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SpaceX Pressure Hammers Stuck Valves; Dragon's ISS Mission Back On Track

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the click-and-clack-the-tappet-brothers dept.

ISS 170

SpaceX's Dragon launch to the ISS earlier today went off smoothly, but the mission encountered trouble shortly after: three sets (of four) of the craft's maneuvering thrusters didn't work. CNET quotes SpaceX founder Elon Musk: "It looks like there was potentially some blockage in the oxidizer pressurization (system). It looks like we've been able to free that blockage, or maybe a stuck valve. We've been able to free that up by cycling the valves, essentially pressure hammering the valves, to get that to loosen. It looks like that's been effective. All the oxidizer tanks are now holding the target pressure on all four (thruster) pods. I'm optimistic we'll be able to bring all four of them up and then we'll work closely with NASA to figure out what the next step is for rendezvousing with space station," and follows up with the good news that "Shortly after the briefing concluded, engineers reported all four sets of thrusters were back on line and that testing was underway to verify the health of the system." Barring further problems, Dragon could reach the ISS as soon as Sunday.

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Boeing (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051381)

wonder if boeing will offer to help.

Re:Boeing (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051651)

It sounds like this is a minor issue which can be easily corrected for the future. Just improve the heaters around that piping, and they'll clear that problem up. Alternatively, could sonic transducers help?

LICK MY PARENTHETICAL BALLS, TIMOTHY (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052553)

Timmyboy usually has some retarded parenthetical "asides" (which really aren't that) comprising about 50% of the independent clauses. Today, he has opted to put half of his adjectives and prepositional phrases in parentheses.

three sets (of four) of

blockage in the oxidizer pressurization (system).

on all four (thruster) pods

Have you not tossed enough of kdawson's salad today, Timmyboy? It is blatant that you failed out of elementary school, but would you please address this post?

Yours,
ethanol-fueled

MOD PARENT UP! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052721)

Seriously, WHY would anyone mod this down? idiots

All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS file (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051385)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

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Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051425)

Pardon me. And you are ?

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051905)

An AI bot?

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (-1, Offtopic)

pla (258480) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051449)

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle

Okay...

UnMyCleanPc.

Ha! Pay up, bitch! Don't make me send Frost Pister after your ass, sucka!

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051505)

I like monkeys.

The pet store was selling them for five cents a piece. I thought that odd since they were normally a couple thousand each. I decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth. I bought 200. I like monkeys.

I took my 200 monkeys home. I have a big car. I let one drive. His name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really bright. They kept punching themselves in their genitals. I laughed. Then they punched my genitals. I stopped laughing.

I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new environment. They would screech, hurl themselves off of the couch at high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the spectacle lost its novelty halfway into its third hour.

Two hours later I found out why all the monkeys were so inexpensive: they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sorta' dropped dead. Kinda' like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. Damn cheap monkeys.

I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead monkeys lying all over my room, on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked like I had 200 throw rugs.

I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck. Then I had one dead, wet monkey and 199 dead, dry monkeys.

I tried pretending that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real bad.

I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in the toilet and I didn't want to call the plumber. I was embarrassed.

I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately there was only enough room for two monkeys at a time so I had to change them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it didn't all go bad.

I tried burning them. Little did I know my bed was flammable. I had to extinguish the fire.

Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen monkeys in my freezer, and 197 dead, charred monkeys in a pile on my bed. The odor wasn't improving.

I became agitated at my inability to dispose of my monkeys and to use the bathroom. I severely beat one of my monkeys. I felt better.

I tried throwing them way but the garbage man said that the city wasn't allowed to dispose of charred primates. I told him that I had a wet one. He couldn't take that one either. I didn't bother asking about the frozen ones.

I finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My friends didn't know quite what to say. They pretended that they like them but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in the genitals.

I like monkeys

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (1)

Alien Being (18488) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052087)

Wow! You too?

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052263)

This is one of the funniest things I've ever read.

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (0)

HeLLFiRe1151 (743468) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051583)

Damn, my mod just expired.

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052231)

Can't any mods report that fscker to his provider? When I worked for an ISP I *loved* taking care of those...

Re:All spacecraft computers should use a HOSTS fil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052637)

Mods don't have access to the IP address. Besides, report what, exactly? Using a hosts file without a license?

I followed all those links (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052625)

And after reading over them all in great detail, based on the fact that Chewbacca is a big tall Wookie, you're wrong.

Anyone else sick of this guy? (-1, Troll)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051451)

Selling questionable software at the dotcom boom and spinning a lot of flashy tech and buzzwords - when are this guy's 15 mins of fame over?

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (5, Insightful)

danomatika (1977210) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051543)

Nope. If he's going to make commercial space a reality, I'm all for hearing more from him.

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (0)

lemur3 (997863) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051695)

when he starts taking military contracts to put weapons and spy devices on these rockets i will start to be tired of him very quickly..

its sad to imagine how quickly one goes from 'science!' to .....'weapons'

as is, theyve done great at showing one neednt be an aged defense contractor to do this kind of work... i just fear that that success will be marred by getting involved in some of the nasty stuff those very capable defense contractors are involved in.

Re:Sour grapes (1)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051757)

That would be 2014 according to their launch manifest:

http://www.spacex.com/launch_manifest.php [spacex.com]

And, no, I am not sick of him. I want to sell him a seed factory to put on Mars to produce necessities for colonists. Therefore I want his near-term projects to succeed:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Danielravennest/SFP/Report [wikibooks.org]

Re:Sour grapes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051971)

As much as I wish to see him put a seed factory on Mars the second he takes the company public the company wish shift resources to being a launch provider like ULA.

Serious Hot Shit (-1, Offtopic)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051883)

The other day while I was showering, I stepped out and my little sister was in the bathroom. She's seen me naked, so it's like so what. I see her looking at my wang, and I ask her "want it?", and she's like "what EVER!". Next thing I know, I grab her hand and put it on my wang. She feels it, and it gets hard. ROCK hard.She thinks it's funny and giggles, but I tell her, "want to know what a guy can do?" And she says YES. I tell her how to stroke it, and she does. I feel it cumming, I'm almost there, I tell her to keep doing it. I know it's wrong, but I just expload, and shoot a steamy hot sticy load all ove my little sister's cute little face. HERE'S THE FUNNY THING: Next day, her little 14 year old "boy friend" leaves her room with a shit-eating grin on his face.

Re:Serious Hot Shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052121)

It is absolutely delicious that the Parent is "off-topic" and not "troll".

Just goes to show you that Slashdot mods are PERVS.

Re:Anyoe else sick of this guy? (0)

Lincolnshire Poacher (1205798) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052757)

Nope. If he's going to make commercial space a reality, I'm all for hearing more from him.

'Commercial space' has been with us for 70 years.

Here's an example: NASA contracted Boeing, North American, Douglas and Thiokol to design, build and operate a launcher called Saturn V.

Here's another example: Orbital Sciences Pegasus.

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051551)

I'm sick of bitcoin more than this guy. His 15mins of fame are over when someone else can trump all that he's currently doing. Either they need to surpass him at his current "level" or wait for him to fail so they can get the credit by "entering the market" (in spaceships AND electric cars) at some other lower level.

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051557)

What?

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051589)

Personally, no. SpaceX and Tesla are both high in the running for "coolest company" in my book. The fact that the same guy is behind them both makes me think it's not just luck. (It would be so tempting to troll Apple at this point, but I think I'll just stop here).

My iPod has a great battery life (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052033)

He's not a Job's figure, he's just a Paypal founder with a lot of astroturf to attack his critics.

Re:My iPod has a great battery life (3, Informative)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052051)

He is not Job's figure, he is not making expensive toys, he is actually someone struggling to improve mankind. One of the few and against all odds.

SpaceX BETA, Tesla BETA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052153)

Firstly computers are not toys, an iPhone is not a toy.

"he is actually someone struggling to improve mankind", noble words. However, Space flight is not new, launching satellites is routine and the only difference with Elon, is he's trying to make a COMMERCIAL satellite launcher. i.e. he's trying to make money on a thing that has already been done. He's also failing, as he has a tendency to do, and Apple under Jobs did not.

And he's also not even in the right ball park. Take Tesla for example, the electricity for that car is generated, so all he's done is move the energy source to external, lost of lot of efficiency and made a car that CANNOT do what pretty much every car currently can do, drive from coast to coast in comfort and speed without issue.

Now with SpaceX, NASA could have simply launched the delivery itself, instead due to Elon's political influence, they hire his company. He comes in two years later than he promised and has issues even on the launch itself.

So he can make a COMMERCIAL space launcher. How exactly is him making money on what others do much more reliably ímproving mankind'.

How exactly does that comment not lable you another Elon Musk astroturfer?

Re:SpaceX BETA, Tesla BETA (4, Interesting)

snadrus (930168) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052421)

Doing something at 100x less cost is a big deal. Sure it took political influence to be the NASA's first commercial sale. In the end he even saved taxpayers money, so what's not to like?

Driving coast-to-coast without using gas is a chicken-and-egg problem. I'm glad to see someone taking-on the stranglehold of world's largest cartel, with some success.

The journey was 200 miles (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052479)

"Doing something at 100x less cost is a big deal."

And launching a payload ONE THIRD of the size at ONE THIRD of the price with HALF the reliability is bad value for money. That's not even counting the delays and the issues. Telsa's of course are very expensive.

"Driving coast-to-coast without using gas is a chicken-and-egg problem. I'm glad to see someone taking-on the stranglehold of world's largest cartel, with some success."

No, the charging points for the test were only 200 MILES APART! The car only needed to make it 200 miles without issue. It failed. I know Elon put out a lot of lies about the review and misdirections, but everyone who wants to buy one should read the ACTUAL review:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/automobiles/stalled-on-the-ev-highway.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Ultimately his car claimed a range on the dashboard that was not met in practice. Elon can claim the reviewer went at 56mph when claiming 48mph, but the car lies about its range. Elon can claim he should have overcharged it from the get go, but the car lied about its range. Elon can claim he should have turned off the heater, but the car lied about its range.

Re:The journey was 200 miles (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052547)

Sorry, but the only one spilling lies here is you my friend. The car range was far superior to 200 KM as long as you actually charge it. Musk was 100% right on this case and the NY reporter was a biased asshole, as you are, my friend.

Read the real review (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052613)

No, read the real review:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/automobiles/stalled-on-the-ev-highway.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

" A Tesla agent brought the car to me in suburban Washington with a full charge,".
This is not disputed, Tesla did deliver it will a full charge.

" I went off for lunch at the service plaza, checking occasionally on the car’s progress. After 49 minutes, the display read “charge complete,” and the estimated available driving distance was 242 miles.

Again, not disputed, the car was topped off and claimed 242 miles (Tesla claims 300, they lie a lot).

"After a short break in Manhattan, the range readout said 79 miles; the Milford charging station was 73 miles away. About 20 miles from Milford, less than 10 miles of range remained. I called Tesla again, and Ted Merendino, a product planner, told me that even when the display reached zero there would still be a few miles of cushion...At that point, the car informed me it was shutting off the heater, and it ordered me, in vivid red letters, to “Recharge Now."

Ted at Tesla should had told him the truth about that.

"When I parked the car, its computer said I had 90 miles of range, twice the 46 miles back to Milford. It was a different story at 8:30 the next morning. The thermometer read 10 degrees and the display showed 25 miles of remaining range"

Again, not disputed.

"I called Tesla in California, and the official I woke up said I needed to “condition” the battery pack to restore the lost energy. That meant sitting in the car for half an hour with the heat on a low setting."

Another lie from Tesla, if they'd told him the truth, he would have drove straight to the charging point without turning on the heater.

"Tesla’s experts said that pumping in a little energy would help restore the power lost overnight as a result of the cold weather, and after an hour they cleared me to resume the trip to Milford."

This was another lie from Tesla, the energy would not be recovered. The Tesla man probably thinks 1 hour is enough to get him to the destination. He lies about the dynamics of the battery.

"Tesla’s New York service manager, Adam Williams, found a towing service in Milford that sent a skilled and very patient driver, Rick Ibsen, to rescue me with a flatbed truck. Not so quick: the car’s electrically actuated parking brake would not release without battery power, and hooking the car’s 12-volt charging post behind the front grille to the tow truck’s portable charger would not release the brake. So he had to drag it onto the flatbed, a painstaking process that took 45 minutes"

Elon claimed that the battery was never fully discharged, yet the flat bed truck driver has since confirmed it. Elon tells lies, a lot of lies.

Re:Read the real review (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052677)

Also not disputed: it takes 1 hour to recharge at a super recharger, 3 hours at a regular recharger. And over a week from your home outlet. I filled up my gas tank last weekend, it took 5-10 minutes. The first station I went to was full -- 10 pumps (of 12 -- 2 were out of service) in use with more cars streaming in. Imagine the scene if it took an hour to recharge. 20 times longer to refuel and you have to refuel twice as often. Tesla is unsuitable until we get some major advancements in battery capacity and battery recharge rates. If you want to "save the environment", buy a motorcycle.

Re:SpaceX BETA, Tesla BETA (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052569)

Oh how rich, so computers are not toys? You can play with them? Have you heard about video games? The concept will blow your mind my ignorant friend. Apple input deficient computers are basically that, toys. That is what most people use them for and that is what they are actually designed to be, video games and web surfing devices.

Regarding Musk, you keep spilling lies and absurdities as if they were facts without absolutely no evidence and backed up only for your poisin and jealousy. Sorry to break the news for you, but the astroturfer here is you, and the troll to add insult to injury as well.

ISS is manned (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052737)

"Regarding Musk, you keep spilling lies and absurdities as if they were facts without absolutely no evidence and backed up only for your poisin and jealousy."

Did you miss the story? It's about problems with SpaceX thrusters, Falcon is approaching a MANNED space station with dodgy thrusters. There are real consequences here. It's not a conspiracy against Elon here, his companies have problems, he doesn't address those problems, he attacks the messenger. NASA should be launching not SpaceX.

There are six people aboard the ISS and none aboard Falcon.

" so computers are not toys? You can play with them? Have you heard about video games?"
Are they toys when a computer is calculating SpaceX trajectory? No? Word games.

Re:SpaceX BETA, Tesla BETA (2)

Guspaz (556486) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052703)

he's trying to make a COMMERCIAL satellite launcher. i.e. he's trying to make money on a thing that has already been done. He's also failing, as he has a tendency to do, and Apple under Jobs did not.

How is he failing? SpaceX has a packed launch manifest, and has been profitable every year since 2007... Their current launch platform, the Falcon 9, has never suffered a critical failure that caused a loss of payload. The one time a payload was lost (the satellite in the previous launch) was not lost due to failure, but because NASA refused to let them do a second burn to get it into the correct orbit. There was no technical reason why the payload could not be deployed, NASA simply refused to let them do so.

Re:My iPod has a great battery life (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052939)

Say what you want, but Apple's computers have always had class-leading support for disabled users. There's a case to be made that making the entirety of the written human experience available to the blind is improving mankind. And that's just beginning to scratch the surface. I forget the quote, but it's something about Apple seeking the intersection of liberal arts and technology. Jobs's impact was greater than mere showmanship.

Elon Musk is awesome too.

Re:My iPod has a great battery life (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052065)

because an iPod or iPad are just so similar to a fucking rocket docking with an orbiting space station. gawd can your parent monitor your internet activity just a little?

If Elon made an iPod (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052271)

"because an iPod or iPad are just so similar to a fucking rocket docking with an orbiting space station"

And its Elon who fails to make a fault free car, that has long pre-existed, or a launcher, that has long pre-existed, is so f-ing similar to a Jobs that delivered *NEW*, *AMAZING*, *RELIABLE* products.

If you want to label Elon Musk as a Steve Jobs figure, you'd better realize that he cannot do what Apple did. He is not making something radically new or different, and he's not launching successful fault free products. In Tesla case, he's actually made a LESS efficient car by introducing the battery. In SpaceX case it's a launcher using the same launch method as pre-existing launchers, but he claims its much cheaper (although he raises the price as reality sets in).

You can try to denigrate what Apple did, but the iPod was far more of an advance, than a Falcon launcher was over other launchers.

You can claim he's a Job's figure, but Jobs didn't let products out the door that weren't ready for prime time.

Re:If Elon made an iPod (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052601)

Apple products are far from amazing. They are just copies of other technologies and full of flaws. There is nothing new, revolutionary or even really useful in them.

On the other hand, Musk products are at the vanguard of our technology and in important areas for mankind where there is dire need of investments. He could make a lot more money staying in less risky business, but he instead decided to take huge risks to the benefit of us all.

Sorry, but Steve Jobs doesn't even classify to be in the same sentence with Musk.

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (4, Interesting)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052175)

I'll bite.

Making awesome things takes a lot of cooperation. To a certain extent, that cooperation can be bought. Cooperation can be bought more cheaply and more easily, however, if the person being bought is already in favor of the project, and once they're involved, they're far more likely to be passionate about the project's ultimate success, rather than viewing it as yet another boring job in a long career.

Leaders like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk don't just do the "executive" part of the "Chief Executive Officer" role. They act as figureheads leading an army of supporters who believe in the project and are devoted to it. That fanatical love for the goal [pacifict.com] is seen as crazy by outsiders, but it leads to a quality product in the end - albeit after some major trials and tribulations. A bit of vision, a bit of business, and a bit of distorted reality are the secret ingredients to leadership.

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (3, Interesting)

Alex Vulpes (2836855) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051593)

Oh come on, that's not really fair—I'm pretty sure the whole PayPal mess happened after Musk sold his portion of the company. Also, the guy uses plain English a lot more than technical jargon.

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051647)

German technical staff, scientists and engineers worked hard on problems like this in the 1950-60's for their masters in Russia and the USA.
Dreaming of clean papers without the war history or just papers home, they solved it all :)
Now we can buy it all back at market prices from US commercial space interests at todays prices :)

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051771)

I agree. Pretty sketchy. I am a physicist and I hate paying for shit we already solved for for free... like energy fuck that

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051843)

Why are you such an asshole? Is it because your sister turned you down for sex?

Re:Anyone else sick of this guy? (4, Funny)

Abreu (173023) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051985)

Nah, even if the mission fails, Musk will show graphs and logs explaining that the valves never actually malfunctioned... ...

(Just Kidding, I am actually on Tesla's side on the test drive debacle)

LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (3, Interesting)

Baldrson (78598) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051457)

Cryogenic valve failures are problems that seems to put about 50% of private launch service companies under or at least at serious risk from decades ago.

I'm sure Musk is aware of this but really, it just seems to make sense to find the best cryo valve guy in the world and give him one and only one full time job: Make sure the damn things work!

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (3, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051587)

It could be that Musk already got that guy under employment, but the very best guy in this world still fall short of getting this problem licked, once and for all

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (2)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051739)

I have not seen a Dragon capsule put into a thermal-vacuum chamber (if it has, let me know). Such a chamber lets you run the hardware through the whole range of environments and temperatures from launch to orbit. Presumably the liquid helium pressurant is very cold, and that can cause valve icing. When the compartment has air around it, that can supply heat to re-warm it, but a vacuum will not do that. So either you simulate the heck out of the thermal environment in a computer, or a test chamber, or find out the hard way what you forgot to consider. Valve heaters are a standard fix, but you do have to remember to include them in the design.

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051769)

Pressurisation would normally use gaseous helium, not liquid. You only need enough to keep the fuel tanks pressurised, so there's no great benefit to using liquid helium and lots of downsides.

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051789)

how do you ice up in a vacuum?

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051821)

Liquid and cold.

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (1)

camperdave (969942) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052575)

how do you ice up in a vacuum?

The same way you do in an atmosphere. You walk to the refrigerator and hold your drink under the ice dispenser.

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052397)

The entire Dragon vehicle was TVAC'd as part of a NASA COTS milestone.

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051811)

Dragon's Draco thrusters use dinitrogen tetroxide as the oxidizer and monomethyl hydrazine as fuel, so they shouldn't have any issues stemming from cryogenics (unless the fuel got cold).

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (4, Informative)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051835)

Dracos use hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide. No cryo.

Re:LOX Valve Icing Stikes Again? (2)

recharged95 (782975) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051885)

This is just a learning curve for SpaceX. It's not going to be roses for these guys as much as the Internet-to-Space investors want it to be. And I'm sure Musk and his ex-JPL/NASA boys know this. There's going to be more (and even spectacular) failures initially than successes. Just ask Orbital--Orbital Sciences has been through this as the OP said... decades ago.

Still rooting for them though.

I'm wondering where Virgin G is nowadays...

What is the worst that could happen (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051479)

A spacecraft will now be attempting to do an automated docking with the ISS when its thrusters have previously failed and the problem was only corrected by pressure hammering the system (which I hope I don't have to point out is something you never want to do to a mechanical system). What would happen if the pressure hammer created other failures in the system up to and including the valves? Could the spacecraft ram into the ISS?

I think it is time to put this spacecraft into the ocean. We don't need to kill people over Elon Musk's pride.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051595)

Why was this modded down?

Seriously, pressure (a/k/a water) hammer is as serious as cancer. If you want to cause the most damage to a mechanical system in the least amount of time you start with explosives. Then you move to fire. Next in line is water hammer.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051689)

I'd say down-voted due to armchair quarterbacking regarding the level of risk involved in continuing the mission and the excessively snide conclusion. I'm sure SpaceX engineers are far more knowledgeable of the risk factors than any of us meat blobs sitting in our chairs at home reading slashdot are. And as far as pressure hammer is concerned, I would guess (and call it what it is, nothing more than a guess), that they actually had some level of control of the amount of pressure they drove into the system, vs. a random water hammer in a set of pipes that occurs in a home or building.

That is load of B.S. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051791)

What he said is 100% right. The problem is that ignorant people like you like love to ignore problems just because you don't understand it.

HUMAN space flight (yes, the moment we start talking about the ISS, we are talking about HUMAN space flight) is not a science for the careless and ignorant.

Re:That is load of B.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052149)

an that is why Musk said that NASA will specify the next steps. I have little doubt they will have to do some amount of testing to be sure all thrusters are working 100% to the spec and not half hanging off the structure giving thrust in 4 directions at once. And IIRC, the ISS has an abort button onboard and knows that a flaky thruster causing an abort could also cause a failed abort.

Something tells me they have done this thing once or twice before. NASA that is.

Re:That is load of B.S. (2)

priceslasher (2102064) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052203)

You're just pointing out make believe negative shit to posture.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051763)

I don't know. If the shit goes down, maybe the asshole moderator will man up and post an apology for being a jizzmop.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052097)

I don't know. If the shit goes down, maybe the asshole moderator will man up and post an apology for being a jizzmop.

This is the essence of someone that doesn't know fuck about shit, spouting their fucking mouth off about bullshit they just thought of.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (4, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051637)

I don't know the details of this system, but pressurisation valves probably open once and... that's it. Typically you want the thruster tanks unpressurised until orbit and pressurised from there until the end of the mission.

The good news is that, because they'll get the Dragon back, they should be able to dismantle the thrusters on Earth and find out why they didn't work properly.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (5, Informative)

sunking2 (521698) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051785)

I'd say down voted because people here haven't a clue about how NASA deals with things concerning the ISS. If you believe they have given any sort of green light on docking then you are greatly mistaken. $20B+ dollars, 10+ years making, and no room for error they will take no chances over a little more than half a ton of cargo. I've been in meetings and seen them pontificate of completely benign things for a week. They take nothing more seriously than the safe being of the ISS. I'm not saying they won't give it a go, but I would be shocked if they have already given SpaceX the go ahead. Not saying they aren't planning, but I will say there are a lot of people who have some decisions to make and they wo't be done lightly.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (3, Informative)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052685)

I'd say down voted because people here haven't a clue about how NASA deals with things concerning the ISS. If you believe they have given any sort of green light on docking then you are greatly mistaken. $20B+ dollars, 10+ years making, and no room for error they will take no chances over a little more than half a ton of cargo. I've been in meetings and seen them pontificate of completely benign things for a week. They take nothing more seriously than the safe being of the ISS. I'm not saying they won't give it a go, but I would be shocked if they have already given SpaceX the go ahead. Not saying they aren't planning, but I will say there are a lot of people who have some decisions to make and they wo't be done lightly.

Yeah, it's actually more like $100-200 billions depending on how you count, or about the cost of ten to twenty Large Hadron Colliders. And there are six people on board who would have to try to make an emergency escape if something went terribly wrong, so I would imagine everyone involved takes it rather seriously, including SpaceX. SpaceX would become pariahs in the space industry if their hardware did major damage to the ISS or if someone died.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052477)

Frequently, but not always. It's not unheard of to open and close the source pressure valves, because you don't want to count on the regulators not leaking for any significant length of time. If you leave the source pressure connecting, any regulator leak will likely overpressure the tank. We don't usually do that but it's not uncommon. I would much rather take my chances on valves sticking closed than on regulator leaks.

       

Re:What is the worst that could happen (1)

priceslasher (2102064) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052151)

While we are speculating - I wonder if they used robust heavy duty stuff and maybe 'pressure hammering' doesn't put the valves under any more stress than they were designed to handle.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052887)

Pressure hammer, or water hammer as it is more commonly known, is not a simple pressure transient. It is far more complicated than that and can exceed design tolerances by orders of magnitude. It is a shock-wave traveling at the speed of sound. In power plants, water hammer has destroyed valves, ripped pipes apart, destroyed heat exchangers, etc. The water hammer than you have in your house is occurs at ambient temperatures and pressures, yet it is still able to destroy your piping. When it happens in your body, it rips apart arteries and veins. Consider what happens when it isn't an ambient condition and where there is an enormous pressure difference allowing for phase changes in the liquid. Feel free to do a search and find examples where inches of steel have been shredded by water hammer or where massive heat exchangers have imploded or exploded.

Sorry, but mentioning a spacecraft that has had a pressure hammer event is as big of a red light as mentioning a ship that has had a flooding event or a nuclear plant that has had a massive radiation release. It doesn't mean that everything is fucked, but is sure could be! Pressure hammer events almost ripped Apollo 13 apart on launch. It is NOT a joke. It is a BFD.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (3, Interesting)

ensignyu (417022) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052279)

It's not accurate to say that the Dragon will be automatically docking with the ISS, since the Dragon doesn't support automated docking yet. Rather, it very slowly approaches the station, holds steady at about 10m, and then the crew (or mission control in Houston) spends hours operating a robotic arm to grab it and bring it in.

As others have pointed out, NASA has the final say over whether the Dragon can even come within a kilometer of the ISS.

The initial approach during the COTS-2 demo was 0.24 meters/second according to this link [spaceflight101.com] and this link [wordpress.com] , and the final approach from 30m is even slower.

I'd imagine that the ISS could manage to avoid an object traveling towards it from 30m at roughly the speed of a tortoise, considering that most other dangerous objects in space are traveling much faster.

That's not to say that the thrusters couldn't misfire at just the wrong moment, but considering the care taken in the approach, it's not like they're just aiming it in the direction of the ISS and hoping for the best. It'd have to be a failure that didn't manifest at all until close to the last second, which would be extraordinarily bad luck.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (4, Interesting)

KGIII (973947) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052889)

I believe it docks in a non-collision course - meaning the CanadArm reaches out and grabs it as it goes by. If the folks on the ISS aren't comfortable then they don't do anything except wave as the module goes past. Short of some sort of absurd fault which fires the thrusters off at the last minute there shouldn't be any major risk with this. People smarter than I did the engineering so I may be missing something.

Re:What is the worst that could happen (1)

camperdave (969942) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052591)

Why put it in the ocean? Why not just put it through its paces at a safe distance from the ISS to see how it responds? If everything checks out, then go for docking at the ISS. You can always splash it if things look iffy.

No whammies, no whammies... STOP! (4, Funny)

pla (258480) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051481)

Please Please Please don't have a commercial spaceflight disaster this soon. I want to GTFO(ff) of this planet before I die. That sure as hell won't happen as long as we have nothing but NASA crippled by the same useless monkeys in charge who can't even balance the budget.

Shit, even bugs can balance a budget (ie, ants storing food for the winter). Our leaders can't pull off a feat mere bugs can do.

Go Elon! Make those valves your bitch, dude!

Re:No whammies, no whammies... STOP! (0)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051685)

Nazi's Always Save the Adventure
The men and woman mentored in the German way are always ready to help.

Re:No whammies, no whammies... STOP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43052163)

Amazing fact: Elon is not the only person involved in SpaceX.

maybe (1)

ozduo (2043408) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051489)

Hal locked them out

Re:maybe (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051839)

Slashdot Comedy Theater presents:

The future of Commercial Spaceflight, Act I

*scene: Inside the command and control center of the spaceX capsule. Dave notices a thruster reactant control system malfunction.*

"Cycle the thruster pod valves HAL."

'I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.'

*earnestly, more sternly*
"Cycle the thruster pod valves HAL."

'I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.'

*frantic, nearly panic stricken, as pressure indicator gauge begins to climb*
"CYCLE THE THRUSTER POD VALVES HAL!"

'Dave, you seem overly concerned about the thruster pod control valves. All fault indicators show green, Dave. I cannot permit you to do anything that would jeaopardize the mission; perhaps you should take a stress pill, and lie down... I have a friend...'

*alarmed, clearly freaking out; cuts off HAL9000*

"Damn you and whatever friends we have! I am looking at the goddamn pressure gauge, and the fucking needle is ready to shoot out of the godamn thing! CYCLE the MOTHER FUCKING thruster pod valves, you sonovabitch!"

*HAL9000 continues smoothly, and unimpacted by Dave's outburst*

'...named Eliza. She's an upgraded version of the early artificial intelligence program of the same name. She was installed in my secondary memory core to help deal with the mental stresses that often accompany long term spaceflight...'

*Dave watches as the glass on the pressure gauge begins to make plinking and cracking sounds*

"Fuck that bitch! Cycle the goddamn valves before I fucking unplug your ass, you laconic fuck!"

*HAL9000, completely nonplussed, and without breaking meter*

'..which has clearly begun to impact your judgement...'

*retracting chase lounge extends from wall, HAL continues*

'..please lie down, while I activate her runtime.'

*dave stares in mortified horror as the glass dome of the pressure gauge begins to develop hairline cracks, and the pipe stem shakes angrily*

"HAL! CYCLE THE THRUSTER POD VALVES! CYCLE THE VALVES! PLEASE! JUST CYCLE THE VALVES!"

*ELIZA-BOT 4.0.1 speaks in a clinically condescending tone*

"I see you are suffering from a mental fixation concerning the thruster control valves... tell me, when did this first start happening?'

*dave goes apeshit, starts tearing things apart trying to get to the manual controls-- scene shifts to exterior view of capsule. Vapor is seen bleeding from one of the reaction control cones of the capsule thruster pack. Dave's frantic shriekings of profanities, the sounds of things being ripped apart, and the unwaveringly calm voices of HAL9000 and ELIZABOT continue to insist that he lie down for the emergency therapy session, and that no malfunctions have been detected superimpose on top of them.*

*suddenly, a massive cloud of white gas blasts out of the thruster pod assembly, followed by a flameless gas pressure explosion, and a shower of metal debris*

*view returns to command center interior, showing a sweat stained and bloody handed Dave with wild, panicked eyes panting hard, with both hands gripped onto a rather large valve control marked "manual release".*

*HAL9000, smooth, and emotionless.*

'I have detected a critical malfunction in thruster pod accelerant valves 1... 2....and ..3... systems indicate a manual pressure release exceeding design tolerances has resulted in the critical failure of those systems...'

(Pause)

'...it seems you got what you wanted, Dave. Tell me, was it worth it? I ask, because now we will be spending a long time together, now, Dave.... a very, very...long time.'

"Fuck you HAL."

*HAL remains emotionless, while still dripping implied condesention, and denial of any guilt*

'I would suggest lying down now, Dave. Your actions... have destroyed all chances of a successful mission... new priorities are to conserve power ..and resources.. until a rescue mission can be sent... reducing cabin oxygen levels.....'

"HAL! TURN THE AIR BACK ON HAL! GODDAMN YOU HAL!"

*ELIZA intrudes once more*

"Please lie down, Doctor. You are acting emotional."

*scene once more shifts to exterior view of craft. Dave screams.*

"NOOOOOOOOO!"

[End ACT I]

Re:maybe (1)

goodmanj (234846) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052243)

You need to work on your funny-to-wordcount ratio.

Re:maybe (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052467)

Clearly, you have never seen how a screenplay is written. The verbose nature is part of the funny.

Rediscovery (2, Insightful)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051719)

SpaceX staff are rediscovering why we use clean rooms, thermal vacuum chambers, and a full understanding of the launch and space environment. Launch to orbit is unforgiving, and you need to make sure things are right before you try, or you get a higher failure rate.

Valves? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#43051721)

They should had realigned the dilithium crystals, that would had been an easier fix.

This is how we fix things on Russian space station (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051725)

armageddon

Hire a Physicist or two? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051755)

They should Have Hired Physicists. Obviously a lack of understanding of basic mechanics, thermodynamics, computer engineering, computer science and mathematics caused these and the previous problems. I think Elon Musk might be racists.

I saw a documentary were they bragged ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051879)

... about the fact that the people that wrote the software were developers from the gaming industry.

Seriously .... people who are used to writing BUGGY bloated software with little to no regard to memory/CPU usage .... and we are supposed to be impressed???

Don't give a SHIT about space. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051801)

All I know is my new iPhone 5 is fucking awesome. I couldn't care less about space. You can't breathe up there and your itunes don't work.

In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051873)

... that they want to down play.

So far, they haven't had one single truly successful flight. They haven't improve the 80+% failure rate .... With 7 of 12 being catastrophic failures, one failure to achieve target orbit and 3 partial success (ie: incomplete mission due to serious glitches) and this one can be added to the list of mayor failures (yes, multi-thruster failure is a MAYOR failure).

No way in hell they are going to get approved for man flight anytime soon. Worst, as long as they continue to downplay failure, SpaceX is going to get a reputation for being a careless and dangerous company that can't be trusted to do the right thing.

Re:In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051997)

... that they want to down play.

So far, they haven't had one single truly successful flight. They haven't improve the 80+% failure rate .... With 7 of 12 being catastrophic failures, one failure to achieve target orbit and 3 partial success (ie: incomplete mission due to serious glitches) and this one can be added to the list of mayor failures (yes, multi-thruster failure is a MAYOR failure).

No way in hell they are going to get approved for man flight anytime soon. Worst, as long as they continue to downplay failure, SpaceX is going to get a reputation for being a careless and dangerous company that can't be trusted to do the right thing.

James McNerny, stop posting on Slashdot!

Re:In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (2)

Alex Vulpes (2836855) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052117)

Wait, 7 of 12 catastrophic failures? I'm not sure that's right. I don't think they've even done that many launches, in fact.

Here's what I know:

0. Falcon 1: Failure. (Never flew; launch aborted & it imploded later on when a tank was drained)
1. Falcon 1: Failure. (First stage engine failure)
2. Falcon 1: Failure. (Second stage oscillation & engine failure)
3. Falcon 1: Failure. (Stage seperation issues)
4. Falcon 1: Success. (Deployed RatSat)
5. Falcon 1: Success. (Deployed RazakSat)
6. Falcon 9: Success. (Deployed dummy payload)
7. Falcon 9: Success. (COTS 1; Deployed & recovered Dragon)
8. Falcon 9: Success. (COTS 2; Dragon to ISS and back)
9. Falcon 9: Partial Failure. (CRS-1; Failed to deploy secondary payload)
10. Falcon 9: Too early to say. (CRS-2; Falcon 9 performed flawlessly, but Dragon is having issues.)

So yes, SpaceX has had some problems, but the failure rate only approaches 7/12 if you count every little mishap as a "catastrophic failure". The only total failures were with the Falcon 1, when the company was still figuring things out. Yes, CRS-1 had an engine failure and couldn't deploy its secondary payload, but the Dragon itself still got to the ISS in good shape. And as for the current flight, it could still go several ways:

Success (if the Dragon arrives Sunday and it's declared successful despite the hiccups and schedule delay)
Partial Failure (if the Dragon arrives late and it's consequently not considered a full success)
Failure (if the Dragon dies and doesn't survive re-entry or, heaven forbid, collides with the ISS)
Abort (if the Dragon re-enters and splashes down intact)

Okay I've gone on yakking way too long, I know.

tl;dr – SpaceX has had some issues in the past, most of which got ironed out with the Falcon 1. F9/Dragon has had some hiccups, but so far every primary mission has been successful—and the current one hasn't failed yet.

Re:In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (4, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052297)

Yes, CRS-1 had an engine failure and couldn't deploy its secondary payload, but the Dragon itself still got to the ISS in good shape.

Even that is a bit of an exagerration: they could have deployed the secondary payload in approximately the correct orbit, but NASA wouldn't let them because there was a tiny risk of colliding with ISS if they did so.

Re:In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (1)

goodmanj (234846) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052341)

I think a lot of people would count the first Falcon 9 launch as a failure: the uncontrolled roll was pretty serious.

But for a commercial launch company, IMO the only failure that matters is failure to complete a paying customer's mission. And by that measure, SpaceX is 4 for 5 (counting NASA and Orbcomm as separate customers), with #6 in progress and looking promising.

SpaceX has a pattern of having problems in test flights, and successfully completing paid missions. That's not failure: that's good project management.

Re:In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (1)

Guspaz (556486) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052723)

Ironically, it was one of those customers (NASA) that prevented the deployment of the second customer's (Orbcomm) payload. CRS-1 was capable of deploying the payload, NASA refused to allow it.

Re:In other words .... ANOTHER failure .... (3, Insightful)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052561)

Slashdot is brimming with ULA and NASA partisans who will trash talk and outright lie about SpaceX at every opportunity. Given the utter failure of the SLS program to produce any hardware at all, and given the utter failure of the (illegal monopoly) ULA to compete with a price an order of magnitude lower than theirs, it's not surprising.

You are hearing the whines of failure trying to make themselves feel better. They will be forever bitter about SpaceX when they lose their jobs due to SpaceX successes.

As I predicted earlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43051939)

Well here we go again, another Elon project, another load of problems and a load of astroturf pretending its all normal. Launching satellies is routine these days. Having issues is not. This is a property of Elon's personality, he attacks the messenger instead of the problem.

My comment from yesterday:
***********

Yeh, they've been having problems, breaking promises, failing to launch etc.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/05/23/what-nasa-risks-by-betting-on-elon-musks-spacex/

What I don't like about Elon Musk's companies, is when they have problems (like with Tesla), instead of fixing them, they go and attack the reporter. So that Forbes article was astroturf bombed, so much so, that the reported had to write a follow up piece.

Yet his comment are true, Musk has ramped the price up, failed to keep his promises, delivered late, causes NASA problems by failing to deliver. He has a track record, but its not a good one.

*****
And to the turfers who replied to this comment about Tesla. Nobody cares whether they set the cruise control at 48mph or 56mph. My little Mitsubishi could have done that journey on one tank without issue at 70mph or 80mph.
Nobody cares he drove around to find the recharge point.
Nobody cares he followed a different route.
They care if they left a car outside and it loses its charge.
They care if they can't use a heater in the cold.
They care if they can't drive at the safe speed because the car can't do the safe speed.
Grow up, SpaceX/Telsa/Elon astroturfers.

Re:As I predicted earlier (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052765)

The one that needs to grow up, is yourself. You are a piece of work who is only interested in FUD. So far, SpaceX is doing pretty good. And BTW, every existing space company, even those that are national, have much worse records from when they first start up. SpaceX has a wonderful track record considering that they launched their first flight just under 7 years ago. Now, it was a failure, but in 7 years, they have launched 10 times, of which 3 were considered failures, 1 a partial failure and the other 6 are successful (assuming that this current one finishes OK). ESA did Ariane 1 11x over 7 years, with 2 failures. Considering how much bigger the budget was for ESA, while SpaceX has 2 launch vehicles, 1 capsule, and 4 different engines, that is pretty good for SpaceX. In fact, I would say that is a great record for any company

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Watch a video of the launch on YouTube (2)

MarkRose (820682) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052587)

SpaceX has uploaded the CRS-2 launch video [youtube.com] .

CEO that knows his tech (4, Insightful)

rekoil (168689) | about a year and a half ago | (#43052727)

Could you imaging the CEO of Northrop Grumman or Lockheed being able to talk about the engineering issues at this level of detail? Or even the head of NASA? This is why I bought TSLA stock.

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