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Is the Wii U Already Dead?

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the so-long-farewell-auf-weidersehen-goodbye dept.

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kube00 writes "The Wii U has been struggling as of late. Even Nintendo has admitted sales haven't been as high as they would like. So what went wrong? Is this just a fluke? Will the Wii U recover and bounce back? Will the PS4 and the next 360 come out the door and leave the Wii U in the dust? GoozerNation takes a look at some of the NPD's and speculates on what it all means."

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Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the world (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#43005851)

They've cruised on their name, they've went with gimmicks, they've stubbornly stuck with being the kids console, they've put only a half-hearted effort into online play, they've all-but-resigned themselves to staying in the last gen, etc. And, most woefully of all, they seem to have put little to no thought into WHERE THEY FIT IN NOW.

Methinks they need something they probably haven't had in a long time--a conclave of their board and big-wigs to ask themselves some fundamental questions about what their mission is, how they are going to accomplish it, and how they're going to compete in the modern gaming market.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (4, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#43006097)

I think actually their primary problem now, in 2013, is that their business is making games consoles. It doesn't matter whether it's cheap, has "gimmicks" (can we lay that one to rest BTW? Innovation isn't gimmickry, the DS killed the PSP, and the introduction of the Wii basically forced Microsoft to go in a new direction), or anything else. The problem is they're making games consoles. And the concept really doesn't have anywhere to go, not usefully anyway.

If I wanted something more powerful than a Wii I'd have already bought am Xbox 360. But in all honesty, what I want has changed in the last five years. We have tablets and smartphones. Our PCs are no longer hooked up to 15-19" CRTs, they have 1080p 25" widescreens. Oh, and the PCs have Steam on them.

Given these entertainment options, the attractiveness of a locked down box you plug into the living room TV, requiring the consent of the entire household to do so, to play games is really going out of the window.

Sony and Microsoft need to take note, because realistically, unless their next game consoles are significantly different from the box-with-controllers-and-some-way-to-insert-a-game-and-a-TV-out model, they'll flop too.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43006345)

It doesn't help that Nintendo apparently can't comprehend software to save their miserable lives. They can make games; but their grasp of the non-game software components is tragicomedic even compared to Sony, and that's saying something.

DRM is always user-hostile; but Nintendo's is just hilarious(even as their consoles are markedly easier to crack than Sony's or Microsoft's). Downloaded material is permanently locked to the hardware it was downloaded on. Even now that the Wii U has 'Nintendo network accounts' those are locked to the device they were created on. There is a transfer process for certain sorts of material; but it's the most ass-backwards and error-prone exercise one can imagine. Even better, the 'virtual' Wii within the Wii U, for backwards compatibility, counts as a separate device and is almost entirely non-integrated. It's just terrible at every step.

Sony's 'well, we could download updates in the background; but instead we'll make you watch' also isn't a masterpiece, and Microsoft is clearly sucking at the ad-money teat a bit too much in laying out their atrocious 'dashboard'; but that's at least evil rather than cluelessness.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006743)

Steam counterbalances the lack of physical ownership with genuinely useful services such as 24/7 access to your entire game library on any PC in the world. Sony and Microsoft clumsily follow, with confusing restrictions about 'registered devices' and 'deactivation codes'. Nintendo just piles on to the 'bad' side by restricting your purchases to a single device.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (3, Interesting)

oGMo (379) | about a year ago | (#43006729)

has "gimmicks" (can we lay that one to rest BTW? Innovation isn't gimmickry, the DS killed the PSP, and the introduction of the Wii basically forced Microsoft to go in a new direction)

No, because it's still Nintendo's primary problem. The DS didn't kill the PSP. The PSP was the first successful non-Nintendo gaming handheld, and by "successful" I mean "sold substantially in the popular market", "had a lot of games", and "has a successor". That's pretty successful. The PSP may not have beat the DS in sales figures, but that's still a pretty huge win given the wasteland of other failed non-Nintendo handhelds.

Innovation isn't gimmickry, but the Wii was gimmickry. It did most certainly not force Microsoft to do anything. Sure, they came out with the Kinect. The number of good games using it? Zero. Sure, it's found a lot of non-gaming use, but that's irrelevant. It's irrelevant to gaming. Nintendo only finally at the end of the Wii's lifecycle managed to show motion controls could work ... but only as well as a regular controller at best. (Worse, Zelda Skyward Sword triggers my RSI too fast to be playable.)

Sony and Microsoft need to take note, because realistically, unless their next game consoles are significantly different from the box-with-controllers-and-some-way-to-insert-a-game-and-a-TV-out model, they'll flop too.

For the casual market, maybe something like Ouya is sufficient. Even my Roku XS plays Angry Birds. But this is buying the Nintendo Lie: that everyone is a casual gamer. If anything, fewer people are becoming casual gamers, since so many people are growing up with video games. It's no longer just for nerds.

In the end, Microsoft and Sony only need to do one thing: make sure their consoles have games that Nintendo doesn't, or even just that they play games better than Nintendo. Given the last three generations of Nintendo consoles (Wii, Cube, N64), this is hardly a stretch.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (0, Troll)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#43006837)

The PSP didn't sell well. Sony has had to re-invent it a number of times because it was a flop. "Has a successor?" - no, Sony has tried multiple times to enter the market, and largely failed.

I don't even know what the latest gen PSP looks like. I haven't seen it in any stores. Oh, I'm sure it's in some of the stores I've been to, but certainly the store selling it knows it's not worth promoting. The 3DS, by comparison, seems to be pretty much everywhere.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (2)

trdrstv (986999) | about a year ago | (#43006733)

a locked down box you plug into the living room TV, requiring the consent of the entire household to do so, to play games is really going out of the window.

I think that's why they went with the gamepad and the second screen option. Gabe from Penny arcade said he'll buy every game that supports that for Wii U over anything else because he doesn't have to stop playing if the family takes over the main TV... he can stream it to the gamepad and keep going.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (3, Interesting)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year ago | (#43006109)

Why is the Wii considered a kids console? Every adult I know has and plays a Wii. The motion controller was much more than a gimmick, it was a functional, useful device for input.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006263)

Because a lot of family-friendly and all-ages content shows up on the Wii, and as every teenager will tell you, 'all-ages' and 'family-friendly' is just code for 'games for babies'

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006363)

That's part of it. But it's only expressed that way because of a lack of titles that appeal to adults (and older teenagers).

They have some, it's just few and far between. I tried to be a grown up on the original Wii, there was about 1 title per year worth playing, maybe 2. And often it was desperation (the 007 game, yea, that would have been better on an Xbox, I regret buying it on Wii now that I have an Xbox).

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006381)

Which is why they also appeal to older, never owned a gaming console, generations looking for "That thing that lets you bowl at home..."

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (1)

MitchDev (2526834) | about a year ago | (#43006581)

Graphics quality come into it too. I've noticed Wii graphics aren't as good as X360/PS3. Look at the recent Ghostbusters video game on the X360 or P3 vs. the Wii...

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43006307)

Because the 16-22 year old male can't see any reason for games that don't pander to him. If it does not have pointless levels of violence and lots of bewbs they are not interested.

Sure violence and sex can be fun in a game, but for them that is all there is. Games that are just fun are not on their radar. Worse yet are games that a child or family could enjoy because they are trying to prove to the world they are Real Men, which is why they behave like children.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006823)

huhfourerrfourerr, you seem pretty miserable. Your posts reflect this. It's really boring.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (3, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | about a year ago | (#43006457)

Why is the Wii considered a kids console?

Because that's the easiest cheapshot for Under30-something PS3 fanboys to articulate.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006645)

Well, most adults I know have a Wii, but hardly any of them played it after the first few months they bought it.

Biased Just a Little? (3, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43006153)

They've cruised on their name

I'm sorry, which console maker hasn't and how do you determine who is "cruising" and who isn't? Playstation to Playstation 4? That's not cruising on their name? They've been in the game a lot longer than Microsoft or Sony ... so what?

they've went with gimmicks

I know, right. It's like those tired rhythm music games were only available on the Wii. Oh, and Sony and Microsoft keep leveraging innovative titles like Call of Duty 18 and Battlefield 5 and Medal of Honor: Get On 'Er.

they've stubbornly stuck with being the kids console

Right and if they hadn't, everyone would be criticizing them for not sticking to their bread and butter. It's cool you don't like those games but that's a market share and equals $$$.

they've all-but-resigned themselves to staying in the last gen, etc.

By releasing the Wii U a year before the XBox 720 and PS4? I don't get it. I think they're trying to offset themselves by a year and give consumers some breathing room to enjoy all consoles instead of making a choice. Sure, something released a year later better have good specs but can you point out the publishers that claim Nintendo just lacks the hardcore power for their titles? I haven't heard a lot of complaints and frankly, I own a Wii, Xbox 360 and a PS3 ... graphics are rarely a factor for me in which title I play. I value game play and Nintendo pays more attention to this than the rehashed shit I find on the other two.

And, most woefully of all, they seem to have put little to no thought into WHERE THEY FIT IN NOW.

I get it, you like first person shooters. Enjoy. I like how you totally overlooked the obvious to me: Nintendo games are games that I play when my friends come over and want to drink and have fun. The wiimotes are fun in person and the Kinect is actually trying to break into this market. You are explaining this from one of the most narrow and convoluted false narratives I've come across.

You're attacking Nintendo for owning their market share while the other two consoles do exactly the same thing. Hell, it's arguable that Sony and Microsoft are gutting each other by fighting over the same user base while Nintendo chugs along owning one. How are those XBox 360 and PS3 sales? Through the roof right now?

Re:Biased Just a Little? (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#43006325)

If Nintendo is making all the right moves (as you seem to contend), why has their stock been dropping steadily for the last 5 years (from a high of over $72 to $12 now)? Obviously SOMEONE thinks they're screwing up, and it ain't just me. Maybe it has something to do with headlines like this [joystiq.com] and this [joystiq.com] ?

Face it, they're NOT on the right path right now.

Give It Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006561)

If Nintendo is making all the right moves (as you seem to contend), why has their stock been dropping steadily for the last 5 years (from a high of over $72 to $12 now)? Obviously SOMEONE thinks they're screwing up, and it ain't just me. Maybe it has something to do with headlines like this [joystiq.com] and this [joystiq.com] ?

Face it, they're NOT on the right path right now.

Um, wait wait wait, your argument had nothing to do with stock price, you were criticizing their console and now all you have to show you're right are stock numbers? Maybe Nintendo's just a shitshow internally? No matter how good your console is, it doesn't change how horrible management can be. Strange, why didn't you compare that to Microsoft's entertainment division numbers? Or Sony's playstation division numbers? Oh right, because those divisions are also doing terribly and it doesn't conform to your narrative.

Oh, you want a FUD headline? Well SOMEBODY thinks XBox is the worst console [slashdot.org] !

Re:Biased Just a Little? (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year ago | (#43006629)

Because smartphones cut a considerable part of the mobile market where they previously dominated among other things, and because consoles as a whole had diminishing sells through the last years.

Answer His Questions! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006647)

If Nintendo is making all the right moves (as you seem to contend), why has their stock been dropping steadily for the last 5 years (from a high of over $72 to $12 now)? Obviously SOMEONE thinks they're screwing up, and it ain't just me. Maybe it has something to do with headlines like this [joystiq.com] and this [joystiq.com] ?

Face it, they're NOT on the right path right now.

Way to not answer to a single one of the GP's counterpoints to your initial points. Well done. You are a debate master ... as long as it's a political debate I guess.

Re:Biased Just a Little? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006727)

If Nintendo is making all the right moves (as you seem to contend)

Where was that said, exactly? He said he thinks the sales will continue to flag until the holiday season. This is business. Sometimes there are no "right moves" only "less wrong moves."

Re:Biased Just a Little? (2)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#43006771)

Not that I'm saying you're wrong that Nintendo is taking the wrong path, but Sony Entertainments stock dropped from over $50 five years ago to just over $13, it was as low as $9 at one point and Microsofts, as far as I know, doesn't separate their XBox/games division from the rest of the company and their about the same or down a couple of bucks from five years ago.

I don't think stocks are really a great way to determine how one console company is doing compared to another. Nintendo pretty much only makes consoles where Sony groups consoles in with all their other entertainment products, and Microsoft goes even further by not differentiation between any of their divisions. So people investing in a company that sells TVs and cameras are going to effect Sony's stock price and people investing in office products, operating systems and hardware will offset Microsoft's.

I think consoles in general are in a bad position at the moment. I think a lot of people are tired of being nickle and dimed combined with how poorly all the companies have been treating their customers lately.

Re:Biased Just a Little? (2)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about a year ago | (#43006901)

graphics are rarely a factor for me in which title I play.

Graphics aren't, but I admit that resolution is. We have our 480p Wii feeding into a 720p TV via component cables (which are abundantly sufficient to carry the Wii's low-res graphics in near-perfect detail), and it looks expectedly awful and blurry. I don't care about trillions of polygons or infinite FPS, but it'd be nice to run it at my TV's native resolution. I can imagine how it'd look on a newer 1280 line display, and my mental image isn't pretty.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006377)

The Wii had a unique controller, a low price, and casual games. People didn't buy the Wii for its graphical power. In 2013, the Wii U is somewhat more powerful than the 360 and PS3, but not by much, and it does not bring a new interface. What is unique about the Wii U, to justify its purchase over the 360, or an original Wii, or an iPad with regard to casual gaming? I don't think it does. I do think the Wii U will be getting PS3 and 360 ports, and that will justify its existence.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#43006673)

Hi, parent here.

I can buy a Wii for a lower price than the XBox or PS. I'm 8 years from angsty teenagers, so I don't have to deal with the desire for mature rated games for a long time. The Wii games are more fun for the tipsy adults when we have friends over.

The Wii U doesn't appeal to me because it looks more complicated and it costs more than twice as much. Talk to me when it is $150. I'd also prefer it didn't have big easy-to-break-looking, drain-its-batteries-all-the-time controller tv things.

Re:Nintendo needs to rethink its place in the worl (1)

Lavithas (1549675) | about a year ago | (#43006783)

First of all, the Wii was a not a kids console it was a family oriented console. The Wii U , on the other hand, is not - have you even looked at it's library?
Darksiders 2, Mass effect 3, Tekken Tag Tournament 2; just to name a few examples that are not kid games and they exist for the Wii U.

The problem the Wii U has is that there are barely any games for the system, those that exist are mostly ports and because of that people don't want to buy the Wii U since they already own these games. In result developers don't want to make games for the Wii U because it sells too poorly. It's a catch 22.

Nintendo needs to publish a few games on their own to encourage gamers to buy the system so third party developers will make games for it. Bayonetta 2 will most likely help in selling Wii U's which is a step in the right direction for them but it will take a while until it gets released.

It is just too expensive (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43005869)

I would have bought one already if it was a little cheaper. Nintendo stuff is supposed to be cheap and cheerful. $349 is too much, and the $299 version is too crippled to justify even building much less buying.

Drop $50 and I will take one today.

Re:It is just too expensive (1)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43006267)

Good point. I thought the Wii launched in about the same price range, but looks like it was actually $249, which is an inflation-adjusted $282. So the Wii U is priced about 20% higher in real terms.

Re:It is just too expensive (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43006333)

If the $349 version was $249 I would already have one, even $282 would have been fine.

I almost bought the $299 version until I realized that would be a mistake.

Why they can't just let me upgrade using standard internal hard drives like the PS3, I don't understand.

Re:It is just too expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006549)

You can upgrade using standard external hard drives, I understand.

Re:It is just too expensive (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43006615)

That will look just great in the living room!
Plus it will likely be over USB or something else slow as molasses.

Re:It is just too expensive (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about a year ago | (#43006767)

USB 2.0 and supports sizes up to 2 TB. As for "looks great" well that's why the USB ports are in the back of the machine...

Not Even Close (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43005879)

No, I don't think it's even close to dead. I want one but I don't have to have one because titles are still coming out on the Wii. It is my opinion that Nintendo thrives on being the cheapest option. Yes, I know that sounds stupid. But I feel like in every console war the Nintendo option is always at least a little cheaper than the Sony or Microsoft options. Sure, a lot of console makers lose money on consoles and make it up on publishing licenses but Nintendo still comes out with a lower price.

But in order for that strategy to work, there has to be a comparison. The Wii U came out at a time when it seemed like the console wars were over -- or at least dormant. I think the market and the makers benefit from a three way tie because everyone wants a new console. But when it was just the Wii U the titles weren't that compelling and the hardware was, well, it was Nintendo hardware.

I predict the Wii U will have flagging sales just like their handheld consoles that come out with no competitor. And then next Christmas when the XBox 720 and PS4 launch, parents will walk into a big box store and little Tommy will want that new $500 PS4 bundle but their eye will catch the Wii U for $175 or $200 and they'll think ... "F it, I'll get him this with a couple games and an extra controller." The kid will initially be unhappy but learn to love it.

Or they could just release an exclusive Zelda title on it ... I guess I'd be forced to buy it then.

Anyone have any guesses as to what new feature the Sony or Microsoft offerings could come up with to lockout the Wii U? I mean, there's no new disc standard or input device idea that I'm missing, is there? That'd be the only case where the Wii U would be in trouble -- if there was some new feature X like VR goggles that a consumer just had to have at all costs.

Re:Not Even Close (1)

djdanlib (732853) | about a year ago | (#43006049)

The next Zelda title is coming out in December and it's a re-release of Wind Waker, a *Gamecube* game. They really dropped the ball on getting 1st party titles out there.

I have a few ideas, but my favorite one is: Put a Tetris game on there that I can play from another room on the controller. I'd buy that. That's what sold a lot of Game Boys, remember?

Re:Not Even Close (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006181)

Yea, but that was 1989. This is 2013 and we have 100s of Tetris apps in the store for your iOS/Android phone/tablet.

Re:Not Even Close (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006859)

They are working on two Zelda games, one of which is the HD remake of Wind Waker. Great game and all, and I would want it, but I am not willing to give full price for it. $40 is my price point. The other Zelda game is a new one. Nintendo is still making all their usual games for each console, but I haven't heard anything about Metroid sadly.

The game that made the Wii U for me, and likely others still isn't out yet. In about three weeks Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate will be released, and that is the game I have been waiting for. Sadly they are getting Monster Hunter 4 overseas soon, but that is standard for the series. It is their first Blockbuster game for the system.

Nintendo is putting more effort into getting more exclusives this time around and improving their on-line presence with their systems, such as Bayonetta and the Miiverse. Ubisoft's U-Play offers an achievement system, if anyone cares about that though is a different matter. Their plan has not even been in action for half a year so it hasn't played out yet.

I do think that offering a lower tiered harddrive option is a waste with so much already used by the system, but it does support external USB hard drives so space isn't too much of an issue. If anyone can complain about "Nintendo hardware" I can at least say they do not red-ring or bite off more than they can chew. They are selling the Wii U at a loss, but they make it back with one purchase of a console game, unlike the Wii which made a profit on each console sold. I do miss the Gamecube support loss though.

Re:Not Even Close (4, Informative)

dzym (544085) | about a year ago | (#43006155)

It seems like the next generation MS and Sony consoles essentially run high-end commodity PC x86(-64) hardware with Blu-Ray drives and huge gobs of system and video memory (8GB combined GDDR5 in the case of PS4). No more Cell, powerpc, whatever have you and horrible graphics memory limitations (like 256MB, wtf).

So yeah, porting for those and PC will be relatively painless while the Wii U is stuck with Xbox 360 launch specs.

Nintendo has missed the boat.

Re:Not Even Close (1)

dzym (544085) | about a year ago | (#43006189)

Furthermore, the launch slate of games for Nintendo is terrible again, as usual, and this year there will be like 3 Wii U titles or something? And the next Zelda release is yet another port/remake?

Re:Not Even Close (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006455)

Steam games are going to be freeking awesome... at least we will not see games 2-3 years down the road... :) If the machines are basically x86. We are going to see a ton of shovelware this gen.

Re:Not Even Close (2)

Hatta (162192) | about a year ago | (#43006201)

Nintendo hasn't made a good case that the Wii U was necessary. For the casual gamers that made the Wii a hit, the Wii is still good enough for anything they want to do. Super Mario Galaxy III would work just as well on the Wii as SMG-I did. For those of us who want games with depth, we're still better off with a 360, PS3, or PC than a Wii-U. Does the Wii-U have anything in the works that could compete with the recent X-com? The upcoming Wasteland 2?

Re:Not Even Close (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006285)

Memory and CPU will lock the Wii U out of the next-gen third party games, making it again completely dependent on Nintendo when the PS3 and Xbox 360 are on their way out.
That seems to be pretty crucial.
In the last gen, the installed base was too big to ignore for third , but if it doesn't reach critical mass soon, it won't be worth the effort to make a special Wii U version.

Re:Not Even Close (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006529)

Anyone have any guesses as to what new feature the Sony or Microsoft offerings could come up with to lockout the Wii U?

Developer support.

Since both Sony and Microsoft are banking on x86 system that will probably be similar in spec they're focusing on making it easy to make games on a PC and push them to both platforms. The Wii U is far behind in terms of spec so will very likely not get ports of major releases unless somehow lightning strikes twice and tons of people buy them, and considering current sales, not going to happen.

And its not just the big guys, Sony has gone out of its way to court indie devs for the PS4 and while Microsofts indie relation have been rocky they still have done far more the Nintendo, which is to say almost nothing.

Re:Not Even Close (1)

jonesy16 (595988) | about a year ago | (#43006853)

One of the problems that the Wii U faces right now is that it's not the cheapest option. I'm sure Nintendo would like it to be, but it's not. For less money, you can get an XBox 360 or PS3, and while they sure are old at this point, they still have tons of life left in them. We'll be seeing new releases on those consoles for many more years to come. In addition to that, you get blu-ray (ps3) or dvd (xbox) player, netflix, amazon, vudu, last.fm (xbox), hbo (xbox), Syfy (xbox), VEVO (xbox), Youtube, ESPN (xbox), Hulu, the list goes on. So what is the Wii U bringing to the table, for extra money and a smaller game selection, that will drive buyers to pick one up.

If you ask me, where Nintendo dropped the ball was in their Network/Internet multiplayer implementation. It was a CHORE to try and play a game with a friend on the Wii (what's your ump-teen digit numerical user id?). They had the elements in place including a cool blue glow on the console to let you know you received a message, but it was nothing compared to the Xbox Live / PSN service. I don't know enough about the Wii U to know how or if they've addressed it, but it's another hurdle they face since their competition is now entrenched with tens of millions of consoles out there with connected users accustomed to playing games with one another. You have to convince them that they, and their friends, need to buy one to continue their co-op and competitive gaming quests with one another, and I don't think Nintendo can pull that off.

Microsoft? (5, Interesting)

colinrichardday (768814) | about a year ago | (#43005895)

Why is this story given the Microsoft icon?

Re:Microsoft? (4, Funny)

dstyle5 (702493) | about a year ago | (#43006255)

The trolls and therefore page hits would increase with the Microsoft logo instead of the Nintendo logo.

Achievement Unlocked!

Re:Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006421)

The new bosses want to see a minimum two /. stories a day on Microsoft. So Linus yelling at the Red Hat devs was one, this is the other.

Lack of games... (3, Insightful)

ZiakII (829432) | about a year ago | (#43005899)

Other then the new Super Mario Bros Game. I literally have no use for my Wii U at the moment. Once the new Nintendo franchise games start rolling out I would expect to see quite a rise in sales again.

Re:Lack of games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006079)

I came to say the exact same thing. I know from the last one that New SMB 2, while it will be fun, isn't something I'm going to log a shitload of hours on.

Once the Zeldas, Metroids, Smash Bros', DKs, Pokemons, Starfoxes, Pikmins (and etc, etc) start landing, it'll take off.

It probably won't be the #1 console, maybe not by a long shot, but like always, Nintendo's first party titles will keep it afloat, and Sony and Microsoft will continue to mimic their innovations.

We can also expect a price drop once PS4 and XB720 are out.

PS4 already has a touchpad in the controller, which looks to have been stapled in at the last minute.

Re:Lack of games... (2)

Luthair (847766) | about a year ago | (#43006275)

This is pretty much it, while not hugely expensive the device isn't cheap and the only reason anyone buys a Nintendo console is for Mario & Zelda.

Re:Lack of games... (1)

JWW (79176) | about a year ago | (#43006577)

I agree. The Super Mario Brothers game on the Wii U is great, and.... theres not much else out there. Nintendoland got boring after a few weeks.

The Wii U however is a great Netflix device (no extra charges like the xbox), and would be an awesome youtube viewing device if the interface weren't staggeringly bad.

The browser's ok too.

But here's the real rub. We're still using our old Wii because we'll be damned to move our stuff over "once and only once" to the Wii U. What a load of horsecrap. We use the Wii U to play exactly none of our old Wii games. The migration path is openly hostile to the customer. Shame on Nintendo for that one!

Re:Lack of games... (1)

darkshot117 (1288328) | about a year ago | (#43006653)

Exactly, I'd consider buying a Wii U if it had anything worth playing... Currently the only games they have are disappointing first party games, and third party ports from Xbox 360 and PS3 that the Wii didn't have the horsepower to run, and now Nintendo is finally getting these games years later. The upcoming new Zelda game that was vaguely announced is the only thing on the horizon that I could see saving the Wii U. They seem to be putting all their chips into the 3DS right now and are very tight lipped about what games they are making for Wii U, if any.

Re:Lack of games... (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year ago | (#43006835)

This. As an owner, I can tell you there are 2 problems:

1. No launch titles except Mario. I hear ZombiiU is good, but since I think the whole zombie thing is ridiculous, I'll never know. Seriously, my brother got us a bunch of games after finding out we were getting one, and they all suck. This could be fixed by putting out a few more great games. It also could have been fixed by making Wii games run hi-res on the WiiU, because then I might actually buy more Wii titles in the meantime, but they didn't do that. In fact, the Wii mode is such an unbelievable hack it's ridiculous.

2. The console is SLOOOOWWW. It takes forever to boot. It takes forever to go into settings. It takes forever to load a title. It takes forever to go into Wii mode. Nobody is impressed with a laggy, slow console. Maybe firmware updates could address the speed issues, but probably not enough to shake the impression. Maybe if they offloaded some of the work to the Wii processor it might help, but I think they left it such a hack so they can ditch it ASAP.

Nothing new (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43005911)

There isn't much that is revolutionary about the Wii U. Why should I upgrade?

This is nothing but blog spam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43005915)

...submitted to Slashdot by the writer of the article for a site nobody has ever heard of, and falls fall short of journalism.

I want Super Mario on my iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43005977)

I don't want a separate game console. I want Super Mario on my iPhone/iPad.
that's all

Re:I want Super Mario on my iPhone (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006039)

And I want a pony.

Re:I want Super Mario on my iPhone (1, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43006085)

So install an emulator and go for it. You might have to jailbreak, I am not sure but that sounds likely with a walled garden device.

Too expensive (2)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#43006003)

In the last generation the Wii proved dominant by simply setting a reasonable price point and being somewhat novel. Most Wii owners will admit that the machine only sees occasional use (sometimes only as a Netflix player at that) outside of major first party releases. If the WiiU "wins" this generation it won't be due to any brilliance on its part, it will be because Sony and Microsoft both made colossal blunders.

I can almost guarantee that if Microsoft releases an XBox 720 (only one SKU) for $200 that they will be the undisputed champions of this generation. Sony is clearly going for the high end again and will struggle to meet even a $300 price point. Fanboys will deride the console as not nearly as powerful as the PS4, but it won't matter because your games will still work and you'll have a lot more of them to choose from because publishers tend to flock to the most successful console.

Re:Too expensive (1)

BStroms (1875462) | about a year ago | (#43006227)

It's hard to predict what would happen if MS went with the cheap low tech Nintendo style option, but I don't think that's going to happen.

My prediction is that Sony wins this next generation handily. With the current generation, the PS3 came out a year later, at a significantly higher cost, but was still comparable in hardware specs. It was also much harder to develop for. Despite this, on average it's been outselling the 360 slightly and has nearly caught up to the 360.

In the upcoming generation, they won't have an expensive new optical format to jack up the price, and they're not letting MS get a full year's headstart on them. The prices should be close, especially since the release seems to time pretty well for the yen collapsing back to more traditional levels. And if anything, Sony may beat MS to the market. They've also built it from the ground up to be much easier to program for.

Any final analysis will depend on what MS has to show off, but every dynamic shift from the last generation I can see looks to favor Sony.

Re:Too expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006443)

"In the upcoming generation, they won't have an expensive new optical format to jack up the price,"

That expensive new optical format is one of the major factors that sold the PS3. A lot of people bought it because it was the only console that could play Blu-ray movies. In the upcoming generation, both Sony and Microsoft are expected to support Blu-ray it.

Re:Too expensive (1)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43006331)

I'd be surprised if the XBox 720 launches for $200. The XBox 360 launched at $300 in 2005, which is $350 if you adjust for inflation. Can they really afford to launch the 720 at barely more than half that?

Destined to fail (1)

randalotto (1206870) | about a year ago | (#43006023)

The console never had a chance. The Wii sold well because it was a cool party gimmick. "Hey look! We can bowl on our TV! The little avatar looks just like me! WOW!?!?11!" So Nintendo got a ton of casual gamers to buy in and had a nice little run. By the time the Wii U came out, those casual gamers' Wiis had already been gathering dust for years. They don't touch them anymore, so there's no way they're going to splurge on the new generation of hardware. The Wii and its brand of casual gaming were a passing fad. The Pogs, Tamagachis or Beanie Babies of the 'aughts. Meanwhile, the "hardcore" gamers never gave it a second thought. The graphics are underpowered, the controllers are gimicky and the game selection is terrible.

Re:Destined to fail (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43006137)

Have you tried it yet?

I wanted to hate it, but tried it in a store and now I will be buying one. It really is a cool idea and from the games I played well executed.

Re:Destined to fail (1)

laird (2705) | about a year ago | (#43006527)

I disagree - the Wii was perfectly position as a cheap, fun game machine when MS and Sony were chasing high-end gamers with expensive consoles, and Nintendo sold a ton of them, because the population of people who want to buy something cheap to entertain their kids is very large.

The problem Nintendo has now is that the Xbox has dropped in price, so there's less room for the Wii to be significantly cheaper. So now they're letting the Wii drop in price, and going up-market with the Wii U. They've got a year until MS and Sony launch their next generation boxes.

The other problem that Nintendo has is that while the Wii might be an amazing machine, the sales drones in retail don't know anything about it, and don't know how to sell it, so they basically sabotage it. I've been in several stores to see the Wii U, and while Nintendo bought placement of demo kiosks, so far all I've seen is demo kiosks locked into a video loop, and one actually turned off. I've seen this for other products. The sales drones don't like new, interesting products, because they take effort to understand and communicate, all they know how to do is sell commodity products based on easily explained metrics. Like TV's with screen size, or PC's with clock speed. The Wii U is weird and different, and they're scared by that. IMO, Nintendo needs to SPIF the sales drones so that they're broken out of their stupor by greed. Either that or run their own retail outlets. like Apple did, but that's a pretty expensive proposition. Admittedly the Nintendo World Store in NYC is great fun, but there's only one of them.

Gamestop is a bit better, but they staff still has no training about the Wii U, and they can't answer any questions.

So if the Wii U really is amazing, Nintendo is going to have to do some work to get that info out past the "wall of stupid".

What's up with the controller? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006025)

Seriously, what a piece of shit!!
The wiimote plus is a thing of beauty. All you needed was to make that mother more accurate...perhaps find a way to get it working without the sensor bar altogether and make some of the software available under homebrew fully available without modding. The Wii is an awesome media player, except that it can't handle high res nor can it handle h264 unless it's really low res.
The games on the Wii were social, they were casual, and so they weren't limited to geeks playing them.
Nintendo lost it's way with the U....it's just not appealing to any one group.

Confusion (4, Insightful)

Thyamine (531612) | about a year ago | (#43006027)

I've had Nintendo consoles since the original. I've also had XBoxes and the PS3. The Wii U actually confused me when it came out because it seemed more like it was a new handheld/portable. Not the new console and Wii replacement. I don't know if it was my complete lack of caring towards it, or their poor marketing. On the other hand I read all about the PS4 release and have been pondering the new XBox.

I feel like Nintendo just wasn't on the ball with this generation of consoles.

Re:Confusion (2)

darkshot117 (1288328) | about a year ago | (#43006773)

Yes I have a friend who was convinced the Wii U was a tablet upgrade for the existing Wii, he didn't even realize it was a new console. Their problem is not marketing the CONSOLE itself, instead they focused way too much on the gimmicky tablet controller. People aren't even aware that the Wii U is running on much better hardware and the games can actually run higher than 480p now.

HD transition is rough. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006065)

Nintendo, like a lot of other console manufacturers, seems to have had trouble transitioning to HD, and this has resulted in a lot of key games (like Pikmin 3) being delayed.

Re:HD transition is rough. (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year ago | (#43006761)

What's so hard about "transitioning to HD"? PC games never had a problem transititioning from 640x480 to 1024x768.

In-Store-Demo (3, Interesting)

dmomo (256005) | about a year ago | (#43006071)

The system on demo at Best Buy just didn't do it for me. Why they decided to make a simple (if beautiful) side-scroller the only playable demo (the rest are just videos) is beyond me, when the title that supposedly comes with the system is meant to showcase the possibilities.

I was perplexed as to why they didn't put a game on there that really showed what the machine brings to gaming. When the first Wii came out, people were eagerly waiting in line for a turn to roll a bowling ball or play some tennis. There was often a small group cheering on whoever was currently playing.

It's almost as if they are intentionally not enticing me to buy the Wii U.

No games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006075)

I think that the answer to this should be pretty obvious, the two main things holding back the Wii U are consumer confusion and lack of compelling titles.

The Wii U is too similar in name, function, and form to the Wii. Lots of people just assume that it's an add-on to the Wii, not a whole new system.

Also, there just aren't enough games for it. Of all the launch titles, only, what, four or so are worth playing (including a Mario Game, article writer)? Sure it plays Wii games, too, but I'm not going to drop $300-$350 on a console that I'll mostly use to play Wii games on until the software library fills out a little bit, because I still have my Wii for that. There is just no compelling reason for me to upgrade until there's more of an ecosystem out there for it.

The answer is in the name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006107)

The Wii U is probably going to become the new generation's Wii. It will have some awesome games, certainly. And of course there's always the Nintendo staples that will draw in sales. But let's look at what's happening right now.

Every console tends to have a relatively weak first year where there is a drought of titles, and devs are still getting comfortable with the system. Ever since at least the N64, Nintendo has had weak launches. And let's look at the games. Outside of a few Wii U exclusives like the new Mario game, much of the current library consists of inferior ports from the PS3/360 (Batman, AC 3, ME 3, etc.)

If the Wii U ports aren't keeping up with the PS3/360, then it will probably be left in the dust completely once the PS4/Durango release. But it's not the end of the world. Nintendo has sort of carved out its own niche to work in. Most hardcore gamers won't be content with a Nintendo console as their only console for a generation, but they'll still miss out on plenty of gems if they pass on picking up a Wii U at some point as a secondary console.

Meh. (1)

wandazulu (265281) | about a year ago | (#43006145)

My family and I considered getting one for Xmas, but as others and TFA points out, there weren't any games we were interested in. I appreciate that Nintendo always seems to make Zelda and Metroid games "right", but any guesses as to when there will be a Wii U Zelda? Also, didn't they say they were rebooting Zelda, so that makes more more willing to hold off.

Heck, I (might) get it for Mario Kart, but no, gotta wait for that too. Maybe when Zelda and Mario Kart is available I'd get a used Wii U, as I'm not sure I'd care enough to even splurge for a new one; the kids have already pretty much moved on to other things (especially LBP on the PS3) in addition to various iOS games. Geez, they're not even teenagers and they already see Nintendo games as "retro".

The controller is weird (1)

TyFoN (12980) | about a year ago | (#43006147)

Maybe it's just me (and I know it supports the old wii-motes), but I think the big controller is too weird and too big.
I'm looking forward to ouya console or the steam console.

motion controllers suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006157)

1) motion controllers suck
2) motion controllers suck
3) Wii lost the adult market with a lack of adult games

Re:motion controllers suck (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43006385)

3) I think you mean they lost the manchild market with games for everyone including adults.

Haven't even seen one (3, Insightful)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about a year ago | (#43006177)

I haven't even seen one in any store that I have been in; or if I did I had no idea.

The first Wii with all its movement and potential for interaction had me (and my kids) drooling for one when they came out. But I don't think it has been on in 2013 and only a few times in 2012. No game has made me want to use it and none of my friends have said, "Hey have you seen this Wii game X?" Nor have my kids have not asked for any Wii games. I have no idea about what the Wii U and know noone who does know what it can do but I doubt it can be that interesting as I haven't read anything about any hackers (people doing cool things not the thieves) doing anything with it like people were with the WiiMotes when they first came out.

So did Nintendo make a crappy console or did they fail to market a good console? The answer is one or both of those options.

Personally I think that where Nintendo failed was that their first Wii fit into a market for fun simple games. So people didn't complain about the low specs. But now smart phones and tablets have eaten the market for fun simple games. Thus if you are going to make a console the lesson seems to be that you'd better make it nearly a super computer.

Horrible marketing (2)

aahpandasrun (948239) | about a year ago | (#43006277)

Horrible marketing. It made it seem like it was an add on for the Wii instead off a whole new system. Talk about the new features!

Re:Horrible marketing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006563)

This is correct. They need to talk about being able to switch to just playing off the controller if you need to use the tv for something else. I bought the wii-u immediately after launch, bought two games (mario and scribblenauts) and then never played anything but the disc that came with it, its sat on the shelf almost 3 months. The other day I decided me and my wife had been watching too much tv so I fired up scribblenauts. Once she found out she could continue to play from the remote only when our son wanted to watch Super Why while eating lunch - she was truely impressed. It let her have some downtime when he was occupied which made the $500+ I had sunk into the Wii-U + games + wiimotion controllers seem like an excellent purchase.

I'm sure many a fight would have been averted over the years between me and my brothers when someone wanted to watch a sporting event while the other was really deep into playing an rpg.

Market it for how it makes life easier and better for moms.

Who is the market? (4, Insightful)

localman57 (1340533) | about a year ago | (#43006281)

Nintendo doesn't seem to have a good answer for "who is the market for this device?" It's not hardcore gamers. And the casual gamers that made the Wii a success have moved on to iPads and smart phones.

Nintendo needs to go somewhere that their competiors are not. In my opinion, they should be working with the Occulus Rift people to develop a box which can be worn as a backpack, which ties into the goggles. The VR Boy 2... They could concede lower quality graphics, but very, very low latency input and output to make the most of the VR hardware and minimize motion sickness effects. They already know a lot about building appropriate controllers. If this was well done, they could make the XBox and Playstation seem totally out of date. The way games used to be played, where you looked at the virtual world through a glowing rectangle with a plastic strip around it.

The cheese has moved (4, Insightful)

mea_culpa (145339) | about a year ago | (#43006313)

and Nintendo is seemingly unaware.

Every kid I know want's either a smartphone or tablet. From my observation the only people playing consoles anymore are teenagers and adults that grew up with consoles many of which are increasingly shifting their attention to mobile. The younger kids have ditched their DSi for iTouches over the last two years and are playing casual and social games. When I visit family I am bombarded by nephews and nieces that want to play my iPad.

Nintendo is trying with a tablet but doing it horribly wrong. Instead of focusing on their hardware they need to focus on their software on established mobile hardware and ecosystems.

Every year more mobile devices activate than all consoles sold combined. Mobile devices also iterate with a much higher frequency. Most modern mobile devices are fully capable of rendering any Nintendo title if adapted for it.

My prediction is none of the new consoles will sell as well as the prior version and all will likely flop. They will fail for the reason that they focus on a living room that has become mostly vacant.

Yes, it is dead. (1)

Cammi (1956130) | about a year ago | (#43006321)

There is literally 5 games for it, and that was launch games. Of those, 2 were "party" games and they rest were ... meh.

The Target Wii U market is happy (2)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year ago | (#43006335)

The Target Wii U market is happy with their current Wiis. That's all there is to it. They've got enough games to last a long while. Unless/Until Nintendo sends a kill message to current Wiis, casual gamers won't trade up. And if Nintendo does send a kill message to current Wiis, casual gamers aren't crack heads who will run out and buy a Wii U. They'll go buy something without a kill switch like a jump-rope or hula-hoop.

Harder to market (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006355)

The Wii U is great, but the trouble is, it's hard to get across what makes it so good in 30 seconds.
With the Wii, everyone saw the Wiimote and instantly saw that it worked as a tennis racquet, a gun, etc. Very little explanation needed.

I hope it does well (3, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year ago | (#43006359)

The Wii U is the only console that isn't pegged on selling the latest sequel to the newest FPS. In other words, it is the only console that has titles that I care about. Between the PS4 and X720 there really are very few truly exclusive titles as those exclusive titles are so similar to non-exclusive titles that they don't matter.

People will rip on the Wii U for being insufficient in resolution or frame rate, but those are mostly people who want to buy Halo 27 and CoD 12 - Nintendo hasn't worried about those people for a long, long time.

Re:I hope it does well (2)

jonesy16 (595988) | about a year ago | (#43006609)

No, Nintendo doesn't care about people who want to buy Halo 27 or CoD 12, they're more interested in the people that want Mario 33, or Mario Kart 18, or Paperboy ... But, pray tell, of the 10 Wii U exclusive titles out right now, which ones should the hypothetical Wii U purchaser be looking at?

Re:I hope it does well (1)

unapersson (38207) | about a year ago | (#43006849)

You say this, but I never really saw anything like Journey, Flower or Unfinished Swan on the Wii. They've always seemed happier creating lots of versions of their classic line-up, and for a lot of people that seems enough.

We can hope (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006375)

Maybe the slow sales are because kids are finally going back outside and getting some fresh air and exerciser.

Yup (1)

Gendo420 (656068) | about a year ago | (#43006401)

The Wii U is dead, dead as Steve Jobs

Fool me once... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006427)

I just don't think the perfect storm of the Wii can be reproduced. The first Wii had all the same problems the Wii U has (bad/last-gen graphics, few 3rd party titles, overpriced, etc), however, with the original Wii-mote they were able to introduce a new form of gameplay that was compelling enough to make it a mainstream hit.

This time around they've got 2 things going against them, 1: The Wii U pad is not nearly as interesting nor novel as the Wii-mote was. 2: Now most people are now aware that if you buy a Nintendo system there will be very few games for it beyond Nintendo's own first party ones (even though hardcore gamers have known this since N64 days).

"Remain calm, all is well!" (2)

Not-a-Neg (743469) | about a year ago | (#43006439)

You young'ns fail to remember what happened with the Gamecube: decent launch followed by a drought of games in Jan/Feb, in fact I seem to recall the Gamecube drought lasting through April. The Wii U has had no new games, of signifigance, released since its launch. Next month brings Lego City Undercover on 3/18 and Monster Hunter the day after. It's nothing more than the usual post-launch drought for any console.

Personally, i'm enjoying the Wii U, the off-TV gameplay using the gamepad is the unexpected killer feature. I spend most nights watching Twit/Twitch/Justin/Revision3 on the TV while playing a few levels of Mario or getting a workout with Just Dance.

Lack of DVD killed it (1)

karearea (234997) | about a year ago | (#43006453)

Lack of DVD/Blueray player killed it. Seriously of you are making/using an optical drive using the same form factor as a CD/DVD/Blueray play, it can't be that much harder/more expensive to add that functionality into it.

I really only want one device that can play disks cluttering the area near my TV (and generally you can play games or watch TV/DVD). If it had been able to play my DVDs, I would have bought one.

the real reason (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#43006517)

Obviously their original Wii was bought by A TON of non-gamers who had never bought a console. That means a console budget of $0. So it was already a stretch and now they're expecting a lot of them to upgrade to a much more expensive version when the added features are very gamer-oriented? Hell no! That's what's really killing it.

Nothing new in this generation (2)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#43006565)

It's likely the PS4 and Xbox 720 won't sell that well either.
The manufacturers are aware of this, which is why their new consoles aren't as costly as the previous ones.

Make revolutionary games, and people will come. But what's left to revolutionize anymore?

Re:Nothing new in this generation (1)

jonesy16 (595988) | about a year ago | (#43006663)

If the PS4 ends up being cheaper than the original PS3 (and I wouldn't count on it just yet), it would only be because the Blu-Ray technology has come way down in price, they're certainly sparing little expense based on the other specs they've released.

lack of games, economy and smart phones (2)

on_the_gls (1371227) | about a year ago | (#43006605)

We have a couple of Wii's at the house [ mostly relegated to Netflix now, but every now and again it is fun to break out the Lego game or Free Running] and a Wii U [ XMAS present with Zombie U ]. The Wii had a lot in its favor, it introduced a compelling new paradigm in its controller and really appealed to families with some very innovative and fun games. It was almost as if the Wii was an appliance more than a gaming console. The WII U on other hand has none of that going for it. For those that have Wii's already, why upgrade unless you want to play specific games? The price point is also expensive for this economy, I think more people are playing games on their smart phones via free or cheap apps or their computers via flash. Another thing that is also telling to me at least is when I visit my local Costco. It used to be that Costco had a reasonable amount of shelf space devoted to gaming hardware and games. Now, it is almost non-existent and as far as I've seen there are is nothing at all for the Wii U.

Not a new development (0)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | about a year ago | (#43006643)

You are simply seeing a continuation of a trend that started when the original Wii release afterglow wore out.

its the same as always (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006675)

its the games.
people buy consoles for games. I've had the luxury of being able to afford consoles I don't need, so I bought the ps3 just to play the uncharted games even though I already had an xbox 360. The PS3 and xbox 360 libraries overlap more than any previous consoles have ever overlapped, with minimal differences between the same games on the different systems; but each has their system selling games (gears of war, halo for xbox). I'd consider buying a Wii U if it had some amazing games only available on wii u but i'm certainly not going to buy it for call of duty.

Wii was a one-off for a while. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43006803)

The Wii was a one-off event that won't happen again for quite a while, at least in those numbers.

The reason the Wii sold so well was because it was targeted as casuals an families.
There are both good and bad sides to this group.
The good part is they are absolutely huge untapped resources.
The bad is they don't like to buy expensive things often.

The Wii sold so well because it was something they never had, something that was highly accessible and something that was fun for all the family.
WiiU comes around. Who wants that? We already have a Wii, why would we want another one?
The NAME was a huge turn-off for one. There was even many news articles going on about how Wii doesn't play WiiU games. No doubt many games stores had to explain this so often as well.
The price being another turn-off. Wii sales absolutely stopped once it hit the saturation point. Games too.
After that it was just an odd sale here and there. Once everyone had a Wii and a couple games or so, that was it. They had no reason to get anythng else.
It was like if you made a perfect light bulb and sold one to every person who ever needed one. You just killed a HUGE income generator due to that.

Could another game-changer happen this generation? Hell, entirely possible.
Valve could come in and be all like "hey screw you console guys, my games are cheap and everyone loves them, your move".
Prices could drop, and if it did, it would likely get more people buying NEW games as opposed to USED games. People don't like buying used games because they are used (well, not all of them... some people however), but the problem is price forces them to go other routes, and the used market is where they go.
Piracy isn't even a percentage of the overall market, it is hilariously ignorant how games companies went after pirates when the REAL pirates were their own ignorant short-term greed per unit moved.

We just need to hope that things will get better. If it doesn't, I fear another huge crash.
Actually I don't fear, I will be around to take advantage of it. Indies are the ones that revive markets.

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