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Ferrari Unveils World's Fastest (and Most Expensive) Hybrid

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the green-whooshing dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes writes "Fred Meier reports that Ferrari has unveiled its fastest car ever, a nearly 1000 hp. gas-electric hybrid dubbed LaFerrari that does 0-62 mph in less than 3 seconds, 0-124 in less than 7 seconds, 0-186 mph in 15 seconds. "We chose to call this model LaFerrari," says Ferrari's President, Luca di Montezemolo, "because it is the maximum expression of what defines our company – excellence. ...Aimed at our collectors, this is a truly extraordinary car which encompasses advanced solutions that, in the future, will find their way onto the rest of the range." LaFerrari is the company's first hybrid and has a system that incorporates technology developed for the Scuderia Ferrari Formula One race car's KERS (kinetic energy recovery system) setup. In LaFerrari, the hybrid (HY-KERS) version uses a 6.26-liter, non-turbo, V-12 gas engine rated at 800 hp coupled with a 163 hp. electric motor for a combined rating of 963 hp. A second, separate electric motor drives the power accessories."

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frist poast! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133747)

frist poast!

Parenthesis DOUCHE NOZZLE Timmyboy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43135139)

Timmmaaayyy (timmuh!!!) strikes again!

Ferrari Unveils World's Fastest (and Most Expensive) Hybrid

Hello (retarded) moron- would you (maybe) care to quit abusing the parentheses? It is (super) retarded of you to always (and I mean always) do this. When I read one of your "summaries," I can't but help to think of how stupid people are. It's like seeing the Obama 2012 stickers on every other vehicle.

Timmay!

(captcha: incest)

Re:Parenthesis DOUCHE NOZZLE Timmyboy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43135159)

And dnot - get me started w/ kdawsno, thta might be- a -different dicsussion tho

-KD

Not a gas-hybrid (0, Troll)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133801)

So it's a petroleum/gasoline-electic hybrid.

Not gas powered.

Gas - It's not a liquid.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133811)

Gas - It's not a liquid.

... or solid =P (or plasma and possibly others. The idea was mostly to separate it from gasoline.)

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134755)

What about Bose-Einstein condensates?

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133835)

I know this site has an international audience, but did anyone really think that this thing ran on some non-specific, presumably flammable "gas"? In the US, "gas" is the most common way to refer to gasoline/petrol. We would call a CNG vehicle a "natural gas" car, and propane or hydrogen would be referred to as just propane or hydrogen.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133955)

We should also make clear that this is an automobile. The term "car" is ambiguous and may give rise to the misconception that this vehicle must be pushed or pulled, perhaps in series, by a locomotive.

Additionally, the term "hp" as used in the story refers to "horsepower", not "hit points". This is not to imply that 1000hp means that the automobile will be pushed or pulled by one thousand actual horses; merely that the power is roughly comparable.

If you can imagine the resources necessary to stable and feed one thousand horses, this is an incredible engineering feat indeed! Not to suggest that engineering alone was responsible for the construction of this automobile -- indeed, one can imagine mathematics, robotics, welding, and any number of other disciplines were involved in harmony. But likely not music theory, regardless of the ambiguous term "harmony" I employed mere seconds ago.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134713)

Actually, a horse is more like 3-5 hp. Yep. WTF.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134789)

Music theory is indeed used by Ferrari and other high end manufactures. Not just the tuning of the exhaust lengths for performance, but also for musicality. Additionally the understanding of resonance is critical to the design of the cabin environment.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133959)

I was about to say the same thing. I assumed it was hydrogen or something like that.

In any case it looks like hybrids are the new performance frontier for cars, with EV like acceleration.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133979)

Te LaFerrari uses the same V12 that is used in the current F12berlinetta and that car uses Premium fuel. The Ferrari Enzo Ferrari (the LaFerrari's ancestor) used premium fuel you could find at any Shell as well.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133993)

I know this site has an international audience, but did anyone really think that this thing ran on some non-specific, presumably flammable "gas"?

Well, every single time the international audience sees an Americanism on this American site, they are surprised, confused and angry. I think it's safe to say they're just fucking stupid.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134037)

Uhhh...you expect grammar nazis to care about logic? Really? You must be new here.

As for TFA frankly ALL hybrids might as well be toys for the rich because if you remove all the government subsidies? The math just doesn't work. The problem is we haven't had a real breakthrough in battery tech in years and the lithium batteries just don't make economic sense. From the tests I've seen depending on where you live and whether you own a climate controlled garage (because of differences in temps affecting battery life) you are looking at 5-7 years on the battery. Now from what I read the batteries in something like the Leaf or Prius cost around $20,000 to replace yet thanks to government subsidies these cars only cost $24k-$39k depending on feature set so already you have a car that is gonna be practically worthless on the used car market (because the battery costs more than the used car is worth) and any economist will tell you its the used car market that seriously hurts our fossil fuel numbers, currently the USA averages 14MPG and that is because of all the poor folks in used cars on the road.

So while we need to invest in R&D of new battery tech frankly at this point in time hybrids and electrics are just money sinks, all that money sank into subsidizing hybrids is just money pissed down a rathole. If you truly wanted to put the USA on a path of energy independence what you would be better off doing is putting that money into a "people's car/truck" that ran on diesel (so you could later on switch to bio-diesel if the tech becomes viable) with a minimum of 38 MPG for the truck and 45 MPG and a price target of under $30k, THEN you could do a "cash for clunkers" and other subsidies to get the poor out of the older gas guzzlers. If you were to do this with the current national MPG being 14 you could cut our fuel usage by half (figuring in that some will not switch) while having something that would actually make economic sense. With economies of scale you could probably make the vehicles profitable and as the years went by and more and more of the used market was filled by these higher gas mileage vehicles the savings would continue to rise.

But hybrids are just a symptom of a larger disease, the fact that subsidies end up becoming entrenched and continue long after it has been shown not to be economically viable. Just look at ethanol, it causes higher food prices, damages engines, yet we continue to shell out all this money on a tech that has proven to be a dead end because so many in the agra business lobby to keep it. What we need is to spend our money wisely on tech that works economically and hybrids just aren't there yet.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134223)

As for TFA frankly ALL hybrids might as well be toys for the rich because if you remove all the government subsidies? The math just doesn't work.

The same applies to gasoline combustion vehicles. If I could sue GM, Ford and Toyota out of existence for the harm they've caused people, then they'd be out of business. Instead they're protected by courts.

That isn't even counting the aircraft carriers and other military operations.

But hybrids are just a symptom of a larger disease, the fact that subsidies end up becoming entrenched and continue long after it has been shown not to be economically viable. Just look at ethanol, it causes higher food prices, damages engines, yet we continue to shell out all this money on a tech that has proven to be a dead end because so many in the agra business lobby to keep it.

Ethanol only damages engines that aren't prepared for it, in the same way engines that aren't prepared for gasoline would be damaged by it. Complaining about it is foolish, and your claims about higher food prices caused by ethanol are not substantiated, and you ignore the purpose is to avoid damaging lungs. How much should breathable air be worth?

What we need is to spend our money wisely on tech that works economically and hybrids just aren't there yet.

What we need to do is spend our money wisely and not just bury our heads in the sand and pretend that gasoline works without costs that are very extreme, yet ignored because they don't hit you right in the face.

Maybe you like propping up dictators around the world while sucking up to Exxon Mobile, but not everybody else considers that to be economically viable.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

Bartles (1198017) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134669)

Maybe you like propping up dictators around the world while sucking up to Exxon Mobile, but not everybody else considers that to be economically viable.

Actually the more sucking up we do to Exxon Mobile and other non-dictator directed energy firms, the less we have to prop up dictators around the world.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134695)

Not at all. Find out where their leases are.

It isn't in Freedonia.

Then consider their own immediate conduct which stole a page from Big Tobacco.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134249)

Something like the Leaf, is a pure electric and not a hybrid, as such it has a bigger and more expensive battery, although still less not as expensive as the figure you gave, and I'm sure the price will come down a bit before most of them actually need replacing. For the Prius the replacement battery is much cheaper, for an older model it will cost somewhere in the region of $2500 - $4500 (figures sourced from here [greencarreports.com] .)

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134387)

I woudlnt' count on it. China is cutting back on exports for rare earths, other sources are coming online, but battery costs will likely stay high for a while.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134625)

China is increasing exports of rare earths. What they are cutting back on is exports of raw materials. If you build it in China, you can export it. They are using trade restrictions to help prop up the manufacturing business, since the US economy tanking under 40 years of conservative leadership (except for Clinton balancing the budget for long enough for Bush to sell us out), we aren't buying enough stuff.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (2)

smash (1351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134415)

What you want at the moment is a VW Golf TDi. Same or better MPG as a Prius, goes like stink (considering what it is), no battery to worry about and it's a nicer car inside and to drive. However, just a week ago or so, some guys claimed a breakthrough with graphene for use as batteries [gizmodo.com] . Which could make hybrids or even full electric cars actually viable.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (5, Interesting)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134521)

Uhhh...you expect grammar nazis to care about logic? Really? You must be new here.

As for TFA frankly ALL hybrids might as well be toys for the rich because if you remove all the government subsidies? The math just doesn't work. The problem is we haven't had a real breakthrough in battery tech in years and the lithium batteries just don't make economic sense. From the tests I've seen depending on where you live and whether you own a climate controlled garage (because of differences in temps affecting battery life) you are looking at 5-7 years on the battery. Now from what I read the batteries in something like the Leaf or Prius cost around $20,000 to replace yet thanks to government subsidies these cars only cost $24k-$39k depending on feature set so already you have a car that is gonna be practically worthless on the used car market (because the battery costs more than the used car is worth)

Unfortunately, you seem to be reading "studies" put out by FUD-spewing shills. Most of the "facts" in your analysis are simply incorrect.

(A) "the lithium batteries just don't make economic sense": the Prius and Honda hybrids use NiMH batteries, not Lithium tech (which is coming into use in newer vehicles, e.g. Tesla and Chevy Volt); focusing on Lithium while bashing the Prius shows your ignorance of the subject.

(B) "you are looking at 5-7 years on the battery," "practically worthless on the used car market": the Prius was introduced in Japan in 1997, and on the world market in 2000. They aren't dropping dead on the road --- real life longevity/reliability is quite high, with a decade and a half of data to back it up. Feel free to check actual used car prices to see whether a Prius is "practically worthless."

(C) "...batteries in something like the Leaf or Prius cost around $20,000 to replace yet thanks to government subsidies these cars only cost $24k-$39k": many ridiculous (and intentionally deceptive) estimates of "OMG huge gov subsidies" are floating around with no basis in fact. They are usually based on highly faulty economics, e.g. dividing (Gov. subsidy for building big new factory)/(# of batteries produced per year) to produce "scary" numbers, while ignoring that the factory will continue producing batteries for decades. Actual Prius battery replacement from Toyota is ~$4k, and might need to be done (if ever) after ~300,000 miles.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134627)

God I love watching two pseudonymous people go at it without citations of any kind. It's like watching pro-wrestling. You know it's fake, but it's a great show and you can't help but cheer for your team.

*popcorn*

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134913)

God, I love watching some pretentious anonymous get make aspirations to entertainment value. It's like watching Fox News. You know they're either insane or hypocritical, but the remote control is too far away.

*candy apple*

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134601)

The hybrid is a means of harnessing the energy "lost" during braking. That's what the point was for all the economy-based hybrids. If the car doesn't meet some arbitrary line you wish to see, the issue is the car is too much car for economy. You sound like all the luddites pushing against tech because the benefit isn't enough for some arbitrary and irrational minimum cost of change.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134681)

I replaced my 2001 Prius battery pack at 9 years for $1,500. That was me taking out the back seat, disconnecting the battery, unbolting it, screwing it to a pallet and telling them it's ready.....then the opposite. The dealership wanted $3,000 but would have provided the old battery design while the one I received was rebuilt from new generation battery cells.

I've heard over and over the outrageous claims of $10K+ for a new battery by the clueless. Toyota since 2004 has a 10yr warranty on the batteries in the standard Prius.

If you are talking about the lithium batteries in the Leaf or plugin Prius then the $10,000 range is probably correct but you are also talking more about electric cars than the lighter hybrid like the standard Prius. But all these cars are super efficient, little to no polution out the pipe, and are very quiet and enjoyable to ride or drive. All of which has value to some. Just as a Porche has different value propositions from a VW Beetle. Should the government be subsidizing non or lightly polluting vehicles is another topic but the fact is they do and air quality has been improved from it.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134705)

[...] and any economist will tell you its the used car market that seriously hurts our fossil fuel numbers, currently the USA averages 14MPG and that is because of all the poor folks in used cars on the road.

Where do you get your numbers from?
I found a NY Times article [nytimes.com] that said this:
"The average on-road fuel economy of all vehicles in 1923 was 14 m.p.g., the report said, compared with 17.4 m.p.g. as recently as 2008."

Now, the only reason for low fuel economy averages are large trucks/SUVs.
They drag the averages down for everyone, though the new 6-cylinder models have lessened that effect.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134717)

You're an idiot. You lump a Prius and Leaf in the same category as having a $20,000 battery pack when one is 10x the size of the other?

You're right that they don't make economic sense right now, but batteries have made huge strides in the last 10 years. A hybrid battery may cost $2-3,000 to replace, but the equivalent amount of power os available in better batteries for ~$800.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

DrFalkyn (102068) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134759)

Uany economist will tell you its the used car market that seriously hurts our fossil fuel numbers, currently the USA averages 14MPG and that is because of all the poor folks in used cars on the road.

No, its because of all the trucks, SUVs and otherwise inefficient cars on the road. I just bought a used 1996 Toyota Carolla with 230k miles on it. I checked my gas mileage (mixed city/freeway) at 26 MPG on my last fill up.

My friend who drives a 2008? BMW M3 told me gets 23 MPG.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | about a year and a half ago | (#43135235)

The BMW isn't really comparable - it's a performance car. A real comparison would be the other 3-series models, which run 28+.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134985)

Ah yes. Because in the US, the oil companies receive no subsidies. No depreciation allowances, no US military as bodyguard, none of that.

Fuck off.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134237)

I think they are just called "gas hybrids" here in Sweden when they are actually biogas hybrids and hydrogen hybrids when they are hydrogen gas hybrids, or something such. Which doesn't make any sense either.

Personally for me though I was wondering whatever it was actually running on gas of any sort which would be different for a Ferrari or whatever it was running on gasoline. I don't think "gas-hydrid" tell (for me), gasoline-hybrid would. So I had to check it up. Whatever it was obvious or not for everyone else I don't know.

I don't really understand why there's two different words used in different "styles" of English/countries both using English ("I speak American damnit!" ;D)

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134267)

given it's a Euro manufactured car it was a reasonable confusion since we actually use the word gas to mean gas...

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43135105)

The parent is a troll, but I'm thankful that the patronizing author didn't us the term 'USians'.

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

rossdee (243626) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133915)

The summary was translated into American, as were the performance figures (of course most slashdoters should know that 186 miles is 300 kilometres because of c

The thing is can you plug it in and use it for short distances on just electric?

Re:Not a gas-hybrid (1)

gagol (583737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134083)

The thing is can you plug it in and use it for short distances on just electric?

No, now go back and RTFA.

my first time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133803)

My first contact with fisting was, of course, in San Francisco. I was out on the coast for a round of job interviews in the Bar area. My fluffy-sweater acquaintances in Cincinnati had scoped out the territory the previous summer and were full of dire warnings about South of Market in general and The Hothouse in particular, so of course that was the first place I headed. Now, fisting wasn't exactly a deep, dark mystery to me...somewhere along the line I had acquired the book from the movie classic "Erotic Hands" and I'd been jerking off to that for quite a while. You might say I was into the concept if not the reality.

Well, The Hothouse was everything I had been warned it was...humpy dudes wandering around in body harnesses leading their slaves on leashes, the whole trip. I nearly came when I walked into the shower room hunkered down on a plastic hose while he sucked his buddy's oversize cock. I checked out the sling rooms, but I spent most of the night doing conventional if rougher-than-usual sex.

Re:my first time (0)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133819)

True story: I was eating chocolate ice-cream while reading this story.

Can't wait. (1)

RNLockwood (224353) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133805)

Can't wait until I pull onto a freeway with one of these, driven by an idiot, suddenly is spotted in my rear view mirror fish-tailing and spinning towards me as the driver attempts to slow down and miss me. It'll be the experience of a lifetime. Of course I may not see this for the rest of my life.

Re:Can't wait. (4, Funny)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133845)

Can't wait until I pull onto a freeway with one of these, driven by an idiot, suddenly is spotted in my rear view mirror fish-tailing and spinning towards me as the driver attempts to slow down and miss me. It'll be the experience of a lifetime. Of course I may not see this for the rest of my life.

If you do see it, it's likely to be for the rest of your life.

Re:Can't wait. (4, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133853)

Massively overpowered cars don't fishtail and spin anymore - at least they don't need to unless the owners choose to turn off the electronics. In the last 5 years, I've watched the motorcycle magazines shift from being very leery of fly-by-wire (or even fuel injection, 10 years ago), to dismissing aging models based mainly on the inferiority or lack of traction control, wheelie control, ABS, and dynamic throttle response. Now real-time suspension tuning is the big thing. Ferrari is obviously deep into F1 where the allowable degree of automation is a matter of constant debate and rule changes every year, so their street cars probably have more electronic control than their race cars do.

Re:Can't wait. (0)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133945)

They don't? [jalopnik.com] Or perhaps the driver had turned off the electronics.

Re:Can't wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134007)

Covered in depth. Turned off the nannies, rand new car with mostt likely the brand new rubber on them with armor all from the dealer, and in the rain...

Re:Can't wait. (3, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134045)

Massively overpowered cars don't fishtail and spin anymore

That depends on how much cough syrup Justin Bieber and his pals have been chugging.

Many massively overpowered cars suffer from the mechanical fault of a loose nut behind the steering wheel, where the drivers have more money than driving skills.

Re:Can't wait. (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year and a half ago | (#43135079)

That depends on how much cough syrup Justin Bieber

Don't you talk bad about Justin Bieber.

Re:Can't wait. (2)

adolf (21054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134581)

Assuming that the steering wheel is (eventually) mechanically connected to the tie rods, and that the electronics cannot add unrequested throttle: Any car can suffer from throttle-lift-induced oversteer in a long turn, or the beginning sequence of the Scandinavian Flick, and unexpectedly be flung wildly out of control with an unprepared driver.

I dare say that this is do-able on any surface, even with the most front-heavy FWD car you can get your hands on.

It really has nothing at all to do with being massively-overpowered, and everything to do with the fact that they're still just cars that ride on 4 wheels. Neither fancy automatic braking, nor throttle reduction, nor magic transmissions, nor AWD, nor instantaneously self-adjusting suspensions will fix the two (related) scenarios that I describe above.

In other words: Put an idiot into a car that "can't spin," and he'll do it anyway, same as a decent driver who is putting effort into making it happen. This shouldn't be surprising (and really has nothing to do with the reluctance of the motorcycle press to accept technological change).

Weight transfer FTW.

Re:Can't wait. (5, Funny)

0111 1110 (518466) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133871)

Can't wait until I pull onto a freeway with one of these, driven by an idiot

So you claim to be an idiot then?

Re:Can't wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133939)

hahaha yeah he probably should have worded that better.

Re:Can't wait. (1)

adolf (21054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134243)

So you claim to be an idiot then?

You've heard that Porsche owners are compensating for something.

Perhaps driving a Ferrari on the freeway turns you into an idiot, just as owning a Porsche makes your dick fall off at the very moment that you finish up the paperwork.

(I would not want to be the person responsible for picking up all of the cast-off penises at the Porsche dealer, but if I were I'd not own anything better than a Chevy, just to be safe.)

Re:Can't wait. (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134537)

I've never heard that, but I have heard that people who drive trucks: pickups, SUVs etc are compensating for the size of their equipment. People with small cars don't seem to compensating for anything.

Re:Can't wait. (1)

adolf (21054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134675)

I think folks with ridiculous and useless pickups (useless around here, anyway: this is flat country), with lift kits and silly-huge tires, and exhaust stacks run up through the bed suffer from a different sort of malady: Their equipment might be fine, but they're so obese that they haven't been able to see it for themselves in years.

Re:Can't wait. (1)

CncRobot (2849261) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134017)

Next best thing [break.com]

Re:Can't wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134033)

Money buys a lot of things, but one thing it doesn't seem to cover is common sense. Shame that cars this expensive don't come with a three year contract with a professional driver paid in advance. (If you can afford a Ferrari, then it shouldn't be a problem to pay $60K a year for somebody that actually knows what they're doing when it comes to driving.) Also such a program would help the car retain its value a lot better as it's less likely to get wrapped around a tree because some football player or celeb wants to show it to their friends after clubbing and being sky high and/or drunk off their ass while texting on a cellphone. (Those kind of people seem to make the new every other year or so, but you wont see me shedding any tears over them. Then again those overpaid Darwin Award winners are probably doing society a favor.)

Re:Can't wait. (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134241)

You think people buy Ferraris because they're in a hurry? The point is to drive it oneself. You know, for fun.

Worlds most thirsty hybrid (0)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133859)

At 14L/100km... and can't run in electric-only mode because they don't want it to, even though it technically could and the prototypes did.
It's not really a hybrid. It's a super-car with KERS.
Also, this was reported last week.

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (1)

mister2au (1707664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133929)

Its a grey area, but I'd call it a hybrid due to:

The 60 kilogram battery pack in the cabin floor is charged during braking and also when the gas engine is producing more torque than needed to move the car, in which case that torque is converted to energy and stored.

It is not just KERS and it is electrical not mechanical ... IMHO, a hybrid but barely so ... although i understand other peoples definitions given it cant run electric only

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134259)

At 14L/100km

For a 6.2 Litre engine, that is not thirsty.

We're going to see a few more of these soon, Honda are releasing a hybrid NSX and Toyota are releasing a hybrid Supra. Its kind of sad to see these venerable sports cars being turned into hybrids.

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134709)

Then you have never driven or ridden in a properly built electric car then. The acceleration blows the ICE cars away. Sports cars will be turned more and more into electric cars and be amazing. It is tough giving up the roar of the ICE though. It's so much a part of the mystique and drama associated with the muscle car.

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#43135017)

The acceleration blows the ICE cars away

Then you haven't driven any sports cars then.

A supercharged/turbocharged (such as a TSI) will accelerate a lot faster. Hell, even naturally aspirated engines will hold their own.

Not to mention the cost of the increased weight on handling. But you compared muscle cars to sports cars, there's a world of difference between the two. Muscle cars are designed to go fast in a straight line but you can forget about corners, sports cars are designed for speed and handling.

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (2)

edremy (36408) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134733)

Why? Seems to me to be a good idea- electric motors have gobs of torque even at standstill (Hence the use in locomotives) Why not put a second engine in that performs best where the V12 is at its worst? So long as you can keep the weight of the system down enough it should be a big win.

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (2)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134991)

Why? Seems to me to be a good idea- electric motors have gobs of torque even at standstill (Hence the use in locomotives) Why not put a second engine in that performs best where the V12 is at its worst? So long as you can keep the weight of the system down enough it should be a big win.

Because sports cars are meant to be light and have good handling. Sports cars typically have low torque because of their low weight.

Re:Worlds most thirsty hybrid (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134273)

Just skip the batteries and do a gasoline engine powering a generator which run water hydrolysis which combust hydrogen gas and oxygen which run a generator which run an electric motor and you've got yourself a gasoline-water/hydrogen and oxygen-hybrid!! With really poor performance per gallon values. AWESOME! (Feel free to throw in a pump, a dam, a boiler, a condensator, a water fall and a turbine to for good measure)

In this case however it's likely less about consumption and more about torque or possibly a combination of the two.

"Aimed at our collectors.." (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133869)

..nuff said.

1000 hp of Postage Stamp, disappearing under a dustsheet in some collectors exclusive lockup garage near you soon.

Re:"Aimed at our collectors.." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133949)

The benefit for Ferrari here is they don't need it to perform exceptionally well or have it be reliable with constant use.

As long as it doesn't catch on fire on the way to, or back from, the local café....

Re:"Aimed at our collectors.." (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134025)

Collectors

Who are they kidding? This might as well be a one-off for Jay Leno.

Re:"Aimed at our collectors.." (3, Funny)

guacamole (24270) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134301)

I am sure we'll see a few pictures of these crashed by spoiled sons of Russian oligarchs and Saudi princes.

Must wear Leisure Suit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133919)

The Laferrari? Really?

Looks meh to me (1)

PeDRoRist (639207) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133931)

Even the name sounds cheesy. The tech behind all this is probably nothing to scoff at, but the looks are just not what I used to like about Ferrari. I'll have a 250 GTO over this anyday (yeah that's more than 10 times the price, I know)

Re:Looks meh to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134001)

Even the name sounds cheesy.

Sure, unless you're Italian.

I wonder what kind of car maker thinks in Italian and has a customer base that doesn't actually give a crap about the name anyway.

For Londoners (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133947)

It will exempt from road tax and congestion charging :)

Re:For Londoners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134461)

Imagine the size and propensity of attachment of a traffic ticket for that thing, assuming the 0.00001% status of the owner.

Corrections for your title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43133965)

It isn't the world's fastest hybrid, it isn't even verified if it is the world's fastest production (The McLaren P1 will likely claim that title) and hybrid race cars have existed since 2003 with Courage Competitions and Pescarolo's various hybrid LMP2 and LMP1 race cars. Also KERS has been in Formula One cars for quite a while. The McLaren P1 may be more expensive as well.

Gas mileage (5, Funny)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about a year and a half ago | (#43133981)

Odd that neither linked story tells us what kind of gas mileage to expect. I'd hate to buy one of these and then find out I can't afford to drive it.

Cheers,
Dave

Re:Gas mileage (0)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134031)

When it comes to the cost of fuelling a Ferrari, if you have to ask you can't afford it.

That whooshing sound... (5, Funny)

WallaceAndGromit (910755) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134473)

...was not a hybrid Ferrari going past.

Re:Gas mileage (1)

Ezubaric (464724) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134145)

When I first heard about this, I googled a news report that said 16mpg (cannot remember if Yank or British mpg). I cannot be arsed to find the link now, though.

Re:Gas mileage (5, Interesting)

adolf (21054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134469)

16MPG? That sounds fairly excellent for such a beastly machine that can actually generate downforce (which can never happen for free).

Even cooling this thing must be a drag (literally), and the big tires themselves eat huge amounts of energy just in overcoming rolling resistance. Everything about the car (including the hybrid aspect, which seems more about performance than economy) seems to indicate that it should be very, very thirsty.

For a totally unfair comparison: My old straight-6 BMW averages about 20MPG with somewhat-spirited mixed driving, and gets about 26 on the highway (it used to be a bit better on the highway, but the diff gearing is currently "wrong" due to other changes). It's got a reasonable drag coefficient, doesn't generate meaningful downforce, cooling it is fairly easy since there is nowhere near as much waste heat, the tires are not so big nor nearly so sticky, and it has far less than half as many functional moving parts (and around 1/5th the power of the Ferrari).

At 16MPG, if that is indeed the number, it sounds like they've done a wonderful job with efficiency: It is certainly not a concept that was cast to the wind when they designed it.

Re:Gas mileage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134277)

If money is any concern you may also want to ask how much it will cost to fix a bumper when a shopping cart dings it in the parking lot.

As a guess, probably more than both my cars combined.

Re:Gas mileage (1)

Flere Imsaho (786612) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134283)

Just a guess from looking at the interior shots, but this is a track-day car and isn't for daily commutes. It has that spartan low-weight-is-everything look to it. I doubt gas mileage will be of concern to owners.

Re:Gas mileage (1)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134831)

Ah, so I guess getting some snow tires is probably out of the question. Too bad. We just got about 8 inches of snow on Saturday.

Maybe I could keep for summer driving. I wonder if there is an option for a trailer hitch....

Cheers,
Dave

Re:Gas mileage (1)

DFurno2003 (739807) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134887)

mod this +6 funny plz k thx bai

Re:Gas mileage (1)

Discopete (316823) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134955)

If you can afford 1 of the 499 that they are planning on producing, I'm pretty sure you don't give a rats behind what the gas mileage is.

Re:Gas mileage (1)

smi.james.th (1706780) | about a year and a half ago | (#43135335)

Ferrari's hypercars are super exclusive. If you were buying one of the 499 that they're making, they would have already contacted you to let you know ;)

Incidentally, IIRC, this isn't like a regular hybrid in that you can let it run on the electric motor alone, that would turn the engine off which would defeat the point of a V12 Ferrari. It's basically just an upgraded F1-KERS system. I guess the engine might turn off in stop-start traffic, but other than that, no.

Finally Top Gear can love a Hybrid (1)

chuckugly (2030942) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134009)

Maybe Jeremy won't hate this one. Then again, it's not likely to be all that economical so not gonna get into the diamond lane without a second person.

Re:Finally Top Gear can love a Hybrid (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134281)

I wouldn't be so sure about it.

Also, Tesla Roadster:
http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-reviews-tesla-roadster_206233.htm [streetfire.net]

Re:Finally Top Gear can love a Hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134335)

I'm not Jeremy Clarkson but... The Tesla Roadster isn't a hybrid, or comparable in any way really to a 1000hp track day Ferrari.

They both have four wheels I guess.

(I am quite interested in the Model S on the other hand.)

Re:Finally Top Gear can love a Hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43135101)

(I am quite interested in the Model S on the other hand.)

I'm more interested in the Ferrari than the Model S. The technology behind the Ferrari will have a greater change of winning Le Mans than the Tesla.

Re:Finally Top Gear can love a Hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134375)

Why would you mix economical with high performance ferrari? It's hybrid because of higher torque, not becuse of economy ffs.

Re:Finally Top Gear can love a Hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43135037)

Finally car companies made a hybrid worth loving.

Brenda Lee coming on strong (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134021)

The road has got me hypnotized. ...
(one more radar lover gone).

combined rating (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134161)

so um for them to be combined they have to work in tandem right?

for a computer analogy (since the article is on cars) its like saying my 2GHZ server on the other side of the house combined with my 4Ghz quad core means I have a 6Ghz computer, even though my server is working its ass off on demand, while my quad core sits there with a thumb up its ass showing a copy dialog box

Re:combined rating (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about a year and a half ago | (#43135059)

There are three motors, one driving the electronics (like an alternator) and two putting power to the wheels. The wheels don't care how they get powered, and neither does the rolling road used to measure HP/BHP (derived).

And no, your analogy isn't quite right. HP is a measure of power, just like FLOPs ( not GHZ). It would be equivalent to saying you have a 1 TFLOP server, and a 2 TFLOP server, and given a task that has a combined output for both (like the rear wheels) have 3TFLOP of computing power.

How the fuck is this "News for nerds"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134217)

Slashdot has gone from News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters to just giving "Slashvertisements" that only appeal to the sheeple like Joe Sixpack that go "Ooooh, shiny" over every little marketing gimmick in the attempt to keep up with the Joneses. Unless the item is somehow used to compile the latest Linux Kernel, setup a home network, backup a server, or anything else that appeals to nerds it has no business being on Slashdot let alone on the front page of Slashdot.

Captcha is perfect, Idolatry. The sheeple idolize whatever the mass media tells them to idolize.

never (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43134279)

Never have I seen, on this site, so many people reading TFA.

Hmmm... (1)

olip85 (1770514) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134347)

So a 800hp gas engine coupled with a 163hp electric motor is a hybrid. I'll put a battery and a small fan on my two-stroke lawnmower for when it's hot and I'll have a hybrid too.

gaming the rules.... (1)

smash (1351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134367)

Ferrari now get to slap a green "hybrid vehicle" sticker on la Ferrari, even though it likely gets about 10 mpg. It's not REALLY in the spirit of it, is it.

Re:gaming the rules.... (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134653)

Is there any mention of being green? I figured the sole purpose was for the extra 163hp, and because they can.

Re:gaming the rules.... (1)

Nelson (1275) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134911)

They can. They have to in F1.

This, the P1 and the new Porsche 918 use electrics because of the insane torque... They are upfront about it, a Ferrari is about performance, not green.

Can I drive this ... (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#43134467)

... in the carpool lane? On account of it being a hybrid vehicle.

Finally a car that can sprint like a cheetah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43135053)

Cheetah also == "0 - 60 mph in under three seconds"

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