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Linus Torvalds Explodes at Red Hat Developer

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the can't-we-all-just-get-along? dept.

Microsoft 786

sfcrazy writes "Quite a lot of people raised their eyebrows the way ex-Red Hat developer Matthew Garrett made Microsoft the 'universal' control of any desktops PCs running with UEFI secure boot. Though the intentions of Garrett were clear — to enable GNU/Linux to be able to run Linux on Windows 8 certified PCs with secure boot; it was clearly putting Microsoft in a very powerful position. Linus, while a supporter of secure boot, exploded at Garrett and Howells when they proposed its inclusion in the kernel. Linus responded: 'Guys, this is not a d*#@-sucking contest. If you want to parse PE binaries, go right ahead. If Red Hat wants to deep-throat Microsoft, that's *your* issue. That has nothing what-so-ever to do with the kernel I maintain. It's trivial for you guys to have a signing machine that parses the PE binary, verifies the signatures, and signs the resulting keys with your own key. You already wrote the code, for chissake, it's in that f*cking pull request.'" Update: 02/25 17:24 GMT by U L : The headline/article are misleading, since mjg seems to agree that the patch is a bit complicated : "(I mean, *I'm* fine with the idea that they're *@#$ing idiots and deserve to be miserable, but apparently there's people who think this is a vital part of a business model)". The issue at hand is a set of patches to load and store keys inside of a UEFI PE binary which is then passed to the kernel, which then extracts the keys from the binary. It's absurd, it's messy, and it's only needed because Microsoft will only sign PE binaries so not supporting it makes restricted boot even more difficult to support.

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Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (-1, Flamebait)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#43002531)

He claims to love Linux, but what he really loves is himself. And every time it looks like Linux might achieve even a modicum of success, his overinflated ego is always there to ruin it.

Someone needs to tell him that it's hard enough to get people to adopt your OS with 3 million competing distros, much less with the leadership of an egotistical ass who takes every opportunity to scream like bipolar child at anyone who tries to actually help. The only thing Garrett was doing in this case was recognizing a problem going forward, and fixing it. And Torvalds tears his head off for it. He thinks everything has to be a big heroic stand--with him as hero, of course.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Funny)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#43002545)

Well.. we have found Steve Ballmer's account name on Slashdot apparently...

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002655)

What? He's totally right: Linus jerks himself in front a mirror, that's common knowledge.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002917)

Right, because being critical of Torvalds means you must be "the enemy."

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002553)

He claims to love Linux, but what he really loves is himself.

Kinda puts that whole 'dick-sucking contest' comment in a whole new light, doesn't it?

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1, Insightful)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about a year ago | (#43002595)

Well, as soon as they can get over this ideological bullshit and act like professionals, then, maybe, the year of linux on the desktop might magically materialize.

Ideology is what it's all about (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year ago | (#43002641)

I'd be interested to know how you can separate words like "free" and "open" (as in "free" and "open source" software) from ideology.

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (2, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002759)

BSD license. Essentially "here's some cool shit, go nuts. Just mention us in the credits!" No political BS trying to enforce your world view on others.

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43002807)

Too bad in real life what that gets you is a dying OS.

What happens is changes do not make it back, no one is forced to cooperate and the OS stagnates and dies. This is why BSD is still so far behind with modern features.

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (3, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002867)

Must be why its the core of juniper JunOS, every Netapp filer, every iDevice, every Mac, every Cisco IronPort, etc.

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002913)

Must be why its the core of juniper JunOS, every Netapp filer, every iDevice, every Mac, every Cisco IronPort, etc.

Corporate dead ends, in service to antihumanist zaibatsu.... unlike OpenBSD or debian GNU/Linux, which are advancing the human condition through openness and sharing.

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002959)

go and lay down, you've had enough

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (2)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002967)

Whatever. I'll sleep better at night knowing that if i have a drive die in my filer overnight, Netapp will ship one to my doorstep to pop in by tomorrow morning.

Re:Ideology is what it's all about (0, Flamebait)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43002771)

And as long as it's about an ideology, rather than being a good user experience, Linux will continue to fail on the desktop.

The only reason it's found success in other markets (phones, servers, embedded systems) is because of the meaning of free that's not ideology - free as in beer.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43002717)

Well, as soon as they can get over this ideological bullshit and act like professionals, then, maybe, the year of linux on the desktop might magically materialize.

I use Linux because I feel it is the best Free and Open environment. Note those ideological words? OK, sibling comment says that, but it doesn't say this: I feel it has become that because of the ideology, not in spite of it. I give a fuck if everyone else runs the same operating system I am. And in any case, Android is continuing to gain market share. I figure it's got the best chance right now to become Linux on the desktop, I'll just back it.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (2, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43002819)

I use Linux because I feel it is the best Free and Open environment.

Ideologies always have a few extremist supporters. And in this case most of them congregate around slashdot. Most people wouldn't choose an OS for an ideology though.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43002973)

Most people wouldn't choose an OS for an ideology though.

I wouldn't expect them to. I'd expect them to choose it based on the benefits of the ideology. Of course, that would only be if I didn't know that propaganda works.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002859)

Perhaps the desktop will be relevant again someday. By then Linux will be ready for it.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002871)

Well, as soon as they can get over this ideological bullshit and act like professionals, then, maybe, the year of linux on the desktop might magically materialize.

Zealotry will always slow the progress of any cause.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Informative)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#43002605)

Given that Linux is running on everything from my phone to my sat-nav to (some of) my clients to (some of) my servers and just about every oddball bit of embedded hardware in my entire workplace, I don't think Linux is suffering much.

And what he's basically doing is telling MS, and MS sycophants, that he doesn't want an OS where MS has to "sign off" on any changes in the bootloaders, etc. to make sure they are "secure". It's like being told that all pensions in the world now have to be signed off by Robert Maxwell, who can revoke your ability to use yours (even if you're nothing to do with him) on a whim.

The day MS lets in a bit of code into their OS that lets Linus turn off any and all Windows machines he wants - whether on a whim or for a good reason - and that they have to run past him every time they want a change made, that's the day I'll let someone put MS-signed junk into a Linux kernel that I use.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (-1, Troll)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43002877)

Given that Linux is running on everything from my phone to my sat-nav

Anyone know what OS is on Garmin Nuvi GPSs ? Because it's the only device I have that crashes frequently.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002953)

Linus is either trolling or is seriously uninformed because UEFI isn't Microsoft's. They're just one name on a whole list of names attached to managing Intel's boot loader.

"The Unified EFI Forum or UEFI Forum (where UEFI stands for Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) is an alliance between several leading technology companies to modernize the booting process. The board of directors includes representatives from eleven "Promoter" companies: AMD, American Megatrends, Apple, Dell, HP, IBM, Insyde Software, Intel, Lenovo, Microsoft, and Phoenix Technologies."

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002609)

The "fix" seems to have included parsing PE binaries inside the linux kernel. That deserves getting shouted at. What you don't understand is that Linus doesn't care if more people adopt linux if it requires making the architecture smell bad.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002965)

That deserves getting shouted at? I think a simple civilized smackdown would have sufficed, but hey, this is Linus we are talking about.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002617)

I dunno... If you read the entire conversation in context it's not that bad and seems more like a slight fist shaking rather than explosion.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002619)

If Linus wasn't the person he was with the ideals he have Linux would have been as relevant as Minix or Haiku today.

Yes, he acts like an ass sometimes, usually when someone makes a choice that isn't viable in the long term.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Informative)

rioki (1328185) | about a year ago | (#43002741)

Sounds like that other person that is really annoying... Oh yea RMS... Annoying as hell, but free software would not be in such a good position where it is now if it was not form him.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002951)

Difference is, he's effective via persistence, Linus is effective via implementation.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002755)

Linux isn't; RedHat is. That's like praising Xerox for the success of Microsoft. Honestly, when was the last time you saw SuSe or Debian used in a professional environment? RedHat is the Linux big-hitter today, and Linus throws his weight around like he's wholly responsible for that.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43002839)

I see SuSe and debian used daily in professional environments.

RedHat is only big with a small group of Enterprises more interested in red tape and bureaucracy than getting work done. RedHat would have no product without Linus.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002935)

The Linux kernel is not beholden to any business interest. Given the various user-space shenanigans (systemd, udev) over the past year, I'm not surprised by his response.

Trying to move user space items into the kernel that are not universally beneficial, or conversely trying to manipulate kernel space in ways that break long standing POSIX functionality - without a clear consensus from the community - is asking for it.

For all his faults, Linus has managed to keep the kernel relevant for a very large array of hardware in the face of these pressures.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002643)

Someone needs to tell him that it's hard enough to get people to adopt your OS with 3 million competing distros, much less with the leadership of an egotistical ass who takes every opportunity to scream like bipolar child at anyone who tries to actually help.

Linux is a kernel. Not an OS.

The only thing Garrett was doing in this case was recognizing a problem going forward, and fixing it.

Attempting to make the Linux kernel dependent on Microsoft is exacerbating a problem.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002661)

The same could be said of you, but look on what side are you on, on the side of Red Hat and Microsoft, cocksucking along....

so you are a hero of cocksucking?

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | about a year ago | (#43002669)

This is also not the first time Linus has had a publicized explosion at someone, and it probably won't be the last, either. This really is the sort of behavior that ultimately detracts from the open source community. Consider:

* Linus' track record of explosive, public comments against people whom he has some disagreement with
* Stallman's general Communist ramblings and presentation of himself as a disheveled bum
* type "Eric S Raymond" into Google, and the first suggestion is "Racist", not CatB, not How to be a Hacker, not any of his code.

Is Torvalds right? In this case, probably. There isn't a reason to include this functionality in the base kernel. If it is useful to RedHat, then RedHat can include it in their distribution. But publicly attacking someone, especially someone working for a company which is largely responsible for making Linux "respectable" isn't doing himself, the project, or the community at large any good, any more than Ballmer throwing chairs and screaming "Developers" or the "Howard Dean Scream" helped Microsoft or Howard Dean.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43002761)

This really is the sort of behavior that ultimately detracts from the open source community.

Not calling things what they are is the kind of behavior that leads to oppression and fascism.

But publicly attacking someone, especially someone working for a company which is largely responsible for making Linux "respectable"

If their vision of making Linux respectable is to fellate Microsoft, they deserve public flaming and shaming. Fuck that fucking fuck.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (3, Insightful)

Goaway (82658) | about a year ago | (#43002851)

Linus does not explode at "people whom he has some disagreement with". He does so at kernel developers, specifically, who are doing things that he sees as harmful to the Linux kernel.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002907)

This is also not the first time Linus has had a publicized explosion at someone, and it probably won't be the last, either.

How many public messages does he type in a year? And how many become well-publicized explosions? Maybe one every six to eight months? Doesn't sound so bad to me.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002969)

This is also not the first time Linus has had a publicized explosion at someone, and it probably won't be the last, either.

Sorry, that's bullshit. Linus doesn't pull punches and he doesn't sugar-coat what he says, he doesn't change his statements to adhere to political correctness. If you can't handle that, then go find somewhere else to cry about it.

But publicly attacking someone, especially someone working for a company which is largely responsible for making Linux "respectable" isn't doing himself, the project, or the community at large any goo

Ya, actually it does do a lot of good. People who say and do idiotic things ought to be called out, publicly. This isn't fucking gradeschool, nobody has any duty to respect your delicate sensibilities. Grow a thicker skin or GTFO. And just so it doesn't cause you mental anguish when you figure it out, I'll go ahead and let you know you don't get a trophy for "participation" either.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (5, Insightful)

Severus Snape (2376318) | about a year ago | (#43002675)

He claims to love Linux, but what he really loves is himself. And every time it looks like Linux might achieve even a modicum of success, his overinflated ego is always there to ruin it.

Someone needs to tell him that it's hard enough to get people to adopt your OS with 3 million competing distros, much less with the leadership of an egotistical ass who takes every opportunity to scream like bipolar child at anyone who tries to actually help. The only thing Garrett was doing in this case was recognizing a problem going forward, and fixing it. And Torvalds tears his head off for it. He thinks everything has to be a big heroic stand--with him as hero, of course.

Well, if you read the mail conversation you'll know the majority of developers came out in agreeance with Linus and his views.on the matter. He has said he's tried being nicer, it just isn't him though. He is usual right though and when wrong accepts it. He is an extremely good maintainer regardless of peoples opinions on him.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#43002685)

And Torvalds tears his head off for it. He thinks everything has to be a big heroic stand--with him as hero, of course.

This is pretty much standard of anything, that anyone creates and believes they should have final say over anything they create whether or not it's 'open to the public' or not. Or for the new /. crowd, this is your artist thrown a drama queen fit.

Insightful? WTF? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002699)

He claims to love Linux, but what he really loves is himself...

This is an absurd troll. Linux IS Linux and he's free to do whatever he wishes in that regard. But, anyone with any understanding of the issue at all would clearly see that Linus is right. Microsoft has successfully leveraged it's monopoly status in the PC industry by implementing secure boot where they and they alone hold the keys to even BOOT a PC.

Implementing wedges or incorporating Microsoft's binaries into your code to boot your distribution is your option. But, expecting Linus to accept it into the kernel, when he has repeatedly made it clear that he will not incorporate non-free binaries, let alone this Microsoft root kit is asinine and ludicrous.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002701)

There's no ego thing going on with Linus, but i have to say he's sometimes way too rude. I don't know how in the world can you conclude something like that from this, or frankly anything Linus has said? If Linus doesn't want something, that can be done otherwise, to be included in the kernel, how is that an ego issue?

Do you even know what they are talking about here?

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43002705)

Modicum of success?
So owning the server, embedded and mobile market is not enough success?

Obvious troll is obvious.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (0)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002909)

Irrelevant in the storage market, not owning the mobile market (and android is a lot more than "linux" anyhow), and not second to MS on the desktop. So uh... yeah, modicum of success fits pretty well?

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (-1, Flamebait)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002729)

For those who want a decent free desktop without the political asshattery - there's PC-BSD.

Re:Linus Torvalds is his own worst enemy (4, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | about a year ago | (#43002743)

While Linus outbursts could make few pople nervous, I really start to hate such comments which are really aimed to get some mod points without saying anything true. But of course, everyone loves look for blame, so it works.

"He claims to love Linux, but what he really loves is himself. And every time it looks like Linux might achieve even a modicum of success, his overinflated ego is always there to ruin it."

I really hope that he loves himself, because that would mean he is healthy thinking person. That's actually requirement to survive this harsh world. If you loath yourself, then I really pitty you.

About rest of this paragraph - his outburst ruins any success, really? Either you are not fully informed or ignorant. You know what GPL means? That means that Ubuntu and Fedora can do as they want, as they release patches in public. They are not obliged to have it in mainline kernel - and neither Linus is obliged to support them. He maybe splits hair at first, but then he justifies his POV quite clearly. It's technical decision.

"Someone needs to tell him that it's hard enough to get people to adopt your OS with 3 million competing distros, much less with the leadership of an egotistical ass who takes every opportunity to scream like bipolar child at anyone who tries to actually help."

Wow, do you read lkml every day? I have done in recent past and Linus uses harsh language only in rarest cases. Also he has always been openly honest about what he thinks. It helps, because it cuts confusion down to minimum. If he doesn't like something, he says it openly. Trust me, it works. It's one of reasons why he still call the shots.

Also please cut it those cries about "3 million competing distros". First, there are maximum 4 major distros, supported by majority of open source and commercial software. There are fully standartised two packaging formats. Last I checked Windows has hundreds of different installers and packaging formats.

People don't use Linux not because of these things. They don't use it because it's not available in OEM form and they are afraid to use something different than their friends do.

Torvalds vs Ballmer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002561)

I'd love to see the two having an argument.

Re:Torvalds vs Ballmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002667)

It would certainly rise the demand for popcorn.

Re:Torvalds vs Ballmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002753)

+1 for bet on Ballmer. Whilst both of them can get pretty pumped up (monkey dance anyone?) what separates them in my opinion is that Ballmer has experience chucking chairs at people.

Re:Torvalds vs Ballmer (4, Insightful)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year ago | (#43002805)

Argument or fight?

Argument, Torvalds, hands down. Ballmer just screams loudly, he can't actually form a logical, coherent argument or come up with any witty comebacks. Torvalds is no Cicero, but he can definitely tell someone how to fuck off.

However, Ballmer seems to be more prone to physical violence. Torvalds better learn how to duck. Or parry. Otherwise it might be a short fight.

Re:Torvalds vs Ballmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002869)

Over what? What possible topic could they both get fired up about? The price of coffee? The weather? Thrust to weight ratios of Herman Miller products? BitCoin backed US currency?

Any topic that pisses off one of them would almost certainly seem to the other to be the clearest, most common sense idea ever.

What an unprofessional baby (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002571)

Here in real life, you don't last long on the job if you treat your colleagues like that.

The only one in a dick sucking contest is Linus, he's sucked so much dicks he's lapped everyone else twice.

Re:What an unprofessional baby (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002635)

Here in real life, you don't last long on the job if you treat your colleagues like that.

Steve Jobs disagrees with you. Or he would, if he were still alive.

Re:What an unprofessional baby (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43002779)

Here in real life, you don't last long on the job if you treat your colleagues like that.

Steve Jobs disagrees with you. Or he would, if he were still alive.

Steve Balmer [theregister.co.uk] too

Re:What an unprofessional baby (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002791)

Yeah he died alone with no friends or family to tell him to get actual cancer treatment, instead of the homeopathic dumb shit "eat only fruit" diet he was doing that gave him cancer in the first place.

Re:What an unprofessional baby (1)

oztiks (921504) | about a year ago | (#43002795)

Yeah because RH could always dump the Linux kernel and go for Hurd in a heartbeat right? Hardly.

I feel for Tovalds because he made statements about how SecureBoot would pose a "limited" security advantage 6 months ago and "kind of" supported it. Now it just seems that MS is trying to take too much control. So what's next RH will go down Novel's and Nikon's route and start shilling out royalties to MS to use Linux? just give MS an excuse or better yet bend to their will and they will only tighten their grip (lets not forget MS's recent investment in Dell ...)

As much as I do like some of MS products, I hate their business tactics and manoeuvring and maybe Tovalds' emotional "outburst" is because he's seeing what used to be a simple click install process for is his OS slowly become a more challenging process only for people who vet the types of hardware they use.

Add insult to injury he now he has one of his key suppliers bend to MS's will. I think it's well placed anger but just like most anger poorly placed in it's delivery.

Can any one help... (2)

MrBandersnatch (544818) | about a year ago | (#43002587)

me to better understand the issue here?

Re:Can any one help... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002683)

The guy who wrote the Linux kernel is an entitled prat whose ego has been stroked for too many years by a horde of fanboys. Someone deigned to submit a patch that he did not care for.

Re:Can any one help... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002735)

It appears that the Ex-Red Hat dev wants to include support for Secure Boot (as ultimately controlled by Microsoft) in the Linux Kernel itself, while Linus does want to do this on ideological grounds because that would acknowledge that Microsoft has control. Linus is being a bit of a Palestinian about it.

Where should we start? (5, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about a year ago | (#43002783)

The high-level view is this: Microsoft wants to ensure that nobody can run unapproved software on their home computers. As a first step toward this nightmare, they bullied computer makers into shipping a bootloader signature system that could potentially prevent people from running GNU/Linux. Red Hat, a multibillion dollar GNU/Linux distributor, decided to play along and got a special signing key from Microsoft. Linus apparently does not want to play along (and I commend him for it).

Re:Where should we start? (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43002885)

Because Linus knows what we all do, that this will end badly for RedHat. MS will come up with a reason to break booting RedHat later. No one plays with MS and comes out ahead.

Re:Can any one help... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002827)

There are three ways of booting an OS on a store-bought UEFI-with-secure-boot machine.
1) disable secure boot. This works the same as a regular UEFI boot.

2) Sign a boot loader with microsofts key, that is almost certainly preloaded into the Secure Boot loader. The disadvantage is obviously that you are beholden to MS to sign it, with the advantage being that it will Just Work, with no need to touch the UEFi firmware for the end user.

3) Sign your boot loader with our own key, and require the end use to enter that key into UEFI Secure Boot loader. Ability to do this on x86 is a REQUIREMENT for win8 hardware certification, so you can be assured the option will be present unless the OEM commits a major fuck-up.

Linus is pissed that Red Hat want Option 2 to become the prm for Linux, rather than Option 3.

hurm? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002603)

Matthew isn't at Red Hat anymore.

Linus has always been an a-hole (1, Interesting)

rtobyr (846578) | about a year ago | (#43002611)

Remember when he criticized GNOME? That was about as professional as a judge recommending a lawyer. What about when he called the OpenBSD team a bunch of masturbating monkeys? Linus is an a-hole. This isn't news.

Re:Linus has always been an a-hole (5, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#43002663)

Now hold on, everyone criticizes GNOME, and why condemn Linus for making a perfectly valid observation about the OpenBSD team?

Re:Linus has always been an a-hole (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002841)

Maybe because Linux owes the openBSD team plenty in terms of discovery of holes in open source software, providing a secure SSH daemon, etc?

Re:Linus has always been an a-hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002933)

Well.. we have found Linus Torvalds account name on Slashdot apparently...

Re:Linus has always been an a-hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002731)

Mmm... Gnome 3... great... yes... (Not!)

Re:Linus has always been an a-hole (3, Insightful)

iapetus (24050) | about a year ago | (#43002775)

In particular it isn't news to Linus. Which is how git got its name.

Re:Linus has always been an a-hole (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43002787)

So you mean two other times he used harsh language to say a perfectly true things?

People who do dumb shit, deserve to get called on it.

ugh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002613)

Thanks for making the OSS movement look bad, Linus.

spirit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002639)

I like this Spirit. The spirit of excellence

Linus sounds exhausted with his own project. (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about a year ago | (#43002653)

Of course this is just an observation based on 2 emails, but is he normally that insanely high strung? or is there something eating at him?

I like Linus and his work. We need people like him. We need linux, but is this how Linus always behaved?

Re:Linus sounds exhausted with his own project. (5, Insightful)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about a year ago | (#43002847)

I have some friends that talk like that when they're completely calm. You can't gauge how emotional this response is based on the words alone.

Literally? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002681)

really? did he swallow a stick of dynamite or something? this is exciting news? did anyone measure the equivalent kilotons of TNT equivalent that "one Linus" is?

Oh brother (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002693)

When Linus makes a comment on something, why does he always sound like an eight year old throwing a tantrum? Looks like it would get embarrassing after a while. Yeesh!

Re:Oh brother (3, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | about a year ago | (#43002945)

When Linus makes a comment on something, why does he always sound like an eight year old throwing a tantrum? Looks like it would get embarrassing after a while. Yeesh!

Probably because, by the time we hear about an issue, the preliminary niceties and the initial mud-slinging are over and they're into the hot-tempered, name-calling phase of the debate.

so uh... (1, Interesting)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43002703)

... yeah, linus has turned into a bit of a douche in the past 20 years since I've been following linux development and running linux desktops at various points. He's always had a rather blunt and direct way of saying things, but the level of vitriol and profanity lately is just way over the top.

burned out maybe?

Linus is a ass... but... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002707)

The more I learn about the developers within the tight circle of the Linux kernel the more elite and prickish they sound. That doesn't mean they aren't talented and can do a good job it's just a different environment than one I'd ever want to work in. It's extremely hostile with many competitors (windows, apple) trying to get you to conform so they control you.

Linus is that grizzly old man in the log cabin who owns 20,000 acres of timber that the logging companies desperately want. Except he has a gun, and he never wears any pants.

Familiar Terminology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002713)

deep throating huh? sounds like Linus is a fan of facial abuse :/

Oh yeah, well what if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002715)

"Secure boot" is really spelled "d-i-c-k s-u-c-k-i-n-g c-o-n-t-e-s-t"?

I have to say (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43002739)

I admire his command of English, given that it's his second language.

Re:I have to say (1)

Barryke (772876) | about a year ago | (#43002977)

One becomes proficient at swearing after watching US movies ever week.
Over on this side of the pond, lessons English start with telling teenagers that the US swearing in action movies is not normal English.

1) There are no normal things on TV. (that'd be just boring)
2) Non-US residents mainly learn US-English by watching US Series/Movies.
Thus the way i see it, US visitors often mirror the weird reality depicted on US' tv..

Geez (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002747)

Dunno... Since when is deep throat. A bad thing?

It's I think Torvalds needs to lighten lighten up.

It's ALL good, Linux everywhere compatible with everyone and thing. Free.

It is the best way to be sure someone understands. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002751)

Face-to-face meetings carry a lot of emotional communication - body language, facial expressions...

Email - not so much.

So a simple "No that is not the way we are doing things" means a lot less in an email, than it does in person with a grimace for an expression (or body language by simulated gagging/throwing up).

So Linus has to use more direct language.

And he did say why it was the wrong thing to do.

Garret may have recognized a problem, but he doesn't recognize a solution that is already provided - which looks like a "NIH" issue (not-invented-here). This has recently been a rather bad problem for RH employees - for other examples, just look at how gnome3 is dying. Very likely, if there had been someone like Linus in charge of that project, someone willing to clearly identify stupidity when it shows, maybe things would have gone much better.

I speak for the anonymous trolls (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002817)

And I speak for all of us when I say, I'm jealous of Linus's talent, success, and natural authority, but most of all, I hate his ability to cut through bullshit and put supercilious poseurs like me in their place.

Context is everything (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002823)

As Cardinal Richeleiu is reputed to have said:

Give me six lines written by the most honest of men, and I will find something to hang him.

Take it out of context and give it an inflamatory introduction and it looks like an explosion.
Read the exchange in the original context and it reads like just another frank exchange on the LKML.

Am I the only one tired of this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002887)

Linus's prima donna and disrespectful attitude is getting really old.

Linux i like. Linus not so, after seeing a talk.. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002891)

Posting anonymous just to be sure..

Since i saw a Google Tech Talk with Linus on stage, i certainly like him less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 [youtube.com] (mostly about Git but nonetheless showcasing his persona)

Linux is great and all, but i am certainly not a fan of Linus anymore. Respect though for his incredible achievements.
He's a dick the same way Jobs was (also sharing similar strengths regarding vision), and i now realize he basically is a real life Sheldon Cooper, ego humor and everything.

Aside from being a dick.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43002927)

Aside from being a bit of a dick sometimes, I think I am totally in agreement with Linus on not wanting something like this in kernel space, let alone something from MS.

Perhaps a little more civility though, Linus ;)

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