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Ask Slashdot: Where to Host Many Small, Related Projects?

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the you-might-say-a-host-of-them dept.

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MellowTigger writes "I work at a non-profit organization. I am looking for a site where we can register an account under our group's name, then spawn multiple projects to solicit programmer help for our organization. The current projects that we have in mind are small and probably not of interest to the wider world, although one very large project is possible. I need a site that emphasizes our non-profit as the benefactor rather than the wider world, since most projects are so specific that wider applicability seems slim. We would need help with various technologies including at least Powershell and SQL. At the moment, my available options emphasize individual projects of public interest, so we would have to spawn multiple independent projects, seeming to spam the host with 'pointless' minor tasks. We already have technical people seeking to donate time. We just need a way to coordinate skill matching, document sharing, and code submission out on the web. What do you suggest?"

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Are you serious (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43125897)

Github. Sourceforge. Wow that was hard.

Re:Are you serious (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43125933)

Wow, could you possibly be more of a fucking asshole? Go fuck yourself.

Re:Are you serious (2)

beck24 (1772278) | about a year and a half ago | (#43125957)

Not sure why he's asshole, OP's question pretty much summarizes to "Somebody say github"

Re:Are you serious (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127681)

I'm not sure about that. I haven't seen any projects that were related on GitHub. There are forks and such but I haven't seen one "site" that says here's our twenty different projects and how they fit in to the bigger solution. GitHub would be a great place for the individual project repos to live though.

I'd suggest assuming your non-profit has a website already put it there. Say in your volunteers wanted section just have a "Do you know how to program? Would you like to work on a project that will help us? Check out our GitHub projects (and a link to a sub page with technical descriptions of what is needed). The assumption that volunteers are only (or could only) be unskilled place fillers rather than meeting technical or business needs is pretty wide spead in non-profits. It would be nice to see one post their skilled needs as well rather than trying to recruit paid employees and then in most cases offering pitifully low salaries. I'll volunteer my time but I still have a quality of life I want as a skilled person. Free coding projects for say Red Cross would be a great way to keep a six figure salary and still do something interesting on my volunteer time rather than canvasing for money or picking up trash.

Re:Are you serious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43128465)

Here's an unicorn [github.com] .

Re:Are you serious (1)

SourceFrog (627014) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127693)

The problem is everyone's an asshole these days, that's why we can no longer tell when someone's being an asshole - it's the new normal.

Re:Are you serious (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126023)

Yes he could. He could be like you for instance.

Re:Are you serious (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126085)

yes [slashdot.org]

Next up on ask slashdot:

I've grown tired of the rolling meadow background on my Xp desktop. Does slashdot have any advice on how I might change it? And what should I change it to?

Re:Are you serious (4, Funny)

Stalinbulldog (925149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126553)

I can answer this one! Yes, the only way to change your desktop background is to install linux over windows xp.

Re:Are you serious (1)

Common Joe (2807741) | about a year and a half ago | (#43136011)

I went Windows 8. Now I have no background at all. Problem solved!

Re:Are you serious (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about a year and a half ago | (#43136453)

Your screen has a background consisting of a diffuser element, several lamps (probably cold-cathode, though there are other possibilities), and an opaque backing sheet incorporating the structural support and protection for your screen.

You could get rid of all of those, rendering your screen transparent except for the switched-on pixels. The screen would then be almost completely fucking useless except for posing in front of in shit movies.

Whether that would be an improvement on the original problem of having a Windows 8 PC is not at issue ; how big an improvement it would be is debatable.

Re:Are you serious (0)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126105)

Wow, could you possibly be more of a fucking asshole? Go fuck yourself.

You seem to have answered you own question.
Could he be more into having anal intercourse? Why yes, one way would be if he were able to penetrate his own sphincter.
Exactly why you jump to that somewhat far-fetched method instead of somewhat more conventional means (i.e. utilizing a partner) remains a mystery.
Fact remains that the method you yourself provide would be a valid, though somewhat unplausible, answer to the stated question.

Re:Are you serious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126153)

Wow, could you possibly be more of a fucking asshole? Go fuck yourself.

Look man, I was just trying to help.

Re:Are you serious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126169)

No he's right. This is ridiculous. Ask Slashdots just keep getting dumber and dumber. How many in the last year have been answered by the first page of Google results. Have geeks really become that lazy?

Github, Google Code, SourceForge, in that order.

Re:Are you serious (1)

budgenator (254554) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127729)

No, the geeks aren't that lazy, just the posers. I mean after all he said " We would need help with various technologies including at least Powershell and SQL.", what's nerdy about that, what he needs is some script-kiddies.

Re:Are you serious (1)

rioki (1328185) | about a year and a half ago | (#43137115)

I like how the poster is super vague. What custom software does a non-profit need, that not written like 100 times. The lack of knowledge about github simply shows... not very technical and about to reinvent the wheel.

Re:Are you serious (-1, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126181)

Nope, you showed him that there is a whole higher level of asshole to be achieved.

Re:Are you serious (0)

rickb928 (945187) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127859)

Wow, could you be more of what you're complaining about?

Re:Are you serious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126347)

If those don't work, your needs are too specific. Get a VPS.

Re:Are you serious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126705)

No one suffers from you being a jerk except yourself. You contributed nothing positive, but manufactured some negativity. Why?

Re:Are you serious (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126865)

If these are all internal, I would recommend their own server with a directory of git repositories, one for each project.

Simple, effective, no need to rely on a third party. Also probably far cheaper, since with a lot of projects Github can be expensive. And the server can just be be some old machine with Linux on it.

That's what I do for my own projects. It should scale just fine. In fact Github is evidence that it does.

Re:Are you serious (1)

rioki (1328185) | about a year and a half ago | (#43137137)

Pro Tip: gitosis or gitolite

You could always run indefero (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43125949)

I run it for my own personal projects, and it works good for me. Its not incredibly fancy but it does work for what its designed to do, which is assign people to projects, tracks commits, and lets you see diffs, etc. I don't know if you need some of the bells and whistles these other sites offer or not. It does require setup, and running your own server/instance/whatever to have it on. The only hiccup I've ever ran into (which was due to how git works) was when someone committed a 1.5gb psd file to a repo and we ran out of memory on the small instance indefero was running on.

http://www.indefero.net/

Story Pending Deletion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43125971)

This entire story is pending deletion due to violation of Dice Holdings, Inc. community standards.

You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (-1, Flamebait)

ReallyEvilCanine (991886) | about a year and a half ago | (#43125989)

"I am looking for a site where we can register an account under our group's name, then spawn multiple projects to solicit programmer help for our organization." I want you to choke on a big bag of dicks. Not just any random dicks but the really cheezy, rotting ones you have to hear about in HealthEd classes when they tell you why you have to wash your nutsack.

Re:You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126135)

MellowTigger, don't be discouraged when you encounter people such as this parent. Getting a non-profit up and running is no small task, and if yours is for a good cause, there will be people willing to donate their time to help you out. My recommendation is to find people that you can connect with in-person, and get them personally invested in your cause. Good luck.

Re:You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126291)

Getting a non-profit up and running is no small task

I'd have to disagree. Nonprofit status is one form. It can be done in under an hour. How do I know this: I do it for free every year for a limited time civic event. Oh, and never forget to be diligent, the organization with a good cause may be non-profit, but that does not mean it doesn't make piles of cash for the people who work for it. Just go look at the mega-churches for proof of that.

Being a non-profit does not mean it is not run by slimy greedy people that are looking for free labor.

Re:You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43127661)

Oh, and never forget to be diligent, the organization with a good cause may be non-profit, but that does not mean it doesn't make piles of cash for the people who work for it.[...] Being a non-profit does not mean it is not run by slimy greedy people that are looking for free labor.

Amen. The lords and masters for whom I have been indirectly employed for some years have, amusingly, just turned themselves into a 'non-profit', massively reducing the amount they are willing to pay for IT services. They still get the same (tax-derived) funding, though - they just want to spend more on other stuff. We're talking a bunch of champagne-swilling central-London suit-wearing types here. This sort of thing really gives 'charity' a bad name; if that lot asked me to code something for free I would send them a copy of the O'Reilly book and suggest that they put down their iPhones and learn to do something useful for the astronomical quantities of taxpayer money in which they roll daily.

Since this happened I've been rethinking my charitable giving and researching charities more carefully. The UK manifestly decided to grant non-profit status to a group who get so much tax money that they could buy three software companies with the money set aside for lunchtime cappucinos if they felt like it. Heck, the UK govt permitted Scientology to get away with non-profit status (blamed Australia when they were found out, though).

Nothing against the OP - it may be that their cause is both worthy and extremely short of cash - but previous AC, you make an excellent point. Caveat factor.

Re:You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126147)

I don't know how this got marked as insightful.

He wants something like github or google code. He in no way said "send unsolicited email looking for programers" he said "solict programmer help". He says they have technical people willing to donate time, so I assume he just wants a place to direct people who express interested in helping.

His use of the phrase "spam the host" is not in the email spam sense. I thought it was a dumb sentence to even include. He sees places giving away services if you're willing to keep your code open and available since that helps the greater world, and he can't see how his niche is useful to anyone else so he sees their resource usage or whatever as drain on the provider for no gain to the provider. But thats not really how you should make choices for your organization. He should decide if they are comfortable working in public, or not, and if they have any special licensing needs or other restrictions which would prohibit them from using a free service.

Just a s FYI - from google

solicit /slisit/Verb
1.Ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.
2.Ask (someone) for something: "he solicited the critic's opinion".

Re:You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (1)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about a year and a half ago | (#43129707)

I think the term "spam the host" was pretty well chosen, actually.

He's identified a big problem in current infrastructure, which has him forked. Projects are standalone, and he wants to start multiple projects. Starting multiple projects will look like spamming to a great many people, but A) he doesn't want to spam; and B) he doesn't want to be seen to spam.

He wants something that doesn't seem to exist at the moment, and many of the denizens of /. seem to prefer to insult him for not just believing that the (inadequate) current structure is adequate. A decade ago, Slashdotters would have been saying "Jeez, why didn't we think of this before?" and someone would by now have forked the source for their favourite version control system and built in the ability to group independent software projects together. Within a couple of weeks, it would be running on an experimental server (a retired desktop PC salvaged from the geography department) on a university network, and someone else would be researching the possibility of setting up a permanent server running on a "freemium" model.

But no, now everyone just insults him instead. >sigh< Why do I even come here these days...?

Re:You're a spammer and want free tech supp?^ (1)

rioki (1328185) | about a year and a half ago | (#43137277)

The reason why most people here are rolling their eyes (or insulting) is because it is already solved. The problem is well understood; a few terms to feed to google: git, git-submodule, github, github organisation, gitosis, gitweb, mercurial

Suggestion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43125995)

Try setting up a project at GNAA.org. They seem like a good match for you.

GitHub (4, Informative)

Anml4ixoye (264762) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126025)

If you are making the repositories public, GitHub is the way to go. You only have to pay if the repositories are private. It gives you the ability for people to send pull requests for changes (which you can choose to accept), issue tracking, etc. The pull request system is really nice, because you ultimately have control of what gets pulled into your project, but anyone can pull it down. It's pretty much the standard hosting, and works across all platforms.

Re:GitHub (1)

Eric89GXL (1294136) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126203)

GitHub has been great for us. The code management system makes collaboration and code control very intuitive. They have discounted packages for academic use, where the "micro" package (at a minimum) has 5 private repos free of charge. You could check to see if they have something similar for nonprofits generally.

Re:GitHub (4, Informative)

emddudley (1328951) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127467)

You only have to pay if the repositories are private.

GitHub offers free bronze plans (10 private repositories) for nonprofits [github.com] .

Re:GitHub (1)

rioki (1328185) | about a year and a half ago | (#43137315)

But even the 25USD/month is totally reasonable. I find github's pricing for private repositories totally reasonable.

BitBucket? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126029)

n/t

Host it yourself (2)

trinaryai (949870) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126037)

Set up a slackware server (can even be on high-end workstation class hardware as long as you have a UPS powering it) running SVN Server and apache. There are plenty of good browser based CMS packages available. I like Drupal + Storm, but that's just me. If SQL Server is an absolute requirement, rather than MySQL, set up each developer's workstation with SQL Server Express. TortoiseSVN is a great Windows SVN client that may be easier to set up than git. Using github gives you the advantage of a decentralized repository, but doesn't come with any kind of project management. DynDNS will allow you to register your own box by name without having to pay for a static public IP address and public nameserver. Remember, though, that you don't necessarily have to host your project management and your code repository in the same place. That seems like where you're getting yourself confused.

What is the question, really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126211)

Is it something that cannot be solved by, say, setting up a virtual box at amazon? Maybe the free tier?

Bitbucket (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126243)

Like github, but it also allows you to host private repositories on the free account.

soliciting programmer support - a pipe dream? (3, Insightful)

jtara (133429) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126313)

I hope that the OP doesn't expect programmers to flock to support his project, just because it is present on a social coding site.

They won't. Probably not a single one. Even if he uses the most popular host providing such services, GitHub.

For the most part, there is no contribution whatsoever, unless the contributor has some stake. The most successful GitHub projects are those that have some kind of corporate sponsorship, and you have several big companies contributing one or more full-time employees to the project.

  Beyond that, you might get some contribution to the project if a lot of people are using it, and some of them modify it to suit their own needs, and either they altruisticlly contribute their modifications back(not common), or (more commonly) by contributing back they absolve themselves of having to maintain their own separate fork.

For projects with, say, 100-200 watchers (which probably means 10X that many users), it's typical to get maybe a pull request or two per year.

So, hopefully the OP has some volunteers lined-up already, or knows where to find them. They aren't going to appear out of nowhere.

I think it would be silly to set-up your own server for this. GitHub is the goto place today. It has a good-enough Issues system that is well integrated with code management, and makes it easy to publish documentation.

Re:soliciting programmer support - a pipe dream? (1)

jgrahn (181062) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126755)

I hope that the OP doesn't expect programmers to flock to support his project, just because it is present on a social coding site.

Indeed. It doesn't sound promising based on his posting. I get the impression that he expects to be able to sit back and manage ("coordinate skill set matching"?) flocking programmers. And there's this air of secretiveness -- what NPO are we talking about, and what are the projects? And there's the "emphasizes our non-profit as the benefactor" part which also is a major turn-off. Who ever heard of volunteer programmers working on something they can't use themselves? There's no itch to scratch.

I think it would be silly to set-up your own server for this. GitHub is the goto place today. It has a good-enough Issues system that is well integrated with code management, and makes it easy to publish documentation.

To me, it's best feature is it stays out of your way.

Re:soliciting programmer support - a pipe dream? (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127755)

Well if they are small enough projects (say the typical LOB crap that 90% of devs work on for companies) they might get knocked off by someone that likes the charity AND has another reason. I agree with this general thread people contribute because they have a need for the project generally. If it is useful enough a corporate entity might start using it in their products and then have to do some modification to make it more useful. Some of those will be nice enough to give the mods back. The OP is pretty adamant this is something that will only benefit his non-profit though. Assuming that is the case you eliminate all the corporate users and the people that think it might be useful in their side projects. What you are left with is the people that really like your charity or people that want to learn the tech that you are going (or they choose) to use.

I'd say around 70% code really isn't single purpose it is single purpose by shortsightedness: people don't see anything beyond their current problem, don't desire to help others who might find it useful or don't have access to other data. Say a insurance company builds a dashboard, chances are a well designed system would have a huge amount of components that would be relevant to others in the industry. They don't share because they are competing and they won't sell because it is a distraction from their main business. Could this be the case with these small projects? Could it be you aren't thinking big enough to include enough interested parties? If a lot of them are interrelated technologically you might want to start a framework project that will have the parts that others can use (and might find interesting enough to contribute too) and then make your life easier building the rest of the solution on top of that framework.

Re:soliciting programmer support - a pipe dream? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43127517)

This has not been my experience at all. I regularly receive pull requests. But then, my software is fairly unique and solves a well designed problem, rather than being yet another me-too social app.

Re:soliciting programmer support - a pipe dream? (2)

SourceFrog (627014) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127683)

solves a well designed problem

I think the world has enough problems without people going around designing new problems.

Re:soliciting programmer support - a pipe dream? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43136227)

Do you even read before you comment? Rgiht there in the text:

We already have technical people seeking to donate time. We just need a way to coordinate skill matching, document sharing, and code submission out on the web.

Ask you members what they'd like (1)

seyyah (986027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126391)

We already have technical people seeking to donate time.

Sounds like a group of people who might have some insight into the problem.

We would need help with various technologies including at least Powershell and We would need help with various technologies including at least Powershell and SQL.SQL.

What does this mean? You need help with Powershell from your project host? Good luck with that.

Re:Ask you members what they'd like (1)

seyyah (986027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126431)

I need help pasting.

Freepository (1)

dragonquest (1003473) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126501)

Freepository [freepository.com] is a reliable solution if you are willing to shell out some cash. I think they stopped their free offering sometime back, but plans start from $9/month if your contributers are limited in number.

Re:Freepository (1)

jtara (133429) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126583)

Oh, great.

You pay to use stuff that most developers have stopped using.

Re:Freepository (4, Funny)

dgatwood (11270) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126827)

Freepository is a reliable solution if you are willing to shell out some cash. I think they stopped their free offering sometime back, but plans start from $9/month if your contributers are limited in number.

Perhaps in light of not being free, they should change their prefix. Might I recommend "sup". It's short for supported. :-D

Re:Freepository (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43127367)

"Perhaps in light of not being free, they should change their prefix. Might I recommend "sup". It's short for supported. :-D"

You, sir, are a master at understated humor - kudos!

Ask your own technical people! (3, Insightful)

Peganthyrus (713645) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126719)

Have you considered asking whatever the "people seeking to donate time" say they use for source hosting and going with whatever the majority loves doing?

MS Team Services (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126763)

So from the description given this service from Microsoft would be the best fit.
https://tfs.visualstudio.com/

Damn Spammers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43126923)

Submitting a half ass question in an obvious ploy to solicit volunteers just disqualified you from my volunteer efforts.

Redmine + git (3, Informative)

pinkeen (1804300) | about a year and a half ago | (#43126939)

Nobody mentioned redmine [redmine.org] ?
Combine it with git via ssh, set it up on a cheap VPS or your local box with forwarded ports and be done with it.

repositoryhosting.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43127007)

http://www.repositoryhosting.com has a lot to say for itself. Cheap, feature rich, fast. ... Pick all three.

GForge (1)

Mendy (468439) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127201)

If you could get somewhere to host it GForge [gforgegroup.com] would seem to fit what I think you're asking. It'd be similar to in effect to running your own "sourceforge" and then hosting each application on that.

Sadly the free/open source version seems to be defunct now from what I can see but the company who do the commercial version seem to offer free licences for non-profits so it might still be an option.

BitBucket, not GitHub, for what you are doing (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127455)

BitBucket [bitbucket.org] has a better pricing model for what you are trying to do. Free for up to ten users, which includes unlimited private repos.

Anything public is probably better hosted at GitHub, as people are more used to using stuff from there - the pricing is not too bad, but is per-repository so if you have a bunch of small things it could start to get expensive.

Executables? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43127725)

SourceForge takes finished executables also. I am not sure that Github allows executables.

Retarded projects?! (1)

supertrooper (2073218) | about a year and a half ago | (#43127843)

Initially I read: "Ask Slashdot: Where to Host Many Small, Retarded Projects?" and thought "This is an interesting question". Then I read it correctly and thought "That first question made more sense". Anyway, I digress, Github of course.

Re:Retarded projects?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43128367)

The fact that op is asking instead of googling this drivel is proof enough that they're likely retarded projects.

easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43128021)

hard drive

One of two things to fix (1)

raymorris (2726007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43129459)

This shows there is one of two problems that need to bee addressed before asking for development help:

current projects that we have in mind are small and probably not of interest to the wider world, although one very large project is possible. I need a site that emphasizes our non-profit as the benefactor rather than the wider world, since most projects are so specific that wider applicability seems slim.

If it's not of interest to the wider world, you'll not get developers coming to help, with a possible exception being if the organization is extremely well known, like Red Cross. However, if it's that specific, probably either a) the problem has been too narrowly defined or b) it's not a development project, but a find-and-configure project.

Think of the problem in more general terms, general enough so that it DOES apply to other people. Who else might have a similar problem? Do other people have a good solution for this type of problem? If others have a solution that works well for them, perhaps it makes sense to use the same solution yourself, configured for your needs. No development required. If other organizations with similiar problems do NOT have a good solution, work with them to find a solution that helps them too, so others can contribute to a shared solution.

Launchpad.Net (1)

dugndog (617883) | about a year and a half ago | (#43129527)

I am currently working on a non-profit project hosted at Launchpad.Net. Although it is a large ERP-size project instead of several small projects, I don't see why it wouldn't work for you. Of course, as other posters have pointed out, exposing the source is only one part of successfully running open projects.

gitlab + gitlab_ci (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43129683)

If you want self hosted repositories: gitlab & gitlab_ci

if you want someone else to host it but you want private repos : github or bitbucket

Since you're using proprietary non open source technologies, you won't get much community assistance.

Honestly you're much better off moving your technology stack to that of instagrams : django, ubuntu-server, python, nginx, fabric, git and amazon ec2

Powershell and SQL...so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43129995)

I am going to guess a Microsoft shop?
How about Team Foundation Services? (caveat - dont know much about it, only that its cloud based. might be free. might want your first born - ymmv.)
https://tfs.visualstudio.com

My Experience (1)

ios and web coder (2552484) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162433)

I do a lot of that kind of stuff.

I don't want to link to the site for my current initiative, as I don't like the "SlashDot Effect" on bandwidth-limited servers.

It's actually kind of difficult to chat offline in this joint. However, I have some experience in this area.

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  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>