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The Raspberry Pi Turns One

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the leap-year-birth-means-it's-only-point-two-five dept.

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hypnosec writes "The Raspberry Pi turned one yesterday. Raspberry Pi was first launched on 29 February 2012 in the UK and it was received with a huge amount of enthusiasm by students and researchers alike. The Pi has had quite an eventful year, with researchers building a Raspberry Pi cluster; release of an official turbo mode patch; a 512 MB RAM upgrade; the launch of a Pi Store; sales of over a million units; and release of the Minecraft Pocket Edition."

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Useless story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052715)

Another useless story on Slashdot. Why aren't more people talking about more important things, like, oh, I don't know... Obama being blackmailed by the TSA!? [slashdot.org]

Re: Another useless story on Slashdot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052771)

Fuck off !!!

Obsolete Processor (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052725)

Single core ARMv6. Please upgrade.

Re: Obsolete Processor (4, Insightful)

YukariHirai (2674609) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052777)

"Cheap" was a higher priority for the project than "powerful" or "up-to-date". For its intended use, and many secondary uses, it's perfectly adequate.

Re: Obsolete Processor (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052805)

It's not an obsolete processor. It's a SoC designed for a VERY specific use case - a media player.

It's got a top-notch GPU with video decode and 3D graphics (VideoCore 4), making it ideal for media playback. Broadcom threw a lowly ARM core there to handle thee UI and other tasks (like the care and feeding of the VC4 - from network, USB, or other sources of media). For that, you don't need a high end processor, but by integrating the two, a media player only needs a single chip solution that's cheap. No need to add an external processor that would probably be overpowered for the purpose, then need to handle multiple power rails and memory and other things.

It's a very purpose build ASIC. That's why it's cheap - it was designed for a media player that costs $99 retail like a Roku or AppleTV or other media box. It's got a powerful GPU to handle the video, and a lightweight ARM to handle UI, and feeding the media to the GPU.

It's also why it can be a dog-slow processor that can still do impressive graphics at 1080p or play video at 1080p.

Re: Obsolete Processor (5, Interesting)

Kingston (1256054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052931)

Here is something surprising I read on the Raspberry PI blog yesterday, according to a Broadcom engineer called Dom Cobley, talking about Eben Upton the originator of the Raspberry Pi project:

"The ARM was snuck into 2835 as a bit of skunkworks from Eben, who had these wild ideas about the general public being able to buy a breakout board for our chip and program it themselves. Sounded great to me, but far-fetched."

You are right about the chip, the Roku 2 media players all use the Broadcom BCM2835.

Re: Obsolete Processor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43054341)

Wouldn't surprise me at all that it might be true, after all the actuall boot is handled BY videocore, which initializes and boots the ARM which implies to me that the ARM really wasn't necessary for simple settop boxes at all. I just wish that they'd've put in at least a slightly more modern ARM design. It can't possibly affect cost all that much as I just bought a 16GB nexus 4 for $350, which comes with a helluvalot more expensive components than a Pi...

Re: Obsolete Processor (1)

YukariHirai (2674609) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053233)

Huh. I hadn't thought about that. I was more or less under the impression that it was just an older SoC, but was always a bit puzzled by the inclusion of a hardware video decoder. It actually makes perfect sense that it turns out to be the other way round and they're just re-purposing a media-oriented SoC.

Re:Obsolete Processor (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052915)

Goddamn, you piece of shit. It was made to do a certain set of functions, not run god-all-programs under the sun like some OC'd to 8ghz 8-core AMD.

Low digit IQ. Please upgrade.

Re:Obsolete Processor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053343)

Breathe in, breathe out. No need for profanity. The processor is dog slow. You can put lipstick on a pig and add a reasonably fast graphics core to an old CPU, but it's still going to be a pig and an old CPU. It's not about running anything fancy on it. You can completely forget about that. Quite a few programs won't even compile on an ARM core without NEON. Even a simple desktop makes this CPU pant.

Re:Obsolete Processor (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053245)

Keep the fingers crossed for EOMA68 [rhombus-tech.net] (plus whatever boards you like [elinux.org] ): seems like an all-open hardware and software stack.

Re:Obsolete Processor (1)

citizenr (871508) | about a year and a half ago | (#43056147)

Allwinner A10 is in no way open source, no hardware decoding acceleration, no 3d acceleration with open source,

Happy Birthday Pi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052731)

Who needs cake when you have Pi. Maybe by this time next year we will have mor board based PC options with easy access to the GPIO pins.

Re:Happy Birthday Pi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052891)

Absolutely, and hopefully those boards will be open instead of this closed prorprietary one.

Re:Happy Birthday Pi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053053)

Yeah, I dislike that aspect too - but it runs Linux and I have good uses for it as it is.

What did you want to do with the Pi that its proprietary nature prohibits?

Re: Happy Birthday Pi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053521)

Opencl or similar...really just being able to harness the stream processor for some parallel matrix multiplications / gf2 would be nice. Doesn't even have to be open, but at least provide an api!

Re:Happy Birthday Pi! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053693)

Olimex. It already exists. Why have you guys been ignoring it?

Hard to believe (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052785)

I've seen so many stories about it here on Slashdot, it's hard to believe it's only a year. Feels like a decade.

Re:Hard to believe (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052985)

At the bottom of this page should be a link marked "submit article". If you want /. content more to your liking, click it.

Re:Hard to believe (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054781)

This. People, remember that Slashdot is powered by user submissions [slashdot.org] .

Re:Hard to believe (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43059287)

Don't help. I got this.

Re:Hard to believe (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43059941)

And then you can vote the submissions. By pressing either the plus or minus symbol...

Re:Hard to believe (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053119)

I'd say it feels more like a week. After a decade, people probably won't even know (or remember) what the thing is.

Re:Hard to believe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053325)

They have put more than a million little computers into the hands of hackers and makers, some of whom still read and submit on Slashdot. Together we can drive this "techie" scum off our whine blog.

Where to get 3D files? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052851)

I want to print one out to try it?

Fascinating! And congratulations (5, Insightful)

demon driver (1046738) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052867)

Some of these days I'll probably get one just for fun...

Now that the Raspberry Pi even has its own "Raspbmc" XBMC distribution, I could just as well have used one for my living-room audio/video needs instead of the cheap netbook I bought. (Which was no bad choice either, although driver issues forced me to use Windows instead of Linux, which otherwise would have been just perfect.)

What makes it so fascinating: it's extremely cheap, it's a great gadget for learning and experimenting with hard- and software, and at the same time it's powerful enough to be employed for quite some serious real-world computing tasks.

And by the way, in a world that is being choked to death by an economic system based on profit maximization, forcing more and more people to tighten their belts even in the rich industrialized regions while the objective requirements for universal affluence and well-being, i.e. resources, productivity and workforce, have never been available in such an abundance, inventions like the Raspberry Pi will probably become more and more important for people.

Re:Fascinating! And congratulations (4, Informative)

slickepott (733214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052913)

I just got my little Pi less than two weeks ago and it also does what I want.
Serves as a web server / home server connected to an external HDD.
Web server being more for testing stuff and sharing with friends so it can handle the load.

Old solution was a Core 2 Duo. Noisy and eating more energy.
So far I'm happy and might buy another to see more of what it can do.

Re:Fascinating! And congratulations (1)

bigtomrodney (993427) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053365)

I'm running mine as primarily an XBMC box for my TV, pulling streams. However over the months I've used it for more and more stuff via ssh and I'm now running transmission-daemon on it as my torrent server. It performs flawlessly apart from the odd time I'll be watching something in HD and simultaneously have a 500K download but I'm almost positive that's more to do with the slow flash memory I'm using with it.

They're a great device. A close friend who is an old-school programmer has had his running non-stop since November and now uses it as his permanent *n?x development environment. It's only hobby stuff but he gets to play with GCC and ssh all day.

Re:Fascinating! And congratulations (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053057)

Just buy one, it's a very neat device and as long as you have a modern TV with HDMI and don't care about feeding analogue into an old amp(like i sadly do), you'll probably have a very slick experience with Raspbmc, if on the other hand you use an old fashioned TV you'll have composite quality video, which to be fair is entirely passable, and weird background noise from the analogue audio out, which actually isn't too noticeable when fed straight into the TV, unfortunately it becomes incredibly noticeable and distracting once plugged into an amplifier. USB souncards are the obvious way around this, but they appear to be remarkably complicated/unstable to set up under raspbmc, so i haven't yet got around to it

The thing the raspberry pi isn't very good at being, is a general purpose computer, with its incredibly weak cpu, lack of VGA output for use with a cheap monitor, flakey USB controller, lack of accelerated drivers for X, etc. But it is a neat toy, capable digital media centre and nice base for electronics projects, which can be repurposed simply by swapping an SD card, making experimenting as easy as it was back when we used to run linux from floppies for fun.

Re:Fascinating! And congratulations (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year and a half ago | (#43058143)

Up to now, I've brought 3.

I got my first one because of the GPIO... What is ironic, since I stilll haven't had time to use it. But I've put Raspbmc for putting it to some use while I get the time, and I probably won't be able to ever unplug it from the TV again. Then I've brought other two, that are still packaged, and will be plugged on other TVs while not in use (it's easier to unplug things from those other TVs). I tought about replacing my home server with another one, but it still doesn't have enough RAM and DRM speed. I'll probably buy one of the next iteration.

The idea of putting the root filesystem in a SD card is just great. You can have several different "computers" around, and switch between them just with a reboot. I't like multi-booting a PC, but with no need to care about partitions, compatibility or living blank space for the next system. And there are several different images for you to play with...

Mmmmm .... Pi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052883)

Mmmmm ... Pi [albinoblacksheep.com]

happy birthday! (1)

Errtu76 (776778) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052895)

/me queues Kool and the Gang - Celebration ..... on mpd that runs on this r-pi

What an amazing piece of hardware!

Elite (1)

Zedrick (764028) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052903)

Still no port of Elite? Preferably done by Braben himself.

Re:Elite (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054081)

oolite appears to be in the Raspian repository... dunno how well it runs though, but it should be okay.

Even has a store & critical hardware support (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052937)

There are two great source to get stuff for your pi now too. The first everybody knows: http://store.raspberrypi.com/ and the other is http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ (which sells wifi cards and bluetooth adapters that work out of the box!)

The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (5, Informative)

CaptainOfSpray (1229754) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053041)

is the general purpose I/O pins that enable you to read, write, or drive many sorts of real-world device (thermometers, pressure gauges, GPS, servos, motors, etc etc). This feature, in a device that can talk to the internet, opens up a world of possibilities. So the flow of creativity around the Pi from people of all ages and walks of life is just awe-inspiring.

So don't see the Pi as just another computer like your desktop or your laptop.

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053589)

Sure, because none of those things could have been done with a desktop using the usb, printer or serial ports...

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053697)

You would think, but I tried this project [slashdot.org] with my desktop and for some reason it's still sitting on my lawn :(

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054117)

You clearly need a longer power cord!

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43054499)

Be snarky all you want, but I actually DID that and that broke the main desktop PC (shot chips). Great. Never again.

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054845)

Sure, because none of those things could have been done with a desktop using the usb, printer or serial ports...

All those three are problematic. USB adds a completely new abstraction layer there -- you can't just directly do a write/read to the pins, but you must have a device that properly registers itself to the bus and all that hassle. Printer and serial ports on the other hand are only found from special PCs any more...

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43055011)

No problematic than the pi though.

For USB you can use FTDI. The point was that the 'greatest' thing was that it can do what we were using computers in the 80s to do. There were home automation projects using relays hooked to the parallel port and some even had modems so it could be controlled remotely by phone.

It's great if the pi makes this type of thing more popular, but it is going to be something more like the Electric imp (http://electricimp.com/) before it becomes smaller,cheaper and ubiquitous

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (1)

tfigment (2425764) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054537)

That could be useful. I was not aware they had general purpose I/O but so do many Arduinos. I'm assuming a couple dry contact digital inputs and maybe an A/D 10-12 bit converter. Throw in zigbee and battery pack I could see this being useful. Problem is I still don't really wouldn't want to have to wire these things all over the place so wireless is valuable. Not sure what life it would have on battery though probably pretty short since its general purpose.

Not ready to replace my wireless Omega sensors because those are reasonably well designed (with NEMA-2 enclosure) and come enough support software that I don't have to worry about it but they are reasonably expensive and I've had several issues with their general purpose Analog to be truly useful. They also run for 1-2 years on the batteries. But still expensive for what they are.

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (1)

rephlex (96882) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054839)

Instead of putting up with the buggy and underpowered Raspberry Pi you could just spend $15 and use GPIO with your existing computer: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135390529643 [hardkernel.com]

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (2)

CaptainOfSpray (1229754) | about a year and a half ago | (#43055467)

Ok, so you're saying that it makes sense to risk frying a $500 laptop instead of a $25 Pi? Riiiight.

And when you say "underpowered", that's because you hadn't realised that the SoC was designed to go into hi-def PVRs or BluRay players, so it has a muscular GPU, and the "underpowered" ARM CPU was an afterthought...and you haven't kept up with the news, that a guy at UCL is using the Pi to analyse MRI brain scans, which he will be able to do significantly faster when the library that supports the GPU arrives in a few weeks. Welcome to the world of open source, where you don't have to wait ages for the suits, who then say no to doing something sensible.

Re:The aboslute best thing about the Pi... (1)

rephlex (96882) | about a year and a half ago | (#43059375)

Ok, so you're saying that it makes sense to risk frying a $500 laptop instead of a $25 Pi? Riiiight.

Only an idiot would connect something capable of damaging their computer directly to it. This is what opto-isolators are for.

And when you say "underpowered", that's because you hadn't realised that the SoC was designed to go into hi-def PVRs or BluRay players, so it has a muscular GPU, and the "underpowered" ARM CPU was an afterthought...and you haven't kept up with the news,

You're making an incorrect assumption. I say the Raspberry Pi is underpowered because there are similar SoCs available that have ARM Cortex A8 or A9 CPUs in them which are clocked higher than the older ARM1176JZF-S CPU in the Pi and which support the newer ARMv7 architecture versus the Pi's ARMv6. This is a big deal since ARMv7 CPUs can run at their full potential using standard armhf Linux distributions.

Also, the GPU in the Pi isn't as powerful as the Raspberry Pi Foundation would have people believe. Just look at the results Luc Verhaegen has achieved with the supposedly much weaker GPU in the Allwinner A10.

Efficiency undermines speed (1, Informative)

John Allsup (987) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053171)

I'm exploring efficient intuitive ways of programming my Dorothy, my pi. As a 32 bitter its way faster than the 486 I learned linux on. And the 486 was fast enough to be fit for purpose. Being spoilt with speed has led us up a blind alley where pooters can't keep up despite bashing their heads on quantum physics limitations. We need proper efficiency, not the crap we have today

Re:Efficiency undermines speed (2)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053471)

You lose forever for using the word 'pooter'.

Re:Efficiency undermines speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053517)

You're a little bit odd, aren't you.

Re:Efficiency undermines speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43058361)

He's not odd, he's just English.

Re: Efficiency undermines speed (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053663)

A 486 is 32 bit.

Re:Efficiency undermines speed (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054857)

We need proper efficiency, not the crap we have today

What crap?

I bought a couple... (5, Interesting)

MMC Monster (602931) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053207)

I bought a couple just to play around with on the home network.

I am using one as an XBMC player in the kids room. It works fine, no problems. Surprising, considering how underpowered it is compared to the Atom-based computers I'm using elsewhere to run XBMC.

The other I am using as a fileserver. It's not set up in a RAID, but it gets quite good performance. So good, in fact, that I am using it for daily use to serve media throughout the house instead of the Netgear ReadyNas Duo that I originally bought for the job. (The Raspberry Pi has better throughput on both reads and writes when using ssh protocol. It also supports hard drives over 2TB.)

As a plus, I'm now completely comfortable dealing with a headless system. :-)

I also have a couple. Quite useful too. (4, Interesting)

Robert Frazier (17363) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053491)

One is a dedicated NTP (Network Time Protocol) server, with an attached GPS (Global Positioning System) receiver (Trimble Resolution T). The receiver puts a PPS (Pulse Per Second) on a GPIO (General Purpose In Out) pin. Using out-of-the-box NTP software, it is aligned to UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) with an offset of less than 1 microsecond. I had the GPS receiver in a much busier computer, but there was too much fluctuation, so the accuracy wasn't as good. In particular, the other box did CPU stepping, which is bad for for this sort of thing.

The other Raspberry PI is also a single purpose appliance (for now). Using some of the features of pulseaudio, I stream music via multicast and RTP (Real Time Protocol). A Raspberry PI is hooked up to some active speakers (via a USB soundcard). The Raspberry sits around listening for the multicast, and plays what it gets. I did it this way, using pulseaudio multicast, so that all the music players in the house are in sync (as far as my hearing can tell).

From my point of view, what makes the Raspberry PI attractive is that it is reasonably inexpensive, reasonably power frugal, reasonably well documented, and has strong support. All this makes it pretty much ideal when turning a general purpose computer into an appliance, with the possibility of changing its use in the future, or adding uses.

Best wishes,
Bob

Re:I bought a couple... (1)

wmorrow (16909) | about a year and a half ago | (#43055153)

What sort of hard drive is connected to your fileserver? I'm thinking of doing this, but wonder about the reliability of a consumer-grade external USB connected drive. You're unlikely to lose data, but won't the USB-SATA interface cook itself if left on forever?

Re:I bought a couple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43057977)

Mine haven't, , the newest one is a horribly cheap dynamode unit with a scarily flimsy PSU, i'm surprised it hasn't burnt the house down, but it hasn't failed, and has been powered on for quite a while, the other, somewhat higher quality, one has been running for years without any problems, admittedly these are 3.5" units and i don't suppose you really want something like that weighing down a pi. I suppose it's worth mentioning that these are enclosures with drives installed, something that's very hard to justify thesedays considering that some disks are actually cheaper prepackaged in a nice enclosure than bought naked, i'm paranoid that the drives inside might be reconditioned, but i don't suppose they can really get away with that unless they make it clear.

Re:I bought a couple... (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | about a year and a half ago | (#43067867)

I have a seagate 3TB external drive.

Since the system only serves files in the house and I'm not constantly hitting it, the drive sleeps most of the time.

Re:I bought a couple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43056353)

> It's not set up in a RAID

if RAID was to be used here for speed purposes, wouldn't you just be limited by the speed of the USB2 interface anyway?

RAID used for redundancy could be ok if you had the cash to burn.

Re:I bought a couple... (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | about a year and a half ago | (#43067899)

I just needed redundancy. Which I get by running a cron jobs on a computer located in my parents' house and a third system running in a friend's house (It's just media files, anyway).

Real price is 70 EUR (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053569)

I wanted to buy one, so I looked at it on their store.
The real price is 70 EUR including shipping. Apparently they charge 13 EUR just for a SD card pre-loaded with the OS.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053649)

You can buy the SD card anywhere and copy the OS onto it for free, you don't need to buy it with the Pi. The model B costs US $35 in your own currency, plus your local sales taxes and delivery. The model A costs $25 plus taxes and delivery. Some countries ( India, Brazil ?) add huge tariffs to the price.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (2)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053699)

The real price is $35.00USD that is what I pay and #3 is on it's way.

Maybe you need to look for just the unit instead of a whole starter kit.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053747)

You need a case, an AC, an SD card, and eventually cables in addition to the board.
Sure, you could use one AC for several units, but then you cannot power several units at the same time, rendering the whole concept of having several of them useless.

Also I got it wrong, the SD card with the OS is actually 16 EUR.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053851)

There's no need to pay for a case, you can use a plastic or metal box, there's no need for ac too (mine is powered through a y-usb cable connected to the tv), and there is no need to buy a new sd... I used a very old one that had no other use.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (1)

wmorrow (16909) | about a year and a half ago | (#43055311)

Or print out a case following the community's designs [raspberrypi.org] , using good old 2-d printing. :)

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053875)

I can be your AC , loufoque.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43055189)

So buy a usb hub that provides 1 amp to each port. Bam, cluster.

If you search carefully, you can find such a hub for around 15 EUR

Or just buy a 5 EUR power supply, a 1 EUR SD card, and some 1 EUR cables. And keep it in the cardboard box it was shipped in.

If you are spending more than 35-40 EUR including VAT, either you have insane import taxes or you are buying from a reseller instead of buying from one of the two manufacturers.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43055299)

There is only one manufacturer, it is a Sony factory in the uk

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43062095)

REally? you need a case or it will explode and kill everyone? Or does the case have special circuitry that is not on the board?

Lets go with your thinking... you also need a house, so include the rent in it. Power, so all your electrical bills. The table it sits on, etc... To get it to you you have to build a global shipping company, so include the cost of starting and operating FexEx for the past 30 years.

so a rasberry pi's real cost is over $190,000,000,000.00 by your logic.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43053725)

They don't have a store, you can buy it from farnell [farnell.com] , CPC [farnell.com] (who are farnell but friendlier), RS [rs-online.com] , Allied electronics [alliedelec.com] (whoever they are), NewIT [newit.co.uk] (who i got mine from) and Maplin [maplin.co.uk]

If there isn't a single option there that offers it for less that 70 EUR with tax and shipping, i'll be a little surprised.
Charging 13 EUR for a pre-loaded SD card doesn't seem that awful, especially considering that they(the foundation, who aren't the ones selling the cards) provide you with all the tools and instructions [elinux.org] to make your own bootable SD cards, no one's forcing you to do anything here.

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (1)

makomk (752139) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054661)

As far as I know, Maplin only sell the Pi bundled with a starter kit for £75 (about 85 EUR / $115) which includes a keyboard, mouse, USB hub, mains power supply, preloaded SD card, cables and a USB wifi dongle. Chances are the person you're replying to is already looking at the cheapest supplier. (Also, RS and Allied Elec apparently take months to ship.)

Re:Real price is 70 EUR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43055225)

The point about maplin is a valid one, but if he's genuinely looking at the cheapest supplier then i'm still rather startled by his 70EUR minimum, in theory i can get one shipped to europe from NewIT, who have them in stock, for ~43.25 EUR, yes he'll need extras, but most of those can be sourced locally and still shouldn't push into 70 euro territory.

OS choices (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#43053971)

Any idea which Linux distro(s) comes w/ this? Which ones are supported? How about other non-Linux OSs, such as NetBSD or Minix? I read that Minix is developing a version of 3.2.1 for ARM. This platform would ideally need a lightweight OS, and something like Minix or Tiny-Core Linux.

Re:OS choices (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43054057)

There are versions of Debian, one of which is the dedicated Raspbian distribution, built for the pi, Arch and RiscOS, as well as Bodhi and some other bits and pieces.

Re:OS choices (1)

rmcd (53236) | about a year and a half ago | (#43054743)

The first link here [lmgtfy.com] is a place to start.

Raspberry Pi has potential as a network test tool (1)

rnutter (831184) | about a year and a half ago | (#43055969)

I have been working with my Raspberry Pi for about a month. The more I look at it, the more it has potential for my fellow network engineers as a test tool. When you are testing access through a firewall, the RPi can be used as a test host before you expose a system to the outside world. I have also setup my RPi for use as a console server to network devices that have a serial console port. I am also working a series on my website showing how to use the RPi as a GPS NTP server. I have over 30 ideas of how this little gem can be used for testing on a network. I hope that this can help others - http://www.ronnutter.com/category/raspberry-pi/ [ronnutter.com] . My thanks to those who created the Raspberry Pi !!

Shameless plug for pcDunio. (1)

hamster_nz (656572) | about a year and a half ago | (#43057659)

The pcDunio is just like a Raspberry Pi, but...

* 1GHz ARM Cortex A8
* 1GB RAM
* 2GB Onboard Flash (no SD card required for software, and faster!).
* Mali 400 graphics core
* Way more on-board GPIO, including analogue inputs

Home page is here [pcduino.com]

Ordered one today from Sparkfun... US$59. A little bit more expensive, but no GertBoard or SD card required.

Still can't even get one (1)

scorp1us (235526) | about a year and a half ago | (#43057701)

I checked a few weeks ago and no place in the US had any to sell. I'd love one, but i had to go with arduino instead.

A Better "Birthday" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43057823)

I am waiting for it to turn 3.141596253....., it will be a truly transcendental moment in computing history, it'll be unreal. I'll be so excited I won't remain rational.

Want to win a Raspberry Pi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080025)

If you're looking to get your hands on a Raspberry Pi you can do so by entering a short video competition from 123-reg.
Here is their contest page:http://blog.makezine.com/2013/02/26/celebrating-raspberry-pis-birthday-with-cake/#comment-916784

all you have to do is submit a short video of what you'd do for a Raspberry Pi. Submissions end March 15.

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