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LG Not Working On Windows Phone 8 Devices

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the admiring-from-afar dept.

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helix2301 sends this quote from CNET: "LG's reluctance to embrace Windows Phone 8 underscores the difficulties that the platform faces with both consumers and vendor partners. LG was one of the early partners that signed on with Microsoft, releasing the LG Quantum in the first wave of Windows Phone devices. Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia, which is considered in the industry first among equals when it comes to Microsoft partners, has some vendors reassessing their own support for the operating system. Over the past year or so, LG has been focusing on Android and has started building phones running on Mozilla's Firefox mobile OS."

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windows 8 is dieing fast time for plan b (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029325)

Like windows 7 se

In other news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029327)

Sony not making roller skates. Taco bell not producing it's own TV. Nintendo refusing to make laser pointers.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029571)

What the hell are you going on about? You know LG does make phones, right?

Re:In other news... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031101)

Actually, I'd like to see a complete list of manufacturers who are NOT embracing Windows8.

We could start with General Motors, Chrysler, Daimler Benz - or we could restrict ourselves to computer manufacturers. Either way, the list will be impressive. ;^)

nobody wants Microsofts solution (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029373)

when given the choice between "you will take this OS as it is, we are not listening to end users or "something else", the manufacturers and users are choosing "something else", after all LG wants to sell phones not participate in some US software companies lock in power games bollocks

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (1, Troll)

cusco (717999) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029483)

Considering the quality of some of their products that we've installed in the last year this is probably a good thing for Microsoft. More often than not when I hear (L)users complaining about how such-and-such problem is all Microsoft's fault a little bit of digging exposes that the real problem is crappy hardware or crappy software, not the OS.

Define "crappy hardware" (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029523)

More often than not when I hear (L)users complaining about how such-and-such problem is all Microsoft's fault a little bit of digging exposes that the real problem is crappy hardware or crappy software, not the OS.

That'd be fine, assuming that you define "operating system" as the kernel. If users of a particular operating system have difficulty adapting to its user interface paradigm, are the user-space components that implement the user interface "software" that can be "crappy"? I've read a few arguments that a display without touch input is "crappy hardware" for running Windows 8, but then that'd mean almost every desktop PC monitor is "crappy hardware" because it doesn't encourage an interaction modality known for inducing gorilla arm.

Re:Define "crappy hardware" (1, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029587)

I've read a few arguments that a display without touch input is "crappy hardware" for running Windows 8, but then that'd mean almost every desktop PC monitor is "crappy hardware" because it doesn't encourage an interaction modality known for inducing gorilla arm.

I didn't know that having a touchscreen makes the keyboard and mouse melt away and force you to use only the touchscreen thereby turning you into a gorilla.

Re:Define "crappy hardware" (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029883)

I think the complaint was that some of the controls in Windows 8 without a touch screen, such as the invisible corners to activate the Frosted Lucky Charms bar and shut down the machine, are too hard to learn.

Re:Define "crappy hardware" (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029983)

I seriously doubt that anyone would be opening the charms bar and shutting down the PC using a touch screen so much that it is going to give you gorilla arm.

Re:Define "crappy hardware" (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033289)

Dude Win 8 is deep fried ass, i'm sorry but it is. There are so damned many brain dead decisions that were made that make it not worth having frankly it just staggers the mind. i could sit here all morning typing out all the problems with Win 8 but this video [youtube.com] says it better than I ever could. All I will add is this is the first time since WinME that I am NOT carrying MSFT's latest OS in the shop because frankly? Nobody wants it. I had people passing up a really sharp system that was running Windows 8 to take a less powerful system running Win 7, THAT is how much the public don't like Windows 8. as one of the little old ladies that walked into the shop put it so perfectly "Why would I want my computer to look like a cellphone?".

Its just not a desktop OS, its a cellphone/tablet OS that MSFT is trying to force on the desktop hoping folks will "get used to it" and they can steal some of Apple's customers...ha! you'd have better luck strapping wings to Ballmer's ass and getting him to fly south for the winter than to make Windows a "premium" brand. To use a /. car analogy MSFT is trying to slap a paint job on a Pinto and sell it for Porsche money and the public? they ain't buying it.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029707)

That's the problem with being ubiquitous, microsoft have worked hard to make users consider windows to be the whole package including hardware, so users won't see the hardware as a blank canvas on which they could run all manner of different software.
But it cuts both ways, if the hardware is garbage people blame windows.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030805)

But it cuts both ways, if the hardware is garbage people blame windows.

So it *is* the x86 PCs fault!

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (2)

Eirenarch (1099517) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032251)

I completely agree. I've always seen LG as damaging to the Windows Phone ecosystem. I think the current line up - Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Huawei is perfect. In fact if I was Microsoft I would not allow anyone else to make WP devices.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (2, Informative)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029535)

So that they can screw up the UI with their shitty skins, install unremovable always running crapware and then not update it for a couple of years like they do with their Android phones? And then be beholden to stupid carrier crapware? Thank heavens Microsoft doesn't allow that crap to happen.

For example look at what HTC and the carriers install on Android and which cannot be uninstalled and then cause serious security issues which are never fixed.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/virtualization/bloatware-a-creeping-problem/4173 [zdnet.com]

The HTC Thunderbolt is a nice HTC Android device that came with the following software that I don't use, didn't want and can't remove:
Amazon Kindle
Verizon Backup Assistant (tied to a service offering I don't use)
Bitbop
Blockbuster
Friendstream
Let's Golf 2
Mobile Hotspot (a poor replacement for the native Android hotspot that is tied to charging the user again for the "unlimited" data plan they've already purchased)
Peep (a poor Twitter client)
Rhapsody (a music service)
Rock Band (a game)
TuneWiki (lord knows what this is)
V CAST Media
V CAST Music
V CAST Tones
V CAST Videos
VZ Navigator
Several apps from Sprint or HTC come pre-installed on the HTC EVO 4G. These include:
Footprints
Amazon Mp3 Store
NASCAR Sprint Cup Mobile
Qik
Sprint Football Live
Sprint Navigation
Sprint TV

Windows Phone disallows always running services and any carrier bundled software can be easily uninstalled in about five seconds.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (3, Informative)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029667)

Sprint Football Live
Sprint Navigation
Sprint TV

I'd be very surprised if my HTC One V, on Koodo Mobile here in Canada, came with those preinstalled....

Are you entirely sure that it's HTC that's adding that crap, and not Sprint? None of the apps you have listed came preinstalled on my phone.In fact, the only non-Google apps that came preinstalled on my phone were Dropbox, HTC Hub, Polaris Office (full), Sound Hound, and TuneIn Radio. I doubt most users would complain about any of those, even if they don't use them. And having a fully licensed copy of Polaris Office out of the box on a $150 phone is actually pretty nice of them....

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (4, Interesting)

c (8461) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029677)

For example look at what HTC and the carriers install on Android and which cannot be uninstalled and then cause serious security issues which are never fixed.

You can't uninstall them, true. But you can disable them, which is effectively equivalent except they still take up disk. And those extra Android apps aren't burning that much disk compared to, say, a default Surface install.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (1, Flamebait)

Eirenarch (1099517) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032279)

You do know that Surface is not a phone and runs different operating system from Windows Phone devices right?

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (1)

c (8461) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033433)

You do know that Surface is not a phone and runs different operating system from Windows Phone devices right?

This is the same "Surface" they used to slap on an interactive coffee table, right? Don't even get me started on Microsoft's fucked up branding and marketing strategies...

In any case, the comparison is legit. The parent was about Android. The same Android which runs on my phone, tablet, and periodically my netbook. It's in the same function space as Surface, particularly if you're looking at Surface RT.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (3, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029741)

It's often carriers rather than the phone manufacture that bundle all manner of crap, and other modifications to the firmware...

Often you can go back to the manufacturer's default (ie not network branded) firmware for a much better experience, or you can buy a phone direct from the manufacturer which already has this firmware rather than buying it from your operator.
In many cases you can also install a third party android firmware such as cyanogenmod.

I have had several phones which were crippled by carrier-specific firmware, missing features, features not working, instability, bloatware, poor battery life, and which were fixed by installing stock firmware.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (0, Offtopic)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029799)

How does that matter to end users? The OEMs/Carriers install shitty skins, apps and services that destroy battery life and slow down the phone by taking up RAM.

This does not happen with Windows Phone or iOS.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/two-year-old-phone-receives-15-month-old-software-update/ [arstechnica.com]

recoiledsnake in the grass (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030713)

shill shill shill

Re:recoiledsnake in the grass (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030977)

retard retard retard

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032053)

or you install Cyanogenmod. You do realise it is unlocking tat is illegal, not jail-breaking!

Cyanogenmod IS Android. Crapware IS the carrier's doing.

You could of course, do a fresh install of Windows over the one that came with the kit - however, on most hardware, you can install something else than Windows. Apparently LG have noticed, as well as some users.

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (0)

Eirenarch (1099517) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032289)

You realize Windows Phone and Windows are different operating systems right?

Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033371)

Why is this modded offtopic? he is simply pointing out, complete with citation i might add, that the carriers have been treating Android rather poorly and that Apple and MSFT have rules against carrier crapware. I mean who didn't know the carriers treat Android like a black billboard to splatter crap trying to lock you in or sell you shit?

This is why I frankly wouldn't be surprised if we only end up with three major phone carriers, you'll have MSFT/Nokia in last place, and Google/Motorola and Apple switching back and forth for first place. I honestly would not be surprised if Google gets tired of Android being treated badly by the carriers and end up just pushing their own phones, the carriers left will probably end up on MozPhone which they will pile on the crap and treat like shit like they do Android now. Since Moz has made it clear they'll work with the carriers to set up carrier controlled appstores you can bet that Moz will be a carrier darling.

final prediction? Big three each have their own hardware/software ecosystem that cuts out the carriers and all the cheap phones will be MozPhones so the carriers can milk those pennies.

Shotgun approach (1)

greywire (78262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029409)

Sounds like LG is going to cover the playfield with Android, Firefox OS, maybe even PalmOS? who knows now...

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029453)

I don't want to go back to Palm, Firefox OS doesn't exist yet (they've yet to ship a product), so that leaves Android (which is a great choice because of the well developed ecosystem and ease of deployment). But you forgot about WebOS which is being sold off and is already fully developed by HP, and you forgot Chrome which is looking for someone to care about it.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

greywire (78262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029695)

Sorry, WebOS, thats what I meant to say. Not sure if its true or not but supposedly LG was/is going to buy WebOS. Lets not also forget Ubuntu Mobile.

With web based mobile apps getting better and better, the idea of more phone os types that just support web apps starts to become more likely. Microsoft is in trouble in mobile land.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031985)

While you are speculating, they also have KDE's Plasma Active desktop that they could use - maybe w/ WebOS

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029541)

The last time I bought an LG phone it died 4 times in 2 months and then battery broke a few months later. I've never seen a decent LG smart phone.

If they're shotgunning the OSes hoping for success then they're barking up the wrong tree. LG is the problem not Android, Windows, Ubuntu or Firefox and the solution needs to be from LG: better devices.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030913)

The last time I bought an LG phone it died 4 times in 2 months and then battery broke a few months later. I've never seen a decent LG smart phone.

If they're shotgunning the OSes hoping for success then they're barking up the wrong tree. LG is the problem not Android, Windows, Ubuntu or Firefox and the solution needs to be from LG: better devices.

Hum... LG does make crappy phones, but I have never had a problem with their reliability. In fact, from what I've seen, they seem to be quite durable and well-built. The problem is what they're built of. LG has beautiful phones with 4.3" screens, ICS and Adreno 200 - a GPU which was already obsolete in 2010. ( see Optimus L7). The whole L line is utter crap, in fact, being incredibly underspecced. Except for the L3, which would be cheap enough to be a good contender if not for that hideous screen. Really, they can't get any device entirely right. I have an Optimus Hub, an almost decent phone. Its only fault is having 150Mb of internal memory, which is unthinkable for a smartphone. I can, of course, just use a memory card partition for my apps but it's not a very elegant solution and tends to cause all kinds of weird read errors. On top of all that, their Optimus UI is pretty heavy and uglier than stock Android.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

ultrasawblade (2105922) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031207)

My experience with LG and phones has been:

- A lot of the older Sprint feature phones by LG are pure shit. The Rumor, the LX160, and others. The Rumor, Sprint's first feature phone with a slide-out keyboard, had numerous firmware updates to correct issues, including one where if you hit the wrong combination of keys the phone's memory would be zapped to the point where it would not know it's ESN and could not make a phone call. I hated LG for a long time after seeing that phone.

- I have an LG Intuition (massive screen) and I like it a lot. Hasn't given me problems that I haven't caused - i.e. I've rooted it, and seems to crash when I run X natively with too many processes ... I use it pretty heavily.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

greywire (78262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031301)

They should be a perfect match for WebOS then...

Although I loved my Palm Pre, the hardware did suck.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033255)

The optimus G is a great phone and very refined, it is like a work of art.

Re:Shotgun approach (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031977)

FirefoxOS? I thought that LG would cover their bases w/ WebOS and Android.

I like Windows Phone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029421)

Contrary to lamestream thinking, I actually like Windows Phone 8. I recently dropped my Google Nexus 4 in a pool of water. I replaced it with a Nokia Lumia running WP8. I actually prefer it over Android. It's original, actually faster, and compatible with everything else I already do and have.

I hope WP has a long life with various vendors.

Re:I like Windows Phone (1, Offtopic)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029457)

You're using the metro interface on the intended device, of course it works. Most people's issues with Windows 8 have nothing to do with the mobile market, it's the desktop.

Re:I like Windows Phone (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029623)

Most people's issues with Windows 8 have nothing to do with the mobile market, it's the desktop.

They have everything to do with the mobile market, Microsoft added Metro to Windows 8 and largely forces you to use it, entirely because they're trying to leverage the desktop monopoly into the mobile market.

Re:I like Windows Phone (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029459)

This message brought to you by Redmond, WA.

Re:I like Windows Phone (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029635)

I didn't know 13.9% of Italian smartphone buyers lived in Redmond.

http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3421936/windows-phone-triples-uk-market-share-in-a-year/ [techworld.com]

Re:I like Windows Phone (0)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030097)

Not yet... The houses aren't finished.

Re:I like Windows Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030241)

in Italy MS also has employees & partners

Re:I like Windows Phone (1)

nadaou (535365) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031895)

In all fairness, different people have different tastes in things. One of the smartest guys I know is a unix expert but loves the "Bob" and Find-Puppy style features that Microsoft throws into their products. Do I understand it? No way, it completely baffles me, those things make my head hurt. Do I have to understand it? No way, whatever floats boats. As long as I'm not forced to use it, deal with it, or fix it, what do I care what others' taste in software or phones happens to be?

MS8 phone has two main things working against it: the legacy consumer memory of MS phones 1-7, and trying to compete with the feature set provided by the Apple and Play app stores. Both hurdles are huge, for the first they're going to have to drop the price to get people over the fence. For the second they're going to have to pay a lot of people a lot of money to port their apps to the MS environment. Even for a historically MS invested shop that's non-trivial as the interface and delivery envelope is totally different from the desktop. The toolkit and programming language are just details. (and guess what, all that .net know how is soon to be abandonware)

Compatibility with Google Play (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029555)

a Nokia Lumia running WP8 [is] compatible with everything else I already do and have.

Is this phone compatible with the priced applications, books, or movies that you purchased on Google Play Store when you owned the Nexus 4? (Or did you not own it long enough to buy any priced works?) Is it compatible with games whose developers have not yet ported them to Windows Phone 8?

Re:Compatibility with Google Play (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029577)

I didn't buy anything from the store. I generally only use free apps. I'm not a gamer on mobile devices; it's a lousy platform for the kinds of games I enjoy.

Re:Compatibility with Google Play (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029723)

So I get a -1 for being honest? Slashdot is bizarely anti-MS, anti-BSD, anti anything but Linux, Android, etc.

Re:Compatibility with Google Play (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031095)

So I get a -1 for being honest? Slashdot is bizarely anti-MS, anti-BSD, anti anything but Linux, Android, etc.

In a sane world it's crazy not to be anti MS. They've screwed the pooch too many times to merit anything else.

Re:Compatibility with Google Play (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033425)

Oh bullshit, that's just fanboy wanking. A SMART person uses the right tool for the job, and if that tool is BSD or Windows or iOS or whatever then fuck the fanboy bullshit and just use the right tool.

Case in point I won't say Win 8 is bad on a phone, i don't know as i haven't tried Win 8 on a phone or tablet yet, but I can say on the desktop its the WRONG tool for the job unless you are one of those 1% that have a touchscreen desktop or laptop. If you do have a touchscreen and only use your PC as a way to get to FB? I'm sure Win 8 would be just fine, but my customers don't have touchscreens so its right out.

If BSD, Solaris, Linux,OSX or Win 7 does the job for you, hell if win 8 does the job for you? Then just use it, but all this fanboy circle jerking frankly needs to come to a screeching halt. I mean is this Slashdot or Reddit?

Re:Compatibility with Google Play (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030133)

>Is it compatible with games whose developers have not yet ported them to Windows Phone 8?

Yes it is.

Well (-1, Redundant)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029425)

Microsoft partnership is like the kiss of death, at least in the mobile market.

Re:Well (0, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029467)

Is that why Motorola is struggling and still making huge losses after being bought up by Google?

Or is that why Samsung is making billions while still selling Windows Phones?

Or why Blackberry is suffering?

Or why Palm died after moving from Windows Mobile to WebOS?

Or why HTC and Sony are struggling after making flagship Android phones?

Stop with the stupid cherrypicking memes.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029601)

Ok.... Microsoft partnership is like A kiss of death in the mobile market..

There is always more than one way to fail...

Re:Well (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029645)

Samsung's been making Windows mobile and Windows phones since forever.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030277)

And Samsung is an absolutely massive company that could absorb the losses incurred by Windows Mobile | Phone at the time. Now with Android they are the number 1 or 2 ... depending on the analyst and the way the wind is blowing on the day ... smart phone manufacturer in the world.

Re:Well (1)

idunham (2852899) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029809)

Not to say that he isn't cherrypicking, but...
Samsung is primarily making non-windows phones and devices.
Blackberry had some sort of agreement with MS, I believe primarily related to Exchange compatability.
HTC makes a mix of windows and android phones.

The points you mention don't refute him as well as you hoped.

Re:Well (0)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030161)

Blackberry had some sort of agreement with MS, I believe primarily related to Exchange compatability.

Oh please, now you are cherry picking.

Look at who else did the exact same thing.

http://winsupersite.com/article/mobile-and-wireless2/microsoft-licenses-activesync-to-google [winsupersite.com]

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/03/06/apple-licenses-activesync-for-the-iphone/ [tuaw.com]

So why didnt the Blackberry kiss of death affect them?

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030195)

He did say "partnership" and not "licensing agreement". It's quite true that most of the mobile companies that did get into the "partnership" bed with Microsoft are now dead or shells of their former selves.

Re:Well (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033039)

Motorola who was already struggling, and has been for a long time...
Samsung who are making billions from Android devices, their windows phone sales are totally insignificant to them.
Blackberry who's primary product is dependent on microsoft (blackberry server is windows only, and also tied closely to exchange).
Palm were already dying on windows mobile, a platform with no future... HP killed webos without really pushing it properly.
HTC started off doing very well with android, and are now being killed by samsung... HTC also make windows based phones.

MS are ruthless and extremely arrogant, they have never had any qualms about stabbing their partners in the back when it suited them, and there's no reason to believe they won't do it again.

Re:Well (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029475)

Yup. The other manufacturers are looking at Nokia sink into the swamp, and have absolutely no desire to tie the WP8 anchor around their legs and jump in the shark-infested waters of Microsoft's "ecosystem" (a word rich in irony when compared to Apple's App Store and Google Play).

Re:Well (-1, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029673)

Nokia started making profits with Windows Phone 8.

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/01/10/nokia-sold-4-4-million-lumia-smartphones-in-solid-q4-2012-results-exceeded-expectations/ [thenextweb.com]

Googorola continues to make losses making Android phones.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57565253-94/motorolas-$353m-q4-loss-weighs-on-google-results/ [cnet.com]

Go figure, and get a clue.

Re:Well (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030165)

In all, total smartphone volumes in Q4 2012 were 15.9 million units – 9.3 million Asha full-touch ‘smartphones’, 4.4 million Lumia smartphones and 2.2 million Symbian smartphones.

Furthermore, Nokia notes, operating expenses came in lower than expected. That always helps.

Nokia also estimates that Nokia Siemens Networks has exceeded expectations for the fourth quarter of 2012.

It's pretty easy to exceed expectations if you keep your expectations low enough. Nothing in that article directly links Windows Phone 8 as being the reason for turning a small profit, although the $billion or so from Microsoft most certainly helped.

With 9.3 million Asha and 2.2 million Symbian sold at a profit vs. 4.4 million Lumia which are widely reported to be sold at a loss could have been enough to cover up the hole made by Lumia. Operating expenses lowered, by shedding staff and selling off capital like their headquarters, R&D centres and factories and NSN also bringing in some money.

Re:Well (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030293)

Nokia started making profits with Windows Phone 8.

Except that that article doesn't claim that Nokia is making a profit anywhere.

Re:Well (0)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030425)

Re:Well (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032401)

Except the profits came from the network equipment unit (Nokia Siemens Network) and dumbphones. WP smartphones are a big financial blackhole.

Go figure, and get a clue.

Re:Well (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033071)

No, read the article, their smartphone sales as a whole made a profit... A majority of those phones sold were the Asha series, which do not run windows, and a significant portion were also symbian based which again don't run windows.
And this was also over the holiday season, which is traditionally the most profitable quarter.

Smart decision (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029465)

Good for LG. MS already killed Nokia. They're better off jumping ship.

What the hell does that mean? (2)

nephilimsd (936642) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029479)

"Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia, which is considered in the industry first among equals when it comes to Microsoft partners, has some vendors reassessing their own support for the operating system." Is this supposed to read that Microsoft and Nokia are considered equals, and Microsoft is giving preferential treatment to that vendor? Or is it supposed to read that Nokia has been withdrawing support, and so other vendors are shying away too? Can someone please review these summaries before they get posted to ensure they make sense?

Re:What the hell does that mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029743)

The idea here is that all WP8 hardware manufacturers are intended to be equal, like with Android device manufacturers. The difference is thanks to their partnership, the flagship device is always a Nokia Lumia, making it difficult for other manufacturers to compete for the consumers who want a Windows Phone

Re:What the hell does that mean? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029761)

Yes, all eight of them.

Re:What the hell does that mean? (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030211)

>The idea here is that all WP8 hardware manufacturers are intended to be equal, like with Android device manufacturers.

Like Motorola? err... I mean Googorola.

Market positioning (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029501)

The high end of the smart phone market is occupied by Apple and Samsung. Thats where money is being made. I just bought a Huawei android phone for my son for 60 bucks. Screen resolution and storage are not fantastic but it is great value for money. My current LG phone competed with the Huawei. It is in the same market. Going upscale to compete with Samsung is unlikely to work for LG. Going down scale to compete with Huawei might be possible, but I wonder if they have the manufacturing muscle to pull it off.

Bottom line is the windows is a distraction right now.

Re:Market positioning (-1, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029709)

Finally, an insightful comment with a realistic assessment of the situation among the multitude of the bullshit anti-Microsoft posts.

Re:Market positioning (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030137)

You can't be new here.... this is slashdot, after all...

And for my money, Microsoft can burn in the 10th level of hell.... not for their phone OS, but for the fiasco they created in their abusive monopoly days. Just because they make an acceptable phone for some people doesn't erase the vomit-inducing tactics that got them to this "pinnacle of asshattery"....

Their phone OS might actually be good. I, and a percentage of the commenters on slashdot, don't care. :) Don't take it personally.

Re:Market positioning (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030857)

You don't use anything from IBM or AT&T either? Or is your memory too short?

Re:Market positioning (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031159)

IBM, nope. AT&T? Nope. Monopolies that abuse their power suck. This wasn't about IBM or AT&T.

WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029503)

http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/02/25/1747201/lg-acquires-webos-source-code-and-patents-from-hp

What is a "great relationship"? (2, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029525)

Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia

Like a parasite has a great relationship with its host...

Re:What is a "great relationship"? (1)

Threni (635302) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030003)

Or between politicians and journalists, which has described as being similar to that of a dog and a lamppost.

Re:What is a "great relationship"? (1)

bananaquackmoo (1204116) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030087)

But which is the parasite and which is the host?

Re:What is a "great relationship"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030937)

Elop is the parasite.

Captcha is "mistake". How fitting.

mod do3n (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43029537)

produCt, BSD's

Wrong title? (2)

toQDuj (806112) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029607)

Isn't it supposed to be "Windows 8 not working on LG devices"?

Still on my first $10 (4, Informative)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about a year and a half ago | (#43029661)

I bought an LG / Google Nexus 4 a while back. They're less than half the price of other top-end smartphones, unlocked and with no contract. I put a Platinumtel SIM in it with the $10 for 60 days GSM plan, and set it to restrict background data. The network is T-Mobile. After a month I'm still on the first $10, having of course made extensive use of wifi.

As far as I can tell, I have all of the smartphone benefits without much of the cost.

Re:Still on my first $10 (0, Offtopic)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030311)

It's cheap because Google subsidizes it with their monopoly search profits and tries to make it back on ads and spying on users.

There is no way that another OEM or standalone company can make a profit on it at that cost.

A Firefox OS or Ubuntu phone is much more open, unless they allow the carriers to mess them up.

That's why we have CyanogenMod (2)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030437)

Although I have not installed CyanogenMod on my Nexus 4, as I have on my Asus Transformer Infinity tf700, the option is available and I will probably eventually do so. I am installing nightlies every other day on the Transformer. I have the option not to use Google's services since I have control over the OS. IMO Google is selling the unit at parts cost, that's why it's from the Play store rather than another retailer. Obviously, not being locked in is always considered in my choice of hardware.

Re:Still on my first $10 (0)

21mhz (443080) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031973)

And there goes your troll moderation for insulting the One True Platform and its Creator.

Slashdot is getting ridiculous. Search for Windows Phone stories: notice any positive news reported elsewhere recently? Market share growing everywhere? Affordable Lumias giving cheapo Android phones the run for their money? Spotify getting their act together? No, but when one manufacturer decides they are not interested, stop the presses.

Simple matter of self-interest? (4, Insightful)

ace37 (2302468) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030059)

Despite the fact that this is Slashdot, I'm surprised at the number of upvoted anti-MS epithets. I don't see how this needs to have anything to do with the merits of the OS itself when a CEO with an MBA and a Blackberry could easily come to this conclusion on a purely business case.

Neutral phone hardware developers would perceive a small market that requires investment to pursue. Most likely, LG's expected market penetration isn't large enough to justify the investment. And for the cynics, LG could also assume that, to loosely paraphrase Animal Farm, all carriers are equal to MS, but Nokia is 'more equal,' barring antitrust suits. This creates an additional small interest in starving WP of revenue to keep Nokia out of the ring.

Sigh (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030355)

I like my Quantum, but it is aging. Unfortunately, there is a severe shortage of mid range or highend phones with physical slideout keyboards. I guess this means no Quantum 2

Good for LG (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030607)

Dear Microsoft,

Surely, you are joking!

We saw what happened to Nokia.

LG

LG's reluctance to embrace Windows? (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030623)

Who decided this deserved a whole free slashVertisment?

just to point out the obvious (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#43030699)

Nokia on Lumia is supply constrained. Given the numbers they are very likely to remain supply constrained until at least 2015.
HTC is currently supply constrained on the 8X. I don't know their future numbers.

Supply constrained is a good thing for a handset manufacturer.

Re:just to point out the obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030749)

Nokia on Lumia is supply constrained. Given the numbers they are very likely to remain supply constrained until at least 2015.

It very sad then, that not too long ago Nokia was able to pump out over 30 million handsets a quarter. Now, they're at 4.4 million a quarter and "supply constrained".

Re:just to point out the obvious (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#43031015)

Well in all fairness on the Ashas which are of comparable difficulty they can churn those out in unlimited quantities. The Lumia are a lot harder to make.

Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43030727)

They've even developed their own front-end UI for Android, I doubt they would throw out all of that in-house development to have the privilege of being inside Microsoft's "walled garden."

It's pretty clear where all of this is going, I don't see how Microsoft is going to survive it in the end -- their strategy seems to be something along the lines of "Apple's dominance over both hardware and OS is nice...we're going to legally and technically enforce the same thing on all PC's through UEFI. And we're going to do it with...an ass-backwards tablet UI for a desktop OS...plus accompanying hardware with...questionable design at best." If they want to lock people in, and it's obvious with UEFI that's what they want, why make it so easy to argue against going with Microsoft at all? It seems self-defeating.

Funny you mention LG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032387)

Slashdot's founding town of Holland, MI has a nice shiny LG battery production plant that was supposed to be making Volt batteries a long time ago but has not produced a single one, and the stimulus money was spent on paying employees to play games, work at charities, etc. while sitting mostly idle. It's pretty much another Solyndra. I wonder if there's bigger things going on in that company.

Microsoft and Nokia: trolling or just stupid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032623)

> Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia
> which is considered in the industry first among equals
> when it comes to Microsoft partners [...]

Ow, man... Are you trolling or just stupid?
Nokia is occupied by Microsoft and treated as their property.
Open your blind eyes and stop writing such lies.

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