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The Manti Te'o of Physics

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the international-man-of-intrigue-by-night dept.

Crime 101

theodp writes "When it comes to tales of fake girlfriends, Manti Te'o can't hold a candle to theoretical particle physicist Paul Frampton. In November 2011, writes the NY Times' Maxine Swann in 'The Professor, the Bikini Model and the Suitcase Full of Trouble,' Frampton met who he says he thought was Czech bikini model Denise Milani on Mate1.com. A Yahoo Messenger romance bloomed, at least in the 68-year-old Frampton's mind (Frampton's ex-wife was a self-described 'physics groupie'). But before starting their perfect life together, fake Denise asked Frampton for one little favor — would he be so kind as to bring her a bag that she had left in La Paz, Bolivia? Yep, bad idea. The UNC Louis D. Rubin, Jr. Distinguished Professor of Physics and Astronomy soon found himself in a Buenos Aries prison, charged with transporting two kilos of cocaine into Argentina. Currently serving a four years and eight months sentence under house arrest, Frampton reportedly continues to supervise his two current PhD students by phone, and still finds time to post to the Physics archive."

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Hey this is GossipDot, so (5, Funny)

Press2ToContinue (2424598) | about a year ago | (#43126829)

let the personal Indictments on evidence presented by media coverage begin .... now!

(You may write below. Judging morals and boob-based motivational jokes are encouraged.)

Re:Hey this is GossipDot, so (2)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year ago | (#43126993)

Everyone knows women dont exist on the internet.
Therefore, you should know it is a hoax if they are interested.

That hot babe on the internet isn't always a cop (1)

billstewart (78916) | about a year ago | (#43127487)

Sure, if she'd been "fifteen", she'd have been a cop, but there are other kinds of trolls out there.

Dude Doesn't Deserve to be Called a Physicist ... (3, Funny)

pollarda (632730) | about a year ago | (#43127579)

Clearly here is one guy who lacks the sense of curiosity that is supposed to be the hallmark of all physicists. What is in the bag? Is the cat in the bag alive or dead?

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Re:Dude Doesn't Deserve to be Called a Physicist . (1)

cffrost (885375) | about a year ago | (#43129713)

Clearly here is one guy who lacks the sense of curiosity that is supposed to be the hallmark of all physicists. What is in the bag? Is the cat in the bag alive or dead?

Brad Pitt: Aspiring Physicist [youtube.com]

Re:Dude Doesn't Deserve to be Called a Physicist . (3, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | about a year ago | (#43131429)

He knew damn well what was in the bag! After being warned by a friend that it probably had drugs sewn into the lining, he opened it up and (supposedly) decided it was empty. Then he filled it with his own clothes to make it look less suspicious. Kinda hard to miss 2Kg of coke, isn't it? This is a guy that was so delusional he actually thought if he smuggled coke for this Milani chick, that she was going to fall in love with him and marry him... despite the fact that he had never spoken to her in person.

Re:Dude Doesn't Deserve to be Called a Physicist . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43133579)

He knew damn well what was in the bag! After being warned by a friend that it probably had drugs sewn into the lining, he opened it up and (supposedly) decided it was empty. Then he filled it with his own clothes to make it look less suspicious. Kinda hard to miss 2Kg of coke, isn't it? This is a guy that was so delusional he actually thought if he smuggled coke for this Milani chick, that she was going to fall in love with him and marry him... despite the fact that he had never spoken to her in person.

Well said. I agree.

Re:Dude Doesn't Deserve to be Called a Physicist . (1)

peawormsworth (1575267) | about a year ago | (#43135309)

Without knowing much about the truth, I originally suspected exactly what you are saying. Seems to me that when ur caught with kilos of coke, the first thing you do is make up excuses as to why you are not responsible and someone else is. This story sounded exactly like the wild tail someone caught in crime will tell.

Re:Hey this is GossipDot, so (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#43130029)

The biggest surprise for me is that physicists have groupies! Do you have to be a rich successful physicist or just a competent physicist? Because it's not too late for me to change careers.

It doesn't really add up (4, Informative)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year ago | (#43126875)

It's hard to believe that he could really be that oblivious to how the real world works. The messages he sent from Bolivia where he talks about the value of cocaine, and evading authorities, don't help his case, either.

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43126927)

Yeah, it does sound very fishy. The article points out a lot of statements that he made that were verified to be false. He also didn't have enough money to pay for a lawyer after being a tenured professor for ~30 years? His defense just doesn't add up. Without more information it is tough to say what is going on here. It is somewhat plausible that he could be the idiot professor. But it is also plausible that he saw an opportunity and is now lying his ass off to try to protect himself.

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127039)

Yeah. Creating an overly-complex web of fake stories in order to milden any eventual consequences sound a lot more like the kind of "dumb" that an "idiot professor" would come up with.

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43128059)

He didn't have enough money because he was underpaid for years: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/23/2431759/unc-professor-frampton-asks-for.html# [newsobserver.com] He is also demanding to continue to be paid as he considers himself perfectly capable of performing his duties while he is in jail: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/23/2431759/unc-professor-frampton-asks-for.html# [newsobserver.com] However, given UNC standards for teaching (google for articles on UNC phantom courses) he may have chance to succeed in his quests.

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

peawormsworth (1575267) | about a year ago | (#43135317)

Either way. He should go to jail. You cant commit crimes and claim ignorance. What is his defence? "Im too stupid to go to jail."

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

BalthCat (2472732) | about a year ago | (#43136809)

If we had a 100% sure-fire way to tell if someone was seriously too stupid to know better, then yes, I would argue diminished capacity and thus diminished culpability. Ignorance WOULD be a defence if it wasn't something people could easily fake.

Re:It doesn't really add up (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43127087)

What would be odd, though, about the 'it was deliberate' case is that(at least going by popular accounts and a rough survey of people who get caught) being a coke mule is kind of a shitty job. Lots of surplus value in the supply chain as a whole; but not a terribly compelling slice(especially given the legal, and in some methods lethal, hazards involved) of that actually goes to the peon doing the carrying.

I'd assume that squeaky-clean white Americans are rather more desirable mules than 'impecunious locals who don't have a convincing story for how they even bought a ticket', because they are less suspicious and more likely to bring the package to its destination, unless the sniffer dogs get them; but unless the premium paid is pretty good, it still seems like a strange career move, particularly for somebody sharp enough to hack it as a physicist.

It wouldn't be the first time that somebody did something moronic; but 'coke mule' is not high on the list of fantasy dream jobs...

Re:It doesn't really add up (2)

seyyah (986027) | about a year ago | (#43127131)

He may still have been manipulated by the 'woman', but knew a little more about what he needed to do (ie carry a suitcase full of cocaine rather than her sentimental suitcase) to get her.

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43127785)

That would be more plausible than doing it for cash directly(though it would also make him a veritable poster child for any of the various 'sugar daddy' "dating" websites that allow older guys with money to go out of their league without ending up in cushy Bolivian prison...)

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127143)

It's hard to believe he thought he'd have to go to Bolivia to meet a model who lives in Los Angeles.

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127145)

Reading the text messages he sent, not only does it look like he clearly knew he was transporting coke. It looks to me like he still thought the girl was real and wanted to run off with the coke or something. The cops probably saved his life. What a moron.

Re:It doesn't really add up (5, Funny)

bitt3n (941736) | about a year ago | (#43127151)

It's hard to believe that he could really be that oblivious to how the real world works. The messages he sent from Bolivia where he talks about the value of cocaine, and evading authorities, don't help his case, either.

I'm struck by the astuteness of your observation. As a nubile lingerie-model, I've been looking for someone like you to help lift me up out of the downward spiral to which I've been doomed by my slightly unwholesome good looks and improbably bountiful bosom. I know it's beyond all reason to hope that some stranger on the internet might condescend to lift me from out of this maelstrom of sexually depraved antics and obscene luxury, but is there any chance that someone of your pronounced intellect and homespun charms might be able to love a poor thing like me? Bonus points if you have a peg leg and are too fat to fit in one of those backscatter machines.

Re:It doesn't really add up (4, Informative)

dywolf (2673597) | about a year ago | (#43127221)

http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Denise_Milani [boobpedia.com]

Man has good taste

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127443)

Bleargh. Those boobs on a middle aged woman?

Re:It doesn't really add up (5, Funny)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year ago | (#43127649)

Man has good taste

Perhaps it was just intellectual curiosity. As a physicist, he may have thought they could account for the Universe's missing mass.

 

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43128685)

http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Denise_Milani [boobpedia.com]

Man has good taste

No, no he doesn't.

There's such a thing as breasts that are so large, they are unattractive. She is many, many sizes over that threshold.

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

fredrated (639554) | about a year ago | (#43137191)

No s**t Sherlock, who could want those things except someone with an irrational fixation due to deprivation at birth or some other pathology?

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about a year ago | (#43131489)

And of course, if you receive a picture of someone who has literally hundreds of photographs of themselves freely available on the internet, it obviously came directly from her... it couldn't possibly by that somebody else downloaded one of those pictures and posed as her, no sir-ee!

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about a year ago | (#43131511)

As much as I hate to go against the predominant "more is always better!" mentality, I have to say yes, Ms. Milani's tits are too big. I prefer my women to be proportional, not gross caricatures of what some immature boy thinks the perfect woman would look like. Kate Upton is proportioned just about perfectly.

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43140905)

Oh come on. Cold fusion is more real than those things. But I'm not saying that's a bad thing...

Re:It doesn't really add up (2)

jjohnson (62583) | about a year ago | (#43127371)

Hans Reiser is the template for this sort of thing. His basic flaw is narcissism, which makes him a perfect dupe. He's genuinely unsurprised that a supermodel would want to make babies with him, a distinguished physics professor in line for a Nobel. And just like Reiser, he's genuinely shocked that the court didn't believe his "I'm aspie!" defence in court that he was just joking about those tweets.

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

docmordin (2654319) | about a year ago | (#43127405)

It's hard to believe that he could really be that oblivious to how the real world works.

There are more than a handful of people who grow up in affluence or are sheltered most of their lives from the denizens of seedy places that might prey on others. Ergo, they have little recourse, mostly in the form of previous experience or tales from their associates, to guide them in such matters.

I know that, in my case, it was not immediately apparent that I was a potential drug mule target, when I was accosted, late one evening, by a buxom, beautiful, crying woman in Ybor City. The only factors that ultimately saved me from helping her were that: (i) I had never been anywhere near the Central/South Florida area and hence was lost looking for a sushi restaurant at which I was to meet some fellow research conference attendees and (ii) I was incredibly late due to having canvassed the area on foot several times without finding the restaurant.

Re:It doesn't really add up (4)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#43127433)

It's hard to believe that he could really be that oblivious to how the real world works. The messages he sent from Bolivia where he talks about the value of cocaine, and evading authorities, don't help his case, either.

My impression of the story the author was telling is that the guy really was catfished, but he knew he was a drug mule. He just thought that muling was something he needed to do for the woman, to prove his love or to provide a comfortable life for her, something along those lines. He also thought that he was smarter than the cops and that if he got caught, he would be able to get off by pretending to have been fooled.

The guy probably never dealt with the legal system before, much less criminal legal system in a 3rd world country, and had the typical nerd belief that it was all just a system of rules, like theoretical physics or computer programming, and if he could just set up the 'equations' the right way the result would be the outcome he expected (I think the author hinted at that when she focused on his statements about how great it would be to have his theoretical predictions validated by a real experiment.)

Now, that is the story I think the author was telling, who knows how true that is to what really happened.

Re:It doesn't really add up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43129547)

I would agree to a point and add this...

He was part of the hoax to begin with. There are a number of "friends" (of course everyone is someones friend when they are in the press), even his own family has said in so many words he has done things similar to bring attention to himself. I do not follow this but the idiot morning rock radio shows kept going on about it, till listeners call up and complained.

Leave it up the to the shit stains in the press who fell for this crap, and didn't bother to investigate prior to reporting the lie, then make excuses for this punk-ass and to try and clear there own name of any wrong doing, or because they don't want to hurt the kids feelings. But yet they go after anyone who defies, insults, and exposes the press and what is really about. If it wasn't for the internet they would have kept going on with the lie. And at the same time they probably knew about it and for whatever reason liked jerking themselves off over it.. But you can use the presses own ignorance/arrogance against them, a lot of people have done this to gain fame, or to get free advertising.

Is it possible the kid is really is as brainless as a door stopper? He is a football player so I would buy that argument.. With all the whoo haa on campus why would you waste time on the internet looking for whoo haa (if you didn't get what I meant by whoo haa to bad).. But the way the whole thing was handled and his fake sorrow new conference with all his butt buddy teammates, and butt buddy coaches, and College Execs, only shows he fully knew what was going on or created the hoax..

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about a year ago | (#43131531)

Agreed. He knew what he was doing, he was just delusional enough to think it would get him laid by Denise Milani... which does seem to indicate an extremely poor understanding of how the real world works.

Re:It doesn't really add up (1)

Shinobi (19308) | about a year ago | (#43129113)

Eh... Academia tends to have a lot of people who are the epitome of "extremely smart, but not wise at all", living in a sort of bubble. And this one was in theoretical physics, compounding the issue.

Let's just say that I'm not very surprised...

Frampton came alive (3, Funny)

ShaunC (203807) | about a year ago | (#43126877)

Do you, you... Feel like I do?

Re:Frampton came alive (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127019)

Do you, you... Feel like I do?

No, because I'm not a moron like you.

Re:Frampton came alive (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127157)

Woke up this morning in a Buenos Aires jail.

What jail?

Whose jail?

Where the hell is my bail?

I don't get it (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#43126885)

I'm having trouble understanding this. He is an educated man, a Ph.D. no less. He is a man of maturity with a lifetime of experience. And yet he somehow thinks that a white bikini model wants his 68 year old shriveled cock? How do you even get to that point? Educated people don't do this. Did we fact-check this story for a hoax, because it's a good chance that it is.

Re:I don't get it (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#43126953)

He is an educated man, a Ph.D. no less.

So is Kurt Wise. And his Ph.D. in geology somehow doesn't show. There's a *correlation* between being educated and not suffering from cognitive lapses, *not* causality.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43126955)

This just happens that anyone can be the victim social engineering; regardless of how smart you are...
All they have to do is find your weakness... even if you are street-smart, you'll still fall for it!

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43126963)

Apparently a psychologist had diagnosed him as being in the bottom percentile of social intelligence.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#43127735)

Apparently a psychologist had diagnosed him as being in the bottom percentile of social intelligence.

Wow. It took a guy with a psychology degree to figure that out?

Prison is entirely populated by people who are in the bottom 5 to 10% in social intelligence.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about a year ago | (#43131557)

Prison is entirely populated by people who are in the bottom 5 to 10% in social intelligence.

Then why aren't I in jail yet?

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43126965)

I'm having trouble understanding this. He is an educated man, a Ph.D. no less. He is a man of maturity with a lifetime of experience. And yet he somehow thinks that a white bikini model wants his 68 year old shriveled cock? How do you even get to that point? Educated people don't do this. Did we fact-check this story for a hoax, because it's a good chance that it is.

Haven't dealt with academics much, have you?

Maturity? Experience? Hah. He's likely to have been sheltered from the real world since he was about 17.

Which kinda makes me believe his story.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127053)

It could be that he wasn't innocent about the contents of the little bag.

Really. (1)

Fuzzums (250400) | about a year ago | (#43127195)

Hugh Hefner. 86 years old. Don't want to speculate about his cock though.

Re:Really. (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#43127753)

Hugh Hefner. 86 years old. Don't want to speculate about his cock though.

Hefner has a lifetime of experience telling him that beautiful women are really interested in his money.

Re:I don't get it (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43127357)

Wisdom and knowledge are two separate things. Lots of really smart people do really stupid things.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127397)

There are many phds who seem to have no clue whatsoever about the real world. Deep understanding of theory does not require any street smarts.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127515)

I saw an MD once being interviewed on one of those "news magazine" programs. The topic? 419 scams. Yep. The guy who is figuring out if that sore throat is really serious fell for that.

They also say that you reach peak financial sense around 50 or so. After that it's all down hill. We can't rule out early stage dementia.

Most likely though, he just has no "street smarts" and has managed to avoid "operators" until now. Either that, or he's pretending to be an absent-minded, vulnerable academic to get away with the crime.

It's all for the courts to decide...

Re:I don't get it (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about a year ago | (#43131553)

I had a friend who was really bright, an Electronics Engineering student who was Engineer of the Year at my college... and yet he couldn't install a car stereo in his own car without help. "Educated" and "Understands how the real world works" are as different as Theory and Practice.

Book smart but not Street Smart (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about a year ago | (#43126895)

This is a sad tale -- but a good example of how being book smart doesn't translate into being street smart. :-/

Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

blue trane (110704) | about a year ago | (#43126897)

Rand Paul, start another filibuster about legalizing drugs.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43127373)

Drugs aren't legal because we have to take care of idiots after they fuck themselves and their lives and their children's lives up. If we could let people live with the consequences of their actions then I'd fully agree they should be legal. Eventually most of the real idiots would die but noooooooo! We have to care for them and make sure they get treatment and counseling. That's why they are illegal.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43127597)

One might argue that is a lower price to pay than the cost of law enforcement and the enrichment of criminal gangs with ensuing civil disruption.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43128027)

You could argue that. I don't know that you'd be right though I can see your point.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year ago | (#43129943)

One could argue lots of other things too.

People should be free to fuck themselves up with drugs, just like they're free to fuck themselves up with other things. Why should drugs be special?

People fuck themselves up with alcohol (OK it is a drug), but many more people can use it responsibly and legally.

People are free to drive as much as they want even though it is a huge cause of injury, disablement and death. Yet we support them.

Likewise people are free to do many dangerous recreational activities (mountain biking, snowsports, whitewater rafting etc).

People are also free to eat themselves into a 450lb food coma.

Why should drugs be any different?

Why do they get singled out aginst the no-harm (if you do no harm to others, then it sould be allowed) principle? Many things currently illegal are harmless if used responsibly, and many legal things are harmful if not. The key is pursuing the people whi cannot use them responsibly. And a large part of why drugs cause so much harm is the massive association with crime BECAUSE they are illegal. If they were legal, they wouldn't be de-facto associated with crime.

I have yet to hear a good, coherent argument as to why drugs should be illegal compared to other dangerous recreational activities.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#43127765)

Drugs aren't legal because we have to take care of idiots after they fuck themselves and their lives and their children's lives up. If we could let people live with the consequences of their actions then I'd fully agree they should be legal. Eventually most of the real idiots would die but noooooooo! We have to care for them and make sure they get treatment and counseling. That's why they are illegal.

But if we could identify that certain drugs are just too damaging and addictive for people who have kids and serious responsibilities, we could get people to have themselves sterilized in exchange for the right to take whateverthehell drugs they want.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43128031)

I'm okay with that but it'd never fly in the Nanny State. You can't interfere with peoples' rights to bring children into the world that they are totally incapable of raising.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

pupsocket (2853647) | about a year ago | (#43127777)

Nice theory, but counterfactual. Drug use has not changed much since around 1906, when the law required canners and bottlers to disclose what's in their products. Cocaine and opium use plunged once people knew what they were taking. We did not then and we do not need now to take care of remaining users, unless you are talking about tobacco and alcohol, truly harmful substances. Since then, the lives of millions have been ruined by a violent war on those who use drugs. This is true even of methamphetamine, commonly available until the expanding army of salary-and-pension addicts needed to find new markets for their brutal services. The public expense of this war is horrendous, but worse is the savage reduction of person freedom it has wrought -- criminalizing of currency, sniffing and invasion of every aspect of private life.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43128041)

What facts are wrong? I don't disagree that most people will not poison themselves knowingly. The problem is that we do have to care for the people that do. They show up at emergency rooms and we take care of them. It's a simple fact.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

pupsocket (2853647) | about a year ago | (#43128123)

Oh, you mean they're broke and their lives are ruined? Could it be because they don't don't buy their heroin from Bayer, which invented and introduced the product, but from the only kind of distributor able to stay in business under the current regime -- a monopolistic gang of greedy murders?

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43128661)

So you think the high cost is the only problem? If it were cheap and legal that everything would be all nice and problem free? I lean toward Libertarian concepts but although I'd like to see the drug war end I know that all those junkies would be the taxpayers' responsibility. If legality included provisions to make sure that people who chose to ingest that stuff were on their own to deal with the repercussions I'd say fine. Never gonna happen though.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (2)

fafalone (633739) | about a year ago | (#43128721)

What exactly are those repercussions, that don't arise only as a consequence of legal status? Here's a hint, they're about the same as those of people taking high doses of other opiates prescribed by physicians; and those under heroin maintenance programs in Europe: virtually nil.

Pick another drug to make that comment about, because medically speaking, opiates (which includes heroin) are among the safest drugs out there when used legally.
And before you bring up 'liver problems', remember that is a consequence of the Tylenol put into opioid preparations as a deterrent to recreational use.

And as a sanity check, I have to assume you believe the taxpayer should not be responsible for the repercussions of legal alcohol and tobacco use? Because if that's not the case, well, you know what that would make you. Oh and by the way, the burden on taxpayers will be less if it's legal regardless of the drug. The drug war sure as shit isn't free, and the non-drugwar costs are already there- and there's no good reason to believe untold masses of people are going to rush out and become heroin addicts just because it's legal.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43128823)

The problem with illegal drugs is more the dosage than anything else. If you get a prescription for pain killers then you take them say one or two pills every 4 to 6 hours. When they are gone they are gone. This means that you take enough to help with the pain which is of course what they are for. If you buy them off the street then generally people take them as they want them. The only limit is how much money they have. More money, more drugs. Now they are damaging their bodies. Long term use results in a resistance to the drug, now you have to take more to get the same results. Eventually serious problems result and most likely, if there is no intervention death will come through overdose or damage to liver or other organs. Heroin users usually overdose and it's off to the ER, back to the street, ER again in a vicious cycle until eventually death occurs or maybe they kick the habit. I know people rant for legalization of drugs but I don't know that they really think about unlimited cheap drugs and the effects it will have on society. No, most people aren't going to become addicts, especially once the ones that do present glaringly obvious object lessons on what such behavior results in. Mostly though the problem will be the easy availability and lower price accelerating the process. I don't know, maybe it'll be better than the crazy war on drugs but the problems wont be minor.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43132755)

you stupid fuck, the drug users are the taxpayers responsibilty whether drugs are legal or not.

Re:Why aren't drugs legal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43129279)

This is also why we can't have large sodas.

Frampton Comes Alive! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43126903)

For those of you younger folks, Peter Frampton was sort of a one-hit wonder in the '70s. Only his one hit was not a song but a live album called "Frampton Comes Alive!" that contained some good natured vocals, a little razzle dazzle guitar playing, a guitar gadget called a voice box, and a lot of screaming in the background. He was about the biggest star in rock (outside of disco) for about a year. Then he made a lame acting appearance in a Bee Gees movie and sort of fell off the map.

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43126987)

Hmm. Let's see:

Extremely over-inflated sense of his own competence? Check.
Extremely gullible? Check.
Thinks he's a misunderstood rock-star genius? Check.
Terrible social sense? Check.
Bizarre views towards women? Check.
Detachment from reality? Check.

Wow, this guy would fit in perfectly on Slashdot!

Heck, for all I know he's a frequent, long-time poster here. He may even have a five-digit UID.

Re:Hmm... (1)

tjones (1282) | about a year ago | (#43127191)

Yeah, those guys with low UIDs are freaks.

Re:Hmm... (1)

Elbereth (58257) | about a year ago | (#43128275)

You have to admit that we do tend to be a bit eccentric, at best.

I'd be curious to see what percentage of low-UID Slashdotters have been professionally diagnosed with mental illness. To be fair, it's probably not much worse than the goons at Something Awful.

Re:Hmm... (2)

Geeky (90998) | about a year ago | (#43129963)

We are. But I still feel like a newbie.

I have a long and personally relevant story about how an otherwise reasonably intelligent man can allow himself to be fooled by a younger attractive woman. I'll outline it here.

He gave in to the temptation to see escorts. He met one who he started seeing regularly, and after a while she told him she was getting out of the business but would keep seeing him. By seeing her more regularly, she could get by, financially. When asked she hinted that she might be interested in a relationship, but wanted to get her life sorted out - that she wasn't "ready". She was trying to start a legitimate business first, and wanted to focus on that.

Two years go by. He keeps seeing her. He puts some money towards her business, even some technical assistance. She meets him outside of "work" but only when she wants a favour. They chat online almost every day, and he sees her for the other stuff every couple of weeks. There has been no progress towards a relationship, and he suspects she has a partner who is actually running the (legitimate) business, or is still working, or both.

Despite all this, he still holds out hope. He's aware of the cognitive dissonance, and the doublethink required to stick with it, and has even asked her to just tell him, so they can carry on happily as they are without that false hope. He'd accept that. Despite it all, he genuinely likes and cares for her.

Luckily this post is buried in a reply several deep in an older thread, so I doubt many people will read it and raise eyebrows at the obvious "a friend of mine..." nature of the story.

Re:Hmm... (1)

another_twilight (585366) | about a year ago | (#43145239)

You can't have a meaningful dialogue with someone who is lying.

It's not money you are spending, it's your time. This is the classic Gambler's Fallacy with, I dare say, a touch of the "I'm not going to find anything/anyone else". Without knowing more I'm going to take a punt and suggest it's not her you like or care for but an idealisation that you have built. Perhaps a 'potential her' or 'she as she might be'. While you are pouring your life into this you are missing opportunities that might actually bear fruit.

If you are talking about it, that's fantastic. Keep at it. Talk to people you can trust. Part of you is concerned. Nurture that part.

In any event, may I suggest you take a break. Find another escort and see her regularly enough to get over the 'strange and new'. See if and how that changes your perspective and how your current companion reacts.

Re:Hmm... (1)

jjohnson (62583) | about a year ago | (#43127387)

I thought the bag had only sentimental value. When Denise and I are finally together, I'll learn the truth!

You can see how he might have become confused... (1)

mspohr (589790) | about a year ago | (#43127099)

In order to really understand this story, you need to Google Denise Milani.
Here are a few results:
http://www.denisemilani.com/ [denisemilani.com]
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Denise_Milani's_breasts [wikia.com]
http://www.fhm.com/girls/covergirls/denise-milani [fhm.com]

Re:You can see how he might have become confused.. (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43127389)

Good point. That's enough to kill off all cognitive functions. I guess the little head just had to take over.

lol - professor dumbass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43127267)

I bet he can't wait to meet Denise once he gets out of prison!

Genius in one field, moron in another (1)

Beeftopia (1846720) | about a year ago | (#43127271)

Textbook example of why you need to be cautious of geniuses in their specialty field preaching in fields outside their specialty.

One of the academically smartest people I've ever personally known, simply seems to be missing the social intelligence processor.

Re:Genius in one field, moron in another (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43127419)

Yeah, this is yet another example demonstrating that intelligence does not imply wisdom or even common sense.

It's funny, though, how many faculty just always assume that their idea or concept is the only one that matters on any topic because they are (in their own view) the most intelligent person participating in the conversation. I work with faculty, and it is amazing to see just how breathtakingly disconnected from reality some of them are.

Re:Genius in one field, moron in another (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43127577)

I posted the above before reading the article - typical of most of us Slashdotters. However, now having read the article... it's hard to believe his claims. Yes, he does seem to be a real world idiot... but I think it's likely he was knowingly smuggling cocaine, but thought he could get away with it because he's so much smarter than everyone else.

No doubt. It's true. (1)

pupsocket (2853647) | about a year ago | (#43127695)

Distrust is the biggest hog of brain resources. Followed by self-doubt. In this unspeakable snob, both modules are reduced to vestigial place-savers.

AN OMG moment (3, Informative)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#43127835)

I did not meet Frampton but In the 80's I knew several of his students. So that's 2 degrees.
All I can say is wow.
This guy not only was a professor, he was one of the guys inventing the thing that eventually became String Theory only at the time it was called Dual Resonance Models. He also wrote a book on QFT that was generally on everyone's suggested reading list. Virtual every high energy physicist has heard of him.

Her's not stupid. (1, Funny)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#43127905)

First, all the men on here know the men who say he is stupid are lying.

For the women, if you believe that Frampton is stupid or that the men who say he is stupid really believe that. Let me explain something to you.

1. Men will screw anything. If the only alternative is a female gorilla, he will jump at the chance once she presents her but. Even of her 800 lb gorilla boyfriend is about 20 feet away and bearing down on him, he will jump at the chance. He will just hope to outrun the gorilla.

2. Take every male brain cell in the world, and lump them all into one large male brain. Given the chance to sleep with a women with 39DDD breasts, you will not find one cell in that brain that is working correctly.

Re:Her's not stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43128065)

What you are saying about men really only applies to 15-year-old pimply-faced hormone-addicted teens who have convinced themselves they aren't going to get laid before they die.

Have a Little Sensitivity! (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about a year ago | (#43128081)

Yeah, we make jokes and all, but remember, at least in the Manti Te'o case, a girl who never existed, is dead.

He's lying, o' course. (1)

TheRealDevTrash (2849653) | about a year ago | (#43128243)

That's the story I'd use if I was to start muling cocaine across the border like it was 1983 and there was no Patriot Act.

As Woody Allen once said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43128475)

This proves that you can be absolutely brilliant and have no idea what's going on.

This is horrible!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43129803)

Will this affect the recording of "Frampton Comes Alive 3"?

He's a string theory proponent (1)

randyleepublic (1286320) | about a year ago | (#43132937)

No wonder he's so naive and creduous.

Not, by the way that anyone deserves punishment for fooling around with drugs. He's naive - punishing people for production, sales, or use of drugs is genuinely evil!

Alternative explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142109)

Is it possible that when this all started out he was trying to turn the tables on a scammer, and then got in too deep and thought he'd be better off with the "irresistible to supermodels" story than the true one?

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