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Microsoft Restores Transfer Rights To Office 2013

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the putting-right-what-once-went-wrong dept.

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New submitter gewalker writes "Bowing to significant unfriendly customer feedback regarding its new 'no transfer' license for Office 2013, Microsoft has reconsidered and will now allow Office 2013 licenses to be transferred between computers. Actual license language will not be reflected for a few months for shipped products, but Microsoft will allow transfer of license effective immediately. Calls to customer support will be necessary, as the activation servers won't be updated for a few months."

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LOL (-1, Troll)

eneville (745111) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095743)

First post!

a good move (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095921)

I think this is a good decision on the part of microsoft. I for one buy a license to use in a virtual machine, and if the licensing stood as it was originally described, once I cut my virtual machine loose I wouldn't be able to install it elsewhere. Still kinda a pain to re-activate it elsewhere, but better than nothing!

Re:a good move (2)

dimeglio (456244) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096381)

It does look like this was just a "feeler" but indicates the direction MS wants to take wrt to software licensing.

Re:a good move (2)

eneville (745111) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096611)

It does look like this was just a "feeler" but indicates the direction MS wants to take wrt to software licensing.

Bit of a late feeler, Windows XP is a bit like this, three strikes and you're out. Time to phone custome services for an enabling. Soon people will take notice of Open/Libra office or other free and immediately usable program.

Re:a good move (1)

blagooly (897225) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096627)

Agreed. A good move, and a hopeful sign. I have become a jaded wrt the "power of the net", and the upcoming transformation of all things. Alas, it is not yet That New World. In fact it looks further away sometimes, the early promise of open freedoms betrayed, stolen via quiet back door consolidations of power by corporate/government. But this is another very good sign. A very large and powerful company is listening, it matters what we say. It is incremental, but it is real. I fall into despair at times, but still send that email, call the customer service, fill out the FOIA. Demand it. It is non negotiable.

Re:a good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097479)

Seconded. Microsoft gets a bonus point for this one.

Re:a good move (1, Troll)

rudy_wayne (414635) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096593)

Who are these people stupid enough to buy Office 2013?

Re:a good move (2)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096641)

i dont' know... office 2007 was 10x better than office 2003. 2010 wasn't that big of an improvement over 2007, but brought some nice features. i'm not sure what they can do with 2013, but I'm curious to find out!

Re:a good move (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096811)

Apparently they're throwing it in for free [digitimes.com] if you'll take Windows 8.

Re:a good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097285)

Then the question becomes: why would i take windows 8?

Re:a good move (3, Insightful)

PRMan (959735) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097643)

Then the question becomes: why would i take windows 8?

To get the free copy of Office, of course. Duh!

Re:LOL (2)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096233)

Now you've used up your post license for this thread. To post again, you will have to buy another.

Great (4, Insightful)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095761)

This is a step in the right direction. Now if only unfriendly customer feedback would get them to retract Metro we'll really be in business.

Seriously though, how obvious was it that there would be a huge negative reaction to the change of licensing terms for Office? As usually, the more MBA's you get involved in things the dumber the collective IQ of an organization gets.

Re:Great (2)

eneville (745111) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095847)

Too true. In reality, perhaps they employed a sensible one this time? The MS business was built around piracy, if it were not for people swapping/trading disks all the time in the early day they wouldn't have such a grip on the market now. Move ahead a few decades and people are pissed off with install times, slow boots and difficult migrations.

Re:Great (0)

jkrise (535370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095877)

how obvious was it that there would be a huge negative reaction

With Chair-Man in charge of things, MicroSoft's arrogance knows no bounds. They are past caring any more; and seem intent on bringing down as many competitors on their way down to ir-relevance.

In the new markets such as smartphones and tablet devices Microsoft is not even 5% as relevant as in desktops. So now instead of competing on merit on desktops, they are trying to force desktop makers to ensure competing OSes are very difficult if not impossible to install.

Re:Great (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096139)

I see no big changes in MS conduct from Gates to Ballmer. The difference in effects is huge but you should thank GNU, Linux, and mac users for that.

Last time I thought it was an OK company, I was using applesoft basic...

Re:Great (0)

nwf (25607) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097147)

Last time I thought it was an OK company, I was using applesoft basic...

Nah, Word 5 for Mac OS was pretty nice. Fast, logical and it worked. It's been downhill ever since. Word is now slower on my 3 GHz box than my old 16 MHz box from 20 years ago.

Re:Great (1)

eneville (745111) | about a year and a half ago | (#43098253)

I totally agree. However, WordPerfect 5.1 was damn good on a 8Mhz 086, the text interface was simple. You just wrote what you needed and when you wanted to worry about the layout you'd look at the print preview. I think this is why I prefer things like (La)TeX and do all my editing in vim. Certainly makes life better for me. Someone once said, "if it can't be said in plain text then it's not worth saying", which seems true to most things, so why is the whole world worried about the way something will look once printed, when they should be more concerned with the message?

Re:Great (2, Interesting)

lcam (848192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095903)

It seems they don't really have a concrete business model for their core business anymore.

They are more about tweaking their assets and trying to milk it.

Maybe in Windows 9, they will retract Metro due to customer feedback, then declare their new changes innovative and declare it a success.

Re:Great (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43095983)

Everything is a success, until it gets axed. Zune, PlayForSure, Clippy, etc...

Re:Great (5, Funny)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096261)

Ah, Clippy--the Jar Jar Binks of software.

Re:Great (2)

PhxBlue (562201) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096517)

Clippy was Jar Jar Binks before Jar Jar was ... actually, you know what, nevermind.

Re:Great (1)

theVarangian (1948970) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097729)

Ah, Clippy--the Jar Jar Binks of software.

I thought that was Steve Ballmer?

Re:Great (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096093)

You mean faking how steve jobs handled the iphone then?
X? You don't need X.
-Next release-
And we are proud to present X, which is fucking great.

Re:Great (5, Funny)

sdnoob (917382) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096397)

and it will be called..

wait for it...

WINDOWS RETRO

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097699)

You mean Windows " Classic "

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097745)

"classic" is trademarked... apple even had to license (they didn't buy it) it for the old "macintosh classic" from years-back.

Re:Great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43095967)

When you have this kind of marketshare you keep pushing to the edge until consumers make you stop. Its all about trying to get away with as much as possible.

Re:Great (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096951)

When you have this kind of marketshare you keep pushing to the edge until consumers make you stop. Its all about trying to get away with as much as possible.

Funny how everyone on here fancies themselves a patent attorney, a international rights advisor, a nasa scientist or in your case a CEO of a worldwide multi billion dollar company.

Do you honestly think a company like microsoft sits and says "Hey were huge, lets keep messing with customers till they tell us to stop"?

You dont know dick about being the head of a company like microsoft, hell you probablly dont even know what its like to be a manager at mcdonalds (although Im sure youll tell us all about whatever it is you do and make something up that still isnt a microsoft ceo).

Guys like you just want to bitch about big business is all. You always want to assume big business is stepping on you, treating the little guy like crap and out to get us all when infact they arent. You cheer the little business on because you can relate to them, you boo the big guys because they are so far above you that it makes you feel jealous and insecure so you have to assume they are garbage to make yourself feel better.

Re:Great (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096015)

The more I see of metro, the more I like it.

On touchscreen devices.
The person that suggested using it on things that do not have a touch screen should still be shot.

Re:Great (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096833)

Oh, I adore Metro. It's just the thing to catapult Microsoft operating systems into the kind of market share they deserve.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43099319)

Well played.... :)

Re:Great (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097599)

I've been liking it on my desktop system too. It's nice to be able to pin Hulu in the corner of one display and not have it interact with other windows.

Re:get them to retract Metro (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096089)

But they just might be doing so. Unlike a "policy" they really can't retract an entire product like that; but early scuttle of this "Windows Blue" thing DOES seem to have some UI fixes in it. Depending if MS can hold to real timetables or not these days, it is "sorta scheduled" for maybe late this summer.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096111)

Really all they needed was an install time option explaining Metro and asking if the user wanted their default environment to be classic desktop or the new UI. I use Windows 8 on a regular (non-touchscreen) laptop and I'm fine with it, but only after I installed Classic Shell to allow me to boot directly to desktop. I don't even mind using Metro for certain things and I can see what kind of applications/scenarios would benefit from it, but not having a simple option to allow a user to bypass it was foolish.

Re:Great (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096511)

I'll bet that option comes in SP1.

Re:Great (1)

dave024 (1204956) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096911)

I don't get why people don't like the way Windows 8 boots up with the start menu open. Isn't one of the first things you do open an application? That brings you right to where you need to go.

Re:Great (1)

ixidor (996844) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097153)

except now, you get 1 open app, fullscreen. and have to jump through hoops to do anything else. and heaven forbid if you use a mouse and move/hover in just te wrong way.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097471)

That is not true. If you launch a desktop application from Modern UI, it opens and behaves as a window directly on the desktop.

Modern UI will house two native Metro applications side by side, including the desktop itself (much may contain any number of "classic" applications). In this way, you could have the desktop using the large portion of the screen and think of a Metro application using the smaller portion as you would the sidebar in Vista/7.

Colin Chapman (4, Insightful)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096605)

Seriously though, how obvious was it that there would be a huge negative reaction to the change of licensing terms for Office?

It's like how Colin Chapman designed car frames: keep taking out pieces until it collapses under its own weight. Put the last piece back in. Do something outrageous and walk it back just one step, getting almost all of what you wanted.

Simple Business Sociopathy 101.

Re:Colin Chapman (1)

Bonobo_Unknown (925651) | about a year and a half ago | (#43098679)

The exact opposite of how Rolls Royce used to design cars - test to destruction, make the part that failed stronger and repeat.

Re:Great (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097427)

I just got classic shell, and now Im over it. In every other way Win 8 is better.

Granted, that doesnt make it more palatable to businesses, but I think that bridge is already burned.

Re:You think Metro is bad?! (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#43099795)

This is a step in the right direction. Now if only unfriendly customer feedback would get them to retract Metro we'll really be in business.

Seriously though, how obvious was it that there would be a huge negative reaction to the change of licensing terms for Office? As usually, the more MBA's you get involved in things the dumber the collective IQ of an organization gets.

Wait to you see the blinding white of of Office 2013! [blogcdn.com] May god have mercy on your soul if you have a flickering flourscent light 60 mhz CRT you stare at all day with it.

Other than that it has some nice improvements under the hood. Cloud integration, an app store with app addons like Firefox has with its browses, GPU acceleration, detailed collaborative editing, and Metro support. I have the dark theme which is a medium gray (it is void of all colors) and I have been running it for almost a month.

It is cool because you can look at a paragraph in Word and see -edited by Jamie 1/29/2013 tag. The document changes work like Im conversations. But the gui,,, just makes me want to go back to Office 2010 similiar to Windows 8. Shame, but potential for something new as addons for cloud services will be the next major reason to upgrade office this decade. Perhaps Office 2015 with Windows 9 will be mature and nice again?

Great, now give HUP users downgrade rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43095853)

Purchased Office 2013 through HUP and can't stand it. Contact MS about downgrade rights to 2010, and can't (legally). What a joke.

Re:Great, now give HUP users downgrade rights (1)

lcam (848192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095977)

refund...

Re:Great, now give HUP users downgrade rights (1)

couchslug (175151) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097649)

There are plenty of ways to get 2010 and keep it activated without bothering MSFT.

Fucking sleazebags (5, Insightful)

NettiWelho (1147351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095861)

Trying to chip away customers rights at every chance and backing away only when the blowback gets unbearable, just to wait for another chance.

Re:Fucking sleazebags (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095887)

Yeah, seems like they were testing the waters.

Re:Beta release (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096207)

EULA SP3 is in development.

Re:Fucking sleazebags (2)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year and a half ago | (#43095973)

Sort of like, well, every other tech company.

not just tech (1)

mschaffer (97223) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096053)

And you think this is limited to tech companies?

Re:not just tech (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097647)

Forget companies, I think most people do this.

The beauty of slashdot mentality is you get to pretend that its only "companies" that are messed up, not people.

Re:Fucking sleazebags (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43095999)

Yes, it seems like a lot of company's are trying very draconian things just to see what they can and can't getaway with and if the heat gets too much well then 'Let's back off that for now, maybe in another few years we'll try again'.

The ultimate, lets see how badly we can screw over our customers.

Re: Fucking sleazebags (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43099461)

I've looked at companies since the 50s and looking at many of them now makes me feel like "Idiocracy" was a documentary.

Re:Fucking sleazebags (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096213)

Not just "a right". The ability to resell wares that you have bought is for instance in Finland protected by the constitution. Microsoft's rule was actually straight illegal in Finland. They have been in the court (including the Finnish supreme court) over the very issue in the past and they got their asses handed back to them...

Re:Fucking sleazebags (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096225)

I believe that's called the Facebook approach.

Re:Fucking sleazebags (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096283)

Unless an ugly license, and the generated furor, is a low-budget advertising campaign. How else would I know that MS is out peddling the same codebase since Office95, with whatever fresh UI cock-ups this version will bring?

planned generated furor as a PR stunt (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096465)

re: the generated furor, is a low-budget advertising campaign.
.
Sort of like starting "New Coca Cola", getting the furor as publicity, and pretending to revert back to the old fornula with "Classic Coca Cola" and looking like they're the good guys for listening to their buying publick: meanwhile, they secretly substituted corn syrup for the cane sugar originally used as the sweetener. A little sleight of hand here, a little misdirection there, and the guillible ol' public thinks "hey, this big ol' corporations looking out for US!".
.
On the other hand, if there'd been no outcry, hey, new onerous terms accepted, and cash flow increased. Cha-cha-ching!

Re:Fucking sleazebags (1)

afidel (530433) | about a year and a half ago | (#43098263)

Uh, Office 2007 was basically a complete rewrite, there's some of the old code included to translate XLS binary format into native 2007 XLSX format, but other than that very little legacy code is left.

Re:Fucking sleazebags (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#43099853)

You what is stupid?

Why do the rest of us have left XP ages ago while the corps live in the past with ancient kernels and internet browsers? The answer is because of costs and migration hassles.

So what does Microsoft do? Put at $179 charge on upgrading in edition to Windows! Think that will get Windows 9 and newer tablets out the door in 2015? Nope. If I have to blow an addition $179 for something I already have in addition to investing in new hardware then fuck it! Windows 7 still works fine and so does Office 2010 and I will move my games to lower detailed settings as my hardware ages. Hmm sounds similiar to my employers attitude towards upgrading.

Take away that extra cash and I will be more likely to switch to Windows 9 on my PhenomII in 2015 if hardware still does not innovate that much and perhaps leave Office 2010 by then too if it is innovative enough. But if I alreayd blew $$ for 2013 I will keep what i have longer. I don't win, and neither does Microsoft. OEMs would loose too and Web developers will be pissed as IE users will use obsolete versions tied to Windows 7 longer as a result as well.

Hooray! Now, about the Windows 8 problem... (4, Insightful)

mschaffer (97223) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096041)

Maybe more rational thinking is returning to the Big M.
Now, if only they would rethink the Windows 8 mess on desktops.

Re:Hooray! Now, about the Windows 8 problem... (1)

acoustix (123925) | about a year and a half ago | (#43099757)

Now, if only they would rethink the Windows 8 mess on desktops.

If you think the Win 8 interface is horrible, just wait until you try Server 2012. Metro. On a server. For reelz.

Why? WHY???????

Monopoly, meet competition. (1)

kawabago (551139) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096063)

just say goodbye.

The car analogy? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096101)

I bought some tires for my car and they came with locking lug-nuts. The lug-nuts are weird in that, once fastened, nobody can undo them except for the tire manufacturer. If I want to use the tires on another car, I have to call them and they will allow me to move the tires to a different vehicle.

And I would choose to buy these tires why?

Re:The car analogy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096145)

A computer analogy: Apple

Re:The car analogy? (3, Insightful)

Githaron (2462596) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096199)

Because the only way to guarantee that your tires are 100% compatible with the roads on the way to work is to buy those tires.

Re:The car analogy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096217)

That's a stupid analogy and you should feel bad.

Re:The car analogy? (3, Interesting)

EvanED (569694) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096475)

And I would choose to buy these tires why?

What if the tires gave you better traction on the road in your common driving conditions than the alternatives? In such a case, why wouldn't you buy those tires? Do you have two cars but only one set of tires, and you move the tires back and forth depending on what car you want to drive?

(Just to clarify, I'm not arguing that MS Office is better than the alternatives for everyone or everything. But I do think it's better than the alternatives for some things, just like the alternatives are better than MS Office for others.)

Re:The car analogy? (3, Interesting)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097101)

I bought some tires for my car and they came with locking lug-nuts. The lug-nuts are weird in that, once fastened, nobody can undo them except for the tire manufacturer. If I want to use the tires on another car, I have to call them and they will allow me to move the tires to a different vehicle.

And I would choose to buy these tires why?

It guarantees that your tires are "Genuine". They haven't been secretly swapped with other tires with similar names or have shoddy workmanship. They are 100% unquestionably AwesomeTires(r)(sm).

I'm not a car person... (3, Funny)

QilessQi (2044624) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097151)

...can someone explain that post using a computer analogy?

Re:I'm not a car person... (1)

Lemmeoutada Collecti (588075) | about a year and a half ago | (#43098129)

Sure. So it's like you bought a computer from Apple.

That was easy. Next?

Re:I'm not a car person... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43098941)

Sure. So it's like you bought a computer from Apple.

That was easy. Next?

Wait a minute here, is the example buying a computer from Apple or from Next?

Re:The car analogy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097995)

Tires don't need lug nuts, wheels do.

Matbe they should look at MVC (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096223)

Calls to customer support will be necessary, as the activation servers won't be updated for a few months.

A few MONTHS for a simple business-rule change?

Awesome! Thank you Microsoft! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096245)

We are all forever in your debt! Where would the computing world be without Microsoft's amazing software and generous licensing terms?

Several months? (3, Insightful)

Sydin (2598829) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096273)

I applaud the change itself, but stretching the timeframe to actually having a good system implemented will do Microsoft no good. I hope they're okay with rampant piracy, since it will be more convenient to just pirate a new copy of Office 2013, rather than fumble around with Microsoft's customer support for a day while they double check my name, phone number, social security number, hair color, and genome sequence to make absolutely sure I really am the same one who bought that license in the first place.

Re:Several months? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096369)

If its anything like moving a windows license, you enter a bunch of numbers in to an automated system that then reads a bunch of numbers back to you and your done in 5 minutes.

Re:Several months? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096441)

Which is 5 minutes wasted for no reason whatsoever.

Re:Several months? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096669)

Worse, you only get 5 times before you have to do the phone process, then be rejected, then call back, then be hung up on, then get an indian call center that accuses you of piracy, then have to do the whole thing again manually.

AKA a 45min process once every 6 months when I upgrade hardware.

The last time I called I made it very clear I would not be doing that again, and would be cracking it. They told me I couldn't. I told them I would send the bill for my time. They wouldn't pay it.

Needless to say, cracks are way faster, quicker, cheaper, and easier than a legit install.

Re:Several months? (4, Informative)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096613)

Or in my case the serial number provided by Asus on the laptop doesn't work, so you end up on the phone with Microsoft for 1/2 hour trying to convince some guy that you're just install a new hard drive. And he says the license is not transferable onto the new hard drive. Then you say it's a laptop, it's the same laptop, the drive failed so I put in a new drive. Finally, after talking to his supervisor he gives you a code. Then you're kinda of done except for the hours of updates to follow a clean install.

Do not buy asus (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097201)

I had two people bring me two different Asus laptops with video card display issues.

For the one in warranty, I let Asus deal with it. It was artifacting, so they replaced the display. It continued to artifact. It is now out of warranty.

The best tech guy in town says the video card despite being dedicated may be sodored.

Do not buy Asus.

Not worth it.

Re:Do not buy asus (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097685)

I have an Asus Zenbook and I love it. I also have an EeePC netbook and a Transformer tablet. I love them all.

Re:Several months? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097305)

If its anything like moving a windows license, you enter a bunch of numbers in to an automated system that then reads a bunch of numbers back to you and your done in 5 minutes.

Or, you know, you don't.

Dear Manufacturer:

Treat me, the consumer, as I wish to be treated or I'll just ditch your crap and go open source. Want me to buy your stuff? Win me back with safety and comfort, not this tracking and locking garbage.

Others will instead pirate because it's a lot easier than putting up with the bullshit of doing what they're told for an expensive thing they bought. Not much different than mobile phone carrier locking. I bought the shit, it's MINE to play with now. You don't want to allow that? Well then, I just won't BUY your stuff. Got it? Oh wait, you don't and haven't for years. Since you're still turning a profit, you think your method works. Yeah, well imagine how well it would work if you gave people the feeling of freedom and safety. Wait, sorry, I know you can't comprehend that.

Signed,

Pissed Consumer That Doesn't Buy Your Shit But Would, Only If.....

Caused me to delay buying new PC (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096405)

I was going to buy Office 2013 for my current machine, planning to move it to a new one soon. Then the no move dictate came out. So, I didnâ(TM)t buy 2013. Now, I may upgrade. Microsoft just screwing with their users again.

Re:Caused me to delay buying new PC (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#43099897)

You do not want Office 2013. It is blinding white and very very ugly. Unless you colaborate with large groups of people with salesforce and cloud apps used in the office 2013 appstore there is no reason.

I like the appstore and new free developer tools for it! But I view it like Vista/Windows 8 where it is unbaked but a new groundwork to work from there. Office 2015 will fix this I am sure with Windows 9.

If your hardware is old just do what XP loyalists and corps do. Put Windows 7 and Office 2010 on. It will be alive for a long long time until MS gets its shit together in the tablet world.

They tried... (2)

MLCT (1148749) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096431)

They tried to make MS office 2013 a rental rather than a purchase - and by doing that they make an office365 rental a psychologically easier next step for ordinary users.

If they had gotten away with it then all they would have done is driven people to libreoffice (and by people I mean average people, not corporate or SOHOs) - as an average person is not interested in home computing becoming a rental experience. MS need to accept that, even if they donâ(TM)t like it.

There is still the unresolved question of what happens if MS disappears in 15 years time and I want to install a copy of office 2013 that I bought. Does whoever buys the assets of MS just say "tough, get lost and buy something new", do they say "ok we will activate it, but pay us a $20 handling fee", or do they say "sure, no problem".

Clever play on words (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096459)

Fark you, Jevon.

The Consumer Wins (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096485)

Who would have guessed?

So now I might take advantage of the 2013 upgrade offer that came with my Office 2012 Student and Home pack I bought recently.

This makes me hate MS less. Still ticked off about when they bought Bungie though.

Re:The Consumer Wins (1)

gewalker (57809) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096695)

Hey, no reason to back off on Microsoft Hatred just because of this.. Feel free to hate them for the rest of eternity -- I plan too.

Of course, since I am going to heaven, I don't expect to see much of Bill Gates or Steve Balmer (or Steve Jobs, or Scott McNealy, or Larry Ellison, or Mark Zuckerberg etc.)

Re:The Consumer Wins (1)

kms_one (1272174) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096981)

This was going to be the nail in the coffin for future upgrading of office. Already at work I've been using 2010 for a few months and it just isn't as good as 2007. Going from 2003 to 2007 was a big learning curve with the new ribbon, but 2010 changed the behavior and keyboard shortcuts without adding any features that I've found.

OSS Alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43096711)

If only there was an OSS alternative to Office 2013 that didn't require paying anything and going through a shitty customer experience while holding for hours with MS Support...

Re:OSS Alternative? (1)

FuegoFuerte (247200) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097851)

You could have simply stopped at "If only there was an OSS alternative to Office 2013..."

There's really not. OpenOffice/LibreOffice is ok for some stuff, I used it for years because I didn't have the money to buy MSFT Office, but now that I have a few years experience using the real thing I find it very frustrating to go back (I have a couple Linux systems where I don't have much choice, and any time I have to use a spreadsheet I realize how far behind OOo really is).

"Bowing to unfriendly customer feedback"? (3, Interesting)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#43096871)

No. Microsoft doesn't give a rat's ass about negative customer feedback. The only reason they changed their tune on license transfer of Office 2013, is that the EU has fined them over half a billion, reminding MS that someone is watching. Someone with a big, scary stick.

Re:"Bowing to unfriendly customer feedback"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43098189)

No, I believe it's customer feedback. But not regular customers. Business customers with dozens to thousands of machines who told them "If every time we change hardware you make us re-pay for licenses we already purchased once, then we'll stick with the previous versions of MS Office forever or use OpenOffice."

They didn't listen to customers, they listened to customer's money. I guess in that sense you're right.

So (2)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year and a half ago | (#43097097)

That still doesn't make Office a good buy. I'd still rather download Libre Office and get going now for free.

Thank you, LibreOffice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097289)

Thank you, LibreOffice, for keeping Microsoft from playing sleazy games.

Microsoft doesn't write the Law...yet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097423)

Usual none story by illiterate tech 'journalists' about how Microsoft was going to magically do away with consumer rights enshrined in law.

Get this through your thick heads, you clods!
The First Sale doctrine CANNOT be set aside because the product is 'software', or comes with ANY wording of restriction of said rights in a EULA.

If a piece of software is sold OUTRIGHT, with no set date in the future when it may no longer be used, and NO ongoing payments that must be made in order to keep using the software, it is a PRODUCT not a SERVICE and will always be covered by First Sale doctrine.

The same applies to games that will be sold for the new consoles from MS and Sony, which is why the used-game market WILL continue. It doesn't matter what MS wants or says. It doesn't matter what Sony wants or says. It doesn't matter what every tech journalist is paid to dribble on their various co-opted web sites. If you buy the game outright, you may sell it on later.

Presence of micro-transactions does NOT change this. Presence of DLC does NOT change this. Use of services like 'Steam' or 'Origin' does NOT change this. Any wording in the EULA does NOT change this.

The strongest defender of the First Sale doctrine is NOT the USA, but the EU. The EU will 'spank' any company that attempts to deny users their consumer rights. Microsoft doesn't even try. Apple does, gets spanked, and loses every single time. Most recently when Apple stated they would NOT honour EU warranty law. One spanking later, and Apple does EXACTLY as it is told.

Thank god that bad as everything else has become, consumer rights are not treated as a political football.

PS make a note of every pundit that told you MS could deny you your rights, and never bother reading their dribble again. Do the same for the morons telling you that MS and Sony will prevent second hand game sales on the new consoles. Tech journalists this uninformed deserve no audience.

Customers are important!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43097893)

One would have hoped that a large company like Microsoft would do a little bit of research before they foisted their decisions on their customer base. This is clear evidence that they don't. Windows 8 is another example, where they actually turn a deaf ear to the results of the research that they do conduct.

Doesn't matter... (1)

aklinux (1318095) | about a year and a half ago | (#43099371)

I ain't gonna buy that bloated pig anyway!!

Libre Office! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43099891)

Libre Office!

Or Open Office.

Maybe I am a pretty basic needs user, but I don't see anything MS Office has that I can't get in Libre Office... except abuse.

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