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Gnome Founder Miguel de Icaza Moves To Mac

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the usability-claims-another-victim dept.

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TrueSatan writes "Miguel de Icaza, via his blog, has explained his gradual move to the Apple Mac platform. 'While I missed the comprehensive Linux toolchain and userland, I did not miss having to chase the proper package for my current version of Linux, or beg someone to package something. Binaries just worked.' Here is one of his main reasons: 'To me, the fragmentation of Linux as a platform, the multiple incompatible distros, and the incompatibilities across versions of the same distro were my Three Mile Island/Chernobyl.' Reaction to his announcement includes a blog post from Jonathan Riddell of Blue Systems/Kubuntu. Given de Icaza's past association with Microsoft (CodePlex Foundation) and the Free Software Foundation's founder Richard Stallman's description of de Icaza as a 'traitor to the free software community,' this might be seen as more of a blow to Microsoft than to GNU/Linux."

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Firsties (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086221)

Linux suxs my firsties ballsies!!!

Re:Firsties (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086613)

Maybe I can suck your balls 2?

APK

Good Riddance (5, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086233)

Now he's going to try to clone all of Microsoft's clones of other people's technology for the Mac.

Lets see how far that gets him.

GNUlix is the best (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086249)

This is a real blow to Micro$oft!!!

It's been decades. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086251)

Time to open up OSX and allow it to be installed on any computer.

Re:It's been decades. (3, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086321)

you can run it on your PC; Apple doesn't like it but you can do it

Re:It's been decades. (3, Informative)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086395)

Not legally.

Re:It's been decades. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086599)

[citation needed] Eula != Law

Re:It's been decades. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086911)

It is if its part of the software license.
Not Eula.

Re:It's been decades. (4, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086875)

Who are you trying to scare off with that?

Re:It's been decades. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086933)

You can swap out that crappy outdated, hand built z06 from your vette and put in a volkswagon. But if you really wanted to retire, you should have just bought a surface pro.

Re:It's been decades. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086371)

Who would need that insecure, antienterprise, primitive piece of crap?

Re:It's been decades. (3, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086383)

You trade one slavery for another. The Cult of Macheads will mod me down, but Apple owns you as much as Microsoft does. Icaza trades one set of commercial business ecosystems for another.

Re:It's been decades. (4, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086797)

You trade one slavery for another. The Cult of Macheads will mod me down...

Choice of computing platform is not slavery. Liking things that work is not a cult.

Re:It's been decades. (5, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43087037)

I don't understand this thought at all. I run a mixed environment at home, and it all works pretty well. I have a FreeBSD ZFS server in the basement happily running AFP and acting as a Time Machine target. I also have it running CrashPlan in Linux emulation as a target for my friends, family, and Windows PC. The Windows PC speaks happily to FreeBSD via Samba. Firefox works almost identically on all three platforms, syncing passwords and bookmarks. OpenOffice works on all three as well. CrashPlan client runs just fine on two Macs and the PC. Even Apple proprietary crap like iTunes and Airplay runs across platforms. As long as you try to steer clear of single-platform applications, everything works together pretty well. It would not be a big deal if I suddenly had to ditch Mac or Windows (and believe me, Windows 8 has made me consider the latter).

The truth is, there is no "ecosystem" if you are careful in your application and hardware purchases. That MacBook will happily run Linux or Windows if you get disgusted with MacOS. That Windows PC will happily run just about anything if you get disgusted at MS. Keep your data in an accessible format, and you are golden when you switch platforms.

Besides, as a geek your friends and family depend on you to be an expert at anything with electrons. :)

I did this a long time ago... (5, Insightful)

weilawei (897823) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086257)

And never looked back. Linux maintains its place as my workhorse, while I rest in the comfort of whichever other OS I feel like using that day, typically OS X or iOS. SSH and SFTP fill the gaps.

Can't blame him.... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086271)

I left Linux for the same reasons for the most part.

Re:Can't blame him.... (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086467)

I left Linux for the same reasons for the most part.

Of everything he mentions, the only one I've had problems with is the audio. My Wifi is rock solid, and I've had no performance problems on my thinkpad, and at work I'm using a 5 year old, cast-off desktop that was deemed too slow for Windows, but it runs quite well with Kubuntu including 3D desktop effects.

But audio is a bit of a problem, I've started to kill -9 the pulseaudio daemon before starting up my audio player, otherwise the player just hangs while waiting for the audio device. This happens on my desktop and laptop with different audio hardware so it's not just one buggy driver.

Pretty much all of the software I need is available as an Ubuntu package, so fragmentation/incompatibility hasn't really affected me.

Re:Can't blame him.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086689)

You must suck with computers. I have an eight year old 3.2ghz p4 that is running Win7 just fine.

Richard Stallman is a shitheel (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086273)

Mono was/is a good project, and De Icaza is a great coder and hell of a guy.

But nope, we're going to get all up in arms about using an ISO standard language because a guy at Microsoft came up with it. Better get those Java VMs installed!

How'd that java thing work out for the free software community, anyways?

Re:Richard Stallman is a shitheel (3, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086421)

bullshit, it's a very incomplete .NET 4.0 missing huge parts of the framework. and let's not forget Moonlight, now dead.

incomplete system like that is fit only for a trainwreck of a project, like say GNOME3

Re:Richard Stallman is a shitheel (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086461)

And the full Java SDK is open source.

Re:Richard Stallman is a shitheel (-1, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086447)

Mono was a pointless waste of time and De Icaza is a quisling turn coat. Apple deserves that worthless pile of donkey shit.

Re:Richard Stallman is a shitheel (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086589)

So how do you really feel?

Re:Richard Stallman is a shitheel (5, Insightful)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086861)

Mono was a pointless waste of time and De Icaza is a quisling turn coat. Apple deserves that worthless pile of donkey shit.

Lets see:

Miguel's contributions to Linux:

1) Midnight Commander
2) Contributions to Wine
3) He worked with David S. Miller on the Linux SPARC port and wrote several of the video and network drivers in the port, as well as the libc ports to the platform.
4) They both later worked on extending Linux for MIPS to run on SGI's Indy computers and wrote the original X drivers for the system.
5) With Ingo Molnar he wrote the original software implementation of RAID-1 and RAID-5 drivers of the Linux kernel
6) De Icaza started the GNOME project with Federico Mena in August 1997 to create a completely free desktop environment and component model for Linux and other Unix-like operating systems.
7) He also created the GNOME spreadsheet program, Gnumeric.

Your contributions to Slashdot:
1) Silly karmawhoring hatefilled anti-Microsoft rants on Slashdot

Who has made better contributions to the progress of Open Source?

Snake seeks home (-1, Troll)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086299)

he would infest Linux with Microsoft poison, but Apple won't allow that. What other pools could he piss in? I think he should join Oracle or IBM and crap up Java Server EE, nothing of value would be lost

Not allow what? (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086375)

he would infest Linux with Microsoft poison

I'm not keen on .NET either, but that's quite overdoing it.

As for "allowing" anything, Apple lets you sue whatever language you like to produce iOS binaries - MonoTouch is one of them.

Re:Not allow what? (4, Funny)

7-Vodka (195504) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086925)

Apple lets you sue..whatever you like

Oh Freudian slips how I love thee.. .

Re:Snake seeks home (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086415)

Fuck you bitch. Linux sucks a faggot's dick. Go cry to your fucking momma. Fucking cunt.

Philosophy is nice and all... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086323)

...but sometimes you just have to Get. Shit. Done. Part of getting shit done is using tools that Just Work.

Yes. Freedom. Openness. Yadda. Yadda. All good things. I agree with them. I also need to ship code. That's the difference between my project and HURD. Sometimes, I just don't care if the tools I use were made from crushed unicorn horns and children's spleens.

Re:Philosophy is nice and all... (2)

weilawei (897823) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086347)

+1. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you have an entire shop full of tools, why would you use a hammer when you need an angle grinder?

Re:Philosophy is nice and all... (4, Interesting)

vux984 (928602) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086675)

...but sometimes you just have to Get. Shit. Done.

The ends justifies the means. Uh. No.

Not that i disagree with you, with respect to using OSX or Windows when it makes sense to do so. But I don't think using either is particularly "evil".

But if I thought Apple killed children and unicorns then I wouldn't use OSX, even if it was the best tool for a job.

Re:Philosophy is nice and all... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086817)

and yet my experience is VERY different. It has been historically Windows and Mac systems that have failed me time and time again, and Linux systems always saved my bacon. I used to do full time Windows support for a living, and I cannot count how many times Linux systems have recovered the MS Mess.

I would never trust MS or Apple systems for anything critical ever again.

Re:Philosophy is nice and all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086995)

It's great that not everybody is like you. Otherwise there would be no GNU tools or Linux.

MAC IS A LIE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086345)

Attention everyone, MAC OSX is a lie, MS windows 8 is a lie the only true operating system is GNU/Hurd because Linux is a conspiracy set up by open source nuts attempting to cover up the truth of Free Software and that free software can be the only trusted software on this planet since every properitary and Open source software is a big fat lie.

Do you need proof APK'S computer is actually a longsoon MIPS machinew running Hurd and has more power than a Google nexus 10 on Ubuntu see this as the unraveling of the MS/Apple/OSS movement conspiracy to conrol the computing World.

DUDE EVERYONE KNOWS EMACS IS THE GNU/HURD KERNAL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086411)

Enough about degarza who cares anymore.

So he is leaving... (5, Funny)

Linegod (9952) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086349)

So he is leaving the mess he caused?

Arrgghhhh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086359)

It's true then, Apple are the new Microsoft!

de Icaza (4, Insightful)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086369)

I'm starting to think this guy just likes to read about himself in the news. I think his announcement is pretty funny - Linux Mint is a shining example of Linux as a functional desktop OS. It's still not as polished as OS X, but I do find myself using OS X less and less these days.

Maybe he's just butthurt that Gnome probably doesn't have much of a future. I mean, the older versions are great if, uh, your graphics card stops working or something. . .

Re:de Icaza (2, Insightful)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086647)

Linux Mint is a shining example of Linux as a functional desktop OS.

Did they ever get the man pages working on that?

This is why slashdot has turned to crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086389)

"Ha ha mac is so much better" Why even post these?

Whatever.... (5, Insightful)

tetrahedrassface (675645) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086399)

Been running Linux for 15 years now, and it's better than it ever has been. I guess this guy just lost whatever zeal he never really had in the first place for free software.....Read his blog post and it seems like he's just bored or lazy, or both. Oh well......

Re:Whatever.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086531)

You sound like a religious zealot. You in a 12 step program for bitches or something?

Re:Whatever.... (4, Informative)

tetrahedrassface (675645) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086859)

Classy. This machine is working perfectly under Linux. I'm sitting 12 feet (3.5 meters) away from the *two* 50 inch TV's its running out to. Sound is perfect and it's been up for five months....... So yeah.. I like Linux. I like it a lot, and rarely have to fix *anything*. In fact my wifes I-Maxi_pad requires more attention than this machine.

i'm sticking with *nix. THANKSKBYE.

Better than it's ever been... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086831)

...but not good enough as it needs to be. This will always be Linux' mantra.

Re:Whatever.... (0, Troll)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086867)

...he's just bored or lazy, or both.

He expressed a preference for things that work. People who think that is bad are the biggest problem with the fractured mess that is Linux.

He probably thinks his work with Linux is done (3, Interesting)

zkiwi34 (974563) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086403)

As in, he's screwed it as much as he can. Now, it's time to screw up Apple.

Either that or he's just a complete plank who is self-aggrandising by stating he's going Mac.

Join the party (5, Interesting)

Alimony Pakhdan (1855364) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086405)

I did the same about 10 years ago for the same reasons. Oddly enough it was the people at the local LUG with their iBooks & MacBooks that made me realize something was amiss.

Re:Join the party (4, Insightful)

Volanin (935080) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086687)

I have a Macbook. It runs Linux exclusively. People might have diverging opinions about the price, but very few question that it's a very well engineered machine. Have you tried looking at their screens to see what OS they were running?

By the way, 10 years ago iBooks were still using PowerPC processors, and Macbooks didn't exist until 2006.

Re:Join the party (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086851)

http://byuu.org/articles/apple

Apple hardware does not deserve the reputation it currently has. It's Intel hardware for the most part, and the non-intel parts are not some gold standard for how to do stuff.

Wow, only 13 years after screwing up Linux... (2, Interesting)

filesiteguy (695431) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086423)

I'm still not happy about his whole, "Qt isn't OSS so I'm writing GNOME to compete with KDE" move back in the late '90s. Though I appreciate Ximian, I fail to see why he's even relevant these days.

I was a HUGE Linux fanboi in the late '90s through about 2010. I agree with him, however, that Linux just doesn't work as a day-to-day end-user platform anymore. As it is, I'm mostly using my Nexus tablet and Galaxy phone for tasks, and then resort to Wintendo when I need.

Re:Wow, only 13 years after screwing up Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086723)

Yep. Nothing like eschewing Linux for Android.
 
...

groan.

Re:Wow, only 13 years after screwing up Linux... (4, Insightful)

Ice Station Zebra (18124) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086755)

Nexus tablet runs Linux

Galaxy phone runs Linux

Wintendo what the hell is that?

Re:Wow, only 13 years after screwing up Linux... (4, Funny)

jfengel (409917) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086863)

Linux just doesn't work as a day-to-day end-user platform anymore

So, the Year of Linux on the Desktop finally came, and I missed it?

This is a true statement (5, Insightful)

metrix007 (200091) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086425)

It doesn't matter his affiliation or if he likes or even works for MS or not. Judge the statement on it's own, and it's true.

It's something Linux geeks have trouble admitting, but it is the sole reason Linux usage has not skyrocketed in adoption. If the LSB worked anthing close to how it was envisioned, developers would flock to the platform and then so would users.

At the moment, people use the distro they like and defend, while non linux geeks use distros like Ubuntu or Mint, which are the only platforms commercial developers tend to target.

Re:This is a true statement (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086493)

Ever heard of Android?

Linux is in a helluva lot more places than Microsoft or Apple's offerings.

Re:This is a true statement (3, Interesting)

ThorGod (456163) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086575)

I really like Android, but it is something of the exception that proves the rule. Every phone is locked into a version of Android and doesn't have much life past that stream.

Re:This is a true statement (1)

ThorGod (456163) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086561)

Yeah, I wish they'd pool resources in an effort to make One Stable, Solid Distribution sort of like FreeBSD.

Re:This is a true statement (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086787)

Yeah, I wish they'd pool resources in an effort to make One Stable, Solid Distribution sort of like FreeBSD.

Most devs are volunteers. They fortunately do not seem to share your vision of GNU/Linux as one change-resistant, monolithic, one size fits all, monster (I'm by no means saying FreeBSD is like that, as I've never used it) so, you know, that will never happen. Developing a single distro would be cheaper than having dozens of custom distros tailored for different needs, but it would be a worse experience for all users.

One of the major strengths of GNU/Linux is the freedom of choice it provides. The ability to choose whatever system we prefer makes Slackware, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Arch, Mint, Debian, etc users happy. "The One Distro To Rule Them All" would never work, and for a good reason: it's a really stupid idea.

Re:This is a true statement (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086579)

Ignorant ass nigger.

Re:This is a true statement (1)

khasim (1285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086619)

Judge the statement on it's own, and it's true.

I disagree. He's supposed to be a programmer. For a programmer to complain about the packages is ... stupid.

If the LSB worked ...

That's a whole different issue.

... while non linux geeks use distros like Ubuntu or Mint, which are the only platforms commercial developers tend to target.

And Red Hat. For servers. And maybe SuSE. And ...

In the end it all depends upon who you are and what kind of work you are trying to accomplish.

Macs are great. But if his complaint is about packages then Macs are probably not the ideal platform for him. What's he going to do if there is a bug in the proprietary software?

Re:This is a true statement (3, Informative)

elfprince13 (1521333) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086701)

Use Apple's bug reporting system. Last time I reported something, it got fixed in the next release.

In this case... (5, Funny)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086435)

Apple's loss is Linux's gain.

Goodbye (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086439)

And good riddance. May you spread your rarely worthwhile opinions and offer your inferior products over there, far away from me. You massively egotistical crybaby.

Hilarious. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086451)

So, de Icaza finally accepted that Microsoft weren't the holy grail that he's been pimping them out as since .NET and C# were released? Or did Tim Cook just pay him more than Ballmer did?

Miguel is a shill, anyone who's been paying attention has known that for a while now. Why anyone would care what he's running on his desktop I don't know.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, asshole (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086475)

It's ironic that he complains about fragmentation, since he's largely responsible. Gnome is pretty shitty, but numerous distributions waste effort either supporting it or for some reason using it primarily instead of KDE which is a lot better. If it weren't Gnome all Linux desktops would have long ago standardized on KDE and we'd be better off for it.

That is FUNNY. (-1, Troll)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086495)

This is the same SOB that was at the root of SO MUCH OF IT. And now he carps about the mess that he created. gads, if the guy was an American, he would be a registered republican.

Re:That is FUNNY. (1)

cpicon92 (1157705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086779)

This is the same SOB that was at the root of SO MUCH OF IT. And now he carps about the mess that he created. gads, if the guy was an American, he would be a registered republican.

I was with you until you got to the last two words. I think you should replace "registered republican" with "politician." Hypocrisy is not exclusive to the Republican party.

Re:That is FUNNY. (1)

weilawei (897823) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086981)

So close... you've almost achieved the near-mythical +5 Troll!

RMS. (1, Flamebait)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086509)

Free Software Foundation's founder Richard Stallman's description of de Icaza as a 'traitor to the free software community,'

Well, if I wasn't before, I'm firmly on de Icaza's side now.

Re:RMS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086657)

One has to admire the way that come the revolution the opposition will queue together in an orderly fashion, up against the wall.

Back in the day... (5, Interesting)

CyberSnyder (8122) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086513)

I liked to tinker with configs and settings and libraries, but now I like my home computer to just work. They cost more, but are worth it. I still have a unix command line and most of the open source tools but have access to commercial software as well.

Yummy KoolAid.

I am fed up with this software, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086545)

Each single day the software gets into the way, I am fed up. Unfortunately I am not in the situation to call Microsoft or Apple even a slighly better...

cb

Gnome 3 so shitty (5, Funny)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086559)

founder buys a mac and doesnt look back

I was expecting Windows, but Mac?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086563)

I am truly stunned. I mean, his support of Dot Net, and his prior ties to Microsoft would suggest an eventual departure to Microsoft, and its Desktop that just works, but mac?!?! Our closet Microsoftie has joined Apple.... I'm speechless.

Re:I was expecting Windows, but Mac?!?! (3, Funny)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086653)

Why surprised? He wants to do to Apple what he has done to the Linux world.

Which Mono helped solve right? (3, Interesting)

gQuigs (913879) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086585)

Nope. In fact, I think it made it worse.

And they are still advertising Moonlight even though it is a dead project (and they admit it!). Can someone PLEASE turn off this site*! http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ [go-mono.com]

One of the biggest problem with Linux is people abandoning projects and not removing them from the net/distros. You were wrong, you've admited it, but you leave us the mess.

*In all seriousness, the few Silverlight websites redirect their Linux users to this page where it almost never works for them. This of course makes the Linux experience go from just "Unsupported" to building up the hopes of the users and then Unsupported.

RMS kicked Miguel out a long time ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086603)

In 2003, RMS kicked Miguel out of the FSF because Miguel insisted on saying Linux instead of RMS's fabrication "GNU/Linux".

RMS is a glory-hogging piece of shit who will throw a temper tantrum if you don't give him credit for everything, even things he had nothing to do with.

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3361991/Free+Software+Group+Not+Well+With+Mono.htm

Really? (2, Insightful)

greywire (78262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086655)

What a bunch of immature highschool kids. Stallman is a douchebag. And now Miguel uses a Mac? Man, RMS must be having a total mental breakdown now. WTF people?

Its really simple. You can f around with linux endlessly or you can get tired of it and move on to something more interesting. Obviously, Miguel is getting older and just doesn't want to f around with linux anymore. The Mac (for now) just gets things done. Thats not to say that nobody should f around with linux, obviously we need those people to do that, and eventually they'll get it more and more solid. Bless their little hearts. But in the mean time, other people want to f around with other things and not have to constantly be f'ing with linux.

Its like cars (or motorcycles)...

When your younger, you don't mind the beater car that you have to repair all the time. You dream of the day when its perfectly restored, but you never get there. One day you just realize, you have other things you want to do, so you buy a new car that just works. If you're lucky you can now afford one because you stopped f'ing with linux and started f'ing with something else that you can make a good living at. And if you're really lucky, you pick up some pile of junk [blogspot.com] to work on solely as a hobby and without the stress of wondering if the f'ing thing is going to get you to work on time.

Re:Really? (1)

Sir or Madman (2818071) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086789)

Yeah and what happens when the car runs out of gas in your analogy, smart guy?

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086791)

+1. Once upon a time hacking my system into shape was worth it to me. Now I just want to use the thing and not worry about the guts everyday. OS X lets me get things done and if I want Unix it is there for me too.

Re:Really? (2, Funny)

zixxt (1547061) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086853)

How dare you call Stallman a such a name. You scumbag, you're not even fit to pick the cheese of off Richards feet.

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086905)

Bingo.

This has ALWAYS been the basic dichotomy that the Linux faithful (which definitely included me at one time) fail to grasp: One group of people see computers as a fun thing, something to be explored and tinkered with, even if they use them for real and serious work. The other group considers computers,operating systems, apps, etc. as a big, steaming pile of inconvenience they have to tolerate to do something else -- work, listen to music, whatever. This is why do-nothing tablets are so wildly popular -- they manage to eliminate a lot of the hassles of running Windows while spoon-feeding users e-mail and the Web and media. Most people here (including me) consider them pretty toys and nowhere near capable enough to replace even an old, painfully slow laptop.

Interesting (2, Insightful)

razorshark (2843829) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086749)

I found myself moving from Linux back to Windows 7. Turns out I didn't actually care what fanboys proclaimed Linux could do if the software I wanted to run didn't exist in Linux. Or that my USB3 ports were busted in Linux due to a regression in the kernel that no-one bothered to fix. Or that there aren't any GUI file managers that are as quick at displaying info (and enough details including bitrates and resolutions) that are capable in Explorer.

Shame. But I think I've rid myself of the fanboy stink and use whatever the fuck I want now.

Who cares? (0, Flamebait)

xtracto (837672) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086751)

A random Mexican (disc. I am a Mexican too) writes about some crap in his personal blog, someone posts it to /. and everybody gets their panties in a bunch.

Meh, I don't like Apple philosophy and a lot of the shit Jobs made, but right now I am writing this from a Mac I got in my current job and I have no problem, iterm2 and brew give me everything I need from the Linux world.

I got a Mac (1)

O'Nazareth (1203258) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086753)

And it sleeps in a drawer.

I would put the fault on the fragmentation of packaging distributions like Fink, MacPorts, Homebrew, etc. Also videogames that supposedly work on Mac usually just do not even start because they are not compatible with the hardware.

de Icaza (5, Insightful)

jgotts (2785) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086761)

Please refrain from attacking de Icaza for these simple reasons.

Like Stallman, de Icaza has donated countless hours of organization and programming time to Linux. Neither got rich as a result. Politics aside, Linux is about superior engineering, even if only as a side effect. Because of the efforts of these two individuals, among many others, Linux is now the most popular operating system on the planet. By any stretch of the imagination, they were and are victorious. Android is closing in on a billion users, but regardless of what Google's marketing materials may tell you, Android is a Linux distribution, and GNU and GNOME have been perfecting Linux distributions for over two decades.

I understand that Android does not ship with much GNU or GNOME software, but GNU and GNOME are what built Linux. Without either, the foundations upon which Android runs would never have accreted enough functionality to even think about running a smartphone.

As mostly non-rich people, often not closely allied with specific companies, we don't have publicists or agents. We don't come off as polished. We don't have speech writers. Forgive us for seeming offensive, rude, obnoxious, conceited, full of ourselves, or some other adjective. We're people, and as engineers we're trained to traffic in the honest truth. Once you meet us you'll like us, for the most part. And even if you don't, enjoy using our software. Contribute if you like.

Re:de Icaza (0)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086873)

Please refrain from attacking de Icaza....

You posted this on ./??????? There's one missing dependency, though: our consent.

Re:de Icaza (1)

weilawei (897823) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086887)

For some of us, the cold hard truth is worth more than a thousand placations. Keep on truckin'.

Re:de Icaza (1)

Agram (721220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43087015)

If I could donate you all my karma, I would... We need more people like you and less of the zealots on all sides of the fence...

Doesn't bode well (1)

CmdrChaos (1742296) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086835)

Miguel de Icaza is a contrarian. That doesn't bode well for Apple.

Miguel's Broken Compass Strikes Again (2, Insightful)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086839)

On reading Miguel's blog post I found myself thinking about a character who showed up on Gilligan's Island who was perpetually lost in his biplane. His nickname was "Wrong Way."

Ever notice how Miguel always seems to get involved in chaotic situations and then flees them by taking the wrong train, ending up in the middle of nowhere? Why does anyone even listen to this guy?

Increasing "GUIfication" to blame.... (4, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086849)

Can't speak for Icaza but for me personally, the trend towards making the Linux desktop "easier to use" has had me running away from the platform as a Desktop.... the problem is if you are going to make a GUI(and as a result make command line configuration more difficult), that GUI better damn well work. And at least with the desktop managers I have tried, it doesn't. So I find myself constantly trying to figure out what they changed from the previous version(that isn't working in the current version), and of course constantly changing where things are located etc. doesn't help.

If you are going to change the desktop experience in order to make it "easier to use", you damn well better get it right, or else not only do you fail to capture a new audience, you end up alienating the current user base. That seems to be what Gnome has done.
For me personally I develop on a mac, and run my test and prod on Linux(I've tried OS X as a server, and ironically it seems to suffer the same problems as a server as Linux does as a Desktop, they tried to make it "easier to use", but didn't get the abstraction right and the result is a mess).
I was recently put in the unfortunate position of having to develop a PHP app, and I tried doing everything on Fedora 18 with Gnome, and.... that was just plain frustrating. The installer tried to be "easy to use", but often failed, the system got stuck in reboot but I couldn't figure out what service was failing because I couldn't get it to not show that stupid startup animation and instead show me the boot log etc. Eventually I got the machine booted and then just ssh into it from my Mac, much less frustrating.

Bottom line: don't make Linux "easier to use" by breaking a bunch of shit.

that means Mono is DEAD (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086877)

and no resurrection and that is joyful news!

Publicity stunt. (4, Interesting)

csumpi (2258986) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086889)

I don't have any issues with Miguel, but I met him about 4 years ago and even then he was using a macbook with osx. Or maybe he was just a closet osx user and now coming out? Or he's just starting a fight?

Oh for fuck's sake (4, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086937)

To me, the fragmentation of Linux as a platform, the multiple incompatible distros

So he chooses to get his hardware and software from one vendor. Okay thats very neat and simple but he could get it from Canonical as well, or one of the BSD projects.

Meanwhile... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086943)

... the Linux community continues to talk to themselves across random blog posts. What a small and insignificant bunch.

I find it entertaining... (5, Interesting)

Nite_Hawk (1304) | about a year and a half ago | (#43086949)

As I sit here on my MacBook Air running Ubuntu, working on Ceph (ie getting stuff done!) while browsing slashdot. I've tried OSX many times, and I keep coming back to Linux because it's so much *more* productive, especially when working on code. The only thing I miss is netflix.

So whatever. I still have a soft spot for Apple hardware, but I'll stick with Linux thank-you-very-much.

Excuses... (4, Interesting)

vga_init (589198) | about a year and a half ago | (#43087021)

I use serveral operating systems frequently due to work (and it used to be my hobby). I appreciate OS X's desktop interface a lot, but I don't realy understand Miguel's justification that Mac "just works" in terms of package availability and the quality of the base system.

It's no secret that OS X's base is lifted from FreeBSD. Is Linux too fragmented and chaotic for you? Do you long for a complete and and integrated system base in a single source tree, backed by unified development effort? FreeBSD has that. It also has very high package availability (better than most Linux distros).

On the Linux side, I use Fedora. I never have any trouble finding packages for Fedora. The quality that gets put into the base system of Fedora also leaves little to be desired.

I don't fault Miguel for his choice. OS X is nice--it gets the job done. I just don't think OS X is really giving him something special that he couldn't have gotten with Linux, BSD, or even Windows. If he misses the development toolchain of Linux, he should go back to Linux; that's totally understandable.

fragmented my ass (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43087027)

I moved to a MacBook for the sole virtue of it being a well-designed notebook, but I have strong feelings regarding Mac OS's functionality and "administrability" when compared to linux distros. It bothers me that there is NO package system to speak of, and you basically have to scour the internet like a fool to find basic tools that are one apt-get away in Ubuntu. I mean, yeah, I know there's stuff like homebrew, fink and macports, but so far all of those gave me nothing but headache, for the sole reason they are third-party hacks not supported (or even acknowledged) by the builders of the system (i.e. Apple).

To top it in terms of silliness, he speaks of "the binaries just works", but he neglects to mention that you still have to look for them in really random places over Google - something that apt-get like systems have been doing securely for the last what, 10 years? I indeed find it very odd that, although there's only one hardware platform for the Mac OS to run, all those third party packaging tools I mentioned actually require you to COMPILE everything again; then you go to the Ubuntu/Debian world, meant to run on several platforms and there's BINARIES for just about anything.

I really want to know what this guy is on. Gnome was a great thing, and he let it rot into that sad piece of bad usability called Unity; then he started dabbling in the very proprietary, advantage-free world of .NET, and he just bows down to Jobs walled garden legacy? I don't get it.

Anyway, freedom not to use is one of the 4 fundamental freedoms, according to RMS. Nothing of value is being (newly) lost, so big effing deal.

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