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iOS 6.1.3 Beta 2 Patches evasi0n Jailbreak

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the evading-evasion dept.

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hypnosec writes "Apple released iOS 6.1.3 beta 2 to developers, patching at least one of the vulnerabilities used by evasi0n thereby rendering the jailbreak tool useless — the time zone settings vulnerability. David Wang aka @planetbeing, has confirmed that iOS 6.1.3 beta 2 does patch one of the vulnerabilities that they exploited in their evasi0n tool."

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The Apple Monoculture: (5, Funny)

Hartree (191324) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011057)

Apple: Doing our best to remind you it's OUR gadget, not yours.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (5, Insightful)

cshark (673578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011073)

Right. That's exactly it. It's a clear message to power users, and it's hard to mistake it for anything else. What they're saying is, "don't buy our gadgets."

"Power users" don't jailbreak (4, Insightful)

Pausanias (681077) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011931)

I used to jailbreak during iOS 4-5 days. Spent a lot of time installing this or that tweak, feeling like such a cool "power user." Oh my, animated wallpaper and SSV Normandy replacing the words "AT&T" on the upper left corner of my screen. This or that tweak that let me access this or that feature with one less gesture than before.

What a freaking waste of time. And at what cost? Random applications written by anonymous people on the net running as root on your iPhone, with full access to your private data if they wanted it? You are putting yourself at extremely high risk by circumventing the iPhone's security and running all this closed source software as root.

Jailbreaking is a security nightmare, and you're not worthy of the term "power user" if you allow someone called chpwn or BigBoss to run closed source shit as root on your personal communication device. By the way, that jerk BigBoss wouldn't let me run his software if I blocked ads on my hosts file. WTF dude, let us live a little?

If you really want flexibility, at least go to Android, where they publish their source.

It finally took cold turkey---bought an iPhone 5 when it came out, with no jailbreak for months---to learn that I really like my iPhone the way God intended it: nice and stable and closed---and even if not 100% secure, still better than giving some random dude called p0sixninja full access to my device. I get more stuff done now---you know, real work that I need to get done for my real career and not messing with a half-assed implementation of Expose that causes my phone to reboot half the time (yeah---the instability and the random reboots are yet another downside of jailbreaking).

Re:"Power users" don't jailbreak (5, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012021)

to learn that I really like my iPhone the way God intended it:

You are allowed to cal God by His real name - Steve Jobs.

Re:"Power users" don't jailbreak (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43012399)

to learn that I really like my iPhone the way God intended it:

You are allowed to cal God by His real name - Steve Jobs.

It was said the holy letters Jhw stood for Jahwe. They do not. They stand for Jobs Have Won.

Re:"Power users" don't jailbreak (0)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012101)

Just because you're jailbroken doesn't mean you're hacked. It's to be able to run applications apple won't sanction because they compete with their business model. If you get hacked after jailbreaking, you're the fool.

Get a fucking clue.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012371)

Right. That's exactly it. It's a clear message to power users, and it's hard to mistake it for anything else. What they're saying is, "don't buy our gadgets."

they already said so when they made it a policy.

the idea that they'd on purpose leave these breaks in for power users is laughable idiocy. of course they're going to patch them. you want to play with the devices then you pay the developer fee.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011079)

I've always wondered why jailbreaking exists. If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone? The reason I've never even considered an iPhone is because of Apple's attitude towards it.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (3, Interesting)

cshark (673578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011097)

Well, the way I remember it, jail-breaking came about because someone noticed that you can run a full on unix command line on an i-phone. This was before we had Android phones, and it was really fucking novel at the time. I can't tell you how many times I had to sit there, and hear the fan boys ask me things like, "So, can you ssh into your Nokia?" To which I always told them, "Look dude, if I wanted a command line, it would have a real fucking keyboard."

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Informative)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011215)

They didn't know about the N900? The one where you could ssh in and had xterm installed by default?

Yeah it had a real keyboard too. :P

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011291)

The iPhone and its local SSH server predated the N900 by about 2 years.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Moridineas (213502) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011443)

LOL, the few, the proud--N900 fanboys. Great slapdown :)

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011693)

Slapdown? Just pointing out fact. My N900 and N9 still see regular use and will until something I actually want to buy comes along.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011825)

Nokia tablet+bluetooth tethering was an option around the time of the iphone's release(unless such features were new in os2008 of course), and i'm curious to know whether or not there was an SSH client available for the old Nokia communicator devices in the 90s.
Oh, what about palms and jornadas, did those have any kind of data connectivity for use with mobile phones, come to think of it, what about the zauruses, or treos, it's sad to think how many failed(commercially) attempts were made at ultraportable computing before the iphone came along and got it right for the masses.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012387)

Nokia tablet+bluetooth tethering was an option around the time of the iphone's release(unless such features were new in os2008 of course), and i'm curious to know whether or not there was an SSH client available for the old Nokia communicator devices in the 90s.
Oh, what about palms and jornadas, did those have any kind of data connectivity for use with mobile phones, come to think of it, what about the zauruses, or treos, it's sad to think how many failed(commercially) attempts were made at ultraportable computing before the iphone came along and got it right for the masses.

there were ssh clients for the communicators and before ssh telnet/modem terminal(in the '90s..).

as to full commandline mobiles.. well, zauruses before iphones but they didn't come with gsm radios. windows mobiles did though, but the fanboiz would rather buy apple.

.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011103)

because they think the software is better

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (2)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011311)

A pity they are sadly mistaken.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011545)

My Nexus One was a piece of shit compared to the iPhone which replaced it. Not just the buggy glitchy software, but the camera, battery, call quality and pretty much everything else.

One of these days I'll pick up an Android 4 device and see how things have improved, but as 1-2 years ago iOS won hands-down.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011655)

Yet both are made from the same chinese parts.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011841)

Very astute observation. And these parts are made of silicon, copper and even gold!!!

And you know what, all humans are made up of nerve cells and other cells.

Some combinations work better than others, and some, as you demonstrate, are clearly harder to work with.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011959)

You are exaggerating, but even if you weren't we are talking about now not 2 years ago. LG, HTC and specially Samsung high-end phones are considerably superior to the iPhone in pretty much everything.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43012025)

Probably, but the iphone worked better during the early adopter phase, while Android left some bad impressions, and Apple will hang onto those users for life.

And actually, smartphones have already gotten boring. I can't think of any reason I'd want a faster/better one when my 4S works perfectly for everything I need. Calls/texts work perfectly, the browser is fast, and the camera is better than my old P&S. (Maybe half the thickness or twice the battery length would be worth an upgrade.)

Wintel strung out the upgrade cycle for 25 long years, but these stupid phone manufacturers perfected their product in 5.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011105)

I've always wondered why jailbreaking exists. If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone? The reason I've never even considered an iPhone is because of Apple's attitude towards it.

It shouldn't matter. If you buy something it is yours, and you should be able to do whatever you want with it. I prefer Android (I use an Asus Transformer Prime as my tablet) but work gave me an iPhone. I don't care for it, but not because of the walled garden. I just like Android better. That being said, if I did decide to buy my own iOS device I should be able to do whatever I want with it and its software. That is why jailbreaking exists.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (3, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011351)

Depends on if you believe in the concept of a 'contract' or not. The problem isn't that Apple refuses to let you use the hardware as you see fit. The problem is that Apple hasn't clarified the expected and blatant terms of use. It's pretty obfuscated if you ask me.

Let me give you an example of future GPU (Video cards) and CPU technology. Suppose the yields are so good, and yet the R&D costs are naturally expensive. What if there was just one hardware production run whereas "cores" are unlocked based on the serial code you enter into the BIOS. Want an upgrade? Upgrade your serial code. It saves you money, it saves the manufacture money. Impulse purchasing and upgrading all from the seat of your desk. Everyone wins right? Economic theory would say yes. But the idea you own the hardware - yet can't touch it (because you're not licensed for it) is a big taboo among crowd here.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011843)

you used to sell IBM printers, didn't you?

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (2)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011923)

So... how much do you need to pay Apple to unlock an iPhone?

Unlike you GPU/CPU analogy, this is about paying full price for the hardware but not even being able to pay in order to access all of it.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43012161)

This is a bad idea. You are giving someone more than they paid for. This just shows that your product is worth a whole lot less than you say it is if you can afford to give away a box full of upgrades. This is bad for both sides, people feel they are being played and they are. If it is worth it for you to produce all this excess product in the hopes of getting people to pay you again it would be worth it to just unlock the machine for free after purchase. It is bad for you because people usually don't upgrade, they usually break the machine and just toss it in the garbage where you will never be able to sell it's upgrades. Then who owns it?

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011899)

I disagree, otherwise you could buy a whole bunch of smoke detectors and build your own unsafe nuclear reactor in the back yard! As if that would ever happen, though...

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43012075)

Except, the trend is strongly leaning towards you just leasing the product, or the software on said product. You don't actually own it anymore.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011113)

If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone?

Perhaps Apple's view is to let those who can, do....and those who can't don't?

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011195)

That's obviously not Apple's view. Their view is obviously that no one does anything without Apple's permission.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011313)

Are you sure you just don't have Apple wrong? They could be just out to improve the species! Those that figure out how to work around their lockdowns get to proceed, those that don't, don't.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0, Troll)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011427)

On the plus side, there is no need for antivirus software in devices running iOS, something that I saw advertised prominently the last time I was in Akihabara. Certainly, the rules to get a iOS developer license could be relaxed in such a way to demand less than $100 for it and make room for hoobists, but locked down nature of the devices and the efforts made to get accountability from the developers are a service to Apple's customers.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011713)

On the plus side, there is no need for antivirus software in devices running iOS

There's no need to run antivirus software on Android either.

something that I saw advertised prominently the last time I was in Akihabara.

Are you sure they didn't mean Mac OS X? Cause that was the claim for the longest of times.

Certainly, the rules to get a iOS developer license could be relaxed in such a way to demand less than $100 for it and make room for hoobists, but locked down nature of the devices and the efforts made to get accountability from the developers are a service to Apple's customers.

Or they could offer a simple switch enabled in the environment or from iTunes that lets end users do as they wish. It would have no impact on most people because the App Store is far too easy. But they won't, because Apple enjoys having absolute control over end users, developers, and their interactions.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (3, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012155)

There are viruses and anti-virus for Android. The closest to that is a small amount of malware for iOS that requires jailbreaking and manually installing. Apple is safer for not offering the choice.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011943)

Apple's view is that anyone who buys their products is a stupid fucking cunt, and they're right.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (3, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011201)

Most Android devices are locked, too. Sometimes you buy a product for other considerations and if you can root it... great.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (2)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011223)

Few are locked properly. 95% get rooted with no troubles.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (5, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011267)

Caveats, caveats everywhere.

Android, even on devices with a locked bootloader, allows for installation of software from sources other than the Play Store. On iOS devices, you cannot install any software from sources other than the App Store, period.

Android vendors that lock the bootloader quite often catch a lot of shit, so I don't really see how this is equivalent.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (2)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011323)

It would be a nice argument and all if a locked Android phone wasn't about as permissive as a jailbroken iPhone.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

hovelander (250785) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011231)

I've always wondered why jailbreaking exists. If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone? The reason I've never even considered an iPhone is because of Apple's attitude towards it.

Because Jony Ive makes a super spanky tablet and all the developer love is initially born in iOS. I hate the walled garden and jailbroke because of it, but Holy
Chocolate Buddha if it isn't the best build quality of all the tablets right now.

If Google finally did something with the red headed Moto stepchild and brought out a RAZR inspired tablet with substantial battery life? I might be there when it happens in a few years. (Why they drag their feet here, I have no clue.)

So in short, it's the sexiest tablet going atm. That'll change, (and that time is close).

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011783)

Please explain what makes the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 tablets worse than an iPad...

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Informative)

FyRE666 (263011) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011873)

I own a Nexus 7, Nexus 10 and the latest iPad (also owned previous iPads, iPhones, and numerous other Android phones/tablets). The build quality and battery life of the iPad is certainly higher than the Nexus devices. It's pretty obvious if you've used both extensively. I've also had more glitches on the Android devices (e.g. current Google Nexus phone not ringing when people call after it's been running for a week or so, sometimes staying on lock screen when a call comes in, occasional UI quirks). Also the iPad mail app is much better than the Android offerings. Nexus 7 has terrible sound quality through external speaker - not a show stopper, but really should be addressed.

That said, I much prefer using the Android devices for day to day use. I also spend far more time developing for Android than iOS (in fact let my iOS dev license expire now) and I recommend Android to clients for the type of work I do - my apps are generally not available to the public. I hate being tethered to iTunes, forced to distribute apps via the Apple iTunes store, and Apples general lack of innovation or improvement (not adopting NFC for example).

So that's my experience; day to day I carry a Nexus 7 around with me, along with my Nexus phone. If I'm anticipating doing a lot of email, I'll either take my laptop, or the iPad2 instead. Im not a fanboi of either camp - just use what I think is most suitable.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011301)

What should someone do if they like the iPhone, but can't get AT&T? My solution (for my wife's phone, I'm on Android), was to get an iPhone and jailbreak it. This was before there was any "legal" way to buy an unlocked one.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (2)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011369)

For most people phones -of any kind- are appliances. For them the lack of freedom to run any arbitrary code is a good feature, and are well served by Apple's model.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

Celeritas 5k (1587217) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011631)

Because it's a very well engineered, designed, and optimized phone, and a jailbreak always comes out sooner or later.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011903)

I've always wondered why jailbreaking exists. If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone? The reason I've never even considered an iPhone is because of Apple's attitude towards it.

Because the walled garden is just one aspect of the entire thing. If you want a decent phone with a screen that's not humongous and actually usable single-handedly, your options are REALLY limited. A phone with a 4" or smaller screen on Android doesn't exist if you want a decent CPU, lots of RAM, and a high-res screen.

Basically, if you want something like a flagship Samsung Galaxy S III has but in a screen that's smaller, it doesn't exist in the Android realm.

Or perhaps the user likes the way iOS does things compared to Android. It's a phone, after all, and if the user is frustrated with Android, no amount of software freedom will convince them it's better.

Lots of reasons - the whole "software freedom" is really just a minor aspect in analyzing what device suits a user best.

Or put another why - why do people choose Windows over Linux? Why do they install Windows 7 over WIndows 8, when they can install Linux? Hell, I develop Linux code using Windows - my Linux box sits headless beside me and I use Samba and gVim/Win32 and SSH windows because I find X clunky, slow, ugly and really poor font rendering.

Jailbreaking is often a bonus, as well. 7M jailbroken iOS 6 devices is a drop compared to all the iOS devices out there.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Interesting)

SilenceBE (1439827) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012053)

Because of the bigger range of quality apps to be honest.

And btw I'm an android developer but my main tablet for example is still an iPad. The thing that harms andriod seriously is fragmentation, bad documentation (quality, not quantity) , less strictness which results that a lot of hw companies are sloppy, weak support for older devices, no really good design guidelines,... . For me it is the Drupal of the mobile world. Not a bad platform, but it sometimes drives me nuts.

People that say things like "they think the software is better... And are greatly mistaken" have never used the two platforms on a daily basis. Android is slowly getting there, but the really big problem is that a lot of devices are still suck on 2.3 gingerbread. It would be nice if android hw companies would support their older devices as Apple does with older hardware. An iPad 1 being stuck on iOS 5 is nothing in comparison with a lot of android situations. And the number of normal people (non geeks) that root their phone is zero to none.

To be honest with Android I have the feeling that a lot of love gets into the advertisment or google services part of the os, but it lacks in the other departements. The Android API (especially the older versions) sometimes amazes me in stupidity.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012115)

because many have bought an iphone or other closed device, then later found out about the coolness of running alternative software..

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011183)

And yet, for any other computer system, we would call patching vulnerabilities a good thing.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011203)

Isn't it such terrible irony?

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011339)

When the vulnerabilities are a desired feature that tells a lot about the manufacturer's policies.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (4, Insightful)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011355)

Yeah, it is not like the vulnerabilities used by jailbreak tools could ever be also used by malware or anything.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

dissy (172727) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011399)

No not really. Once you jailbreak, either Cydia or the jailbreak tool itself patches the hole it used in that OS image. It is fixed until you wipe the device and start over.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

happylight (600739) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011441)

And what about the vast majority of the iphones out there that aren't jail broken?

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

LocalH (28506) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011673)

Guess that means that effectively, jailbroken iOS devices can be safer than stock, depending on the practices of the user.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011389)

Yes, how dare they patch bugs in their software so that they can be bitched at for having buggy software.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011807)

The new Crapple iDrool 5 helps you to think even less so you can spend more time staring at the wall.

Crapple producta, the next best thing to a lobotomy.

Re:The Apple Monoculture: (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012141)

Apple: All your iGadgets, are belong to us!

Maybe I'm missing something... (0)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011091)

Now, I have to admit I don't know TOO much about Apple gadgets, but ... this doesn't do anything but breaking the ability to take over ownership of the device by the person who paid for it, right?

Care to inform me why anyone should update?

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011123)

Unfortunately several releases of iOS have had some pretty bad bugs. The latest was a big battery drainer, for example. That's why sometimes upgrading is unavoidable. That being said most people just blindly accept updates as they come out.

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011189)

Jailbreaking is done by exploiting security holes. If the holes are left, they'll be exploited by others for less noble means. There have been a couple of jailbreaks that merely involved visiting a web site. They must be patched.

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011397)

If you're talking about Jailbreakme, I believe that exploit patched itself after jailbreaking the device.

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (1)

KingMotley (944240) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011451)

That is a pretty silly argument, unless in your world you expect everyone to have visited jailbreakme before they get served some malware, otherwise, yes, fixing the hole for everyone is a good idea before someone else takes advantage of it.

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (2)

dissy (172727) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011387)

Care to inform me why anyone should update?

Actually, now is the time to update to iOS 6.1.1 while you still can. Once Apple pushes 6.1.2 out, they won't give out the keys so iTunes can install it.

The fact evasi0n only had a limited time window available was known, but Apple has ramped up the release between to devs and to everyone. It used to be about 1.5-2 months, now it's about a week.

This is just to let everyone running a slightly older version that now is the time to update to the latest jailbreakable OS, and to run Cydia so it grabs the keys using your devices SHSH blobs so you can restore to those versions later later.

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (2)

Desler (1608317) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011401)

this doesn't do anything but breaking the ability to take over ownership of the device by the person who paid for it, right?

No, it patches bugs in their software.

Care to inform me why anyone should update?

Because you don't want possible open security exploits on your phone?

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011577)

You are the owner. You can choose not to upgrade. You don't have to. Upgrades require you to say 'yes, do it!'.

Just like the PS3 OtherOS option. You aren't losing anything you bought unless you actively make a choice to take new software from the manufacture and load it on your device.

You choose to upgrade for bug fixes or features. If you really didn't want to upgrade BECAUSE of jailbreaking, its likely that the jailbreakers will make a patch for anything apple makes public as well, as shown by history.

To answer your question, you've figured out the solution, don't upgrade.

Re:Maybe I'm missing something... (1)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011671)

One thing that immediately springs to mind is that an app developer *could* theoretically, specify this as a minimum target OS, and it will not run on an earlier version, even if the application doesn't use any facilities not offered by earlier versions.

Wow! Posting patches to stop jailbreaks? (0)

marcgvky (949079) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011101)

For-realzies? Can't you use that brainpower to make the product more functional and fix bugs???

Re:Wow! Posting patches to stop jailbreaks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011169)

You do know Android vendors have done this too. Not all 'droids have open boot loaders.

Re:Wow! Posting patches to stop jailbreaks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011377)

For-realzies? Can't you use that brainpower to make the product more functional and fix bugs???

These are bugs dimwit. Bugs that allow access to your personal information (email, banking info etc..) and so should be fixed.

Vulnerabilities (5, Insightful)

thadman08 (732965) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011175)

Why is there so much outrage at this? Jailbreaking works by first finding bugs and vulnerabilities and then exploiting them. Yes, Apple is preventing jailbreaking, but they're also securing their OS.

Re:Vulnerabilities (1, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011235)

Because vulnerabilities that don't allow jail breaking don't get fixed terribly quickly?

Re:Vulnerabilities (5, Interesting)

Desler (1608317) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011409)

Such as?

Re:Vulnerabilities (1)

happylight (600739) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011431)

Maybe because bugs that allow jail break are pretty damn serious as they allow for complete control of the phone. Other bugs that don't allow jail break aren't as critical.

Re:Vulnerabilities (2, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011277)

Why is there so much outrage at this?

There's this strange, antiquidated notion some people have that a device they spend hundreds of dollars on, are in physical possession of, and which contains a ton of personal information and is the de facto way for the world to get ahold of them, belongs to them. So when these social degenerates are told that they have no say in how their data is used, whether or not they're tracked, what applications they can and cannot use, etc., they get upset.

We should probably just ignore them. Such morally inferior people are just holding back innovation in this country. The idea that you own anything, even your own DNA, is stupid. No poor person should be allowed to own anything -- they'll just misuse it anyway, and deprive society of the benefit of having a corporation own the things they have instead.

Re:Vulnerabilities (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011413)

No, you should own the device you have purchased. This does not mean however that if you jail break it due to a bug that there is any sort of moral imperative for the manufacturer to leave that bug alone. Just find a new back door to use instead.

Re:Vulnerabilities (2)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011421)

There wouldn't be this stupid cat and mouse game if Apple would give people a legitimate means of opening up the device. They refuse to, thus people get annoyed when Apple stamps their shiny metal and white boot down again and again.

Re:Vulnerabilities (0)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011469)

No, you should own the device you have purchased.

sar-casm /,sar,kazem/, n: The use of irony to mock or convey contempt. Often misunderstood by netizens of the online discussion site Slashdot, who take everything literally. See also: Derp.

Re:Vulnerabilities (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011565)

No, you should own the device you have purchased. This does not mean however that if you jail break it due to a bug that there is any sort of moral imperative for the manufacturer to leave that bug alone. Just find a new back door to use instead.

If you paid an unsubsidized full price then I would agree with you and perhaps Apple should offer the ability use certificate attached to your iTunes account with the proviso that it only work on devices that you "own" outright. This would mean that you do not gain the ability to install software outside of the app store on a company provided device. You also could not side load apps on a subsidized device because you did not actually pay for it yet. The process could involve registration of the IMEI with your account during setup and then paying a small fee to "unlock" your phone for side loaded binaries. To keep it secure, you would still need to compile and sign the binaries yourself before loading them on your phone.

This would strike a balance between being able to use "open source" code to create your own versions software and keeping the BSD jails system in place for security.

Re:Vulnerabilities (3, Insightful)

Moridineas (213502) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011419)

I have owned an iPhone 3GS and currently an iPhone5. I have jailbroken both of them. I was very happy when evasi0n was released, and immediately downloaded biteSMS and several other great Cydia apps.

Everyone who buys an iPhone knows exactly what they are getting in to. Nobody is conned or tricked or forced to buy an iPhone.

Apple has every right to patch security holes in their OS and software. Even as a jailbreaker, I expect nothing less. Should Apple have left a PDF rendering buffer exploit that allowed the easiest jailbreak in history (jailbreakme.com) open just so people could jailbreak? Obviously not. That's an easy example, but just which security holes should Apple leave open for jailbreakers?

I wish Apple would allow easy legitimate rooting. But, they don't. I made the choice that I still like the iOS world and hardware. I might feel differently in 2 years, but that's where I am now. Furthermore, Apple does give you some pretty granular control over tracking, ads, location services, etc. You're really getting offtrack on to tangential issues what that tack.

No need for the disingenuous hysterics about "morally inferior" people, etc. One can imagine that you would be complaining if Apple was NOT patching security holes... Keep it straight--attack the walled garden and Apple's choice to lockdown directly. Don't coat it in a guise of outrage over bug patching.

Re:Vulnerabilities (2, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011541)

Everyone who buys an iPhone knows exactly what they are getting in to. Nobody is conned or tricked or forced to buy an iPhone.

And you think it's reasonable for the average person to read and understand a 325 page EULA [apple.com] ? You can try foisting the blame back on the user, but I think it is, at best, misrepresenting the situation to suggest that people know "exactly" what they are getting into when they purchase an iPhone. The average person thinks they're getting a phone. A phone that they own, and can use without unreasonable restriction, and that they have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Now, this isn't true, not by a long-shot, but that's what the average person thinks. The average person is, afterall, a rather trusting, and stupid, sort.

I won't address the rest of your post, other than to say SARCASM! Anyone who hasn't had their sense of humor surgically removed and replaced with a floating point coprocessor can see that my entire previous post contained generous helpings of it.

Re:Vulnerabilities (1)

Moridineas (213502) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011643)

And you think it's reasonable for the average person to read and understand a 325 page EULA [apple.com]? You can try foisting the blame back on the user, but I think it is, at best, misrepresenting the situation to suggest that people know "exactly" what they are getting into when they purchase an iPhone.

I really think the onus is on you for this point. I think you will struggle to find iPhone users who are not aware of the App Store and what it entails. Furthermore, most users just really don't care. At all. If they did, Apple wouldn't keep selling so many phones and have such a high retention rate amongst customers. Check out the retention rates if you don't believe me. They're easy to find.

The average person thinks they're getting a phone. A phone that they own, and can use without unreasonable restriction, and that they have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Now, this isn't true, not by a long-shot, but that's what the average person thinks.

No, your confusion arises from the fact that most people don't care about the restrictions. You're again being hysterically disingenuous. Even jailbreakers are a TINY minority of iOS users.

Privacy-wise, exactly what issue are you complaining about?

The average person is, afterall, a rather trusting, and stupid, sort.

You, of course, are bright, savvy, and an extra special snowflake [xkcd.com] .

I won't address the rest of your post, other than to say SARCASM! Anyone who hasn't had their sense of humor surgically removed and replaced with a floating point coprocessor can see that my entire previous post contained generous helpings of it.

Are you joking now? Your "sarcasm" was painfully obvious. It was the inanity behind the point you were trying to make that I am commenting on.

Re:Vulnerabilities (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011725)

I think you will struggle to find iPhone users who are not aware of the App Store and what it entails. Furthermore, most users just really don't care.

I believe you are mistaken. Most people neither know nor care. Incidentally, that mode of thinking is why our political situation is such crap right now and not something to be deferred to or respected.

Re:Vulnerabilities (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011871)

Are you merely agreeing with him, or violently agreeing with him? I can't tell.

Re:Vulnerabilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011581)

Get an Android - problem solved. If you want to own the hardware, don't buy Apple. It's always been that way. Thus, I agree with the OP - why the outrage that Apple is securing and hence further locking iOS devices down, when it's been their modus operandi since at least the release of the iPhone? If this was a new thing like Secure Booting UEFI or something that was replacing BIOS devices that were always more open in the past, the outrage makes sense. But Apple devices? Come on - they've always been closed down. Nothing new here.

I understand the concept (4, Insightful)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012229)

But if you have a problem with a device that is a walled garden, why did you buy it?

If you buy DRMed content expecting it'll be cracked, that works, until it doesn't. Meanwhile, you bolster the financial argument for selling DRMed content by buying it. And you diminish the importance of offering unrestricted content.

If you buy a walled garden device expecting it'll be cracked, that works, until it doesn't. And again, you bolster the financial argument for selling walled garden devices.

And then after a while, you find that the DRM isn't being cracked so easy anymore. And the walled garden devices you have been buying stop being cracked so easy too, maybe at all. And meanwhile the devices you can control are gone, because no one bought them. Companies got the message they don't need to offer more open devices, and so they didn't.

If you want to be able to buy open devices in the future, buy open devices today. Don't buy closed devices and then complain when they are re-closed.

Re:Vulnerabilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011375)

It would be a rather smart move on their part to not send any desist letters out, and let it happen.

1. Make walled user device.
2. Allow people to poke at it and break through by not suing
3. ???
4. Free security audit!
5. Patch vulnerabilities
6. JMP 2

People are still buying iPhones? (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011225)

I'm at a loss of words. Why jailbreak an iPhone when there are better phones out there that don't have nearly as many restrictions on them?

Sigh, there goes another hope shot down (1)

Ka D'Argo (857749) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011279)

I recently picked up an iCade Jr for my iPhone 4S (thinkgeek had marked down on super sale back in January for like ten bucks), which I jumped at. Sadly the official Ion support only has a handful of decent games that are compatible with the Jr. and for whatever reason jailbreaking a 4S or an iPad 2 appears to be super hard due to the A5 chipset. Which is odd cause keep in mind both are well over a year+ old now. I've got an older iPhone 3GS laying around I could jailbreak but it won't run newer games nearly as well as my 4S. The only reason I'd love to jailbreak is so I could use MAME which Cydia has a shit ton more support for the iCade in terms of quantity of games, including many legit games I've purchased from the App Store like X-Men Arcade, Final Fantasy Tactics, etc. I've been waiting a long ass time for an iOS 6 jailbreak that works with the A5 chip, either tethered or non-tethered but none seem to ever get made :(

Re:Sigh, there goes another hope shot down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011385)

Um, iOS 6.1/6.1.1/6.1.2 is easily jailbreakable on iPhone 5/iPad 4/etc via the evasi0n tool. If you want to jailbreak, do it now, before 6.1.3 is out.

Re:Sigh, there goes another hope shot down (3, Informative)

Moridineas (213502) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011433)

Allow me to introduce you to evasi0n, the subject of this (RTF)Article.

http://evasi0n.com/ [evasi0n.com]

I think you will be pleased!

Re:Sigh, there goes another hope shot down (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011699)

My iPad Mini contains an A5, and evasi0n handled it nicely. All of the recent jailbreaks were not released until they worked on EVERY relevant iPhone and iPad.

Actually the only iOS device that, right now, cannot be jailbroken is the 3rd generation Apple TV.

Reasons why Apple makes jail breaking difficult (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011281)

There are valid reasons against jail breaking. For Apple AND the user.

1. Minimising app piracy. (And don't tell me that that isn't a major reason for a lot of people)

2. Jail breaking removes several security barriers and exposes the phone to more risks. Yes there have been bug fixes/patches available on Cydia before official updates by Apple.

3. Support reasons. People who jb and then encounter problems may blame Apple and thereby tarnish the brand despite being themselves the cause of their problems.

4. Stability and performance. Lots of Cydia apps are seriously crap. Be honest. Yea there are some true shining gems. But a lot of turd too.

Jail breaking had its merits in the early days of iOS. But I don't think it's worth it any longer.

I seriously wish Apple would simply (4, Interesting)

aussersterne (212916) | about a year and a half ago | (#43011569)

get with the program. I don't have a problem with a secured OS that can't be jailbroken.

But I do have a problem with the way in which Android offers compelling features that Apple doesn't—like applets that display information on the launcher screen, and a notification system that doesn't suck. All of which are only available to iOS through Cydia. Grrrr.

I also wish Apple would release a phablet-sized iPhone.

I'm caught between two worlds. I'm a Mac user and an iPad user and until recently an iPhone user. But I switched to Android because it did things that iOS simply doesn't do right now without jailbreaking (which I get tired of—I want OS updates *and* features, not a choice between the two), and because Apple seems dead set against a phone with a large display.

But now, with a Galaxy Note II, I'm stuck with the crashiness, laggishness, UI inconsistency, and comparatively crappy apps available for Android. It's a no-win situation.

There's no comparison between iOS and Android when it comes to UI consistency and the smoothness and transparency of the system, or the app store. iOS wins hands down, and it isn't even close.

But there's also no comparison between iOS and Android when it comes to features, flexibility, and form factor. Android wins hands down.

But I hate having to choose between these when it's clearly technically possible for humans to build a great device with great UI consistency, smoothness, and transparency, great apps, and great features, flexibility, and form factor.

As a user, it's like being caught in a battle between two self-centered idiots.

Re: I seriously wish Apple would simply (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011627)

You said that you want feature AND updates and therefore chose Android. That's a contradiction. Be honest: most Android phones (except Nexus devices) won't get updates and when they get updates (after many moons) the update itself is often outdated.

Re: I seriously wish Apple would simply (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012211)

You said that you want feature AND updates and therefore chose Android. That's a contradiction. Be honest: most Android phones (except Nexus devices) won't get updates and when they get updates (after many moons) the update itself is often outdated.

http://get.cm/ [get.cm]

Cool story bro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43011921)

What the fkuk? Someone cares?

Owner of a jailbroken 4s here..... (4, Interesting)

Kr1ll1n (579971) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012083)

I purchased used 2 of the AT&T iPhone 4s devices.
Had them unlocked, and then bought Straight Talk sim cards for them.
I ended up being forced to jailbreak so I could access the APN settings, which control the ability to send MMS messages.
Currently, both Straight Talk and AT&T are unwilling to address this issue.

Jailbreaking allowed me to download a module that unlocked the APN settings page, which then allowed me to actually send and receive MMS messages.
I would have preferred to not jailbreak, but having spent $750.00 on gear, not being able to use such a simplistic feature was asinine.

$S reception flaw still not patched... (0)

mad flyer (589291) | about a year and a half ago | (#43012179)

If only they spend as much energy at fixing their products functionnalities...

Like the abominable reception on the 4S...

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