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Nearly Every NYC Crime Involves Computers, Says Manhattan DA

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the most-new-yorkers-are-cyborgs dept.

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jjp9999 writes "Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance says cybercrimes are the fastest growing crimes in New York City, and criminals of all types are finding uses for digital tools. The Epoch Times reports that during a Feb. 28 event, Vance said it has reached a point where 'It is rare that a case does not involve some kind of cyber or computer element that we prosecute in our office — whether it is homicide, whether it's financial crime case, whether it's a gang case where the gang members are posting on Facebook where they're going to meet.' He also noted that organized crime groups in New York are shifting their focus to cybercrime, and that many local criminals are working with international hackers."

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Really? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060699)

Posting your meeting place on FB gives a crime a "computer element"? I guess in the old days looking through the phone book to pick a pawn shop to rob added a "yellow pages element" to the crime. Most criminals wear a watch to make sure they're "on time" or "on schedule". Better add a Timex division to every police force.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

penix1 (722987) | about a year ago | (#43060721)

No, what he is saying is that criminals (gangs in the case you are deriding) are using technology such as FB more to organize those crimes. I suspect he is also trying to say that the police and DA offices are having a difficult time keeping up with the advances in technology.

Re:Really? (3, Interesting)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43060909)

The more time passes the more the world starts to look like CP2020, we have out of control corporations pushing around corrupt governments, street gangs getting jobs from fixers, all it needs now is a direct brain interface with the internet and we're there.

Kinda cool in a way.

Re:Really? (1)

the simurgh (1327825) | about a year ago | (#43061433)

out of control corporations are why we have such a corrupt government.

Re:Really? (1)

CncRobot (2849261) | about a year ago | (#43061675)

Corrupt government soliciting coroporations are why we have out of control corporations.

Re:Really? (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about a year ago | (#43062487)

Corrupt government soliciting coroporations are why we have out of control corporations.

Computers don't cause crime, people cause...oh, wait!

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43062611)

Backwards. See "regulatory capture". Money corrupts politics, not the other way around.

FEAR MONGERING (4, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43061753)

Fear mongering, to justify warrentless and pervasive "intelligence-gathering". Somehow "regular criminals are using computers to endanger us all!" is expected to resonate.

The network-connected computer is an incidental and pervasive technology. There is a general level of enablement offered by the technology, to all aspects of society. One of these aspect also happens to be organizing commission of crimes.

Crime is defined through three elements: Motive, Opportunity and Willingness. The thrust of the argument is that somehow having a computer enhances "opportunity". This requires no greater caution over the technology than landlines, wristwatches or even street lighting.

The computer is also a passive technology to "intent", like street lighting or automobiles, incidental to the creation of criminal opportunity, as cited by the cops. But there is an insinuation made that the intent aspect is even more heinous, when a computer is introduced as a factor.

Don't fall for it. Stop feds, stop pigs. Whenever, wherever you can.

Re:Really? (2)

lexsird (1208192) | about a year ago | (#43061719)

It sounds like buzzword whoring to soak more budget funds out of the tax payer.

Re:Really? (2)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#43063685)

I suspect he is also trying to say that the police and DA offices are having a difficult time keeping up with the advances in technology.

I suspect he's making the case for legislation giving him broader access to online activity inquiries and surveillance without judicial oversight.

Nothing to see here, just law enforcement asking for their magic network backdoor again. I'm sure the "stop child pornography" argument will be making its appearance soon.

Re:Really? (2)

blueg3 (192743) | about a year ago | (#43062081)

That might be useful, if only watches stored evidence. They don't, but computers do.

The gist of it is that, in investigating a crime, you need to look where the evidence is. More often today, a lot of this evidence is bits on a computing device or stored with an online service. So, police need to be equipped to actually be able to do that and to be able to do it correctly.

Re:Really? (1)

sjames (1099) | about a year ago | (#43062867)

Posted to facebook = cybercrime. Had a cellphone on him = cyber crime. Robbing someone with a baseball bat at the ATM = cybercrime, stealing a cellphone = cybercrime. Somehow convincing someone that a legal pad and a pen are the latest in tablet computing and selling the combo for $500 = cybercrime.

So, it's official. 'cybercrime' no longer carries any useful information, so we can just call it all 'crime' again.

Re:Really? (2)

bfandreas (603438) | about a year ago | (#43062963)

The notorious Elouise "Granny" Smith kept an Excel spreadsheet of all the apples she painted green and rendered inedible.
Joe "Bazooka" Henries bragged on Facebook how much chewing gum he had stolen.
Elmer "'Lil Gangsta" Pompelfroy tweeted each dodged fare into the world.
Richard "Lyndon B. Johnson" Nixon had an AMA on Reddit.
And Bill "Babyface" Gates admitted to jaywalking on IRC

It doesn't take too much imagination to fit some computerized equipment into any crime. You just wait. It won't be long before carrying a laptop will be considered being equipped for heineous, unpleasant crime.
Jaywalking while carrying a laptop will land you in the slammer for life since that's three strikes in one.

Nobody made a fuss when most crimes in the 70ies and 80ies involved a landline. And before that crime was quite likely to involve shoes. Possibly even underwear.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43064051)

It was also found that they all drank water the same day. Very very suspicious and damning. The FBI has got this one down cold.

Cyber crime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060723)

So, if I post we are going to meet on Facebook, it is now a cyber crime even if the actual criminal components take place in the real world? That seems a little ludicrous to me. Does mugging someone and taking their iPad count as a cyber crime too?

Easy fix! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060743)

Any device with a screen and keyboard should be banned!
 

In other news... (5, Insightful)

bhmit1 (2270) | about a year ago | (#43060749)

Nearly every crime involves transportation and communication. This is less of a story about how cybercrime is a threat and we should all unplug from the dangerous internet and worry about the next attack on a major utility company. Rather it's a realization that technology is an extension of our lives now, everything is impacted by it, and that's no different for criminals.

Re:In other news... (5, Funny)

ByteSlicer (735276) | about a year ago | (#43060997)

In other news: Nearly Every NYC Crime Involves Shoes.

Re:In other news... (1)

Fishchip (1203964) | about a year ago | (#43061609)

And clothes. And the biochemical transformation of air into human-exhaust. Holy crap, crime has its devious fingers in EVERYTHING.

Re:In other news... (2)

blueg3 (192743) | about a year ago | (#43062099)

And there are forensic specialists that analyze shoeprints at a crime scene. Also fibers left behind by clothing and tire tracks.

Re:In other news... (2)

nabsltd (1313397) | about a year ago | (#43062647)

And there are forensic specialists that analyze shoeprints at a crime scene. Also fibers left behind by clothing and tire tracks.

Yes, they do exist, but despite what TV shows try to tell you, nobody checks for shoeprints when someone breaks into your house and steals everything you own. Unless there is some sort of personal injury, they probably won't even check for fingerprints. In the same way, the police likely aren't going to check to see if the crime against you was "announced" on Facebook.

As others have noted, the whole article is scare tactics to get laws passed to allow police more ability to violate your rights. That's really obvious when you read stuff like the following in TFA:

Many local criminals are working with international hackers—often hired guns in the former Soviet bloc who can help them con people from the other side of the world.

The provocative phrasing ("hired guns", "former Soviet bloc") is just the sort of thing used to try and get people to think that "something must be done about this", just like "it's all for the good of the children".

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43063377)

Yes the c pron and terrorists-under-the-bed red herrings are getting old so they've decided to hammer the good ol' fashioned "you'll get robbed and beaten if we don't..." agenda. You can expect mr and mrs dumbfuck and their congressman to fall for this while the media sucks its balls with glee.

Re:In other news... (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062337)

In other news: Nearly Every NYC Crime Involves Shoes.

Immediate blockage of the sale of socks will act as a deterrent. Get this out to all TV stations immediately! :>

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43062485)

BAN ALL THE SHOES!

Re:In other news... (4, Insightful)

cellocgw (617879) | about a year ago | (#43060999)

Nearly every crime involves transportation and communication.

Exactly. (I'm feeling too old this AM to type "This" :-) ) I was going to respond that nearly every crime involved breathing.
So why is it that so many people over 30 (and I'm waaay over 30) seem incapable of learning new shit? Maybe I'm a serious outlier, like most of us on /. , but I live for the opportunity to learn and adjust.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061177)

It's not exclusive to "over 30", it's all age ranges. Despite the ridiculously over exaggerated media image, young people are no better off in regards to computers, they are just better at hiding it since they at least know the words in some rare cases know the context to use the words. The reason is dead simple, they give up without even trying, they just assume that computers are hard to understand.

There is no excuse for someone using words like "memory" in regards to computers wrong when it's been explained to them in almost every conceivable way what "memory" is. That's just an easy to spot example of what I mean, they simply aren't even trying.

I wish I would learn to just STFU and stop wasting my breath on these people. Maybe I should just start throwing around terms like "trade secret" so that I don't have to explain shit and just get the work done, it's not like they actually care to understand whatever their asking me about.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061627)

Yet, imagine how medical personell must have it.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061269)

And every crime involves walking or breathing! :rolleyes: What maroons!

Re:In other news... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43061395)

1920's: "More and criminal elements use the telephone as an aid in thier criminal endevors. Machine Gun Kelly hs often been heard to contact his cronies to plan heists using the popular device."

Further loosening of Fourth Amendment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061275)

The real story is that NYC authorities are now seizing the computers and cell phones of anybody who comes into contact with law enforcement in order to fish for possible crimes.

The logical conclusion: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43062491)

Time to stop calling everything that smells fishy and involves something vaguely digital in some way "hacking" as we're still doing now.

Besides, we need that word for something else: For celebrating ingenuity.

TIme for computer registration (4, Funny)

musterion (305824) | about a year ago | (#43060761)

Obviously, computers facilitate crime, so we must register them and their users. Think of the income from this that cities like Detriot desperatly need. And while we are at it, no person under 18 should be allowed to have a cellphone wiht a camera. These facilitate "sexting".

Re:TIme for computer registration (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43061575)

You laugh, but we could eventually one day have some kind of communications device registration legislation, where comms devices have DRM etc

Re:TIme for computer registration (3, Insightful)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43062205)

Hey, the East Germans tracked every privately owned typewriter so that they could know who might write or might have written subversive or anti-state material. Considering the twisted theorizing and behaviors the USA govt is currently performing, your comms drm concept may fly yet.

Re:TIme for computer registration (1)

musterion (305824) | about a year ago | (#43064235)

Yeah, Absolutely. We already know about the tiny yellow letter that get printed by many inkjet printers, so the printer can be traced. see : https://www.eff.org/issues/printers

Re:TIme for computer registration (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061773)

Obviously, computers facilitate crime, so we must register them and their users.

Maybe a 10-12 digit number, with location encoded in the first few...a country code and area code, for example. I'll bet the comms providers would be happy to manage the assignment and maintenance of those numbers for a modest monthly fee.

Re:TIme for computer registration (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062355)

Obviously, computers facilitate crime, so we must register them and their users. Think of the income from this that cities like Detriot desperatly need. And while we are at it, no person under 18 should be allowed to have a cellphone wiht a camera. These facilitate "sexting".

Spoken language is also used as a motive, opportunity, and means. Registration of words and recording of all spoken language is required immediately! :>

Re:TIme for computer registration (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about a year ago | (#43062719)

Obviously, the cops in Manhattan should be given iPads and 4G phones, and they should patrol the streets less, and spend more time behind their desk browsing FaceBook, responding to email, looking at Craigslist postings, and watching questionable Youtube videos.

Mugging? Murder? You name it... (4, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#43060777)

Whatever your taste in crime, there's an app for that.

Re:Mugging? Murder? You name it... (1)

bfandreas (603438) | about a year ago | (#43063049)

Really? I love taping porcupines to condoms. Yet I find no app for "Popish Plot" on the Windows Store.
I taught my cat to meow tunes from sound of Music and failed to get a RIAA license for him. Yet I find no "Pirate Cat" app on the Ovi Store.

Which proves criminals use iThings and Androids almost exclusively. Those bastards!

It does go both ways (5, Interesting)

transporter_ii (986545) | about a year ago | (#43060791)

Last week I noticed some items missing from my front porch. I had installed a couple of game cameras to strategically catch my front door. Went back through and had 4 pictures of the guy taking stuff, and two were quite nice since they are 4 megapixel cameras.

Pictures got posted on FB (not by me actually, I hate FB) and I had a name for the sheriffs office by the next morning. Even found his FB page so we could compare pictures.

Re:It does go both ways (1)

ScentCone (795499) | about a year ago | (#43060849)

Those cheap IR/daytime trail cameras have a million uses. Very handy.

Re:It does go both ways (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about a year ago | (#43062377)

Makes a guy wonder. With the advent of cheap web cams and 100' USB cables, how hard would it be to start a cheap home security business? Charge people a one time 400$ fee and tell them their computer has to stay on all the time. The cost of components at most is $100, so you'd get 300$ profit per installation.

Re:It does go both ways (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#43064355)

Last week I noticed some items missing from my front porch. I had installed a couple of game cameras to strategically catch my front door. Went back through and had 4 pictures of the guy taking stuff, and two were quite nice since they are 4 megapixel cameras.

Pictures got posted on FB (not by me actually, I hate FB) and I had a name for the sheriffs office by the next morning. Even found his FB page so we could compare pictures.

Wow, they probably had to work overtime just to ignore that evidence, but I'm sure in the end, that is what they did, or maybe put him in jail for a couple of hours and then let him go back out on the street, where you are now his #1 enemy.

boogie man (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060817)

This is just a politician building a boogie man, just one more link in the faux argument that the government continues to make regarding privacy in tech, or their desire for lack thereof.

I have no idea what party the DA is (nor does it matter), but I can tell you the DA is clearly a shill for the "if you have nothing to hide, why do you care about privacy" crowd.

Re:boogie man (1)

Sperbels (1008585) | about a year ago | (#43061729)

This is just a politician building a boogie man, just one more link in the faux argument that the government continues to make regarding privacy in tech, or their desire for lack thereof. I have no idea what party the DA is (nor does it matter), but I can tell you the DA is clearly a shill for the "if you have nothing to hide, why do you care about privacy" crowd

There's absolutely no reason to down vote this post unless you support this kind of government fear mongering.

Another proof (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060819)

that computers cause crime. Burn them all!

Welcome to 2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060825)

Nearly anything involves computers...

Nearly every crime involves a phone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060831)

Nearly every crime involves a phone - most phones would qualify as computers.

NYC seem to be masters of the obvious.

Re:Nearly every crime involves a phone (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year ago | (#43061193)

Nearly every crime involves a phone - most phones would qualify as computers.

NYC seem to be aware of the obvious.

But maybe not masters of it yet.

FTFY

In the news Again! (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#43060843)

I'm not sure why crime in NYC is being advertised so much. Is there something magical about that cities crime. Is is the usual Tax or New laws or draconian spying on the *ordinary people*...or something else.

I'm no expert but last time NYC was trolling with http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57561160-37/nyc-mayor-blames-theft-of-apple-devices-for-uptick-in-crime/ [cnet.com] Apple iPhone crime, ironically nothing as exciting as international *hacking* related involved in these crimes, that are apparently so frequent they skew statistics..its just your good old fashioned stealing.

My guess is *tracking* everyone by their phones...My second guess would be firewall NYC.

Re:In the news Again! (0)

msk (6205) | about a year ago | (#43060885)

Well, one reason could be that gun-free zones like NYC and Chicago are supposed to be crime-free.

But they're not. They're worse.

Re:In the news Again! (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#43064365)

Well, one reason could be that gun-free zones like NYC and Chicago are supposed to be crime-free.

But they're not. They're worse.

Of course they're worse. The criminals know that nobody in those cities is able to defend themselves. It's a free-for-all.

Re:In the news Again! (1)

blackbeak (1227080) | about a year ago | (#43062045)

... and 99% of NYC crime is committed by someone who's had a "super-sized" soda! Thank God the Mayor is on top of things.

*crime (1)

flayzernax (1060680) | about a year ago | (#43060861)

mail crime! (oooh those kid nappers and their random letters!)
brick crime! Crimes involving bricks!
spraypaint crime! (lets just call it graffiti and be specific please!)
clothing crime!
THOUGHT CRIME!

Fuck, just like people can use a car to kill someone, and I know we must be a pedantic race and create "vehicular homicide" why not just call it MURDER.

My favorite is going to be DRONE crime when its no longer in the hands of only the power elite. RC Terrorists! OMG....

*caution the above post is pedantic, sarcastic, inflammatory, trolly, and generally a poorly written diatribe. It may not be suitable for sane people who like to align themselves with any particular scientific methodologies or political parties. Its definitely not full of journalistic integrity or accuracy.

Re:*crime (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year ago | (#43061895)

Given that cars are used also in getaways and transport to and from a crime scene, it's fair to guess that most crimes do involve a car.

Re:*crime (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062381)

mail crime! (oooh those kid nappers and their random letters!)
brick crime! Crimes involving bricks!
spraypaint crime! (lets just call it graffiti and be specific please!)
clothing crime!

Awesome comment :)

And, and, and, if we control it all from the outside in, people will be more protected and feel safe, right? Fucking stupid Humans. We will apparently never learn as a whole that the crimes are all driven by childhood development (this includes abuse, rejection, excessive praise, media, food, well fuck, everything).

Who is surprised? (4, Insightful)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about a year ago | (#43060897)

While I haven't read the article.

Today everything in life requires a computer, to take money out of the bank, going up the elevator, walk through the automatic shop doors, the cctv recording every move in the shop, the alarm system, the opening of the cash register. What's more I'm carrying my smart phone, a credit card.... So far in about 5 minutes and I already can't count how many computers have been involved.

No, the surprising thing is that the idiotic governments see this as any different to a security guard being sat there and manually writing down a list of people passing him, the guy at the cash register maintaining a list of everyone he served at the counter. They need a warrant to take that list, they think just cause it's a computer rather than a human recording the information a warrant can be ignored!

Re:Who is surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060935)

Mod up please! ^ Insightful

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

drolli (522659) | about a year ago | (#43061043)

Even looking up the time requires me to use a computer.

"They used their smartphones to adjust the timing of the crime" could translate to "they did not have other watches"

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

nabsltd (1313397) | about a year ago | (#43062679)

"They used their smartphones to adjust the timing of the crime" could translate to "they did not have other watches"

And that they used their smartphones as phones to communicate the changes. Oh, the humanity.

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061859)

Just saw some tv detective series, I forgot which.

"We now know why there is no paper trial; he doesn't trust computers, so he wrote everything down."

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#43061943)

While I agree with the gist of your post, automatic shop doors don't usually have computers attached do them. They use fairly simple circuits that are triggered by changes in the reflected signal. So far, circuits like that are cheaper than a computer, though we're getting to the point where that might stop being true.

Here's an example [electroschematics.com] , though commercial products will usually use a single-chip solution rather than building their own circuit. You can buy those chips for around $.50 these days.

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about a year ago | (#43062799)

Okay, so it's a preprogrammed processor then? Though I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't a few that are running on generic AVR or PIC processors. You do know to reprogram ENIAC1 or Colossus they had to rewire them from scratch.

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#43063247)

If that already counts as computer, where does it stop? Is a light that is switched by two (directly wired) switches a computer because the two switches implement an XOR gate?

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#43063947)

No. The circuit diagram is not a preprogrammed processor. It's not a processor at all.

If you stick a processor in a door, you've added a more expensive part that now has to have someone program it before it can be used. You've also gained nothing over your competitors who use a common off-the shelf component that costs far less than what you've designed. Companies that stay in business tend to try to avoid making mistakes like that.

Re:Who is surprised? (2)

blueg3 (192743) | about a year ago | (#43062189)

They don't. In general, you need a warrant to seize a computer just like you need a warrant to seize anything else. There are currently two major exceptions to this, neither of which is really solidified yet. One is data about you or held on your behalf by a third party. This is murky in the real world, too, but it tends to be less common, whereas digital data held by a third party is very common (e-mail residing on your ISP's servers, for example). The other exception is the search of cell phones when you're arrested. There is already a general physical-world rule that you and your immediate possessions can be searched when you're arrested (recall that an arrest often requires a warrant already); that's a search incident to an arrest. However, if one of those possessions is a cell phone or, worse, a smart phone, there's no clear delineation of how extensively its contents can be searched. In this situation, if you had a paper phonebook, it could be searched. By extension, some argue that any contents of your phone can be searched, but with smartphones, that's giving access to a lot of data.

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about a year ago | (#43062807)

At the moment, cause they are covered by current laws which apply the same for words on paper as bits on a hard drive. But they keep trying to write a law that exempts it if it is stored on computers.

Re:Who is surprised? (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062399)

Today everything in life requires a computer, to take money out of the bank, going up the elevator, walk through the automatic shop doors, the cctv recording every move in the shop, the alarm system, the opening of the cash register. What's more I'm carrying my smart phone, a credit card.... So far in about 5 minutes and I already can't count how many computers have been involved.

No, the surprising thing is that the idiotic governments see this as any different to a security guard being sat there and manually writing down a list of people passing him, the guy at the cash register maintaining a list of everyone he served at the counter. They need a warrant to take that list, they think just cause it's a computer rather than a human recording the information a warrant can be ignored!

Amen. Awesome comment! :)

You know, not to take it too far, but another thing that is involved in every crime is the use of oxygen. It's all around in the mix of thoughts and tools!

Shocked, shocked I say! (2)

fldsofglry (2754803) | about a year ago | (#43060951)

Criminals use any tool at their disposal. Computers are just now another tool in the toolbox. I guess it helps to know the trend.

CARS!! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43060973)

It is rare today to find a crime that doesn't involve an automobile in some way. As a getaway car, the jacked in a carjacking, or as transportation to the airport for those jumping bail, we very rarely see a case cross our desks these days that does not involve a car.

Therefore, our special car crimes unit needs more money.

AC

Re:CARS!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061287)

Air crime, EVERYONE USES AIR TO COMMIT CRIMES! Also carbohyrdates and fatty acids.

DNA! CRIME! ZOMG....

Re:CARS!! (1)

blueg3 (192743) | about a year ago | (#43062195)

Maybe some kind of database that ties state-mandated labels on cars to the vehicle's owner.

Re:CARS!! (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062407)

It is rare today to find a crime that doesn't involve an automobile in some way. As a getaway car, the jacked in a carjacking, or as transportation to the airport for those jumping bail, we very rarely see a case cross our desks these days that does not involve a car.

Therefore, our special car crimes unit needs more money.

AC

Don't fret. Google is developing cars. All activity will be monitored! :-D It's a GoodThing(sm)!

According to NY Logic... (0)

Grimbleton (1034446) | about a year ago | (#43061069)

Time to outlaw computers and shame "cyber nuts" out of the hobby.

Almost every crime involves people (4, Funny)

Stirling Newberry (848268) | about a year ago | (#43061197)

This anthrocriminal element is taking over I tell you.

Re:Almost every crime involves people (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062413)

This anthrocriminal element is taking over I tell you.

Locate and control all carbon immediately! Parents will feel safe, and society will be more, well....... uh..... Invest!

The thing about your more sentient criminals... (2)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year ago | (#43061217)

Is that they're actually forced by their battle with law enforcement to become more innovative, more adept at their trade if you will, in order to remain free to practice their alternative income schemes. Law enforcement is kept busy with all measure of law breakers. Even the burglar who leaves his wallet behind at the scene of the crime requires an arrest, booking, detective interviews, and prosecution. It has occurred to me that much of law enforcement's time and energy go to plucking low-hanging fruit. Is it any wonder they are losing the battle to adapt technologically?

Which is why Aaron's Law is badly needed... (2)

D4C5CE (578304) | about a year ago | (#43061289)

...when every minor misdemeanor or even purely civil matter becomes a federal felony.
The legal response to progress must not be "harsher punishments for every new generation" to consider computers (including cellphones these days) evil because "even" organized crime uses them, and to treat everyone else (who inevitably has to use them as part of one's daily life as well) like a mobster too - until the whole world becomes a "prison planet". Good to see a DA (possibly unintentionally) acknowledge the real issue in the midst of fearmongering.
Cf. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/aarons-law-amending-the-cfaa/ [wired.com]

Consider the source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061309)

The Epoch Times? Seriously?

cyber bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061379)

I'm sick of people using the word Cyber like they fucking understand what they are talking about. We need more CYBER OMGZ!!!!111eleventy. Everytime I heard the word "cyber" I want to hook up a 240V mains line to their testicles. Seriously.

Re:cyber bullshit (2)

Sloppy (14984) | about a year ago | (#43061529)

No problem. We'll just replace "cyber" with "digital" and then it'll sound less stupid.

[replace replace replace] Hmm.. that's odd. How come it's not working?

Re:cyber bullshit (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year ago | (#43062449)

No problem. We'll just replace "cyber" with "digital" and then it'll sound less stupid.

[replace replace replace] Hmm.. that's odd. How come it's not working?

You're typing with the wrong "digits".

I'm sorry; had to. :)

He's right! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061461)

Why, just a couple of weeks ago, someone broke into my car, and stole a laptop!

Fact - Every Crime Involves A Cell Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061481)

Every crime involves a cell phone. Perhaps we should ban cell phones. Perhaps, cell phones are the cause of all crime. We really don't know. We haven't gotten an studies or research to prove that cell phones are not the cause of criminal activity. Maybe it is the non-ionizing radiation from the microwave transmitters in the cell phones that are altering people's brains so that they are compelled to commit crimes. We can't prove that this is not the case.

Maybe NYC should focus less on sugary drinks and more on cell phones. It's especially bad since cell phones today can connect to the internet so they have the added cyberpressure as well.

this 1s &goatsex (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43061745)

trhinSg for the you have a play

Of course (3, Funny)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#43061871)

Arson, assault, bail jumping, bigamy, breaking and entering, bribing a police officer, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, cemetery desecration, child abandonment, child abuse, contempt of court, discharging a firearm within city limits, disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, domestic violence, drug possession, drunk driving, failure to pay child support, incest, indecent exposure, improper disposal of hazardous waste (like contaminated needles), kidnapping, loitering, obstruction of justice, perjury, possessing lockpicks, probation violation, public intoxication, rioting, shoplifting, tampering with a consumer product, trespassing, vandalism, vehicular assault, violating an open container law.

Clearly it all involves computers!

because of the warrentless wiretapping laws (2)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#43062171)

What do they expect? They make it so you don't have to get warrents to tap someone phoneline, so no point in using old technology when you can get better protection with new technology.

Was it a shock when bank robbers stopped using horses and started to use cars to get away?

Was it a shock when robbers stopped using knifes and went with a gun?

Is it a shock that a politician doesn't understand how life works?

Re:because of the warrentless wiretapping laws (2)

zippthorne (748122) | about a year ago | (#43062587)

The point of requiring warrants to do wire tapping is not to protect the right of criminals to get away with crimes. It's to protect the rest of us from officials abusing their power....

Re:because of the warrentless wiretapping laws (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43064071)

It's actually to protect everyone, not just the 'rest of you' and not just the non-criminals (whatever that means these days).

It's true (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about a year ago | (#43062445)

Some guy tried to shank me with a RAZR.

Nothing to see here, move along. (1)

jenningsthecat (1525947) | about a year ago | (#43062537)

In an earlier day, I'm sure pretty much the same could have been said of telephones and telephone books, and before that libraries, or even public roads and streets. If it's societal infrastructure and it's used to contact/connect with other people or access information, it's gonna be used A LOT in the commission of crimes.

I'm all for foiling identity thieves and the like, and I realize that cybercrime is a real threat to all of us. However this story should also be recognized as one that serves the best interests of those who are in power and want to remain there, to the point where it might be considered propaganda. Count on it, and others like it, being used as justification for further encroachments on freedom.

Judge Death (1)

meglon (1001833) | about a year ago | (#43062589)

"All crime is committed by the living. The punishment is death."

Computers are used, because the police MAKE them.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43062625)

The Police are involving computers in every crime because they make it so due to their actions.

What's the first thing that happens when police get involved?

1) They grab the cell phones of any person who is "of interest" and download everything, (recent calls, pics, etc.)
2) They immediately seize all computers/laptops.

The police do this, they are making every crime involve a computer (whether it actually does or not).

Cyrus Vance Jr (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | about a year ago | (#43062981)

That's Cyrus Vance Jr. Cyrus Vance (Secretary of State under Carter) died in 2002.

If they do not come up with a way of securing our. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43063121)

Computers soon computer commerce will collapse and with it the go go world economy.
Once your bank is cleaned out you never shop or bank on line ever again.

Shredding with weekly fires of the remains becomes your norm.

It's about time.... (1)

oldmeddler (1614805) | about a year ago | (#43063177)

... for background checks for computer buyers, banning Assault Computers, and hard drives than hold more than 7 GB of storage.

Does that include iPhone thefts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43063215)

Or don't those count?

& yet Obama's SEC & DOJ refuse to prosecut (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43063627)

he's absolutely right!

frontrunning, insider trading, naked shorting happen thousands of times per SECOND!

& that's before you get into things like MERS...

what? that's not what he meant?

I'm stunned...

Great (1)

JRHelgeson (576325) | about a year ago | (#43064245)

This means Bloomberg is going to ban computers next.

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