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Chinese IT Ministry Looks Askance At Google's Control of Android

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the derives-from-a-mandate-from-the-masses dept.

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itwbennett writes "In what one expert is calling a clear message to China's tech industry that the authorities want to support a homegrown mobile operating system, China's tech regulator warns in a white paper that the country is becoming too dependent on Google's Android OS. 'Our country's mobile operating system research and development is heavily reliant on Android,' reads the white paper from the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology. 'Although the Android system currently remains open source, the core technologies and technology roadmap is strictly controlled by Google.'"

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Askance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079713)

gobbagobbagoo ya'll!

Daylight Savings Time Poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079907)

Isn't it time for another poll about how much we want to pretend we hate daylight savings time?

First Post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079725)

First Post

Centralized government to Google (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079743)

Pot, kettle, black.

Then... Use your usual techniques? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079745)

And create your own cheap knockoff?

Re:Then... Use your usual techniques? (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079821)

But most of the cheap knockoffs *run* android.

Gotta watch out for those cheap Chinese knock-offs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079919)

And create your own cheap knockoff?

Yep!

What the Chinese will do is get the source code to Android, use a substandard Chinese version of Java and give theirs away for much less than what Google is giving their version of Android away for!

Just wait! We'll see a Chinese version of GNU soon using a sub standard environmentally unfriendly version of 'C' to code their versions!

Re:Gotta watch out for those cheap Chinese knock-o (2)

SilentStaid (1474575) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081107)

Yeah!! What's not to love about a mobile OS that has all the security of the Chinese State Department? On the bright side, every back door to the system will be built there intentionally so you'll know exactly where they all are.

Re:Then... Use your usual techniques? (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082169)

<racism>Andloid?</racism>

Poor PRC commies (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079775)

Can't impose proper surveillance on their people :

Re:Poor PRC commies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080163)

I would rather let PRC commies monitor us than the Zionist on top of Google.

Re:Poor PRC commies (3, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080389)

I'd rather avoid either - but if I had the choice, I'd take the "Zionist" over government.

Fork it (5, Informative)

kimvette (919543) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079787)

Don't like it? Fork it. It's like the typical copycat bullshit China usually does, only better. Others have already taken the initiative:

http://news.yahoo.com/three-android-forks-exist-today-135000744.html [yahoo.com]

Re:Fork it (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079869)

There's no information whatsoever on those forks. What's forky about them? Will they actually be maintained, or are they just customized builds kicked out once for a device? Does that article have any purpose other than to advertise the Nook Color and Kindle and badmouth the Chinese?

Re: Fork it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080119)

'Although the Android system currently remains open source, the core technologies and technology roadmap is strictly controlled by Google.'

Isn't the core technology actually the kernel, and strictly controlled by Linus Torvalds?

Re: Fork it (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080145)

Just wait until he chews out one of the PRC's devs for blaming something on a userspace app!

Re: Fork it (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080517)

I'd pay a little to watch that video. But, only if everyone is speaking in English. I don't even know how to cuss or ask for a beer in Chinese.

Re: Fork it (3, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080709)

I don't even know how to cuss or ask for a beer in Chinese.

Pok gai -- aw yiu bia jou!

Re: Fork it (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080885)

jesus, even the chinese won't understand you...

Re: Fork it (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081037)

I think that was one of the complaints among the cast of 'Serenity' and 'Firefly'.

Re: Fork it (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081633)

well, Firefly wasn't that bad :) They were just heavily accented, but still acceptable. An example would be a frenchman speaking english - accented, but still understandable.

Re: Fork it (1)

SYSS Mouse (694626) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084435)

Someone will just fall on the street over that.

Re: Fork it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080147)

Not really, no. They could conceivably switch to, e.g., a BSD-based kernel without impacting the userspace. Device manufacturers would be upset at needing to rewrite drivers, of course, but the end-user wouldn't notice.

Re: Fork it (1)

SilentStaid (1474575) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081147)

This is actually part of the American cyber-warfare strategy. They're just waiting for China to try to implement a secure-boot function for mobile devices based on the Linux kernel.

Hell hath no fury like Linus, apparently.

Its not about Linux ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081561)

'Although the Android system currently remains open source, the core technologies and technology roadmap is strictly controlled by Google.'

Isn't the core technology actually the kernel, and strictly controlled by Linus Torvalds?

No, "core" is being used in the context of the user experience. In this context Linux is not a core technology of Android. Its just the kernel underneath that very few interact with directly. It could be replaced and few apps or users would notice or care.

The core technologies being referred to are search, cloud services and storage, factory installed apps (ex maps), etc. Maybe the store, purchases.

Re:Fork it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080397)

This.

A process for taking control of the OS at the "core" level already exists. And, with China's well-known propensity to outright steal IP and rebrand it as its own, you'd be a fool to think that they're unaware of how easy this process is.

Re:Fork it (3, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080887)

Or even better - PARTICIPATE. The Android Open Source project is there for a reason.

Manufacturers who want to guide the direction Android goes technologically will work with Google - for example, Sony is a heavy contributor to AOSP. The results of this show with their newer devices, which are far more well integrated than older ones. It's a win-win situation for Sony, Google, and users in general.

But Chinese manufacturers just want to steal and not do any work. Seriously, they have stealing refined to such an art that IF YOU GIVE IT TO THEM FOR FREE THEY STILL MANAGE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO STEAL IT! (Note that nearly every Chinese handset is in noncompliance with the GPL under which the kernel is licensed. Not just halfassed pseudo-compliance like HTC and Samsung with source code that obviously doesn't match what shipped, but full on complete noncompliance with zero kernel source whatsoever.)

They tried and Google banned them (1)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081019)

Android is only "open" in name. Google will put the ban hammer on you if you fork it, just like Microsoft did to squelch BeOS.

http://www.zdnet.com/cn/report-google-stops-acer-from-launching-aliyun-phone-in-china-7000004246/ [zdnet.com]
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Google-prevents-Acer-from-distributing-phones-with-Aliyun-OS-1709555.html [h-online.com]

Also, forking the SDK is now banned. How is Android open again?

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/04/1339206/the-android-sdk-is-no-longer-free-software [slashdot.org]

Re:They tried and Google banned them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081129)

Whole bunch of conjecture in those top two articles: reportedly, presumably, etc. Regardless, presuming that all of the assumptions are factual, Google did nothing that implies Android is anything but open; Acer was completely free to release its phone with the forked OS, albeit at the cost of losing valuable third-party deals via its partnership with Google. This is how capitalism works anywhere in the world -- it has no bearing on the "openness" of the Android OS.

Re:They tried and Google banned them (1)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081309)

; Acer was completely free to release its phone with the forked OS, albeit at the cost of losing valuable third-party deals via its partnership with Google. This is how capitalism works anywhere in the world -- it has no bearing on the "openness" of the Android OS.

Oh, so you mean just like the OEMs were free to bundle Netscape or dual boot BeOS, except that their Windows license cost went up a bit? Right?

Re:They tried and Google banned them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43083759)

Yes, actually, just like that. Monopolization is a part of capitalism -- the end goal, in fact, if you're playing to win. We in the States have decided that we don't like monopolies, though, and have passed and occasionally enforce laws that make their inception and operation more difficult. What we have in the States is not defining example of capitalism... so what was your point, exactly?

To be clear, I'm not saying that it's good or even right, but it has no bearing on whether Android is an open OS. To argue otherwise is akin to implying that dogs pant because purple -- it makes no fucking sense.

Re:They tried and Google banned them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081455)

I always thought Slashdot nerds were joking/being paranoid when they said there were Microsoft shills around here, but after looking at your comment history, I'm convinced they were right.

Re:They tried and Google banned them (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081861)

Yes, lets just pick on the two or three people on here that don't conform to the groupthink echochamber and chase them away calling them shills.

Re:They tried and Google banned them (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081909)

BeOS was forked to Haiku perfectly fine because it was never owned by Microsoft.

I don't see Google shutting down Kindle or Nook that use Android, but are not part of the handset alliance.

Most phone OEMS are members of Google's Android Alliance, as part of that Google works with them for updates, and they promise to keep their Android versions "on the straight and narrow path" for maximum software compatibility. Those are the only times Google throws a fit, when somebody IN the alliance breaks something to get ahead of other OEMS.

Don't they have the source code? (1)

kwanbis (597419) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079803)

Fork it and do not depend on google.

Re:Don't they have the source code? (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080113)

You misread. They can copy the source code for the public parts all they want. They're whining about all the proprietary parts.

It turns out they have no capability to actually create their own stuff, and they want their secret sauce too.

Re:Don't they have the source code? (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080227)

So.. they're whining.

Ignore them. Thread over. Let them do what they want to do. That's their rights as human beings, bit we're within *our* rights to say frag off and ignore them.

Re:Don't they have the source code? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080253)

It's amusing because Google only 'controls the technology roadmap' because the other candidates seem to draw their software and UI dev teams directly from the same talent pool that produces ghastly shovelware to be preloaded on cheap consumer wintels. It's to the point where 'flagship device' means 'not fucked up by OEMs'...

It's honestly pretty pathetic. If anything, some of the anonymous Chinese KiRF vendors are better than the big names, since they don't have the time or money to waste on custom skins or abortive attempts at their own apps stores, or whatnot.

I AIN"T GONNA BUY NO CHINESE OS !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079805)

All your spies are belong to us !!

Huawet and ZTE can suck my hairy vagina !!

Re:I AIN"T GONNA BUY NO CHINESE OS !! (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079987)

I could use a good sucking.

Chinese OS? (1)

coyote_oww (749758) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079817)

Who in their right mind would install a chinese OS on their device, unless it was Open Source. And i'd still be nervous even then.

Re:Chinese OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079963)

The Chinese perhaps?

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080031)

Who in their right mind would install a Google OS on their device, unless it was Open Source. And i'd still be nervous even then.

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

bhagwad (1426855) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080111)

Well you have to install someone's OS. And right now Google is probably the most trustworthy company on the planet.

Re:Chinese OS? (4, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080129)

Well you have to install someone's OS. And right now Google is probably the most trustworthy company on the planet.

Ding! I can trust Apple, Microsoft, or Google. Google's offering is based on Linux and much of it is Open Source. The parts that aren't Open Source tell you that they're spying on you, and are optional. Does it, in fact, get any better than this?

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080561)

Maybe in an alternative reality. If so, I'd like to visit there. Hopefully, Customs wouldn't eat my wallet and my ass when I came back.

Re:Chinese OS? (0)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081089)

But if you actually try to make use of that source code, Google puts a spanner in the works.

http://www.zdnet.com/cn/report-google-stops-acer-from-launching-aliyun-phone-in-china-7000004246/ [zdnet.com]

Also, forking the SDK is now banned. How is Android open again?

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/04/1339206/the-android-sdk-is-no-longer-free-software [slashdot.org]

Their PR is amazing though, no one in this article even remembers the above and the Google shills are in full force shielding Google and blaming "evil" China.

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082237)

Also, forking the SDK is now banned. How is Android open again?

Android is Open Source. Android is not Free Software. Open Source does not mean OSI-approved. Open Source means that you get to see the source, maybe use it internally. Don't let anyone tell you different if they didn't invent the term. They're just trying to obfuscate the situation in order to reflect their self-importance outward; meanwhile, they decrease awareness of the issues around Free Software and why it is meaningfully different from Open Source.

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084881)

But if you actually try to make use of that source code, Google puts a spanner in the works.

Newsflash: You can't have your cake and eat it to.

If you've made an agreement to work towards making Android the dominant mobile OS, then yeah, creating an incompatible fork is likely to get you kicked out of the OHA. If you've made no such agreement, or no longer want to be a part of the OHA, you'll have no troubles.

Also, forking the SDK is now banned. How is Android open again?

It's not [zdnet.com] . Troll harder please.

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080257)

Which is not saying much.

Trust Microsoft as far as you can throw fatass Steve Ballmer.

Trust Google as far as you can throw Larry Page. Slightly longer but not that much of a difference, really.

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080033)

If you intend to use a Chinese phone you will have to trust the company even. Even if you can inspect the source there is no guarantee the binary came from it and wasn't tampered. Unless of course you intend to build it yourself and flash the phone, but even them there is no guarantee the bootloader wasn't tampered either.

That is not a problem exclusive with Chinese phones, by the way. I actually am much less worried about anything Chinese companies would put in my phone than about what American companies would.

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081125)

you could compile the source yourself and compare the binaries i would be more concerned about hardware based back doors when the os and applications are open source

Re:Chinese OS? (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082075)

As I said there is always the bootloader.

Re:Chinese OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080037)

I believe quite many citizens of the most populous country of the world would...

(It's China, honey.)

Re:Chinese OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080595)

Seriously? I thought Africa was the most populous country in the world! Errr - maybe Africa is just the most popular? Hey - I'm American, and I suck at geography, alright?

Re:Chinese OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080291)

Who in their right mind would install a chinese OS on their device

Lots of datacenters are doing just this without realising it. I've just finished reading this paper [fish2.com] . It talks about the vulnerabilities in IPMI and BMC, the latter being the embedded computer that runs inside every server to provide lights-out management, and has full access to everything happening on the computer. Guess what country provides these embedded computers for all the major server vendors?

$50 tablet or unlocked smartPhone says so (2)

peter303 (12292) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081203)

Most of my kitchen appliances and electronics are Chinese now. Whos what they are doing when i am sleeping? :-)

Re:Chinese OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43082495)

i would argue the same against google.... think about it brah. seriously, not trolling. too much.

google is becoming more and more suspicious in my mind as the days go on...

Nice thing about open source (3, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079863)

Is it can be forked. But then we have the question of whether Android, the open source part, is really enough to build a phone or if only basic elements are open source, while key elements are closed or so severely controlled that they might as well be closed.

Of course the Chinese might be able to fork some of it, and the Apache licensee lets them do this without giving back. But then, given that 50% Android phones pay a tribute to MS, the Chinese government might get into trouble for being a pirate nation, unless of course they pay tribute to MS>

Re:Nice thing about open source (1)

technomom (444378) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080063)

If ever there was a country where they could do this and run solely off of Google-like substitutes for everything from search to social to calendaring to instant messaging, it's China. The China intranet is amazing in that they've completely replicated Google and they have a population that can sustain it all in one nation. Check out the Ted Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcaHGqTqHk [youtube.com]

Re:Nice thing about open source (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080101)

Is it can be forked. But then we have the question of whether Android, the open source part, is really enough to build a phone or if only basic elements are open source, while key elements are closed or so severely controlled that they might as well be closed.

What question? Tons of devices use just the open source part without Google's proprietary stuff. All you have to add are hardware drivers if you're using non-standard hardware, everything else you need comes open source. Only stuff like Google Play and Google Maps are close course.

Re:Nice thing about open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080379)

HAHA, you're so funny.
Do you really think they give a damn about the legality of it? Just take a good look at how their industry is built, they're not paying any licenses, they don't care about any of the laws outside China. Worse than that, they don't care about China's own laws either. The corruption goes so high, even companies like Caterpillar get screwed by them, and nobody even blinks, it's all day-to-day business.

They don't want a fork, because Google's Android would go at it's pace and the fork itself would be behind, thus prompting the users to stick with Google.

Democracy is coming to China. Through the great WWW, and they need to control it, but it's too little too late. The next 5-10 years will be damn interesting (from outside China anyway).

Re:Nice thing about open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081351)

Democracy is coming to China.

And it's leaving the West. Makes you wonder whether there is only a finite supply of it, and it just migrates around.

Re:Nice thing about open source (1)

mejogid (1575619) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081209)

Patent infringement is not the same as pirating/copyright infringement. Furthermore, the criteria for patent recognition - and indeed whether they recognise patents at all - is entirely up to the state in which said technology is being used: many countries have independent patent offices with their own criteria, which typically require individual filing to be recognised. China is quite at liberty not to recognise MS software patents and thus not pay any royalties; indeed, there are many who think that software patents are unnecessary so long as copyright/reverse engineering is prohibited and would welcome such a stance.

Re:Nice thing about open source (1)

bdwebb (985489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084289)

But then, given that 50% Android phones pay a tribute to MS, the Chinese government might get into trouble for being a pirate nation, unless of course they pay tribute to MS>

HAhahahahahahahahaha. The Chinese government might get in trouble for being a pirate nation? All they have to do is claim that they aren't involved in the government funded cloning of the technology as they currently do. In China, claims are enough...it's not like they will allow MS to come and inspect their development or their funding process. They will simply tell MS "Oh, we agree...there are just so many cloners out there that we don't know what to do!" MS will retort "You need to help us shut down these illegal cloning facilities and businesses immediately" to which China replies "Of COUUUURRRSE. We'll get RIGHT ON THAT."

The Chinese government doesn't really get in trouble anymore...they are quite efficient at deferring the risk and penalties to private entities and there is no way to enforce any oversight so MS can pretty much eat a middle finger.

Re:Nice thing about open source (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084905)

Is it can be forked. But then we have the question of whether Android, the open source part, is really enough to build a phone or if only basic elements are open source, while key elements are closed or so severely controlled that they might as well be closed.

Is it even a question any more? I thought Cyanogen had answered that particular one years ago. The only thing the opensource Android codebase lacks is device-specific drivers, and that's going to be a perennial problem with Open Source until hardware manufacturers open up their devices. It's still an issue even with Linux - which is why most Linux machines that care about graphic performance install a close-source binary blob driver from the manufacturer.

Uh, what? (5, Informative)

Daetrin (576516) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079951)

There are already a number of Android forks in China, including one by the Chinese search giant Baidu, who has also replaced Google as the default search engine in most of the Android phones there.

cf. "Android is failing by succeeding in China" [extremetech.com]

The Google "control" of Android doesn't seem to be doing much to deter Chinese companies.

Re:Uh, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080045)

Mod up. Exactly right. Cannot believe this is a story.

Also, Amazon (1)

Daetrin (576516) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080359)

And since it doesn't seem like it's been mentioned yet, Google can't even stop Amazon, another American company that has to follow all the US rules on copyright and patents, from making their own incredibly successful fork of Android and cutting Google out of the revenue stream entirely. Why does China, who generally takes a "look the other way" attitude even when actual copyright and patent issues are involved, feel like they need to be concerned in this case?

Open Handset Alliance (5, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079959)

Not entirely true. Google initially created Android and released it as open source. But Android today is governed by the Open Handset Alliance. Several companies (including hardware ones) have a say in Android development, not just Google.

http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/android_overview.html [openhandsetalliance.com]

Need a user-oriented Debian fork (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080701)

The trouble with the Google/OHA codebase is that it evolves to suit Google and OHA requirements, which are not well aligned with user requirements. For example, there is little to no privacy protection in Android, it's a marketer's delight.

A user-oriented organization like Debian would be a far better guardian of user needs and freedoms than the OHA companies. It's tempting to get a fork along those lines started.

Re:Need a user-oriented Debian fork (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082879)

Google paid for the development of Android and then released it as open source. They try to make that money back through licenses and mobile search ads.

If you don't like it, then you're free to install a forked ROM that caters to your privacy needs, because Google released it as open source and even encourages Android fork development. And they'll be happy to sell you hardware without a locked bootloader, making it even easier to do this.

Google wants to make money, but they're giving you the tools and freedom to do what you want.

Re:Open Handset Alliance (1)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081139)

Haha, the same alliance with secret agreements that banned Acer from making Aliyun phones?

http://www.zdnet.com/cn/report-google-stops-acer-from-launching-aliyun-phone-in-china-7000004246/ [zdnet.com]

http://marketingland.com/google-acer-android-aliyun-21631 [marketingland.com]

How "Open" is the Open Handset Alliance? Not so much. Great branding and PR by Google though.

Re:Open Handset Alliance (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081353)

OHA did the right thing. Essentially, Acer/Aliyun was banned because THEY were anti-openness. Acer/Aliyun wanted to go with a proprietary format where their system could run both Aliyun and Android apps, but Android systems could not run Aliyun apps. It intended to break the ecosystem, not maliciously, but it was still threatened to fragment the community and make global application access less open.

Re:Open Handset Alliance (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084935)

Haha, the same alliance with secret agreements

Ooh! Secret agreements! I love me a good conspiracy.

that banned Acer from making Aliyun phones?

Yeah, they threatened to kick out people who worked directly against the purpose of the alliance. How unreasonable of them. Next you'll suggest that democrats who suggest adopting Randian economic practices are getting unjustly booted from the party.

No problem with Apple then? (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about a year and a half ago | (#43079989)

Just curious...

Re:No problem with Apple then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43083585)

There is no problem with Apple... of course, this is because they aren't in China's sights (in this article).

So, QED: Apple == UDFy-38135539 for this story.

Along with politically motivated junkies, I grow tired of fanbois who try to inject X into non-X material /me shrugs.

Barely Legal Teen here (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43079999)

Do you want to lick my envelope?

Do you want to screw my envelope?

Do you want to eat my envelope?

Do you want to roast my envelope?

If you are an Apple, you can't. I am a barely legal teen after all and you can't have me nor even know I exist.

Re:Barely Legal Teen here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080143)

While slightly trollish he does make a good point(posting ac due to mod points on other parts of the article.

Meta: pretentiousness in the title (2)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080097)

If you want to look smart and use a rarely encountered word such as "askance", you should at least remember not to capitalize a preposition.

I like fine vocabulary just like any other intellectual, but pretense bothers me - a lot.

Re:Meta: pretentiousness in the title (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082185)

yes could we not have a Bayesian filter so that these articles written in tabloid-ease "looks askance, frowns upon etc" don't get onto the front page - if your a professional you are supposed to trade up to a "proper" broadsheet paper tacky titles devalue the site.

Corporations are much harder than dissidents. (1, Insightful)

concealment (2447304) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080109)

A bullet to the base of the skull won't do it.

Most likely, China just wants control of the OS used on phones within its Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Bull$hit! I don't buy it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080115)

How come China is now complaining about Android dominance and they are using window$ without any complaints even if it's dominating on another platform?

This doesn't make any sens. Looks like somebody is trying to get attention at themselves here and it's probably heavily influence by a Google competitor that is irrelevant in mobile OS today. Yeah you know who you are M$.

Re:Bull$hit! I don't buy it! (2)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080249)

How come China is now complaining about Android dominance and they are using window$ without any complaints

Because China knows they have Microsoft by the ball$. All they have to do is threaten to move a small part of their operations over to Linux and maybe close Microsoft's Beijing R&D office and Microsoft will give them the keys to the kingdom.

I'm guessing that what China really wants is the ability to put back doors and kill switches into communications platforms used there. Microsoft (and other businesses, like RIM) will do that For A Few Dollars More.

Re:Bull$hit! I don't buy it! (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080825)

Bill gates and his companies work closely with China and give up all of their technology to them.

I had to loook it up... (4, Interesting)

ArcadeNut (85398) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080191)

Definition of ASKANCE

1: with a side-glance : obliquely

2: with disapproval or distrust : scornfully

Guess that's the word of the day...

A valid concern from their end. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080195)

It is in China's best interest to be developing and running their own operating systems. It's not just a matter of national security, though that does play a role. It also means they have intelligent and experienced people of their own to contribute to the global market as true peers.

Piracy works, but it always leaves you a step behind. It does nothing to earn respect, either.

old slant wisdom (1)

noshellswill (598066) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080215)

Pay attention all you snot-nosed globalist byteboyz. This ancient slant wisdom should be taken to the American heart . Namely:  no dependence on any chi.com function  -- especially manufacturing -- is acceptable to a robust N. American republic. Use-it-here/make-it-here/invest-it-here. Let chi.coms feckin-A drown in their own rice-paddies & sweatshops and pure-play investor American biz-nazis get flogged and skinned alive.

New Criticism of Google: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080609)

Not evil enough!

Chinks love Microsoft, hate Google (2, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080687)

Explanation. Microsoft are disloyal, money grubbing sellout who would give those Communists a long, leisurely blowjob if they thought they could make a few bucks out of it. No doubt Microsoft are happy to do anything to keep the Chinese happy.

Google have higher standards, and to their credit, have told the commies to fuck off in the past.

This is why the dictators are all whiny and butthurt now. Because Google won't let them have their own way and oppress China and the world.

Re:Chinks love Microsoft, hate Google (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080799)

First off, they are NOT chinks. You are disgusting.

Secondly, you ARE right that they love Bill Gates. But that is because he has shared their source code with them, and is now willing to move a bunch of Western technology to CHina in exchange for his getting money. Pretty Sad. I am just thankful that Gates was not involved in our defense industry.

Re:Chinks love Microsoft, hate Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081039)

Bill Gate's buggy OS is the main reason the Chinese have been able to vacuum up and out defense and commercial information from everywhere.

When our government prohibits the use of Windows on any secure network and for every secure application, we will know they are serious about security.

Re:Chinks love Microsoft, hate Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081629)

Chinc or Chink = CHINese-C/Kommunist
A Korean war term to differientiate between North Korean and their allied Chinese Communist trops, as opposed to Chinese Nationalists in exile on Taiwan since 1949.
It was never clear how Chinc became considered a racist slur when it only applies to Communists who are also Chinese, it would be incorrect and an insult to a citizen of the ROC/Taiwan or a member of the large Chinese diaspora unless of course they were somehow members of the Chinese Communist Party. The contraction the poster above used would be correct as mainland China is still officialy Communist.
While it is perhaps an insulting term it is aimed at a national and political affiliation, the Chinese Communist Party and people and things in the PRC not a race of people. We are under no obligation to like the Peoples Republic of China any more than we must love and respect the United States and the people and organizations resident there.

They are right (2)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080715)

That is also why America needs to stop our reliance on China as well. It is high time for us to stop their dumping, subsidies, and money fixing, or using any of their parts/equipment in our gear.

Re:They are right (1)

Hillgiant (916436) | about a year and a half ago | (#43083451)

Good luck with that. Do you have any idea how hard it is to buy something as simple as a bolt that isn't made in China?

Re:They are right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43084295)

That is also why America needs to stop our reliance on China as well. It is high time for us to stop their dumping, subsidies, and money fixing, or using any of their parts/equipment in our gear.

says the hypocrite bitching from a computer with 50% Chinese parts.

Re:They are right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43084903)

Shows what you know I'm using an original US made Commodore 64 to surf this site, because I can :P

China just isn't a team player (1)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081469)

Remember the expression: "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" ? Well it's exactly what China continues to do. China offers hardware and we buy it and continue to do so. On the other hand, we make intellectual products and they copy them so they don't have to buy them from us. I wish we could automate more of our manufacturing so we can reduce on dependance on China and make them realise that it's a two way affair, not one way.

sh1jt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43082591)

fact thereP won't brilliant plan WOULD TAKE ABOUT 2

So.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43084787)

..they should just steal it and make their own crappy version like they always do. They don't have anything that they haven't stolen the original idea from the US to start with! I mean we did pioneer [wikipedia.org] just about everything [wikipedia.org] technology related [wikipedia.org] that [wikipedia.org] most [wikipedia.org] of these devices are [wikipedia.org] based off of [wikipedia.org] including the Android OS.

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