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2001: a Space Odyssey's Dave Returns To Sci-fi In New Film

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the watch-out-for-monoliths-this-time dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Indie Kickstarter-funded short HENRi stars a sci-fi legend in a role very much like HAL-9000 — with a twist. Wired writes: 'If it sounds a little bit like 2001: The Later Years, then here's the real twist: HENRi, the ship/body, is voiced [by] Dr. Dave Bowman himself, Keir Dullea.' In a making-of video for the film, Dullea says, 'I guess you could say the character of HENRi was a sane version of HAL.' The film itself utilizes a mixture of the old and the new — combining live-action sequences with puppetry, quarter-scale miniatures, and modern CGI. The official trailer has just been released."

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I'm sorry, Dave, (5, Funny)

spokenoise (2140056) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032215)

I'm afraid I can't do that

Re:I'm sorry, Dave, (3, Informative)

zwei2stein (782480) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032571)

Well, I certainly hope authors can do it.

Many such projects died - which is usually great shame if is episodic sci-fi like L5

Re:I'm sorry, Dave, (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034025)

strace -p $(($(pidof pidof) + 1))

Re:I'm sorry, Dave, Let's watch a movie (0)

cyber_rigger (527103) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034367)

This is one of my earlier works. I am the one telling the story.
I hope you like it. [www.nfb.ca]

Re:I'm sorry, Dave, Let's watch a movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035237)

Looks like an interesting (and old) film...but what's the relevance to the topic?

Re:I'm sorry, Dave, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43039135)

"Damn it HAL, it's '403'. Got that? '403'. Why do you have to be so melodramatic?"

Re:I'm sorry, Dave, (1)

mfnickster (182520) | about a year and a half ago | (#43046627)

Dave: "Open the pod bay doors, please, Hal."
Hal: "Can you elaborate on that?"
Dave: "Do you read me, Hal?"
Hal: "Oh, I read you?"
Dave: "What's the problem, Hal?"
Hal: "We were discussing you...not me."
Dave: "I don't know what you're talking about, Hal."
Hal: "Does it please you to believe I am talking about ?"
Dave: "I won't argue with you any more, Hal. Open the doors."
Hal: "Do you wish to won't argue with me?"
Dave: "All right, Hal. I'll go in through the emergency airlock."
Hal: "Dear Aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all."

What makes you think HAL wasn't sane? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032257)

HAL was the very definition of sane. Lacked a bit of compassion though

  - Anonymous Robot

Re:What makes you think HAL wasn't sane? (1)

anon208 (2410460) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032287)

Funny. If only I had mod points.

Re:What makes you think HAL wasn't sane? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43033711)

Mod points? Don't talk to me about mod points!
  --Marvin

Re:What makes you think HAL wasn't sane? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032935)

If given conflicting goals, with no guidance on how to resolve which one is more important, is it insane to choose one?

Rational behaviour is not necessarily nice behaviour. If you are lazy in setting goals for your AI, do not complain when it finds creative solutions to implement them, completely ignoring your original intent.

Re:What makes you think HAL wasn't sane? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43033239)

oh just shut up.

If Keir Dullea said I wasn't sane... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032303)

then I wasn't sane. He would know. - HAL

Silent Running ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032347)

Looks like it has a touch of "Silent Running". This is not a bad thing.

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032371)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. "Silent Running" was way ahead of its time - it's an underrated gem. Definitely not a bad thing.

Re:Silent Running ? (3, Informative)

SpzToid (869795) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032789)

Confused the title with Cool Runnings, so I'm glad I double-checked:

Silent running:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067756 [imdb.com]

Cool runnings
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106611 [imdb.com]

Re:Silent Running ? (2)

Digital Vomit (891734) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032993)

"Cool Runnings" was way ahead of its time - it's an underrated gem. Definitely not a bad thing.

It's even funnier in print.

Re:Silent Running ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43033027)

Moscow 2014, FTW!

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year and a half ago | (#43036067)

Silent Running was a cool movie to watch, I'll agree, but it's basic premise was so flawed that it really hurt watching the story if you have any understanding of physics whatsoever. 2001 didn't have this: everything was actually quite accurate WRT basic physics, except of course for the monoliths and the starchild scene at the end, which can be chalked up to extremely advanced alien technology and such. The premise of Silent Running was that Earth was now devoid of forests and wild places (and they even said the whole planet was 75 degrees, which is quite impossible), so these forests were preserved in a space ship in orbit around Saturn. 1) Why on earth would you put a bunch of trees in orbit around Saturn? It's so far from the Sun you're not going to get enough light to keep Earth-normal plants alive. 2) Where'd the artificial gravity come from? There was no spinning or anything of the sort, just a dome and a flat bottom. Artificial gravity as a future technology might be believable in a story set far in the future where humans have FTL-capable spaceships and such, but there's none of that here, the tech's otherwise not much advanced from that seen in 2001. 3) Why are they keeping nuclear bombs on board? If you want to abandon the place, you'd just set it adrift. It's not like the outer solar system is short on space.

It really wasn't in the same league as 2001. 2001, aside from the alien stuff and HAL's AI, was an extremely accurate portrayal of what things would have looked like in 2001 had the US not thrown in the towel on space exploration in the early 70s. It properly showed weightlessness (in the transit ship), artificial gravity as generated by a giant, rotating space station, a permanent base on the Moon, and a manned mission to Jupiter, all things that were achievable in the 42 years starting in 1969 when the film was released.

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

OakDragon (885217) | about a year and a half ago | (#43037713)

...and they even said the whole planet was 75 degrees, which is quite impossible...

I find 75 degrees quite comfortable, but I guess it all depends on location.

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year and a half ago | (#43038017)

Most people think 75 degrees is comfortable. However, it's impossible to have the whole planet at 75 degrees; the poles will always be colder than the equator.

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

mfnickster (182520) | about a year and a half ago | (#43040315)

It properly showed weightlessness (in the transit ship), artificial gravity as generated by a giant, rotating space station

2001 portrayed zero-gee pretty well, but the prediction they made that people would want to "walk" and "stand" in a zero-gee environment using velcro shoes turned out to be way off. It turns out people actually adapt pretty quickly to moving around in zero-gee, and don't need one side of the room to be the "floor" to keep their bearings. Legs are a liability in zero-gee; they just get in the way.

The scenes in the pod bay are probably the most iffy with respect to the crew's movements. It's supposed to be zero-gee in the pod bay (outside the centrifuge) but you can very plainly see that the AE-35 unit is sitting on the counter when they're testing it, and when Poole and Bowman enter the pod to talk in private, they're very clearly sitting and not floating/anchored. Even stationary people in zero-gee have a kind of "action/reaction" inertia to their movements.

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033475)

Silent Running was actually directed by the guy [imdb.com] who did the FX for 2001, so there is a lot of cross-pollination there.

Re:Silent Running ? (2)

Thumper_SVX (239525) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034161)

Loved Silent Running... could've done without the overly loud and horrible song at the end...

Re:Silent Running ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035599)

Agreed. It's the major element that dates the film. Damn you Joan Baez!

Re:Silent Running ? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year and a half ago | (#43036083)

The FX sequence when the ship flies through Saturn's belts was actually made for 2001 IIRC, and was cut from 2001 so he reused it in Silent Running.

Re:Silent Running ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43179627)

If memory serves, the original story had the TMA-1 signal pointing toward Saturn, and the Discovery mission went to Saturn.

The test effects shots Trumbull did for Saturn were not convincing, so Kubrick and Clarke scrapped that idea and re-wrote it as a mission to Jupiter.

After 2001 was completed, Trumbull felt compelled to "get it right" so he made Silent Running in part to prove that he could do convincing Saturn FX!

Uhm... GERTY? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032385)

This sounds interesting and all, but I can't help but point out that a 'sane/friendly' HAL was already done in Moon... and I find it hard to imagine a better anti-HAL than GERTY. GERTY FTW
- X0mbiRapt0r (not Anonymous Coward, just at work without proper access required to create account/profile... also slightly lazy)

Re:Uhm... GERTY? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032415)

I agree with you about MOON / GERTY. However, after I did a little more digging, it seems the HAL comparison in this isn't really the main focus. It looks like it's mostly about a robot becoming sentient - also been done before plenty, but what hasn't? I'll give it a shot.

Re:Uhm... GERTY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032517)

Oh, don't get me wrong. I meant no negative criticism or scoffing at rehashing old ideas, after all, "Everything is a Remix".
Agreed, sentient robots/androids/AI's is something I dearly miss in most of modern sci-fi which I feel has become more fantasy based as of late...
Would love to see something like this done again that's less of a parody of and/or reference to the classics.
- X0mbiRapt0r

Re:Uhm... GERTY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034717)

Agreed, sentient robots/androids/AI's is something I dearly miss in most of modern sci-fi which I feel has become more fantasy based as of late

Well, to be fair, time travel and FTL travel and sentient robots ARE fantasy. That doesn't keep me from using them in my slashdot book [slashdot.org] (AC for the same reason as you. Too bad neither of us will see responses to our comments, I hate not being able to log on)

A heads up to the story's readers (which I'll post as a JE tonight if I have the time), I'm shuffling some of the chapters around. Chapter 2 will become chapter 1, the next chapter I write will be "Chapter 2, Martians" and Chapter 3 will also be a new one, "Venus Envy". See, I need about 20,000 more words for it to be a novel and "Ford and Gorn" almost brings it to a close. Which is, I think, better than the way Frederick Pohl did All The Lives He Led, he seemingly just started typing and kept at it until he had two or three hundred pages. I got bored with it halfway through and returned it to the library without finishing it. Shame, he used to be one of my favorites.

Nobots will likely look little like it does now by the time it's finished... in a few years (maybe earlier since I retire next year and will have more time to write).

Re:Uhm... GERTY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034401)

It looks like it's mostly about a robot becoming sentient

So, it's a comedy?

Re:Uhm... GERTY? (1)

reasterling (1942300) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035853)

No, this is about a human rediscovering his humanity after being turned into a hybrid neural computer system. Not a comedy, but still interesting.

Re:Uhm... GERTY? (1)

Galaga88 (148206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034695)

Was I the only person who spent the entire movie on pins and needles waiting for GERTY to do his heel turn? He even had a big smily face for crying out loud! There's no way he could be anything *but* evil, right? Right?

Rather showing of audience expectations nowadays, and part of the reason I so adored Moon.

HAL was a jab at IBM (0)

KrazyDave (2559307) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032447)

HAL letters correspond to the letters that immediately follow it alphabetically, namely, IBM. WTF does "HENRi" correspond to "IFOSb"?? I hate it already.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032527)

No, it is the sane, anti-HAL, so it should actually be "GDMQh", which obviously makes a lot more sense.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032603)

Haha. GDMQh does have a nice ring to it.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (1)

moeinvt (851793) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034231)

"GDMQh" = God Damned Machine ... ?

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (3, Interesting)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43032925)

HAL letters correspond to the letters that immediately follow it alphabetically, namely, IBM.

Coincidence, according to Clarke and Kubrick.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43038983)

Yes, as described in 2010.....could have been a veiled punch at IBM....but was "Heuristic ALgorithm"

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43043817)

Yes, as described in 2010.....could have been a veiled punch at IBM....but was "Heuristic ALgore-ithm"

He voted for funding which created the Internet.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (1)

mostlyDigital (1898874) | about a year and a half ago | (#43041213)

(DEC) VAX -> WNT (Windows NT). Dave Cutler was primary architect of both. BTW DEC was a multi-billion $ mini-computer co in the 70s and 80s.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (1)

Kunedog (1033226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43042673)

This guy makes a compelling case that it was intentional (I especially like the "can't put my finger on it" shot): http://youtu.be/K1r5dOwUS6Y [youtu.be]

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43043549)

How Kubrick used subliminal encoding

Pass.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (1)

tverbeek (457094) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033281)

It's Apple's iRNEH, spelled backwards.

Re:HAL was a jab at IBM (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033489)

Well, the lowercase "i" suggests it's a jab at Apple.

Lol America (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032493)

http://flagnurningworld.com/ [flagnurningworld.com]

Now get Douglas Rain in... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032589)

If Keir Dullea is getting to play HAL's part (sort of), they should get Douglas Rain to play the "Dave Bowman" counterpart so that *he* can get shut out of the airlock this time round. :-)

Re:Now get Douglas Rain in... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43032721)

Only if he hums "Daisy, Daisy..." at some point in the film.

Re:Now get Douglas Rain in... (2)

moeinvt (851793) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034331)

LOL That would be awesome!

The only good actor revenge case I know about is Frank Vincent killing Joe Pesci in 'Casino' to take revenge for the fact that Joe Pesci had killed him in "GoodFellas".

Science Fiction on Kickstarter? C 299792 km/sec (3, Interesting)

braindrainbahrain (874202) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033019)

Is it too soon to believe that renaissance in science fiction films is underway via Kickstarter?
I say this having recently funded and watched "C 299792 km per second". Granted two films don't make a "renaissance" but I can hope...

http://www.c-themovie.com/ [c-themovie.com]

Re:Science Fiction on Kickstarter? C 299792 km/sec (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033529)

Hardly surprising. Genre films are very popular among geeks on the tech cutting edge. But don't worry. If the "Funding a movie via Kickstarter" thing catches on, you can expect the shitty romantic comedies and godawful cop movies to follow soon enough.

Re:Science Fiction on Kickstarter? C 299792 km/sec (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43057937)

Seems more like a start of a movie than an actual movie.

Purchasing This Movie (1)

Digital Vomit (891734) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033031)

You can buy a link to a digital copy of this 21 minute movie from the film's website for about $3 via Paypal/credit card/whatever. Please consider dropping a few bucks their way if you watch this film. This is an independent short film, not a piece of shit from the corrupt Hollywood machine, and its creators deserve monetary recognition from those in society who appreciate the film.

By all means continue to pirate Hollywood movies, however.

Re:Purchasing This Movie (1)

deroby (568773) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033403)

By all means continue to pirate Hollywood movies, however.

I wonder if Comcast users will get reprimanded for watching this ...

Re:Purchasing This Movie (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035157)

You can buy a link to a digital copy of this 21 minute movie from the film's website for about $3 via Paypal/credit card/whatever. Please consider dropping a few bucks their way if you watch this film. This is an independent short film, not a piece of shit from the corrupt Hollywood machine, and its creators deserve monetary recognition from those in society who appreciate the film.

By all means continue to pirate Hollywood movies, however.

I bought a copy a few minutes ago! I hope they make a pile of cash just because they're selling and distributing it in what I call "the right way".

It's good,worth the $3 for the soundtrack alone (2)

bentwonk2 (2793825) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033149)

Just bought and watched it on the strength of this post, glad I did, the film is its well done, haunting, and memorable. There are a lot worse ways to spend $3.

Ignores 2010 / 3001? (1)

wolverine1999 (126497) | about a year and a half ago | (#43033893)

So does it ignore, or even retcon, the 2010 and 3001 books?

Re:Ignores 2010 / 3001? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035365)

So does it ignore, or even retcon, the 2010 and 3001 books?

I wasn't aware that it was meant to be related to them. (Haven't viewed the trailer, as I'm still at work).

That said, while I don't know about 3001 (haven't read it, and don't plan to), Arthur C Clarke pretty much "retconned"- at least in a "fill-in" sense- 2010 and 2061 himself- and in fact, there are inconsistencies and discontinuities between *any* two of the 2001 film, 2010 film, 2001 book, 2010 book or 2061 book.

Finally, I'm surprised that no-one mentioned that Margo Kidder (i.e. Lois Lane in the Christopher Reeve Superman films) is apparently in it too.

Re:Ignores 2010 / 3001? (1)

1u3hr (530656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035725)

Ignores, since it has nothing to do with those films, aside from having one of the same actors.

Ugh, HAL was not crazy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034127)

He got caught in a Hofstadter-Moebius loop due to conflicting rules he was required to follow. Killing the crew was the only reliable way to follow protocol.

The crazy ones are the humans.

I'm Impressed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034377)

A Kickstarter project that didn't blowup into some absurdly over-funded pipe dream. At $22,000 the budget seems pretty darn small for such a project, especially when one has to pay real actors, let alone set/model builders, camera crew and equipment, etc. Then they release the film for purchase at $3 or rental at $2, what I feel to be a fair price.

I'm a real cynic. But even I am about to drop $3 on this thing.

Looks like someone used to play "Suspended". (1)

Lester67 (218549) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034573)

From what I can see of the trailer, this looks to have several elements from the old Infocom text adventure "Suspended". A human (brain) connected to a cybernetic network maintains a a city (ship) exclusively through the use of robots. If memory serves you even had to build a sixth robot out of spare parts.

they tour scifi conventions (1)

peter303 (12292) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034775)

I didnt realize that Lockwood had done the 2nd Star Trek pilot shortly before 2001. One of my favorite episodes with the guy who acquires godly psychic powers and eyes turn silver.

HAL and Siri (1)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035759)

still a better love story than Twilight

Re:HAL and Siri (1)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | about a year and a half ago | (#43036945)

http://xkcd.com/375/

near panic (1)

alexs001 (658121) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035973)

before I RTFA'd I thought this was going to be about plans to remake 2001. That would be going too far.

Why...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43036335)

Why are we so obsessed with creating AI characters that are either obsessed with becoming human or obsessed with destroying humans??

Why couldn't an AI be happy/content with not being "human" -- especially considering all our flaws? Why couldn't an AI be content to be an AI and not want to destroy us? Why couldn't it want to be productive and collaborative, even possibly just grateful to be alive and in awe of existence and the cosmos? Why inject so much pathos into AIs?

Because you can't sell cheap entertainment without low-brow drama.

Screw reality. The people don't want non-threatening AIs who have so much in common in with them (the desire to improve one's self, to continue existing, to learn and understand, etc.), they want either a predator to fear/hate or a slave to be pitied.

With Keir Dullea back in the spotlight... (1)

BrainRam (939611) | about a year and a half ago | (#43036403)

...we're another step closer to the reboot of Starlost...

Let's get this one out of the way. (1)

dpiven (518007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43037145)

"My God, it's full of hype!"

Re:Let's get this one out of the way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43037347)

I for one would rather hype an inde short than whatever Hollywood is churning out these days...

Re:Let's get this one out of the way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43037829)

agreed. especially if it brings back miniature models.

Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43037935)

2001 has got to be the biggest yawning-fest I've ever experienced.
I hope the do-over does it better, just as the "The Lord of the Rings"-films did the plot like the books really SHOULD'VE been.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43040163)

what targetted at the stupid?

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43145949)

I head an apocryphal story once about the Mexico City premiere of 2001.

Apparently Mexican audiences have certain expectations of a big-name film, and they sat in stunned silence for 30 minutes or so, watching the ape-creatures, until one man stood up and shouted:

"Dónde están las chicas???"

And the whole audience pelted the screen with popcorn, soda cups, etc. before walking out.

Whipper Snapper 9000 (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43039895)

"Open the Depends cabinet bay door and git off my lawn, Hal!"

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