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Don't Want a Phonebook? Give Up Your Privacy

timothy posted about a year ago | from the that-sure-sounds-fair dept.

Privacy 357

newscloud writes "Seattle will soon shut down its popular phonebook opt-out website as a result of a costly settlement with Yellow Pages publishers. Going forward, the only way to stop unwanted phonebook deliveries will be to visit the industry's opt out site and provide them with your personal information. They will share it with their clients, most of whom are direct marketing agencies, who in turn commit not to use it improperly. The Federal Court of Appeals ruled in October that The Yellow Pages represent protected free speech of corporations (including Canada's Yellow Media Inc.); defending and settling the lawsuit cost Seattle taxpayers $781,503. The city said the program's popularity led to a reduction of 2 million pounds of paper waste annually."

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357 comments

File a police complaint for littering (5, Interesting)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#43080243)

They stop pretty quickly after you do it.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080335)

Throw them in the street. Once they starting blocking the drains, etc. the city will take notice.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (3, Insightful)

taustin (171655) | about a year ago | (#43080717)

The city did take notice. And lose the resulting lawsuit.

It's one thing to not read TFA, but dude, you didn't even read the summary.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080737)

Didn't the city already take note; file a lawsuit; lose said suit...?

Totally frustrating situation here...and thanks for the suggestion.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (3, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year ago | (#43080857)

Not-for Profit Organization idea

Yellow Page Removal and Protest
Don't want the yellow pages? Don't want to be put on a mass marketing mailing list because they want to make a profit from you regardless of not providing a service to you (by the way, that's called extortion)?

We'll take the phone books off you hands. We request a donation of $0.50 to $1.00, but heck, we'll do it for free...
We'll use the to inform the phone book companies what we think of their practices...

Re:File a police complaint for littering (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080371)

I was wondering the same thing. If it isn't littering, then I should be able to throw trash in anyones yard and call it speech.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080471)

This has already been tested in court against KKK pamphlets... The government has no power to restrict the distribution of racist pamphlets, or for that matter, phone books, just because you don't like them.

Trash.. I think the courts can probably figure out a distinction between waste and actual speech.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (5, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#43080845)

The problem is that this was a case of the city offering an opt out for the phonebooks. It's not a legitimate 1st amendment issue, there is no right to an audience anywhere in the 1st amendment. Now, had the city made it opt in, that likely would have been different, but the courts seriously fucked up the ruling by suggesting that the people don't have a right to say no to the deliveries through the city's system.

The city wasn't making demands on what the books could contain or preventing them from reaching people that wanted copies, the city was just running an opt out list. The reality is that most people don't use the phonebooks anyways and most of them wind up being used as booster seats or tossed in the recycle bin immediately. I can't recall the last time I looked up a number in the phonebook due to the books not being any more up to date as online listings and less convenient to search.

The courts though decided to find in favor of corporate interests again without any plausible justification for doing so.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080461)

Straight into the recycle bin if you don't want it. When the landfill operators note that they have truckload after truckload of them, someone will make the phone company change the way they do things.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (4, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year ago | (#43080691)

Generally recycle bins don't go to landfills...

But generally the yellow pages seem to conveniently come on trash day. I just toss them into my recycle bin, and be done with it. They are becoming irrelevant, and eventually people will stop advertising with them.

Right now they are trying to use what amounts to extortion tactics.

Formerly: OK, we aren't going to use your product, so don't waste your money on giving it to use.
Now: OK, you're going to get our product no matter what, unless you want to be annoyed to death.

Tossing it in the recycle/trash bin is less annoying and costs them more money, so I promote that option, since they want to be bastards about it.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (4, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year ago | (#43080627)

I was thinking it would be a good idea to just return it to them. If they have a local office, it would be great if 5000 (or maybe more) people all showed up the day after they were delivered to return them. I think it would really send the message home. That or create some big monument where you collect them all and build a giant statue to show just how much waste is being generated.

Re:File a police complaint for littering (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43080973)

Members of the boards of directors for the Association of Directory Publishers [adp.org] or the Local Search Association [localsearc...iation.org] clearly love phone books. It's worth looking to see if any are local to you, so you can help them out...

Re:File a police complaint for littering (2)

racermd (314140) | about a year ago | (#43080779)

You really need to take it a step further. Post a sign on your property (by the front door, most likely) saying, in essence, that leaving any un-requested non-governmental (like tax notices, town hall meetings, and other municipal notices) material is assumed to be trash and will be billed $500 (or some other absurd amount just under the small-claims cap) per item. Then make sure you have a camera recording that space with the sign in frame. When the people come to drop off the phone books, send the company a bill for "disposal services." When they refuse to pay, explain that you have video evidence and will continue to pursue the matter now and for each future instance.

This will either make the company spend time and resources dealing with your case in small claims court or they'll skip it entirely giving you a default judgement. Bonus points if you live in a jurisdiction where formal representation is prohibited for both parties (they can't send a high-priced lawyer nor are you allowed to hire one of your own) so a company executive has to make the trip to court.

The point is to make yourself so much of a pain in the ass to them that they stop delivery to you altogether all while making a little money from turning a pain in the ass to you into a pain in the ass to them. If enough people do this, they'll eventually do something about it. Not sure WHAT that might be, but my hope is a full-on opt-in system or, at least, an opt-out without all the personally-identifiable information.

Note that I'm not a lawyer nor have I had to resort to this sort of action.

Hire a truck.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080275)

... collect all the unwanted phone books, and dump them all on the front porch of Yellow Pages publishers executives.

I generally support free speech, but only if it includes the right to plug your ears and precludes the right to force people to listen.

Re:Hire a truck.. (5, Funny)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#43080525)

Make giant paper mache/spit wads and launch them at the corporate building with a trebuchet. Figure out where the executive suite is and call that the bullseye.

Re:Hire a truck.. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43080721)

Why inconvenience the poor bastards on the cleaning crew for whatever office space they rent?

Surely home delivery of unwanted phone books, being protected speech and all, should be acceptable for the corporate officers responsible?

Re:Hire a truck.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080705)

If giving out the phone books is protected free speech, then so is returning them, so I kind of hope someone takes your idea seriously and actually does that to make the point.

Re:Hire a truck.. (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year ago | (#43080729)

your idea is better than mine. Though I'd drench them first, so that they can't try to reuse them.

in what you say? That's up to the individual, but I live not far from a rather foul smelling river that wouldn't be traceable back to me...

Fox News For Nerds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080287)

Stuff that appeals to loonies.

corporations are not people (2, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#43080299)

Re:corporations are not people (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43080615)

Aside from the fact that this is off topic, why not just vote for the politician based on the politician him/herself?

Lobbyists can't vote. Corporations can't vote. You can.

Besides, if that movetoamend organization got their way, wouldn't they be forbidden from doing exactly what they are trying to do now? Even if they provide special protections for themselves or for labor unions, then you can bet your ass that lobbyists will reorganize themselves in the same way, making the entire effort wasted. I also like that they want to forbid anonymous donations. Say for example you lived in a conservative state and you donated money to support gay marriage, but you didn't want anybody else to know. Is that cowardly? Maybe. But you should be free to stand up for your principles in whatever way you choose.

All too often I hear from people who vote without even knowing anything about what exactly it is that they are voting for. They don't know who their congressman is, they don't know who their governor is, they don't know who their senators are. Yet they voted for them anyways. Before they even got the ballot, they didn't even know their name, they just voted for the letter next to it. I've also heard "I'm voting for X because my friends are" and chances are you've heard the same thing.

The problem isn't the money. The problem is the voters.

Re:corporations are not people (1)

Stormin (86907) | about a year ago | (#43080697)

I've also heard "I'm voting for X because my friends are" and chances are you've heard the same thing.

The problem isn't the money. The problem is the voters.

I've actually heard the opposite: A friend of mine who didn't know much about politics and had recently become a naturalized US Citizen basically said that he was voting for $X in the presidential race because a mutual friend of our was voting for $Y and he realized that their politics were so different that for him, $X must be the right vote.

Re:corporations are not people (1)

Entropius (188861) | about a year ago | (#43080761)

I initially read "voting for $X" as "being given X dollars to vote" rather than as a Perl variable...

Re:corporations are not people (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about a year ago | (#43080987)

So did I and, sadly, it made sense.

"I'm contributing $Y to the political party I support."

"Oh yeah? Well, I support the opposite political party so I'm going to contribute $X where X > Y!"

Re:corporations are not people (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43080775)

Right, and that's what annoys me about this whole thing. People vote for their candidates based on the most absurd reasons.

I think the problem is all of the "get out the vote" campaigns. People voting on issues they don't understand is more damaging than not voting at all.

Re:corporations are not people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080733)

I've also heard "I'm voting for X because my friends are" and chances are you've heard the same thing.

I know it's cool to beat up on the ignorant average voter, but I've never heard anything remotely like this, and I live in an overwhelmingly red state.

Re:corporations are not people (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43080939)

I'm not trying to beat up on the voter. What I'm trying to do is to encourage people to think before they vote, or just not vote at all. As I said earlier, voting on an issue you don't understand is more damaging than not voting at all. I know, this is an unpopular thing to say (especially the way Sean Penn and the rest of Hollywood publicly lambasted Stone and Parker when they said this) because everybody is constantly going around espousing the virtues of voting - even if that means voting on something that you never took the time to educate yourself about.

Last election cycle, I had some representative of a congressional candidate call me and ask me to vote for their guy, and in explaining why, he basically spoke up about a couple of problems that I personally wanted to see solved, saying the candidate would solve it.

So I asked what his guy would do to solve these problem...and...he didn't really know. Imagine that, somebody working on his campaign doesn't actually know what he intends to do to solve said problems. I hope the guy will one day ask the same question himself.

As a european citizen (1)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#43080301)

I find your lack of privacy disturbing.

Re:As a european citizen (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080695)

London

Other uses for phone books (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080309)

Lets get the ball rolling:

1) foot rest
2) paper recycling
3) Camp fire starter ....

Re:Other uses for phone books (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about a year ago | (#43080373)

Weapon for clubbing the phone book publishers to death.

Re:Other uses for phone books (1)

zAPPzAPP (1207370) | about a year ago | (#43080441)

- drawing an above average length pageflip-cartoon
- weight for flattening out crumpled pieces of paper

Re:Other uses for phone books (3, Interesting)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about a year ago | (#43080489)

Backstops for BB gun and air rifle targets. Why should I pay money for those when I get several free ones each year and they stop as many or more shots as the rubber or plastic ones that cost money, especially the large entire metro area ones that come about once a year.

Re:Other uses for phone books (1, Interesting)

Krojack (575051) | about a year ago | (#43080617)

According the paper for my local recycling pick-up, they won't take phone books. Go figure.

Re:Other uses for phone books (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43080793)

The fibers in paper break down a bit with each recycling cycle(and the color generally drifts a bit, unless you bleach it good and hard, which costs money and isn't great for the fibers or the fishies) since phone books are already printed on total shit-grade paper, and contain a lot of ink, they probably reduce the value of the recycled pulp for any but the most undemanding applications.

If the ink doesn't have any problematic metals(not always a safe assumption historically, probably better now) pallets of dry phone books are probably worth something as fuel; but that's about it.

Re:Other uses for phone books (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | about a year ago | (#43080961)

I'm forced to pay for recycling in my area, so they get whatever I decide to put in the thing. Typically that's trash that is too large to fit in my trash can.

Re:Other uses for phone books (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080641)

Tether between a tank and an armored personnel carrier [mythbustersresults.com] ... well, close enough!

Re:Other uses for phone books (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about a year ago | (#43080649)

We used to use the stacks of phone books that would appear periodically at my last dayjob as monitor stands. one or two of them propped the monitor up to eye level. The phone book "fairy" would bring close to a pallet-full of phone books and they'd sit there for months, but for the few "monitor-propping" ones taken, then magically disappear when it became clear they were excess (or the appropriate manager got tired of seeing them sitting there..). At home, we still get them every so often, and they go straight into the trash.. Nobody in my household has used one in years..

Just lie (5, Interesting)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about a year ago | (#43080317)

So just visit their website and lie about everything. Make the information offensive, even, or obviously false (all except the address, I guess, which they have to have). 99% of the mail I get is junk mail anyway, so much so that I rarely look at it and just use automatically it for fire starter, animal bedding, etc.

Never give up privacy, even under duress. When this kind of thing happens, meet them on a level playing field and corrupt their database with junk info.

Re:Just lie (2)

conspirator23 (207097) | about a year ago | (#43080583)

So just visit their website and lie about everything. Make the information offensive, even, or obviously false (all except the address, I guess, which they have to have).

Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie [wikipedia.org] agree [youtube.com] .

Re:Just lie (1)

goffster (1104287) | about a year ago | (#43080791)

But then you probably violate the terms of service of the website, which, in turn,
makes you a criminal under the computer fraud and abuse act.

Re:Just lie (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year ago | (#43080819)

If you don't have to have the information correct other than the address, I think it would be possible to build an automated system that would unsubscribe the entire city. Make sure to use a bunch of different IPs, or do it all from your local library or starbucks so they can't differentiate people who really wanted to opt out and those who wanted to opt out but didn't have connection at home, and therefore used a freely available one.

Re:Just lie (1)

istartedi (132515) | about a year ago | (#43080875)

This is why I actually received some junkmail in the late 90s. I used my actual address but my name was "Ihate Webforms". It was a bit too obvious I guess. They purged it fairly quickly.

There's always the more subtle approach of misspelling your own name, especially when the company claims "we don't sell your information". Then a month later... there it is. The wrong name.

BTW, I've been on the other end of this as a temp worker. Post-cards filled out by teenagers as pranks actually brightened our day. Sadly, I suspect there are fewer humans in the loop now, and some fairly sophisticated algorithms. I haven't seen too many data entry jobs listed lately. OCR must work well enough now. They can probably kill the misspelling trick by cross-referencing a number of databases.

Re:Just lie (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about a year ago | (#43080899)

Makes me wonder, if you pollute their database with intentionally derogatory information, can you sue for defamation? "I keep getting junk mail addressed to Dr. Douchey McTerrorist D.F.A" Or something similar.

Seattle now hates Yellow Pages (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080329)

and it cost the yellow pages all future business in Seattle.

Re:Seattle now hates Yellow Pages (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#43080929)

We hated them already, why do you think the opt out was taken up by the city council? I'll give you a hint it's not just because they're green.

So they can just throw trash on my property? (0)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year ago | (#43080363)

I think I'm going to go over to my asshole next door neighbor's house and dump a bunch of crap on his lawn. It's my free speech right!

Re:So they can just throw trash on my property? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43080861)

Just be sure to scrawl offensive messages on your trash before dumping it, to ensure that it is clearly identifiable as political speech.

recycle bin (2)

kevinT (14723) | about a year ago | (#43080365)

I just use them to weight down my recycle bin so it doesn't blow away. I will not give out my address to them.

Community erffort (2, Informative)

Dracos (107777) | about a year ago | (#43080381)

Collect all the unwanted phonebooks and deliver them to the phone company regional office, preferably piled up in front of the door.

Re:Community erffort (4, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#43080685)

They get them to. By the pallet. We don't want them any more than the public does. They used to drop them off at everyones desks until it became such a common complaint that the facilities guys receive the pallet, never even unwrap it and push it strait into the dumpster. Phonebooks are created and distributed by a select few companies who lobby local officials to keep decades old laws in place that require phone companies continue to supply them with data and allow the delivery of their "product"

Remember: Phonebooks don't come from the phone company. They are separate entities. Some are owned by phone companies in part or whole, but rarely is the phone-book you received produced by your actual phone company.

Re:Community erffort (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080735)

Yes, but they have to go to the publisher of the phone book, which these days is likely NOT the phone company.

Only really useful for disasters or power outages (2)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year ago | (#43080395)

Between my cellphone + computer, if I want to find someone or a business I just run a search.

But, recently there have been issues where we lost power + internet/data, yet will had access to a phone. In which case, I guess it's useful then. Or as fireplace fuel if there is a true emergency.

Sure, there are people that NEED them. The elderly person who never learned to use a computer, the poor that don't have internet, the random dude that just doesn't like the internet in general, et.

But forcing everyone to get it is kind of lame. Then again, it's no big deal to trash it or recycle it.

Take .... many phone books to the court house. (4, Interesting)

Bomarc (306716) | about a year ago | (#43080399)

As the Federal Court of Appeals says... leaving phone books is protected free speech. Well, exercise the right! Take every phone book you can find, and leave it at the (Federal Court of Appeals) court house - and let THEM deal with the problem.

Re:Take .... many phone books to the court house. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080469)

Or mail them to your elected representative. Ive been mailing my MP my junkmail for free for years now..

Re:Take .... many phone books to the court house. (4, Interesting)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about a year ago | (#43080549)

Wrong. That would just mean the taxpayers have to pay for removing them. Leave them on the front yards of the judges involved.

Re:Take .... many phone books to the court house. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080635)

I'd just drop them all off at the phone companies local office. If just a few hundred people did it, it'd be a pain & send a message.

Re:Take .... many phone books to the court house. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080963)

You can simply take unwanted books to the appeals court office which thinks it's okay to deliver these unsightly books.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/information/locations.php

Re:Take .... many phone books to the court house. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080575)

Haven't you been paying attention lately? It's free speech for corporate entities with legal departments, not for you. You'll get arrested and be declaring bankruptcy before your trial even starts. Not to mention kicked around a bit on your way to the holding cell.

Profitability? (5, Informative)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43080411)

If nobody reads the damn thing, how can it be profitable? And if it isn't profitable, why are they distributing it?

Unless people actually *are* reading it. If so, then how is this a waste?

And we're not going to run out of trees any faster than we'll run out of potatoes. Trees used for paper are grown in farms [blogspot.com] , and are selectively bred for that purpose (the resulting product is of higher quality and cheaper than from wild trees.) Paper production isn't the reason for decreasing numbers of trees, and recycling paper is a huge waste of time and resources.

The only reason there are fewer trees in the world (and not in the US btw, the number of trees we have in the US has been steadily growing for decades now) is because jungle territory is being cut down to make way for real-estate.

That said, I'm not sure why the politicians would make an issue of trying to reduce the number of phone books. Just treat it like any other junk mail: send it right to the trash. And you only have to do it once a year.

Re:Profitability? (1)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about a year ago | (#43080535)

You only get one phone book a year? I usually only get 1 large one a year but then I end up getting 3-4 smaller ones from various companies.

Re:Profitability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080869)

You only get one phone book a year? I usually only get 1 large one a year...

You only get one large phone book per year? we usually get 3-4 LARGE ones, and as many small ones.

Re:Profitability? (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43080629)

Because the readers are not the ones paying for it.
The businesses that advertise are. Often small businesses will advertise hoping for some result and since the cost is so low many such businesses will advertise.

So then my taxes have to pay to dispose of their waste? Can I mail my trash to you to dispose of?

Re:Profitability? (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43080967)

Right, and eventually those businesses will realize that they gain nothing out of advertising in it.

Re:Profitability? (1)

sribe (304414) | about a year ago | (#43080675)

If nobody reads the damn thing, how can it be profitable? And if it isn't profitable, why are they distributing it?

They're paid by the businesses to be listed. Zero people can read it, and it will still be highly profitable as long as their sales people can convince businesses otherwise.

Re:Profitability? (1)

Krojack (575051) | about a year ago | (#43080759)

Doesn't matter if you read it or not, they got their money for the ads in the books. It's just like SPAM. Company X pays little Johnny to send out 50 million spam messages. 99.8% of those spam messages were ignored, the other 0.2% were read and drew in some customers. Company X makes profit.

Re:Profitability? (1)

Bomarc (306716) | about a year ago | (#43080843)

I'm not sure why the politicians would make an issue of trying to reduce the number of phone books. Just treat it like any other junk mail: send it right to the trash. And you only have to do it once a year.

From TFA:

"The city said the program's popularity led to a reduction of 2 million pounds of paper waste annually."

and as follow up: How much environmental damage was done to MAKE the phone books? We are talking about people that didn't want the phone books in the first place.

It won't work, either (5, Informative)

blp (4207) | about a year ago | (#43080413)

We attempted to opt-out of Yellow Pages deliveries in our local area in California, but it doesn't work. The guys who throw these things on everyone's front porch do not care whether you are on the list or not. I'm not even sure that they have a list. You will still get phone books.

At what point does free speech become littering? (4, Interesting)

jfengel (409917) | about a year ago | (#43080415)

There have always been limitations on "free speech" when it comes to pollution. Even an individual isn't allowed to rant about the lizard men with a megaphone at 3 AM.

The phone books are put on private property without permission. Is there some law that gives them permission? They're welcome, I suppose, to stand on the sidewalk and read the phone book at me, if they want, or even to stand there with the book open. I suppose they could pay the Post Office to mail it to me, since they have a special legal exemption.

If they've got some kind of blanket exemption, then of course an opt-out is going to violate privacy. And if this is the case, it sounds like they need to eliminate the blanket exemption, and I don't see "free speech" being a defense against that, since your right to speech ends where my property begins.

Re:At what point does free speech become littering (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#43080755)

Even an individual isn't allowed to rant about the lizard men with a megaphone at 3 AM.

As a former resident of the Lakeview Apartment complex and participant in frequent phone calls to local officials in regards to afore mention megaphone, I can assure you that a sufficiently coherent individual with paranoid schizophrenia can, in fact, rant about whatever she chooses at 3am with, in this case, a P.A. system in her livingroom without being arrested.

If you don't want phone books in your yard... (2)

Picass0 (147474) | about a year ago | (#43080881)

...you must help me defeat the Lizard Men once and for all.

And I was out there no later than 2:45.

Disposal fee (4, Insightful)

Todd Knarr (15451) | about a year ago | (#43080429)

So, what happens if as a private citizen I post a notice on my property saying that any unsolicited material deposited on my property will incur a disposal fee of $100 per item, and then bill the YP company for my disposing of the trash they left without permission?

Reminder: freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to use someone else's property without permission. You want to speak, use public property or hire your own hall.

Re:Disposal fee (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43080699)

They won't respond to your bill. You might however be able to take them to court over it.

I would say they are trespassing to deliver it. If they want to have the postman deliver them fine, but I am not giving them permission to step foot on my property.

Market really will solve this. (4, Insightful)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#43080439)

How long can they sell advertisement in books nobody looks at?

Just ignore them. They save me from grabbing the free local rag to start my BBQ. Weather I burn Yellow pages or Yellow journalism it's the same amount of paper. This way the 'News and Review' doesn't get a wrong impression and think anybody is actually reading them.

Right now, business's are buying yellow pages adds because they always have. Give it a little while.

Re:Market really will solve this. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#43080475)

TinFoil The local free rag in Seattle is want's this law. So they can sell adds based on BBQ starting circulation. /TinFoil

Re:Market really will solve this. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080585)

It is whether, and ads. And I would wager that you are starting a grill, not a BBQ. And ffs it is businesses.

All direct marketing is spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080453)

And should be illegal. The judges that found for the yellow page companies are on the take or just clueless, either way they should be impeached, tarred and feathered, and run out of town on a rail.

Re:All direct marketing is spam (1)

tehlinux (896034) | about a year ago | (#43080607)

That sounds extreme.

Taking the wrong approach (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080463)

Demand more phone books. Make them pay for extra printing.

It's trash, not free speech. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080491)

If they won't stop delivery then go after them for littering. It's not free speech. To me, the phone books, weekly papers, and flyers that everyone thinks that I simply must have are no more than unwanted litter that is tossed anywhere on a property by brain-dead delivery people that I have to go collect up each week and trash.

Depends (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080523)

Who is paying for the Yellow Pages? Is it tax payer funds or by Yellow Pages? If Yellow Pages is footing the bill, don't worry about opting out and either recycle them or ship them to:
2247 Northlake Parkway
Tucker, GA 30084

Apparently the address is what is used to register their domain. I'm pretty sure they'll get peeved rather quickly when deliveries start piling in.

You still can't get a white pages listing? (1)

jabberw0k (62554) | about a year ago | (#43080529)

So who do I pay to get a white pages residential listing, now that I have a mobile phone? Indeed, why does the white pages not list mobile phones? Having an unlisted number is rude to all your friends who might wish to actually find you.

Extortion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080551)

It's bad enough that you have to pay a fee to these people to keep them from printing your details in a book that they deliver to every household in your vicinity, but now you cannot even tell them to skip delivery to your house without giving up valuable personal information to them that they will undoubtedly capitalize on. They're making money on you hand-over-fist, and you have no choice in the matter -- it's a great gig for "private industry," more so since the practice is now ruled constitutionally protected.

If you need any more proof that we're circling the drain, then you simply haven't been paying attention.

Much Ado About Nothing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080565)

I went to their website and registered. They ask for your address, name and phone number, which is all information they already have if they are making the phonebook. The only thing they ask for that they don't have is an email address. You should have one that you send junk email to anyway if you do any online buying, so I don't see what the big deal is. Nice to be able to get rid of the damn phonebooks!

Explain (2)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year ago | (#43080577)

How does opting out of a phone book violate the free speech of a company's ad. Your not stopping them from printing it, your not blocking them from speaking about it and your not taking action which damages the services they provide in any way. I'm really confused how this is a free speech issue. Personally I haven't used a phone book in years, I just Google everything, so I can understand why people would opt of the phone book.

One step closer to the future of Continuum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080619)

Legal and ethical opinion:
The first ten amendments are not rights granted by the government they are rights we spell out as humans that we have regardless of government. These rights do not and should not transfer to a corporation. Rights granted by other amendments may be arguable but dilution of the first ten that constitutes the Bill of Rights should be opposed with great fervor! If corporations are to be granted such rights then those rights need to be either new amendments or new corporate governance laws written the same way.

Personal opinion:
This country has enough private secular interest tipping the scales away from the individual constituency in the form of political lobbies with billions to spare. We do not need the government further pandering to these money seekers at the detriment of the people. Congress wallows in its own inability to represent its people and every year it gets more and more obvious that they are not answering to their constituents but the corporations in their districts. We don't need nor want the Supreme Court sticking its nose into that same cesspool.

Burn them (1)

klek (1237566) | about a year ago | (#43080653)

I wonder if we'll be able to make Fire Logs out of all the freaking Yellow Pages books we'll be inundated with.

Are cell phones listed? (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about a year ago | (#43080683)

Are cell phones listed? I haven't used a phone book in years and I only use Skype. I don't have a home phone nor a cell phone anymore its my way of voting with my dollars :)

Is the data really that valuable? (1)

91degrees (207121) | about a year ago | (#43080751)

It amazes me that companies are willing to pay money for a list of names that are clearly hostile towards unwanted mail. Unless it's for a "do not mail" list, but I don't get the impression it is.

Thanks for putting the opt out link in the summary (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43080763)

I hadn't bothered with this before; I just threw the things into the recycle bin as I got them - but now I'm annoyed enough to use their "official" opt-out form.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about having to provide their address to do this, though... how else do you expect this to work?

Re:Thanks for putting the opt out link in the summ (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43080797)

It is not the address people object to giving out, it is the other fields they demand to have. Name, phone number, email and the rest.

They only need address, nothing else.

Re:Thanks for putting the opt out link in the summ (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43080905)

Good point.

BTW for people who might think they can use a fake address - your email address has to be functional, at least at the time you register - you can't complete registration (which means you can't opt out of anything) until you click on the follow-up email.

Re:Thanks for putting the opt out link in the summ (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43080931)

Use mailinator.com
That should save you some hassle.

Corporate Rights Trump Citizens (1)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about a year ago | (#43080789)

This is an interesting case, of a company going directly against the stated (and popular) view of the voters.

Personally I think the law should have stuck, but since it didn't, let's look at what we can do with what we have:

1. Work to change legal recognition of corporate personhood.

2. Establish laws that limit the ability of similar lawsuits to be brought.

3. Use our own free speech to criticize the companies who pull stunts like this. This lawsuit is a stain on their brand.

Take another tact. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080829)

Send them back to the company that sent them to you.
It is one thing to get one another to get thousands.

Outlaw them totally

A solution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080833)

The city should offer a program by which they pick up unwanted yellow pages and deliver them to the office(s) and work locations of the YP, as an ongoing political protest.

Post a sign (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year ago | (#43080851)

'no soliciting or leaving phonebooks'. If they leave a phonebook, then sue the company.
Issue solved.

The information won't be used improperly! (1)

Graydyn Young (2835695) | about a year ago | (#43080925)

They will share it with their clients, most of whom are direct marketing agencies, who in turn commit not to use it improperly.

Well, as long as they pinky-swear.

So deliver them (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43080951)

My dad still has wood powered heating and phone book pages are really great for starting it.

Opt out of junk mail? Are you nuts, that's what I use for fueling my stove.

Paper is a renewable resource. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43080957)

Some dumb hippies still stuck in the 70's think we're deforesting for all this paper. Tree farms have been used for a long time. And the paper process makes the carbon less likely to decay into CO2 earlier, so it's a carbon sink (after a sort; not quite as good as treated lumber). Take your free yellow pages and do something with it.
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