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Cherry's New Keyboard Switches Emulate IBM Model M Feel

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the color-me-green-with-skepticism dept.

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crookedvulture writes "Slashdot has already covered the four main flavors of Cherry MX mechanical key switches: red, black, blue, and brown. Now, there's a green MX variant that emulates the feel of the buckling spring switches in old-school IBM Model M keyboards. The green switches combine tactile feedback, an audible click, and a stiff spring that requires 80g of actuation force. They're a stiffer version of the MX blues that more closely matches the characteristics of IBM's buckling spring design. Previously reserved for use with space bars, the green switches have now taken over an entire Cooler Master keyboard. And, unlike the old Model M and contemporary copycats, the new CM Storm Trigger has modern conveniences like an integrated USB hub, LED backlighting, and programmable macros." I've had my hopes raised and then dashed by some other keyboards whose makers promised Model M feel, so I'll believe it when I feel and hear it.

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Ok now how about an ergo version (5, Insightful)

dickens (31040) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109283)

I would dearly love buckling spring keys but still the "bend" of my MS "natural" that I have gotten so used to. I can still type faster on a model M - I have several, but the ergo keyboards are so much better for my beat up wrists.

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109429)

Well, an M15 is ergonomic BS, but for something actually reasonable in terms of price you'd have to wait for someone (cough) to make custom Model F a reality...

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109491)

I have my stash (10) of Model M's too. I even have a couple shorten models. Don't leave home without them.

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109629)

You should sell some of the short ("SpaceSaver") ones on eBay. People are paying insane money for them.

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109653)

And with those green cherry switches, you could have an ergonomic keyboard with the feel of an M. Just buy a Cherry G80-5000 and swap the switches. I'd love to see a kickstarter to build a smal run of new G80-5000, since the current going price of those on ebay is just plain unbelievable.

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (4, Interesting)

EvanED (569694) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109853)

Also "reverse tilt" please! That's being able to prop up the front of the keyboard. The only remotely normal keyboard (e.g. not one of those Kinesis things) that I know that has that built in is the MS Natural 4000. I've bought a few of those and they're good, but it'd be nice to have more options. The reverse tilt is basically a killer feature for me.

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109897)

Here you go [kinesis-ergo.com]

They even have two different styles of mechanical keys to choose between, Cherry Red or Cherry Brown.

Re:Ok now how about an ergo version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110005)

I thought I was alone in wishing for this. MS natural ergo. kb 4000 with buckling springs would be a dream. "If it works I'll order dozen"

As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still made (5, Informative)

maztuhblastah (745586) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109293)

As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still made. With the same switch design. By many of the same workers. On the same machines.

http://www.unicomp.com/ [unicomp.com]

Why bother "emulating" the buckling spring feel when you can get a brand new keyboard with real buckling springs. Oh, and it's made in the USA too!

(Also, they have keyboard layouts that offer the Ctrl key in the correct location. 'cause it's about damn time...)

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (3, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109323)

1000 fake modpoints to you sir. You win an internet.

Or just buy a used model M. All the ones ever made likely still work. Some of them might be in the dump but even those likely still work.

Typed on a keyboard born on 1990-07-17.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109469)

the best thing about the old keyboards for gamers.... no stupid windows or context menu keys to accidentally hit and mess things up during a firefight.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110023)

And the worst thing is the ghosting, which doesn't exist in modern gaming keyboards.

Also, most modern gaming keyboards have a way to toggle the Windows key. Even my cheap $30 Logitech G105 gaming keyboard does. This way you don't lose the functionality when you want it and you don't accidentally hit it when you don't want.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

anagama (611277) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109617)

Ha. Gotcha beat: 06Nov1989

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109869)

12 Feb 1988, sonny.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109673)

Indeed, my current keyboard is dated from '85. They really do just never wear out, although skins on the esc and F12 keys seem to have gone AWOL...

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109707)

I have two F8s and no F7 because of that.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109975)

I beg to differ, I replaced my model M recently because the WASD keys were worn enough to have holes through their surface. I doubt that the sidewinder with cherry mx blues will last as long, but its not a bad feel, and unlike any of the new Model M's it has back lighting which is a feature that I also wanted.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110089)

You should have just bought replacement keycaps and learned to type.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

nebular (76369) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109743)

I have a hell of a time finding Model M keyboards. The dump is not an option, one something hits their dumpsters they are not legally allowed to let anyone have it back, or even touch it. Liability stuff. Electronic waste is a bit better, but since I've started speaking with them, they haven't shown up. Computer junk shops don't exist in my area anymore, they've either folded, or got rid of the old and focused on new systems and repair. On ebay they regularly end up going for $50-$100 and shipping for me bumps that up ~$50. Craigslist also usually has them going for $50-$100 (Seems they do their research before posting) and even if I could justify that price on a keyboard, they're gone pretty quickly.

Very frustrating. My only Model M I have right now is undergoing a steampunk conversion. I would love to have one for day to day use.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109811)

Dumpster diving is common even if illegal.

Honestly spending $50 to $100 is totally worth it. These days most Model Ms are not out in the wild to be found. I got most of mine when I was in University and they were giving them away.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (3, Interesting)

Khyber (864651) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110009)

"I have a hell of a time finding Model M keyboards. "

Goodwill is where I've found all of mine.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109373)

I'm typing on one of these now. Great keyboards. Here's a conversation I've had about a million times:

Me: "I'm working on that now for you."
Caller: "Oh, I know. I can hear you typing."

Re: As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109385)

I bought one of those Unicomp keyboards and I was very disappointed with the build quality. It looks like they just made a cheap plastic housing for the keyboard but there was none of the heft of an original IBM model M.

Re: As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still (2)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109813)

This evangelized "IBM Model M" keyboard is something like "Gibson Les Paul Custom 1968" guitar for typists and developers.. huh?

Re: As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still (4, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110003)

Its a keyboard you can beat a man to death with, and still be perfectly usable as a keyboard.

Re: As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still (1)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109983)

The innards are identical (ok, except for the mcu since I guess they had to swap that out to get usb support). It's just less heavy because they reduced the size of the case and removed some excess material.

The only dodgy unicomp thing is the one with the built in pointing stick. It's a first or second gen trackpoint, or a clone, and really not very useful. And the mouse buttons are simple contact foil things, so they wear out after 2-3 years and you can't replace them without taking the keyboard completely apart, which is approximately impossible. I'd kill for one of them with a real trackpoint IV and proper switches for the mouse buttons...

Re: As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still (2)

draconx (1643235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110083)

I bought one of those Unicomp keyboards and I was very disappointed with the build quality. It looks like they just made a cheap plastic housing for the keyboard but there was none of the heft of an original IBM model M.

I have a Unicomp SpaceSaver 104 and a Customizer 104. I would not buy the Customizer again; it has all of the bulk of the classic Model M without the same build quality. On the other hand, I love the SpaceSaver -- while it's likely not as effective for self-defense as the classic Model M is, I love typing on this as much as my ~30yr old IBM keyboard (which still works great!), and it uses less desk space, and is natively USB. It also doesn't feel as flimsy as the Customizer does, probably simply due to there being less plastic overall.

I also use a Das, which I don't like typing on as much as the SpaceSaver but it is extremely well built. Maybe I'll replace all the key switches in it with these green ones if they're more like buckling springs!

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (2)

Elbereth (58257) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109411)

I was actually pleasantly surprised by their prices. $79 really isn't all that bad. I remember these keyboards costing more than that, back in the 1980s, and inflation means that this is actually a huge bargain. Then again, everything but the Commodore 64 was overpriced as hell, back in those days.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109613)

I remember these keyboards costing more than that, back in the 1980s, and inflation means that this is actually a huge bargain.

It could mean that, or it could mean that the IBM logo sticker cost you eighty bucks.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109435)

The build quality of the Unicomp keyboards leaves a lot to be desired. They need to improve their moulding techniques.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (4, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109457)

Worst. Site. Ever.

I can't even see what the thing looks like from those thumbnails, and nowhere is there an explanation as to what "Classic 104" is vs "Ultra 104" and the like.

Thanks, I'll stick with my Das Keyboard.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109939)

Second that! I LOVE my Das Keyboard.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

soupforare (542403) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109485)

They're rather good but not the same as a vintage M, even the lexmark ones. The caps aren't finished as nice, the plastic feels cheaper and, the ones I've tried anyway, have a lighter touch.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (2)

Zobeid (314469) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109539)

If you RTFA, it does mention the Unicomps and give a reason for preferring the CM Storm Trigger. To wit: "Because, let's be honest: the Model M is not a pretty keyboard, and its Unicomp successors also won't be winning any beauty pageants. None of those keyboards have the same array of gamer-friendly features, like macro keys, as Cooler Master's offering, either."

I have a recent Model M here (in the black, Mac-optimized version) and I like it a lot. I'm no die-hard gamer, don't need macros, and I don't enter my keyboard in beauty pageants. It would be nice if they could build a USB hub into them, though.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109559)

The Unicomp keyboards are terrible. Aside from the spring action which is fantastic, they're rather sloppily put together. I had a 104-key die completely within 6 weeks, they thankfully replaced it. I believe the USB controller had come loose in some fashion. Haven't had any issues (2 years) with the replacement... but I'm not using it as my primary keyboard as planned.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (2)

Poisonous Drool (526798) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109601)

I purchased a Unicomp "Linux" keyboard. I stopped using it after a few months. It's PS2 not USB and I had roll-over issues.

I replaced it with the Newegg Rosewill model. I'm happy with it but I'd like back-lighting in my next "Model M clone".

Does anyone know of a Bluetooth Model M clone?

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109649)

Maybe you should learn to type and then you would not need backlighting. There are usb to bluetooth solutions they are not cheap.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109605)

The only thing against this is that Unicomp seems to try it's best to make the keyboard look as ugly and cheap as possible.
They are quite successful at it.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109647)

The customizer has pretty serious rollover issues, IMO. But otherwise, they're very nice keyboards.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109861)

Or hell if you want a classic Model M just go to your local mom & pop PC shop, we usually have a couple stashed and are pretty reasonable about the prices, especially if you BS with us a little while because we love having someone that can talk shop. I got a couple guys that work maintenance in all the local government and small office buildings and they are under strict orders to make sure any "clicky clack" keyboards end up coming my way. Both myself and my boys are all using classic clicky clacks, they are really great for shooters and you just can't beat the feel, they have good throw and reaction time, I swear by my clicky clack.

Re:As opposed to actual Model Ms which are still m (1)

darth_borehd (644166) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109927)

These look cool to me. I miss mechanical keyboards.

So... (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109321)

We're trying to emulate keyboards from the 80s now?

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109349)

Yes, because they are the best ever made.

Things that are good people still want. I also have a cast iron pan in my kitchen, am I emulating the second century BC or just using a good tool?

Re:So... (5, Informative)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109503)

I also have a cast iron pan in my kitchen, am I emulating the second century BC or just using a good tool?

No, you're not, unless you're Chinese. Only the Chinese had cast iron in the second century BCE.

Re:So... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109549)

So maybe I am white but emulating a second century BC chinese person?

BCE makes me a sad Atheist.

Re:So... (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109699)

BCE makes me a sad Atheist.

It's a simple matter of historical accuracy. BCE/CE makes perfect sense, because Dionysius Exiguus miscounted. We have 2013 CE now, and the most likely AD date seems to be 2020. I would feel stupid if someone forced me to say "Christ was born five/six/seven [choose according to your preferences] years Before Christ". Wouldn't you?

Re:So... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109839)

Still sounds wrong.

Besides that seems like an even crappier way to start a calendar. Because some old idiot screwed up.

We should just switch to 64bit unix time.

Re:So... (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110037)

Still sounds wrong.

Why?

Besides that seems like an even crappier way to start a calendar. Because some old idiot screwed up.

As far as I can tell, most calendars started counting from either a nonsensical or otherwise meaningless date. How does that differentiate them from the Western calendar?

Re:So... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110115)

Because it seems wrong. BCE sounds like tacking an E on keep some idiot happy.

Unix time fits that while being a given time. Using some date that is a mistake without admitting it seems wrong.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110031)

I would feel stupid if someone forced me to say "Christ was born five/six/seven [choose according to your preferences] years Before Christ". Wouldn't you?

No, you dumb cunt. The BC/AD divide marks a particular point in time, not the birth of Jesus. If you think etymology always determines meaning then you understand so little about linguistics that you probably shouldn't be expressing an opinion.

Re:So... (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109535)

but why not just get the original? All that's going on here is cooler master is trying to emulate IBM's model M, which btw is still available. I've typed on the M before, and while it's not bad and has a good feel, I'll take the technology of my g19 over that any day. In fact, I almost feel like modern mechanical keyboards are being dumbed down in features and raised in price. I can't discern why besides marketing / hype.

Re:So... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109609)

I have no idea. I only have original Model Ms.

Is that contraption even mechanical?

Re:So... (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109713)

Logitech G19? As far as membrane keyboards go, that's one of the worst I've tried, on par with sub-20 buck bargain bin crap.

There're plenty of mechanical keyboards with modern features (the extra screen that I think the G19 has is a gimmick, and software support never got far). The price is higher because Cherry MX switches are inevitably more expensive because they're more complex than a simple scissor switch and membrane, plus the premium that can be charged for a better keyboard.

Besides, using Cherry MX switches means it's trivial to experiment with different types of switches, even combining several of them on one keyboard, plus easily available (and replaceable) aftermarket keycaps for common layouts.

Re:So... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109571)

But a Teflon-coated pan, unlike cast iron, can be irreparably destroyed by using a metal fork to flip over your pancakes. And as everyone knows, "ending is better than mending", and all that.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109719)

Yes, it's the best keyboard ever, but also the loudest. If you try to use this in the same office as other people, they might hit you with your cast iron pan from your kitchen...

Re:So... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109775)

I do use it in an office with other people.
So far no one has hit me.

Everyone has quirks this is mine. I move capslock to where it belongs. Makes Crtl easier to get too.

Re:So... (4, Interesting)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109757)

So true, 8" cast iron skillet belonged to my grandmother, it really shows no signs of wear that a good wire brushing of the outside surface won't fix. Probably good for a couple hundred years of use, easily. No stickier than your average 'no-stick' thing that even if you pay $100 bucks for it will last 2 years tops.

Older ain't better, but it ain't worse either.

Re:So... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109911)

I have some enameled pans that are pretty no stick as well. Better suited to some tasks since cast stays hot once its hot and hates to change temp. I guess I could try carbon steel as well.

Re:So... (0)

period3 (94751) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110025)

I can't stand the Model M. The noise drives me nuts for one, and I find them very tiring to type on. The keys take more force to depress, and the travel seems much further than other keyboards. The numeric keypad is a huge waste of space on my desk (does anyone except accountants use these?), and I actually have to use my mouse to adjust volume.

"Best ever made" is highly subjective. I'll stick to my $50 thinkpad keyboard, which even comes with a trackpoint so I don't even need to lift my hands to mouse.

Re:So... (1)

teh dave (1618221) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110109)

Yes, because they are the best ever made.

IYHO.

Requiring more actuation force than necessary is a bad thing, not a good thing. 80g of actuation force is very high. The less force required, the less strain on your hands.

If you use a noisy keyboard in an office environment, it will likely annoy those around you. It is also very much debatable if the aural feedback is at all useful.

Re:So... (0)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109479)

Hey, I don't get it either. Personally, I think those old keyboards are shit and not used any more for a reason. But some people like 'em, so...

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109611)

They are not used any more because people can get away with a 10$ keyboard rather than a 100$ one. I am a delighted owner of a Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2 which cost me 300$. I have never looked back and I have sworn never to use a cheap-ass keyboard never again.

If you spend a huge amount of time using a keyboard getting a proper one is going to amaze you. And it is not instant - give it 5 hours and you will be in love.

copy vs original (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109339)

Why get an overpriced copy when you can get a real Model M (even a Lexmark model) at a fraction of the cost of these wannabes?

Also, grams are a unit of mass, not force.

Re:copy vs original (4, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109371)

You shut your whore mouth. Buy one made by IBM and show some self respect.

Re:copy vs original (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109425)

I got 7 Model Ms: 2 from 1987, and 2 trackpoint Model Ms.
come at me bro

Re:copy vs original (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109569)

Holy shit, someone on ebay wants $275 for a NIB Model M13 trackpoint. I have one that I bought years ago for like $20.

(Gave up on the Model M religion and am now perfectly happy with Crapple keyboards.)

Re:copy vs original (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109691)

I will give you $20 for it if you want.

You do know you can use a Model M with a mac right?

Re:copy vs original (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109827)

And the Model M is the ultimate hipster keyboard.

Re:copy vs original (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109867)

Hipsters are 20 year old kids, they likely don't even know how to type or what a command line is.

Get off my lawn, I have clouds to shout at.

Re:copy vs original (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109901)

Yeah, but it would probably suck without the vendor/meta/command key, and who knows if the media keys would work. Half the time, I'm using the laptop away from the desk anyway.

Re:copy vs original (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109931)

So map Ctrl to caps lock like a big boy and use the unused Crtl for your other key.

What media keys are you talking about? There are no media keys on a damn Model M.

Re:copy vs original (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110011)

Crapple keyboard from model M?
Do you even type?

Backlit keyboard? (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109389)

Why would a keyboard need lights?

Who looks at them? You look at the monitor and type on the keyboard.

Re:Backlit keyboard? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109467)

Most people I know cannot touch type.

Not even my brilliant coworkers who could run laps around me with technical knowledge can touch type. I've only met a couple who can. I work at a software company.

Re:Backlit keyboard? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109567)

How do they write code/scripts?
How long does that take?

I don't touch type properly but I don't look to type. I never could get the hang of using my pinkies.

Re:Backlit keyboard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109865)

We had a guy like that and we made him take typing lessons. Serious productivity drain.

Re:Backlit keyboard? (1)

ultrasawblade (2105922) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109477)

I run ledd on my Linux box and have it blink whenever I need to compile something, you insensitive clod!

Re:Backlit keyboard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109497)

Gamers, when you are playing in a dark room

Re:Backlit keyboard? (2)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#43110067)

And occasionally need to re-home your fingers after taking them off the keyboard. I find a quick glance down more effective than feeling around for the little home-row bumps.

I own a Cherry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109423)

I have this week took ownership of a Cherry G80 and I love it, my model M gave up the ghost after 20+ years service and it feel's mostly the same.

I would seriously recommend this keyboard to anyone.

Uhm.. Not that new. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109433)

The greens have been around for a while, just rare. (Like Clears)
And only rare because most keyboard makers didn't think they would make marketable products.

I'm typing on a keyboard with blacks and let me tell you "stiff" cherry switches are not to be taken lightly.
They're for manly men who want to exercise their fingers! A month with a proper mechanical keyboard will leave you punching holes in your old rubber dome mush bucket "keyboard"!

PS - If you have no idea what I'm talking about here - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+the+difference+between+different+color+cherry+mx+switches%3F

MX Greens are not new (1, Insightful)

Coopjust (872796) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109449)

MX Greens have been used with MX Blue switches for a while. Usually the only green switch on the keyboard is the spacebar, it's meant to be a stronger (heavier, requiring more actuation force) version of the blue for that purpose.

The use of MX Greens for an entire keyboard is new though.

As others indicated, you can buy a Unicomp if you want a "real Model M" anyways. The click is not as tactile and the feel from the tactility is different between buckling springs and MX switches (a click leaf is different from the THWACK of a buckling spring buckling and hitting the wall). If you want a heavier actuation cherry switch with a lighter click, get an MX. If you want a Model M-like keyboard, get a Model M or Unicomp Customizer...

Re:MX Greens are not new (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109639)

So, we're just going straight from headline to comments now, are we? From TFS " Previously reserved for use with space bars, the green switches have now taken over an entire Cooler Master keyboard."

Never Mind the Model M.... (4, Interesting)

Grumpinuts (1272216) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109471)

.......This was the best keyboard they ever made... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IBM-3279.jpg [wikimedia.org] One of the first products I ever worked on, over 30 years ago.

Re:Never Mind the Model M.... (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109671)

. . . and that keyboard was made out of metal! If you look at the picture closely, you will see small black button underneath the space bar in the middle. That opened up a flap with a flip book of secret decoder instructions for the keyboard . . .

Re:Never Mind the Model M.... (3, Informative)

Misagon (1135) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109895)

I would love to try one of these beam-spring keyboards sometime. I have heard that they are awesome.

Apparently, the beam-spring was designed to emulate the feel of the IBM Selectric typewriter.
... and the buckling spring switches in the Model M were designed to be a lower-cost version that achieved the same feel, except that they weren't as good.
... and the clicky Cherry MX switches were made to emulate the feel of the buckling springs, except that they weren't as good.
...

Why buy a copycat? (3, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109473)

Why purchase an imitator when you can buy the original âoeModel Mâ. We have produced the buckling spring âoeClickâ keyboard for IBM and thousands of discriminating users worldwide for 15 yearsâ¦. Join the many that have made the switch to a much more accurate data entry alternative.

http://www.pckeyboard.com/ [pckeyboard.com]

IBM originally contracted out their keyboards to Lexmark and, when the contract ran out, Lexmark employees bought the rights and formed Unicomp.

Re:Why buy a copycat? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109749)

IBM did not contract them out until 1991.

The switch is not new... (5, Informative)

Leslie43 (1592315) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109489)

It's been used in spacebars on Cherry Mx Blue keyboards for a while, just not an entire keyboard.

This is a Cherry Mx Blue switch with a stiffer spring, nothing more. Enthusiasts have been making keyboards like this for a while now (which is where Cooler Master got the idea), and it most definitely does not replicate a model M feel or sound.

If you want a Model M, buy a Model M or a Unicomp.

Or the original .. (1)

satsuke (263225) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109533)

as others likely know, the model M was virtually indestructible.

I have one from my old PS/2 model 50 that still gets 8+ hours a day of pounding.

Re:Or the original .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110079)

You pound you keyboard 8 hours a day?

Your dick must get real sore!

Copycat (1)

hsmyers (142611) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109545)

About that snide remark concerning 'copycat'---could be wrong (often am) but Northgate made just such a keyboard before Cherry was trying to copy the IBM feel. So you're saying that two copies make a keyboard?

These have existed for a long time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109631)

The only new thing here is the keyboard itself. Which makes this just another slashvertisement.

ThinkPad Wireless Keyboard with TrackPoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109717)

Get this when it is released, and turn any computer into a ThinkPad, even your HTPC!

And for the sake of your cubemate / roommate, stop the fetish about Model M already.

If I could have anything (keyboard related) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109729)

It would be a mechanical ergo keyboard like the M$ Natural 4000.

Not at all the same as MX Greens... (4, Informative)

Misagon (1135) | about a year and a half ago | (#43109787)

Marketing on Slashdot again, huh... *sigh*

The Cherry MX Green [deskthority.net] does not feel like a buckling spring from the Model F or Model M keyboards, really.
While it is a stiff clicky switch, it is far less tactile, and the tactile point is different.
The Buckling Spring [deskthority.net] on a IBM Model M or Model F has a slow progression in resistance followed by a sharp drop at the actuation point at around 2/3 - 3/4 way down the stroke.
The Cherry MX Blue and Green have a small bump at the actuation point, which is higher up, at about 1/2-way down the stroke.

As other posters have already written, the MX Green is just like a MX Blue [deskthority.net] with a stiffer spring. It was made to be used for the Space Bar on a keyboard that is otherwise populated with MX Blue.
Compared to the Blue, with the Green's stiffer spring you tend to press harder on it and that diminishes the feel of the tactile bump somewhat.
The Green has always been used as the space bar switch on Cherry's own keyboards with Blue switches. The only new thing is that it is used on a whole keyboard.
Having a stiffer switch on the space bar is common. Ordinary rubber dome keyboards often come with coiled springs under the space bar to make it stiffer.

If you want a Buckling Spring keyboard, you could buy a new Model M from Unicomp [pckeyboard.com] . They are built using the same machines and tooling that the old IBM keyboards were. They even cost less than many gaming keyboards with Cherry MX switches.

BTW. This post was typed on a Dolch keyboard (Cherry G80-1813HFX) with Cherry MX Blue switches, except for the Green switch on the space bar.

What's the obsession? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109919)

Why do you want "The Model M Buckling Spring Feel And Sound"? What gives?

Re:What's the obsession? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110071)

I know that this may come as a shock to you, but for the Model M 'obsessive', we use our keyboards as the primary input device, not a mouse.

No place in the office now. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43109943)

Why is this such a big deal. Yes, I love the clicky keyboards from the past eras, when keyboards were meant to last. My favorite were the ones on the original 512k macs. You could just pound away on them. I liked the ones on the IBM 3151's 286es and 8088's. The Apple Extended keyboard II was nice too. I am pounding out this posting on a Matias Tactile Pro keyboard. I LOVE it.

Sadly though, these were great when people had offices. Now, their time has passed. Iif you have a big office and don't mind shelling out 100$ or so... knock your self out. Alas, I would hope for an improvement on these keyswitches. Many people work in cubicles or shared work places. These noisy keyboards just don't belong in offices where lots of people work. They are distracting as hell and are worse than the droning sounds of fans and the like. .02

Re:No place in the office now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43110053)

This.

Don't start whacking away at a Model M next to MY cubicle unless you want it shoved up your ass.

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