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China Says It Is the Target of US Hack Attacks

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the don't-worry-it's-just-1s-and-0s dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Officials at the Chinese Defense Ministry say hackers from the U.S. have been attacking Chinese military websites. 'The sites were subject to about 144,000 hacking attacks each month last year, two thirds of which came from the U.S., according to China's defense ministry. The issue of cyber hacking has strained relations between the two countries.' This follows recent hacks from people in China on high-profile U.S. sites, as well as a report accusing the Chinese government of supporting a hacking group. '[Defense Ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng] called on U.S. officials to "explain and clarify" what he said were recent U.S. media reports that Washington would carry out "pre-emptive" cyber attacks and expand its online warfare capabilities. Such efforts are "not conducive to the joint efforts of the international community to enhance network security," he said.'"

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Big surprise (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034055)

US government & corporate groups are hacking too. I cant wait for the "blah blah no proof" bullshit next.

Re:Big surprise (-1, Troll)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034203)

They're taking a page from the 9/11 playbook.
At least with cyber-terrorism they aren't killing their own citizens to rally support.

Re:Big surprise (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034319)

I'm sure it's a great consolation to be killed by your own government rather than someone else's.

Re:Big surprise (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035013)

US government & corporate groups are hacking too. I cant wait for the "blah blah no proof" bullshit next.

More likely that the Chinese count every spam email as "hack attack".

About time. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034057)

About time. And preemptive my ass. China has been making state-orchestrated cyber attacks for years now. There's a war in cyberspace, did they just think the U.S. wouldn't show up?

Re:About time. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034145)

So it's wrong when they do it but not when the US does it, is that what you're saying?

Re:About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034329)

Yes, you pick sides.

Re:About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034435)

In grade school.

Re:About time. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034601)

No, in real life outside of liberal art college where everything is abstract, the truth is subjective, and we're all one happy global community of free thinkers (damn I have to go wash my mouth out now).

No matter how much people think we are capable of rising above war, selfishness, ambition, pride, arrogance, etc the fact is that we all have those elements. They are embedded in our DNA. I happen to believe it was because of the fall, but regardless of how it happened I think anyone who is honest with themselves knows that what I'm saying is true. If you think you've risen above it, it's only because you've turned a blind eye to your true nature. Knowing that, and that the Chinese people are every bit as bent on world domination as we are, I'm going to go ahead and side with the guys whose soil I happen to be standing on.

Re:About time. (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035095)

And given this argument is between ACs, we are free to picture the argument as between which ever individuals we wish. A gradeschooler is arguing with a liberal college dropout?

Re:About time. (5, Insightful)

kilfarsnar (561956) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035123)

No, in real life outside of liberal art college where everything is abstract, the truth is subjective, and we're all one happy global community of free thinkers (damn I have to go wash my mouth out now).

No matter how much people think we are capable of rising above war, selfishness, ambition, pride, arrogance, etc the fact is that we all have those elements. They are embedded in our DNA. I happen to believe it was because of the fall, but regardless of how it happened I think anyone who is honest with themselves knows that what I'm saying is true. If you think you've risen above it, it's only because you've turned a blind eye to your true nature. Knowing that, and that the Chinese people are every bit as bent on world domination as we are, I'm going to go ahead and side with the guys whose soil I happen to be standing on.

I believe it was Henry Ford who said that whether you think you can or cannot do something, you're right. I think your description may describe the world and humanity as they currently exist. But it forecloses the ability to improve. By resigning ourselves to a future of tribalism, and the chauvinism and hypocrisy that it brings, we miss the opportunity to realize that the boundaries of the tribe are arbitrary. We decide who is in the tribe an who is out. We could expand the tribe to include all of humanity. Or we can reduce it to our own neighborhood. It's up to us, not embedded in our DNA. We reap what we sow, and we get the world we choose.

Re:About time. (1)

DynamoJoe (879038) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034535)

It's wrong to do it. It's more wrong to NOT do it.

Re:About time. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034561)

I'm saying when you hit me in the nose, and then do it again, and then do it again, then yes, it's okay when I hit you in the nose.

Re:About time. (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034587)

So it's wrong when they do it but not when the US does it, is that what you're saying?

That depends. Self-defense is not wrong, so if the US is doing it in self-defense, then yes. Since we know the Chinese have been launching attacks against the US for many years now, it seems likely that the US is in fact doing it in self-defense, so yes, it is OK when the US does it but not when they do it. Ideally, neither one would do it, but in the case of war the aggressor is in the wrong (barring any other extenuating circumstances, like the defender attacking it's neighbors, or committing genocide).

Re:About time. (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034789)

Self defense? He started it! No, he started it! No I didn't! Yes you did! It's the stuff of children.

In Britain, we used to have a "War Office". in 1947 they changed that to "The Ministry of Defence". They still do the same thing. It's words. Propaganda.

If you honestly think when China does hacking it's attack, and when the USA does it it's defense, you've fallen for the propaganda.

Do you know what real defense to hacking looks like? It looks like like patching up vulnerabilities. It looks like using better encryption. It looks like not connecting things to the internet that don't need to be connected to it.

Re:About time. (0)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034937)

Self defense if protecting yourself, by building using better firewalls, isolating critical systems, using software with fewer exploits, etc. Hacking China does nothing to protect the US.

Re:About time. (1, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034975)

So, it's impossible for you to believe the US drew first blood? You know, like in Central/South America, Africa, and the Middle East? Well, okay, the last two are more of a European adventure, but there are very few cases where the US can cry 'self defense'.

Re:About time. (1)

Jawnn (445279) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035041)

So it's wrong when they do it but not when the US does it, is that what you're saying?

Who said that? If you want to argue that war is wrong, fine. I agree, but please, don't even try to suggest that overtly hostile activity, sponsored by a foreign state's military, is not deserving of, at least, response-in-kind. As the GP pointed out, this is a war.

Re:About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035137)

So it's wrong when they do it but not when the US does it, is that what you're saying?

I don't see anything in the OP that would support that assertion.

More to the point, if you are attacked, is it wrong to retaliate? Naturally, some would make an argument that all agressive acts are wrong, no matter the provocation, but that is just not a realistic stance when you're talking about nation-states.

Any nation with sufficient resources and international interests (USA, UK, Israel, Russia, China, and probably most other Western and Eastern European countries) is probably actively engaged in spying, including computer penetration, against their international adversaries. That's the way things are, and have always been.

The alternative is a hot war. Personally, I like this option much better.

Re:About time. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034413)

About time. And preemptive my ass. China has been making state-orchestrated cyber attacks for years now. There's a war in cyberspace, did they just think the U.S. wouldn't show up?

So has the USA. More facets of the Stuxnet story are slowly being unearthed and it now appears the thing was already under intense development in 2005 [arstechnica.com] . It makes one wonder how widespread this kind of thing really is and how early the various intelligence services started doing it... Post 9/11? In the early 90s? Stuxnet was a pretty sophisticated piece of kit, especially in 2005. It makes these Chinese hack and snatch attacks look a bit crude. Stuxnet was only discovered when the spooks tried to make it 'more aggressive' to increase the infection rate and found out that it's really easy to make it too aggressive and when that happens and your spyware starts infecting civilian computers in large numbers you also blow the lid off the operation.

Re:About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034801)

FUCK CHINA !!!! A bunch of needle dick nerds that steal American ideas. We should do all we can to destroy them.

Re:About time. (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034859)

If you seriously think that West hasn't done several times more of the same long before China clued in, I have land on the moon to sell you.

But we're also much better at propaganda. It's valuable to scream "I'm a victim" on every corner after you've beaten the shit out of someone much weaker then you who doesn't know that he's supposed to vocally complain. That's one of the things that East really loses in - they are afraid to lose face so they don't complain. As a result it starts to look like they're the ones on offensive. Our culture just works much better with modern propaganda.

Re:About time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035135)

I'm surprised you can even say 'about time'. I would honestly be shocked if they haven't been attempting to (or likely succeeding in as well) hacking China as well as dozens of other countries databases for years.

I mean seriously, this is quite possibly one of the most corrupt times in US history. Do you REALLY think that they haven't been hacking the living shit out of everything under the sun until just now?

On the contrary... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034075)

...this kind of stuff will absolutely enhance network security. It's geopolitical stability that's in danger in the long term. But if we didn't destroy ourselves with nukes during the cold war, I think we'll come out of this one okay too.

Re:On the contrary... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034263)

If by "enhance" you mean "lock down" then yes.

In 5 years the internet will be a VERY different place, citizen.

Really? (5, Informative)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034079)

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034177)

That looks like the start screen of an arcade game.

Re:Really? (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034509)

Oh, that page is a game, see the two old guys posing as Officials?. Your mission is to show them how to turn the Computer on by moving their fingers to the location of the Power button.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034365)

Oh, don't be silly. As everyone who posts on Slashdot knows, the US government — the military in particular — is full of nothing but complete morons who couldn't understand technology any more advanced than a ball-point pen used to sign checks written to them by lobbyists. Hell, the rest of the world agrees! The US is just a bunch of undereducated assholes with guns who bomb the shit out of anything that remotely threatens their oil! How could they POSSIBLY be behind these attacks? You're just talking nonsense!

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034889)

I wonder what basic training is like for the cyber command?

If I had to guess I'd assume it consists of nothing but red bull, gummy bears and call of duty modern warfare 3 without sleep for a week.

Me Too - Too Late (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034083)

Yea, whatever China.

Next you're gonna tell me that your dad can beat up my dad.

Re:Me Too - Too Late (2)

Antipater (2053064) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034547)

George Washington could TOTALLY beat up Mao Zedong.

Pot, meet kettle... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034085)

Sorry, can't find it in me to feel at all sorry for them.

Re:Pot, meet kettle... (1)

magarity (164372) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034385)

Indeed; this is definitely a case of needing to call the Waaambulance.

Re:Pot, meet kettle... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034827)

So "your" saying they had a lollerskating accident?

Re:Pot, meet kettle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035067)

No, it was a ROFLcopter crash. It was terrible!

Re:Pot, meet kettle... (1)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034445)

That is the exact same thing I thought. It's kind of like Apple claiming someone else is patent trolling or Microsoft claiming someone else is engaging in anti competitive practices.

Good way to mess up economic growth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034093)

Way to go us and china

Tor Nodes (2, Funny)

dfn5 (524972) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034103)

U.S. claims Tor nodes were running on their machines and so not responsible.

Ooooh Website attacks (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034149)

While China continues to loot the US.

Re:Ooooh Website attacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034281)

From TFA: "Mandiant said that Unit 61398 was believed to have "systematically stolen hundreds of terabytes of data" from at least 141 organisations around the world. "

Re:Ooooh Website attacks (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034379)

Did they manage to recover any of it?

Re:Ooooh Website attacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034459)

From TFA: "Mandiant said that Unit 61398 was believed to have "systematically stolen hundreds of terabytes of data" from at least 141 organisations around the world. "

Sounds impressive but I bet most of it was garbage.

Re:Ooooh Website attacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034511)

If I pay them a few bucks, can I get my server backup?

Re:Ooooh Website attacks (1)

biodata (1981610) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035025)

Ohnoes how will we ever get it back?

Re:Ooooh Website attacks (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035075)

How did that get modded up? It's the banks that are looting the US, with China's elite enjoying some of the spoils. National boundaries do not apply.

What if.. (3, Interesting)

houbou (1097327) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034153)

If the US is under cyber attack from China and China is under cyber attack from the US.. Anybody ever thought that maybe it's a 3rd party group doing the work? spoofing IPs? etc.. Sheesh.

Re:What if.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034499)

Yea, China is hacking themselves through US servers.

Re:What if.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034677)

Haha! No one ever expects the Danes!

I typed that and hit submit, didn't I? Well, time to go into hiding until I can find a new Evil Genius, maybe there's a competant one in Sri Lanka...

Re:What if.. (1)

Rob Riggs (6418) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034709)

Anybody ever thought that maybe it's a 3rd party group doing the work? spoofing IPs? etc.. Sheesh.

Really? Do you think that the IPs have not been spoofed? The hard part is tracking down the source of the attacks through all the various agents running on infected hosts -- and finding the sources that do not originate from an IP. Besides, what is the point of doing that? What do you think is the strategic goal of such a scenario?

Re:What if.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034977)

They are not going to spoof IPs, too hard and it's not really worth it (they are used for routing, so to do it right you have to hack the routers and/or spoof the ARP tables [not sure how well that works on the backbone routers]). Why do that when you can just buy access to 200 comprimised chinese (or american) machines for a few bucks and proxy your stuff through all of them, then the IP is real and your enemy has to hack all the machines to trace it back to you, which is far far more difficult than the method you used to get access to them.

Re:What if.. (4, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035227)

Anybody ever thought that maybe it's a 3rd party group doing the work? spoofing IPs? etc.. Sheesh.

Or maybe they hacked our Internets and burned down our firewall? Seriously, IP spoofing is not as useful as the movies make it out to be.

Spoofing IPs is easy, but it's only effective in a few situations, such as when you're sending a message with no expectation of a reply (e.g. spam e-mail, DDoS attack, etc.). If you're trying to break into someone's system, you need to be able to get a response back, and that means providing an IP address you can be reached at to your target. Now, you may try to anonymize your IP address somehow, such as through the use of proxies, VPNs, and other such technologies that can allow you to hide behind or within someone else's system, or you may spoof an IP address of a zombie computer you control and can use to route return packets to you, but at some point, an IP address you control needs to be provided to someone else, otherwise you have no way of getting back a response, and that address can be traced.

Honesty.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034167)

I say the U.S should just come out and say, "yep we are hacking you"..

Re:Honesty.... (1)

ak3ldama (554026) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035117)

The US should come out and give a full explanation of their cyber warfare policies and practices. When should anything be taking place? Would we need to be at war? Are the practices "meant" to just be defensive in nature? The citizens and businesses that are online are thus affected by the actions the military takes part in - we have a need to know. Typical warfare is seen. It is in the "public" eye. This is not - unless they setup some honey pots and proved what happens. That. Would. Be. Awesome. (For either side to do and expose.)

World is changing (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034171)

This is a pretty good option for small nations who want to get back at larger ones.

Step 1: buy server time with bitcoin from someone in China
Step 2: hack some highly visible US companies with basic java exploits.
Step 3: stand back and watch them hack each other for the next 10 years with professional grade stuff.

dumb mistake, China (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034183)

You never let your military directly comment on the country's network security You're supposed to let "independent" security firms within your country make the assessments/accusations! Gives you plausible deniability when they're exposed for hyping a "cyberwar" in order to land lucrative government/commercial contracts for their services.

Here comes the APT thing once more (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034189)

zomg lots of "APT" here and "APT" there coming again.

Because it needs to be aknowleged: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WMD

======
1.Weapons of Mass Destruction--A mythical concept that lives in the minds of paranoid, old, white guys and is used to scare the public and gather support for attacking another country.
(also see bogeyman)
2.A term used to generate income for Haliburton.
3.Something that the US is permitted to own, but reserves the right to determine which other countries may also own them.

If we can convice Americans that Iraq has WMDs, we can kick the snot out of them and pay Haliburton to rebuild the place.
=====

Re:Here comes the APT thing once more (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034249)

I hear that this shadowy group "Ubuntu" is heavily involved with APT.

Off Topic: Did Slashdot update the site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034197)

I used to be able to scroll down to the bottom of the page and it would automatically load the next page of stories. Now, I have to press Next.

I was messing with the settings. So, perhaps I changed a setting I shouldn't have.

Is there a setting that will change all options back to default?

Only 144,000 a month.... (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034247)

for a typical point of entry, that's usually a daily total, guess the US is not trying hard enough.

How Chinese... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034303)

Always copying others' innovations. "They attack U.S.!" "Now THEY attack US!"

Moooommm, they're doing it toooooooo! (3, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034359)

Don't make me have to stop this car and separate you two!

Re:Moooommm, they're doing it toooooooo! (1)

jadv (1437949) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034927)

Don't make me have to stop this car and separate you two!

So if USA and China are the children, who is the mother? (ducks for cover)

Re:Moooommm, they're doing it toooooooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035167)

The public.

"military websites" (5, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034383)

hackers from the U.S. have been attacking Chinese military websites.

Wake me up when the U.S. military is hacking Chinese civilian/banking computers or trying to SSH into everything.

Nothing is off limits for military (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034815)

Wake me up when the U.S. military is hacking Chinese civilian/banking computers or trying to SSH into everything.

I forecast that you're not going to be getting much sleep.

If you think that the US military treats civilian websites in other countries as out of bounds for their well-funded hacking, you're very naive indeed.

China and U.S. hacking one another (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034417)

Didn't Prohias have a cartoon series about this?

Digital Mongols? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034423)

What about this so-called "Great Firewall"

Re:Digital Mongols? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035109)

It's great!

war? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034447)

the war already started and nobody knows?

China suing US (5, Funny)

Grayhand (2610049) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034463)

They're claiming an original art patent on spying on foreign governments using hackers.

Big Difference (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034489)

Even if this were true (and all signs point that it's just a knee-jerk reaction by China), what the Chinese are reporting is attacks against their military infrastructure from US IPs. This is way different than what the NYT and Mandiant claim the Chinese are doing which is leveraging the capabilities of it's cyber army (god I hate that term) against private corporations for the betterment of it's government controlled businesses.

That's a huge difference. Yes the US is probably targeting the Chinese army but it sure as heck isn't specifically targeting Huawei and giving the information over to Cisco.

Seriously China, grow up.

Re:Big Difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034679)

What for? THEY are doing it right. What is the point of hack the hell of your adversary if you are not going to take full advantage of it?

Captcha: worriers

Re:Big Difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034881)

Why would Cisco (et. al.) want their own source code back? They already have it...

Re:Big Difference (1)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034985)


while(!done) {
      string usIPAddress = addressList[random.Next(addressList.Length)];
      logFile.WriteLine(usIPAddress + ": connection established.. blah blah blah");
      done = logFile.Length == 144000;
}

PresentLogFileAsProof(logFile);

Re:Big Difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035141)

That's a huge difference. Yes the US is probably targeting the Chinese army but it sure as heck isn't specifically targeting Huawei and giving the information over to Cisco.

You know, statements like that are precisely of the sort that makes me believe it probably is happening. I mean, if there's a serious fear that Chinese telecommunication equipment companies may be installing backdoors in their firmware and outright cloning Cisco hardware to get around the "buy Cisco cause it's safe", what's to really make you think that the US military wouldn't commission Cisco or another company to clone Huawei hardware and try to infiltrate China under the same scheme which would potentially entail hacking Huawei to get detailed specs on the hardware?

Having said all that, the small point to be said is, it may not be the US military doing the work. It'd seem more likely to be the CIA. But, that's a rather moot point.

We really need cajones in this country (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034543)

We need a leader who is willing to quote Kang saying "You've committed a wanton act of war!"

Seriously, what is it going to take before people in our government are willing to publicly accuse China of acts of war?

Re:We really need cajones in this country (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034735)

Do you think you'd benefit (as in you, personally) from a war against China?

Re:We really need cajones in this country (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034849)

what is it going to take before people in our government are willing to publicly accuse China of acts of war?

A Cyber Force that can be used to spread around as much pork as any of our current military services. Make the Cyber Force separate from the rest of the military just as the air force was separated from the army, and have them issue some multi-billion dollar cost plus contracts with subcontractors in at least 48 states. Then we'll have a cyber war!

One thing you can say for America is that we've always had an equitable split amongst the services. Afghanistan and Iraq were mostly army and air force operations. Of course the navy managed to get involved even with a war in a land locked country like Afghanistan. A few carrier sorties, some SEAL's, and of course the marines (though their association with the navy seems to be more a legality than a reality). Still, the navy felt left out, so it's now their turn with the "pivot to Asia". What better place to use those floating thingies the navy is so fond of than the site of their last great glory, the Western Pacific? How much ordinance do you think we can expend over some uninhabited rocks and intimidated fishing boats?

Re:We really need cajones in this country (2)

jadv (1437949) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034981)

You mean, the USA needs drawers? Like, they have a lot of wardrobes or cupboards but no drawers on them? I believe the word you are looking for is COJONES.

US response (1)

Caledfwlch (1434813) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034563)

The US could respond by saying the Chinese "lacked technical proof" and was "not based on fact." but they could be accused of breaking copyright!

YAWN (3, Interesting)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034619)

Wake me when American military hackers are targeting Chinese civilians.

What's probably happened, is that they got all butthurt at being found out for the criminal hacking and economic espionage, went rummaging through their logs, found a ping sweep from some US IP and said "we're morally equivalent to you, we get hacked too".

The Red Chinese *still* come across as idiots and piss-weak Third World losers. That hasn't changed in the slightest.

Re:YAWN (1)

bmacs27 (1314285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034919)

That's because they are. They pretend like they are holding the cards, but they're clinging to power by a thread. We have so many pressure points we haven't even touched. Maybe we ought to have the leaders of Tibet or Taiwan over for a drink, and maybe sell our island friends some new subs. Or, we could give Japan some islands. We could label the commies a currency manipulator and slap tariffs on all their cheap third world crap. Better yet, let's just let their people surf the internet and read about their cancer cities, or anemic military. We'll see how long they can live off an economy of glorified prison labor when their people know they're prisoners, and we stop buying their $hit. I'd say let's hack them and steal secrets, but then we'd just be photocopying a photocopy of our stuff. There's no fun in that.

Re:YAWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43035035)

Those "piss-weak Third World losers" are eating our economic breakfast. I have to give China credit, though it sure doesn't hurt that our "American" MNC's and their political lackeys bend over backwards to give it away.

De-escalation (1)

elerran (1001939) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034643)

From world war to cold war to cyber war. Can't say I don't like the trend...

How much of that is freelance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034667)

Let's face it, enough china controlled IP addresses are the origins of malicious behavior on the internet that the hacking targeted at China from the US doesn't all necessarily have to come from military actions. There's been more than one time I've thought about retaliating against repeat offenders myself but know I'm not good enough to do so without either getting caught or making things worse. As I have more self control than most I find it difficult to believe that others have not given in to the urges for cyber vengeance.

This invisible war has been going on for a while and I doubt that the governments and their soldiers are the only people waging it.

Idea.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034711)

Here's an idea, don't put anything worth stealing on said website.

File that under "duh, what did you expect?" (1)

f00zbll (526151) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034733)

Anyone that has a vague understanding of breaking into systems knows it's happening all over the world. It's not a question of "is government A attacking other governments?" The real question is "what data has been stolen and who is tightening their security to keep sensitive data safe?" You'd have to be a moron to think it's not happening.

We need Ronald Reagan (1)

bmacs27 (1314285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034739)

"Tear down this firewall."

Typical chinese propaganda strategy (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034743)

The point of this announcement is to distract from the criticism they are receiving for launching hack attacks by painting a picture of everyone does it. So whether its true or not they would make this claim. I would believe they are receiving hack attacks from the US, but 2/3rds of them having a US origin sounds suspicious.

You steal! (1)

Arkiel (741871) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034767)

New evidence recently uncovered indicates the first digital computer was developed under the leadership of Chairman Mao during the Long March. Recent academic publishings out of China claim modern hacking techniques are mere derivations of mathematical techniques pioneered in ancient China, during the Quing Dynasty. And also, they made Alien.

Of course we are (1)

dsvick (987919) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034779)

Yep, the US government is hacking the Chinese military in order to steal all their valuable, state of the art, highly effective, totally awesome ..... oh who am I kidding. It went like this.

US government: We need you to hack in to the Chinese military and steal all their secrets.
Hacker: Sure thing, I'll get right on it.
.... a few weeks later ....
Hacker: Here you go, there was quite bit there but I got it all.
US Government: perfect, you've done your country a great service ..... ahhh, wait a minute ....
Hacker: what?
US Government: You hacked the wrong country, these are all our military files ... in fact, you got the wrong decade, these are all really old.
Hacker: Dude, it was from China, it was all right there in the folder named "R sekret stuf that we didnt get from noone else", behind the folder labeled "Taiwan Invasion plans"
US Government: Ok, well, errr thanks, I guess we have nothing to worry about.

Re:Of course we are (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034989)

Nothing to worry about? Our old stuff worked!

Not just China vs US, Everybody vs Everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034791)

When it comes to countries of the world that happen to have internet connections, it turns out that pretty much everybody is hacking everyone else. Maybe not all of it is government sanctioned, but if you were to argue that it wasn't happening you'd be lying.

So the point is?

Instead of whining about it and expecting somebody to do something to make it stop, make sure to implement good security on anything that comes in contact with the internet. If you don't like that you can always GTFO and stay offline or build your own separate isolated network.

Robber Barons (1)

tylikcat (1578365) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034829)

Behind this is the larger problem that we have no particular way of resolving international disputes on the internet. The net maps poorly to international boundaries. And if national law on hacking is young, clunky and often pretty awful, effect international action is pretty much nonexistent.

Re:Robber Barons (1)

bmacs27 (1314285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43034993)

You can still apply pressure to states in order to squelch state sponsored overt theft. That's the benefit of spending all that scratch on things that go boom, and building international alliances with other developed nations. China lacks those advantages.

China IS the enemy of the US. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43034997)

The Chinese are not like Westerners. Look at the dry wall
contaminated with industrial waste. Look at the pet food
contaminated with melamine. These people are scum and
have no morals or ethics.

Mark my words, the US will wish it had nuked China into
oblivion when it had the chance.

Obviously it was SPECTRE (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43035103)

They got us shooting at each other.

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