, new larger pits may have to be created/expanded, vans, trucks have to be used to move trained teams around France.
For all the unique telco skill sets you have a few extra jobs that add up and spend in small communities and big cities as they move around France and upgrade.
Add in backhaul needs, the exchange upgrades, back up power, suburban roll out, isolated communities, mountains...
As for providing "free" broadband nationwide - existing and new telcos will provide their cheap/expensive plans on the new network, like in S Korea or Australia - you have optical to your home, you "pay" for any telco at any speed/data/package you or your business needs.
As for "want to set up shop in that place or not" - Who cares, France will have optical in place for generations of users, what France uses it for is for France to decide.
If people are happy with online gaming, VOIP, telemedicine, telecommuting or just HD renting movies - France has the upgrade in place and anyone with a need or vision can run with it.
Other parts of the world will have rust belt coaxial, optical to the node, ADSL upgrades and city wide non compete clauses to 'fix' up over time.
France will be moving on in the digital age just like it did with heavy engineering, aerospace and now networking.
The world is moving beyond the basics of gas, electricity, water, rail, ports, bridges and paved roads ...
How does the "2 million euro per alleged job " look with the 'private' sector spending?... you think the average existing private big national telco is all lean and modern?
"So you think the NBN is expensive?"
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/14/3690222.htm [abc.net.au]
That ~$20 billion Australian telcos spend keeping their network running for property, plant and equipment" (PPE) over 10 years.
ie most countries are already paying out billions to the keep basic copper and optical working every year making a national optical rollout look not so expensive :)

Re:and another fail for the "jobs" metric. (1)

dave420 (699308) | about a year ago | (#42988485)

Job creation is just one facet of the benefits this project brings. 10,000 jobs is nothing to laugh at - it will help thousands of families, and at the end the infrastructure of the country will be vastly improved.

But free speech not allowed... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988265)

...of course.

Can't have those damn 'infidels' upsetting the muslims BEFORE they have reached sufficient numberst to take over, and totally destroy the country, can we...

In the next 5 years? (3, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | about a year ago | (#42988339)

Make that 12.

As we learned recently, French workers work only 3 hours a day of the 7 they should.

Re:In the next 5 years? (3, Funny)

jkflying (2190798) | about a year ago | (#42988391)

This was planned by the French though, so they've already taken this into account.

Re:In the next 5 years? (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42988453)

But at some point in those 5 years the EU is going to fall on us for public debt and failed economy. Just like they did with Greece. And the plan will die at the door of the rural areas (smartly we begin by the urban areas).

And nothing will change, again.

Re:In the next 5 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988667)

Make that 12.

As we learned recently, French workers work only 3 hours a day of the 7 they should.

Considering that fact, they are the most efficient workers in the world :)

Paris First (2)

Archon-X (264195) | about a year ago | (#42988457)

.. I'd love it if they finished rolling out fiber-optic in Paris first.. Depending which arondissement you're in, the only option is super-saturated ADSL (800k/s down, 70k/s up) - or cable, which is even worse..

Re:Paris First (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#42988511)

I live in the Paris suburbs, I'm happy when I can get 400kB/s down

Re:Paris First (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988607)

I live in Nancy and get 15-20 Mbps down and 1.5 mbps up consistently (Free). Numericable has 100mbps here (though you don't get that, and they throttle torrents unlike Free). Sucks to be you.

Re:Paris First (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about a year ago | (#42988841)

I live in the Paris suburbs, I'm getting 9 megabytes/s (78Mbps) down, 620 kilobytes/s (5Mbps) up. Cable with FTTLA.

What are you on, ADSL, which ISP, how far are you from the exchange? Don't they have numericable where you are?

Re:Paris First (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#42988975)

I'm next to the Saclay area, the area often referred to as "the French silicon valley".
FTTH should arrive any day, though they've been saying that for years.

well, this is good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42988505)

for americans.. there's no way they'd let the french do something like this first.

Re:well, this is good news (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#42988593)

Americans already have universally available Internet access. There is not one square inch of the United States where one cannot purchase Internet access.

Re:well, this is good news (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about a year ago | (#42988847)

Americans already have universally available Internet access. There is not one square inch of the United States where one cannot purchase Internet access.

So does France. This is not talking about internet access, this is about broadband.

That's an interesting figure (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about a year ago | (#42988623)

Australia seems to think they can convert to an almost entirely fibre network for roughly the same amount of money,....... something doesn't add up here.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=france%20australia%20landmass [wolframalpha.com]

Require that the equipment come from France (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year ago | (#42988861)

Or at least the west. Otherwise, China will dump on you and work to destroy your industry.

Ha.. thats pretty funny (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about a year ago | (#42989079)

France is at a disadvantage for broadband as it is a large country with a lot of rural areas

The European territory of France covers 547,030 square kilometres (211,209 sq mi). France is smaller than New Mexico and Colorado combined. It is not a "large" country and has a population density (116/sq km) comparable to PA (110/sqkm) or OH (109 /sqkm), not NM (7) or CO(19).

But in a socialist utopia like France, any excuse for a government boondoggle is a good one.

Why not just go after the low hanging fruit? (2)

dixonpete (1267776) | about a year ago | (#42989165)

Universal access is damnably expensive but a lot can be done on the cheap. Like hooking up the highest density areas first and requiring all new construction to have fiber. Better something than nothing.
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