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NASCAR Tries To Squelch Video of Spectators Injured By Crash

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the isn't-that-why-people-watch-nascar dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Dozens of fans attending a NASCAR race at Daytona Speedway were injured when a crash during the last lap triggered a chain reaction, culminating in the front section of Kyle Larson's car ricocheting into the fence in front of the stands (Larson escaped injury). While the footage accompanying the article is dramatic enough, an even more riveting clip showing the chaotic scene in the stands from up close was posted on YouTube, but was taken down after NASCAR claimed it violated their copyright . YouTube has since restored the fan's video. A NASCAR spokesman has issued a clarification, saying that the takedown request was done out of respect for those injured. The race was an opening act for the main event, the Daytona 500, which officials say will proceed as scheduled. 'With the fence being prepared tonight to our safety protocols, we expect to go racing tomorrow with no changes,' Speedway President Joie Chitwood told CNN."

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Nascar .. cha ching (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995643)

Next up any mention of NASCAR will cost you a dollah

Re:Nascar .. cha ching (5, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995739)

That doesn't seem fair. Everybody knows NASCAR fans can't afford a dollar.

. . . I'm a shitty person . . .

Re:Nascar .. cha ching (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995827)

Well, they can afford plenty of beer; I drink with a lot of NASCAR fans. There are NASCAR parties in most bars around here today.

Re:Nascar .. cha ching (2)

hedleyroos (817147) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995913)

I was expecting to see Randy Marsh in the video.

Re:Nascar .. cha ching (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995843)

It shocked me to learn that NASCAR tickets are more expensive than NFL seats. The more you know.

Re:Nascar .. cha ching (0, Offtopic)

flyneye (84093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995989)

Well, most NASCAR racers can't afford an engine, but they do their darned best to bring you entertainment.
Before the race, straws are drawn and the short straw gets a nice heavy duty Cummins tractor engine. Straws are drawn again for position and the pit crews start attaching a chain from the engine car to those behind them. The flag drops and the cars roar off like a big choo choo train. The accident happened because a weak link in the chain broke causing a sudden loss of torque and surprising the driver who was busy texting a pit bunny . This caused the crash and a delay of race as the pit crew rushed to bolt the chain back together and finish the race. Fans are encouraged to send donations to NASCAR Chain to keep this proud U.S. tradition advertising the finest makers of autos and auto accessories, t-shirts, toys and beer.

False Takedown Notice? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995653)

So is NASCAR going to have a rash of legal suits for false takedown notices?

Re:False Takedown Notice? (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995667)

Didn't you get the memo, laws are for poor people.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (5, Interesting)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995703)

Has any one, let alone some large corporate entity, every been sanctioned for false takedown?

Re:False Takedown Notice? (5, Insightful)

SniffTheGlove (1261240) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996039)

I really wish that Google would do the right thing and prosecute these organisations, after all they all state "The information in all notifications submitted through the Program will be accurate, and I swear, under penalty of perjury, that with respect to those notifications, I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed." If there is a false take down then under their own words of "under penalty of perjury" they should be prosecuted. If there is never any comeback on these organisations they will keep on pumping out false takedowns. Does not matter if these are automated takedowns done by software and the sender of the takedown states "under penalty of perjury" then they are liable.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996057)

rotfl

you - you a funny guy

Re:False Takedown Notice? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996067)

Of course not. If someone tried, the law suit would be long and ruining for the person.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (5, Interesting)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995745)

A NASCAR spokesman has issued a clarification, saying that the takedown request was done out of respect for those injured.

Wow. So doing things under false pretenses is now a legitimate form of showing respect to someone. I'll try to remember that, it might come in handy!

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995981)

You're only now learning this? Have you learned nothing from all the slaughter done in the name of Jesus?

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996097)

Or the slaughter done in the name of Muhammed?

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996117)

Only the flying spaghetti’s monsters, is not covered in blood, yet

Re:False Takedown Notice? (5, Informative)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995765)

So is NASCAR going to have a rash of legal suits for false takedown notices?

No, AFAIK the DMCA laws state that you lose the right to file any more DMCA takedown requests if you fail to comply with the rules -- ie. filing takedown requests in bad faith, for example, would result in you losing the right to protect your content with any future requests. It does not make you liable for monetary compensation or place you in a position for lawsuits. In addition to that, no one seems to actually honor this side of the law -- Google certainly doesn't give a flying f*ck if someone abuses the DMCA as long as they get their pretty penny.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995861)

In practice, I believe these clauses of the DMCA only apply to the little guys.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995921)

Is there some public database listing those who got their rights to file takedown complaints revoked ?

If there isn't how would the site owner check if the guy making the complaint may do so ?
If there is no such database its intentional to make it impossible to enforce the penalties.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (3, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995889)

No, a false take down notice if it is knowingly false, subject whoever made the false accusation to liability to all damages including legal fees as a result of the take down.

The problem is in showing you were injured in a way that can be monetized.

There may be rules of the court in which allow for someone to be restricted from an action in the future, but the law only provides for the recovery of damages, costs, and lawyer fees involved with it.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995905)

By your cynical logic, wouldn't Google care about false takedown notices since they're not going to make money off of ads for videos they can't show?

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995997)

All content is now transferred to NASCAR Digital Media II. When that one files a false claim and loses their privilege, all content is transferred to NASCAR Digital Media 3.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996059)

My understanding is that, technically, they fill out a form as part of a partnership they have with YouTube (Google) that is not *technically* a DMCA takedown request. It gives them the ability to have the same effect without having the liability of actually filling one out. Everybody (with money) wins!

Re:False Takedown Notice? (4, Interesting)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995833)

I'm not sure they were false. Major League Baseball and I think most of the football chains have long considered anything that happens within their stadiums to be their copyright and trademark if documented.

NASCAR could have the same legal position except they do not normally restrict the usage of fan generated content.

Re:False Takedown Notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996065)

The most likely result of this will be some hasty alterations made to future tickets so that the "legalese" on the ticket clearly states that any and all video and audio representations taken while in the venue are property of NASCAR. That way they will be able to take down any videos that they don't like.

Respect is an excuse? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995657)

"Respect" is an excuse for perjury and a violation of a federal law? I should try that one if I ever get I trouble. I was just being respectful.

Oh, I forgot. The rules are different for large corporations. Carry on.

Good Guy Nascar... (-1, Troll)

iCEBaLM (34905) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995659)

... Violating the law out of respect for those injured.

What a bunch of rednecks.

Slow mo video (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995663)

Liveleak has it, but you can't post racist comments on there unlike youtube.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2c_1361717939

Yay Lawyers! (5, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995669)

What's a little perjury when you have someone's best interests in mind, right?

Re:Yay Lawyers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995851)

What's a little perjury when you have someone's best interests in mind, right?

And by "someone's best interests" you mean NASCAR had its own best interests in mind, right?

Why do they think they can get away with this? (5, Insightful)

CaptainOfSpray (1229754) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995679)

So the takedown "was done out of respect for those injured."? Yeah, we lied about owning the copyright of newsfilm of a public event, in order to CMA, we didn't want to look bad or not caring about safety, we just wanted to suppress it all, so we invalidly exploited a stupid law. Who cares? We're important and those people injured are nobodies.

Re:Why do they think they can get away with this? (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995931)

Where does it say they lied about the copyright?

Major League Baseball asserted ownership of the copyright of anything that happened at their games. This has been long enough ago that a lot of other organizations have done the same. It has even withstood court challenges. If NASCAR asserts the same ownership at their events, then they could very well have a copyright ownership. Their lack of enforcement in the past does not forbid them from enforcement in the future, it just makes them a dick for selectively doing it, and less of a dick for doing it for these reasons. It has nothing to do with not caring about safety as all the information, likely along with more video coverage then the fan's created coverage, will be sent to regulators and authorities for review.

Re:Why do they think they can get away with this? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995979)

Major League Baseball asserted ownership of the copyright of anything that happened at their games. This has been long enough ago that a lot of other organizations have done the same. It has even withstood court challenges.

I tried to find out what court challenges they'd won, to get an idea if NASCAR has a valid claim here. I swear they'd won some, but all I could find was the one they lost claiming copyright over the statistics.

Re:Why do they think they can get away with this? (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996129)

Good catch. I was under the impression that MBL actually went to court to get a blog shut down and content removed in the late 1990's and won. But I can find no reference to this now.

PR already started (4, Interesting)

fafaforza (248976) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995685)

I was watching their press conference (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/24/daytona-crash-fans-injured-race) and wondered why that Chit guy kept repeating how quickly and within protocol their people responded. I guess there's some question now, and they're already setting a stage for their defense.

No biggie (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995687)

I'm sure out of all those injured, none had IQ's over 90.

I'll tell you what's gross. (5, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995705)

If you watch the video, everyone's practically ejaculating as the wreck begins and more cars get involved. And then, suddenly, it extends into the spectator seating and then it's the worst thing in the world. I'm sorry for those who were injured, but there's something about that which just seems really gross. "Oh, dang Jimmy Bob John Paul Ricky Dicky Junior! Look at that amazing wreck and the cars flipping around and slamming into each other! This is what we come to see! Violence and destruction and people risking their lives potentially being injured for our enjoyment!" followed by "ermagherd, a tire! who do we sue?!".

Don't misunderstand me -- the accident looked horrible, even though it wasn't clear who was injured and exactly to what extent, in the seats and I hope the spectators end up being okay and are justly compensated. It's great that the drivers were apparently okay. It's just that, as I watched the video, something about that sort of -- I don't want to call it hypocrisy, but I don't know what to call it -- which I found kind of gross.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995733)

Well, people aren't there to see cars running around in a big circle... so... you know... yeah.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996009)

Myself, I like to go to the turtle races, but only for the crashes.

(*ducks!*)

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (4, Funny)

SydShamino (547793) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996105)

No wonder there are crashes. What are ducks doing at a turtle race?

I'll tell you what's gross-Gladiators. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995755)

Blood and Circuses.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995773)

It's just that, as I watched the video, something about that sort of -- I don't want to call it hypocrisy, but I don't know what to call it

Karma.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (4, Funny)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995845)

Carma, in this case.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995799)

NASCAR: A waste on so many levels.

Experience rainbows of emotion as you're confused, disgusted, offended, put off and traumatized by trying to understand that ridiculous culture.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995817)

Hoping to see other people suffer injuries without being injured oneself is not hypocritical. It is callous, perhaps sociopathic.

You hope the spectators are justly compensated, but they already have been. What could be more appropriate than suffering an injury themselves?

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996049)

I was impressed by the force of impact that that protective wall absorbed. 10 years ago the carnage from an event like this crash would have been huge. That no one was killed (afaik) says a lot about the safety measures that have been implemented. Just need to make that fence a little bit higher maybe?

Gross? (5, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995863)

I'm undoing my negative moderation of your post to reply to your comment. In case you don't understand the context of this video, it is the final lap of the race. Everyone is excited because it is a close race with a number of cars vying for the win. Perhaps you don't enjoy watching sports, or rooting for a particular person or team to win, but most people tend to get rather excited when a long competition comes down to the very end.

For you to demean the spectators, and use terms like "practically ejaculating", simply shows me that you are detached emotionally from sporting events, which is a great source of entertainment and pleasure for a very significant number of people.

If you find spectators getting excited over a winner of an event "gross" then I advise you to not attend sporting events or view videos of them, so as to not offend your sensitivities.

Re:Gross? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995973)

NASCAR is not a goddamn sport. You have rules that you have to follow while driving? Welcome to every fucking public road in America -- we're all athletes! Mooo MOOOO MOOOO FUCKING MOOOO goddamn manatees watching dumbshits drive in circles. More beer for the narwhals while they watch their "sport" ... the word means nothing anymore.

Re:Gross? (4, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996019)

NASCAR is not a goddamn sport. You have rules that you have to follow while driving? Welcome to every fucking public road in America -- we're all athletes! Mooo MOOOO MOOOO FUCKING MOOOO goddamn manatees watching dumbshits drive in circles. More beer for the narwhals while they watch their "sport" ... the word means nothing anymore.

So, for you, a 'sport' is something practiced in the nude without any implements, tools or other artifacts of modern life? So naked Christians thrown to the lions in early Rome was a 'sport'? Interesting outlook on things.

Motor sport racing, while silly on a lot of levels (NASCAR especially) requires quite a bit of athleticism from it's participants. YOU try to muscle a 5000 pound vehicle at close proximity to others going close to 200 mph for several hours. YOU probably couldn't get the thing out of the garage without having a heart attack. Ignorant Bozo.

Re:Gross? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996099)

So, for you, a 'sport' is something practiced in the nude without any implements, tools or other artifacts of modern life? So naked Christians thrown to the lions in early Rome was a 'sport'? Interesting outlook on things.

What the fuck are you talking about? Nice strawman ... believe it or not, you can play soccer in the nude and it's still fucking soccer.

YOU try to muscle a 5000 pound vehicle at close proximity to others going close to 200 mph for several hours. YOU probably couldn't get the thing out of the garage without having a heart attack. Ignorant Bozo.

So farmers that drive combines in fields must be -- what -- olympic grade athletes at the "sports" you consider?

Re:Gross? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996119)

YOU probably couldn't get the thing out of the garage without having a heart attack. Ignorant Bozo.

Your boyfriend told me you love to suck cock when
y'all are parked in his truck.

Re:Gross? (2)

Bagels (676159) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996087)

I think Seumas is commenting in part on the announcers' apparent lack of concern for the safety of the drivers. Yes, the crash could be a pivotal moment in the race - but it's arguably a little warped to be audibly excited about an event that could lead to the injury/death of several of the people involved. It's a fair criticism, whether you enjoy the sport or not.

Re:Gross? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996095)

For you to demean the spectators, and use terms like "practically ejaculating", simply shows me that you are detached emotionally from sporting events, which is a great source of entertainment and pleasure for a very significant number of people.

You cannot even use correct grammar ( hint : sporting events is plural, so you need to use ARE instead
of "is" in your sentence above ).

And you attempt to justify something being worthwhile based on its popularity.

Do us all a favor and kill yourself, you pathetic redneck loser fuck.

Re:Gross? (4, Insightful)

iCEBaLM (34905) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996151)

Except the loudest cheers where not when the cars were in sight, but when the crash began, including a loud "Ooooh, there we go!" from someone close to the camera.

Nice try though.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (2)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995865)

You would question the base ethics and thus intelligence of spectators of a sport that fundamentally involves cars driving around in a circle [youtube.com] for hours on end?

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996125)

What about the sport involving moving a ball from one place to another? Clicking buttons? Pieces of paper with writing on them? Tiny clay figures?

You can sneeringly disdain any damn thing that your arrogant ass wants, that only proves you can be condescending. Which is a really special club, only 97% of humanity belongs.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (2)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995869)

I don't want to call it hypocrisy, but I don't know what to call it

Human nature?

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1)

chrism238 (657741) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995873)

... and I hope the spectators end up being okay and are justly compensated.

Justly compensated for what? The spectator (yes, we all hope that they have a speedy recovery) came to a see cars racing, and took on the risk.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (2)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995877)

It's like the Joker said ... It's expected some cars will crash, and some driver might get hurt. It's not expected that people on the other side of the chain link fence 10 feet away are going to get hurt.

There is $100k+ of engineering per seat keeping drivers safe in these crashes. There $100k (maybe) of safety structure between cars and spectators. People pay for front row seats to experience the cars... If they pile up more safe brick walls, people can't see the cars... They can just watch on TV.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1)

poity (465672) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995901)

Adrenaline probably. They're not fully conscious of the consequences at the moment of something spectacular happening. Same reason a violent tackle in in any contact sport is met with enthusiasm from fans -- that is until they realize the players are not getting up. Look at football (American and Euro) and rugby highlights and you'll see the same thing.

Re:I'll tell you what's gross. (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995977)

Well, First, I don't watch NASCAR on purpose. But you have to marvel at the engineering involved that allows cars to fly around a track as 160-200+ miles per hour speeds, often just inches away from each other, and when they do have an accident, the drivers walk away with little more then their wallets damaged better then 90% of the time.

If you have to compare the wrecks on the track to wrecks that injure spectators, think of it more like watching kids driving bumper cars at the county fair verses your teenager driving your car and an accident happens. On one, there is a comfortable margin of safety. Or maybe a demolition derby which is a staple at most county fairs would be more accurate.

Illegal take down request, penalty is ---- (5, Interesting)

RichMan (8097) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995723)

As a penalty the next takedown request from NASCAR to youtube should require full documentation requiring a lawyers affidavit and full documentation of ownership of all material asserted to be owned and an full explanation of the way in which copyright is violated and a $10K deposit.
Youtube may then take up to a week to process the take down request. An improper request will not remove the penalty and the deposit will be forfit.

At least I can dream.

Perjury (5, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995737)

NASCAR: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed."

Youtube: "Our partners and users do not have the right to take down videos from YouTube unless they contain content which is copyright infringing, which is why we have reinstated the videos."

Youtube has more or less admitted that NASCAR committed perjury by filing the DMCA claim.
Should be a slam dunk court case. Right?

Re:Perjury (2, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995791)

Sure. Now who is going to file charges? Nobody.

Re:Perjury (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995849)

Sure. Now who is going to file charges? Nobody.

That's right. NASCAR is a very rich and well connected organization. And their political clout is gigantic. No Republican politician will ever back anything against them - it'l totally piss off their base! You know; white trash morons.

Daytona, FL - the White Trash Capital of the World

Re:Perjury (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995807)

Has anyone ever been prosecuted for a false DMCA claim? Even though DMCA takedown requests supposedly have to be accurate under the penalty of perjury?

Re:Perjury (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996141)

IIRC, the takedown tools youtube gives to big media companies don't include the formality of filing a DMCA claim. We don't know what route NASCAR took, but they may or may not have committed perjury.

Doesn't make it right. Just less illegal.

Re:Perjury (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996143)

If they used the DMCA yes, but as I understand it a lot of the big takedown senders - and I would assume NASCAR is one of them - have a private deal with YouTube to pull content, without formally issuing a DMCA notice. It's not required by law, but it's not forbidden by law either. Also your quote is very wrong, the legal text is:

(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

Only the last part is "under penalty of perjury", the rest only goes under "misrepresentation" in the law.

Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section -
(1) that material or activity is infringing, or
(2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,
shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys' fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright ownerâ(TM)s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

Stop Automobile Violence Act (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995753)

Automobile violence in the US has been rising at an alarming rate for the last 60 years.

Deaths by automobile are rising faster that the sun rise.

We need the President and Vice President and leaders of both chambers of Congress to come together and remove the violent and death dealing automobile from our local, state and national pathways.

There is no US constitutional amendment, clause or Executive Order that mandates an automobile for any US citizen.

Death from the automobile is not 'pursuit of happiness.'

The time has come to ... Kill the Car ... and let the people live.

Re:Stop Automobile Violence Act (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995805)

Fine. How about we take away your automobile first and not allow any automobiles where you live. Let's see how long it takes for you to STARVE TO DEATH because no more food is being delivered to your area anymore....

Re:Stop Automobile Violence Act (5, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995847)

You ignorant commie. The solution isn't to take cars away from people. It's to require ALL law-abiding citizens to own and carry cars. Especially teachers. Look at cities like LA, where everyone is extremely nice to each other, because everybody knows that everybody else is carrying an automobile.

Sidenote: I love the second amendment and all, but c'mon - I got a chuckle. :P

Re:Stop Automobile Violence Act (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995867)

Indeed and let's not forget the fact that the numbers of people dieing on the roads has been decreasing in recent years.

Perjurious fuckers... (4, Informative)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995769)

Look, you fuckers, you can't use copyright law "out of respect for the injured", mmkay? What kind of an idiot would come out with this line for an excuse? You did not send an "I wish it were so" takedown. You sent a takedown under DMCA, and you've just publicly claimed that you've perjured yourself! Just one more reason for me to otherwise ignore NASCAR.

Re:Perjurious fuckers... (2)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995995)

They can if they own the copyright. It owuld be a distinction between why they normally do not assert their ownership to fan created videos and they are now.

Now I'm not saying NASCAR is the owner, but Major League Baseball and some of the NFL franchises assert ownership of anything documented at their games. If NASCAR is in the same legal position, you will find they are a valid owner regardless of failing to exert any rights to that ownership in the past. MLB has actually won this in court already.

And if you otherwise ignore NASCAR, I'm not entirely sure why you are upset over this as the content has been restored.

Re:Perjurious fuckers... (3, Interesting)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996013)

That maks MLB and NFL fuckers too. Thanks for clearing it up for me, not that I was ever in love with large scale U.S. sports anyway.

re takedown (1)

freddieb (537771) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995795)

Nascar should not have tried to suppress the video. If you look at their new website, it is obvious they don't know much about electronic media. The website is awful. Maybe the art of web design is lost? Surely they could have done better.

Re:re takedown (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996123)

And it's not like the footage isn't plastered on all of the tv news stations.

takedown request? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995801)

copyright takedown request
"takedown request was done out of respect for those injured"

Someone deserves few years in jail here.

Their "safety protocols" are crap (1, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995803)

Sorry but what idiot thinks that a Chain link fence can hold back a 200mph engine block? Up to the 20' mark above the wall should be 8" thick polycarbonate with large steel beams. Problem is that NASCAR hates spending money on safety of the fans.

Re:Their "safety protocols" are crap (3, Informative)

johnny cashed (590023) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995883)

In addition to the chain link fencing, there are four or five tensioned steel cables on the lower portion to give additional reinforcement.

Re:Their "safety protocols" are crap (-1, Flamebait)

Nolas (942934) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996055)

sorry but what idiot does not do research to find out that those fences have worked very, very well for many decades. oh Lumpy the slash-doter of course. Problem is you lack the intelligence to to do proper research.

Re:Their "safety protocols" are crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996157)

The same idiot who thinks an engine block can dislodge from the engine mounts, bounce off the pavement and fly through the hood up into the bleachers. Yep - that was a mighty bouncy engine block in the video wasn't it!

Good rednecks in action (5, Funny)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995809)

Did you notice the guy shooting the video was 2 seats away from where the tire landed and he DID NOT SPILL HIS BEER. I'm not joking, check it out. That's some good redneck skills right there, man.

Re:Good rednecks in action (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996017)

Did you notice the guy shooting the video was 2 seats away from where the tire landed and he DID NOT SPILL HIS BEER. I'm not joking, check it out. That's some good redneck skills right there, man.

that beer cost about 7 bucks. shy of an engine block severing off both your arms would you spill it?

What is this nascar? (3, Funny)

Ice Station Zebra (18124) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995811)

Is it a new programming language? Real nerds want to know.

Re:What is this nascar? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995911)

Ahh one of the assholes decided to pop his head up and cry about the content of Slashdot again.

You are 100% correct in the implication that most nerds don't give two shakes of a rats ass about Nascar. You failed to comprehend that the article is also about DMCA abuses, this is something that all real nerds would care about.

Next time you think the articles don't fit your refined tastes, turn in your nerd card at the door, and don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

Re:What is this nascar? (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996001)

nas = network attached storage
car = first element of a dotted pair

So someone had a pair of network attached storage devices, and the first one crashed. :-)

"out of respect for those injured"? (2)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995831)

That's all very well and good, and may have even been a perfectly arguable justification for having the video pulled from Youtube (although it may have taken longer), but why couldn't they have just said that in the first place, instead of making up some copyright violation excuse? Now, instead of coming across like they actually might have even cared about the people who were hurt, this after-the-fact excuse sounds very wholly contrived, and not really a priority for them at all.

"to our safety protocols" (2)

Guppy06 (410832) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995885)

With the fence being prepared tonight to our safety protocols

Hey, those protocols were sufficient the last time around, amirite?

Perjury (4, Funny)

hduff (570443) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995927)

"We realized we perjured ouselves in requesting a DCMA takedown of a fan video of a crash where spectators were injured. It made us look bad and made racing appear unsafe for spectators and would hurt our business. Besides, the video showed a lack of respect for the Women, Veterans and First Responders who may have been injured. We support and love these dedicated American Heroes who sacrifice everything for this Great Country and would undoubtedly support us in our loving, caring, selfless decision. Since he drinks beer, President Obama is probably a big race fan and I'm sure Obama and Jesus would support us in this no matter what the law says. I know Jesus would forgive us." Speedway President Joie Chitwood told CNN.

Nice to Know (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995939)

It's nice to know NASCAR has a copyright on injuries to consumers of their product.

Microsoft has a lot of license fees to pay.

it's a news event (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995949)

fair use should apply

it all happens on corporate property, but that doesn't trump the common news value

this is a dangerous precedent if corporate PR trumps newsworthiness

this is how and why western democratic ideals and freedoms are undermined by runaway financial power

link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42995953)

But don't think about posting the link to the damned video as part of the story. No, that wouldn't be of any value.

Respect for those who were injured ... (1)

Chromium_One (126329) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995955)

Yeah, see how much ice that cuts as soon as one of those who was injured tries to *keep* any of this footage online.

Does not top years years 500 crash and fireball (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42995971)

Does not top years years 500 crash and fireball

Too bad, NASCRAP (2)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996021)

Yes, I will even defend FOX News on this. This is absolutely newsworthy and applicable to freedom of the press. The extremely obvious reason why they want to suppress it is to minimize loss of fanship (though their fans have a pretty hardcore dedication, is that even possible anyway?) and loss of profit. Fuck off NASCRAP.

It's the great american race (1)

kspacey (871661) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996027)

Complete with censorship and blackout

Is this Nerdy in any way? (0)

TooTechy (191509) | about a year and a half ago | (#42996029)

For the life of me I am trying to determine why this is on /.

It must be a slow tech news day. Sunday - sigh.

Everyone knows that Nascar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42996069)

...holds the copyright for horrific accidents. Sheesh!

Sometimes their lawyers beat the ambulance to the scene of especially gruesome car crashes to serve papers. "Excuse me, sir, you are violating our copyright for accidentis horribilis. Here are the court papers. Right, your arms are over there on the sidewalk. Then I will just drop these on your head and see you in court."

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