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Apple Bringing Second Lawsuit To Samsung, Won't Wait For Appeal

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the history-repeating dept.

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sl4shd0rk writes "Hot on the heels of last year's Apple win over Samsung, Apple is geared up for its second attempt at knocking Samsung's alleged copy-cat products off the store shelves. District Judge Lucy Koh asked both parties if they could stay the new case while the first one goes up on Appeal. Apple denied citing a delay would "seriously and irreparably prejudice Apple." The company "will likely suffer a long-term loss of market share and of downstream sales". Samsung replied with a statement saying "Apple will be unable to meet its burden of proving infringement without resorting to the same improper 'representative product' strategy," [that shouldn't have been allowed in the first case.] Although some may think this is a good move for business on Apple's part, some claim the litigation is responsible for Apple's dipping sales and stock prices as well as Increased visibility of Samsung. In the end however, all this litigation is most likely going to be shouldered on the pocketbook of the consumer'"

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239 comments

Apple is over (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43141933)

They just don't know it yet.

Re:Apple is over (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142279)

As long as they're ripping off iOS features it would be nice if Android manufactures would copy Apple's policy of providing reliable system updates for several years. And no, Cynanogen doesn't count.

Re:Apple is over (3, Informative)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about a year ago | (#43142309)

You probably live in America and cant tell a carrier from a manufacturer. Here in Europe, we get frequent (more than one a month) updates to our Samsung Android phones from good carriers.

Re:Apple is over (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142361)

You probably live in America and cant tell a carrier from a manufacturer. Here in Europe, we get frequent (more than one a month) updates to our Samsung Android phones from good carriers.

Yes, here in the US we're saddled with crappy carriers and huge early termination fees if we try to switch when we get fed up with their craptastic service. And tethering is a separate charge. And, and, and ... but moving to another country just to get better cell service isn't a reasonable solution. We need pitch forks and torches.

Re:Apple is over (1, Flamebait)

macbeth66 (204889) | about a year ago | (#43142761)

Yes, here in the US we're saddled with crappy carriers and huge early termination fees if we try to switch when we get fed up with their craptastic service. And tethering is a separate charge. And, and, and ... but moving to another country just to get better cell service isn't a reasonable solution. We need pitch forks and torches.

Termination fees? What's that? Oh, yeah, the fees you agreed to, to get that great rate on the phone. Now that the bloom is off the phone, you want out. Sorry, NO sympathy.

The rest, I agree with.

Re:Apple is over (4, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | about a year ago | (#43142889)

It isn't even a great rate.

AT&T provides you with a $300 discount at most on a phone. If you compare their plans to a similar Straight Talk plan, you are paying a MINIMUM of $300/year penalty for the subsidy. A typical replacement period is 2 years, early upgrades start for many at 18 months.

So you are paying a minimum of $150 extra for an inferior device.

Re:Apple is over (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142399)

You probably live in America and cant tell a carrier from a manufacturer. Here in Europe, we get frequent (more than one a month) updates to our Samsung Android phones from good carriers.

http://product.buythistoday.info/

Re:Apple is over (2)

Applekid (993327) | about a year ago | (#43142633)

As long as they're ripping off iOS features it would be nice if Android manufactures would copy Apple's policy of providing reliable system updates for several years. And no, Cynanogen doesn't count.

Hear hear. I had an unpleasant shock when Google decided to drop support for the Nexus S the day the Nexus 4 was announced, even though it has several outstanding reboot bugs.

Re:Apple is over (3, Insightful)

homey of my owney (975234) | about a year ago | (#43142557)

Right. In the same way that Exxon is over, though they too just don't know it yet.

Unless either of them come up with another way to make money after their huge cash cows are done.

what happened to not wanting to sue? (5, Insightful)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#43141953)

I thought the sitting CEO said he never wanted to sue to begin with, that the case was already in play when jobs died. If that were true, why a new lawsuit??

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43141997)

Because they're all psychopaths who lie constantly even without themselves noticing?

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43142015)

Point of fact: you believed a press release. Don't ever do that. Doesn't matter who said it, when, where, or how. If they said it in a press release, their intent is to trick you somehow.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#43142025)

I never believed it, I was simply pointing out that publicly, cook said this, and now he is going in the opposite direction. But I do agree with your point.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (0)

michael_rendier (2601249) | about a year ago | (#43142209)

Well then i see a future for Tim Cook in politics if you ask me...

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142055)

The CEO is perfectly capable of saying enough is enough. But was he actually telling the truth, or was it nothing more than PR as Apple's stock spirals down at an alarming rate, as well as hit consumers jaded by iSomething +=1 every year?

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142095)

1) Apple
2) shareholders
3) Apple

They only care about their public image to the generic morons who buy their products.
They don't care what smart people think.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142447)

Generic? Isn't Samsung generic? They copied the iPhone

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142933)

Generic?

Yes, it's the most common smartphone in the world, if you want to follow the herd that's the one to buy.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142153)

I thought the sitting CEO said he never wanted to sue to begin with, that the case was already in play when jobs died. If that were true, why a new lawsuit??

*gasp* Clearly, this means the spirit of The Almighty Jobs is using Cook as His avatar! PRAISE BE TO THE AVATAR OF THE iALMIGHTY! PRAISE BE!

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (4, Insightful)

knarf (34928) | about a year ago | (#43142197)

Because truth is something malleable. The higher up you look, the more malleable it becomes. Go all the way to the top and the concept of truth becomes so malleable as to lose all meaning.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142329)

They said they were going to 'go thermonuclear' on Google. So far Chief Dickhead died of Magical Thinking (TM), and with a much less charismatic (Steve who?) guy in charge, Apple is slowly but surely losing market share to rivals. So yeah, it'll be lawsuits all the way down, because they've burned the advantage they had and have nothing else to offer except for slightly more expensive, slightly less impressive smartphones than the Android-based manufacturers can offer.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (3, Interesting)

Cockatrice_hunter (1777856) | about a year ago | (#43142505)

Not wanting to sue to begin with was probably due to the PR involved and bad inter-company relations (Samsung used to supply... screens?). Having won the last lawsuit to the tune of $1B, means that while he didn't really support the orignal lawsuit he's perfectly ok with other money making courthouse shinanegans.

Re:what happened to not wanting to sue? (2, Funny)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43142751)

Apple and SCO should join forces. Or, Apple should hire all of SCO's legal representatives. They need experience!

Unappealing (3, Funny)

Laxori666 (748529) | about a year ago | (#43141981)

These lawsuits are really affecting my decision to but a new iPhone. I just don't want to support such business practices. On the other hand the iPhone 5 is super shiny... decisions, decisions.

Re:Unappealing (4, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year ago | (#43142167)

These lawsuits are really affecting my decision to but a new iPhone. I just don't want to support such business practices. On the other hand the iPhone 5 is super shiny... decisions, decisions.

Confused about which smartphone OS to buy? Why not get both??

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/03/goophone-iphone5s-knockoff/ [wired.com]

Re:Unappealing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142173)

Wait till Thursday and then you can preorder the Galaxy S4.

Re:Unappealing (3, Interesting)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year ago | (#43142195)

The iPhone 5 is not that good. The Galaxy S3 is far superior, and chances are we will have GS4 before we have any other iPhone.

Re:Unappealing (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142317)

The funny thing is that the Nexus 4 is even better than the S3, and even without LTE it's way better than my old iPhone 5 that I upgraded from. Unless the iPhone 5s/6 break some seriously new ground to catch up in all the areas where Android is better (and the list increases every day) Apple is fucked.

Re:Unappealing (2)

dimeglio (456244) | about a year ago | (#43142369)

The iPhone 5 is in fact quite good. Zero lag and extremely stable. However, if you like to tinker and install ROMs and rice-up your phone, don't get one.

Re:Unappealing (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142409)

Or if you like being able to get your music and pictures and notes off your phone. Also a good reason to get an Android phone.

Re:Unappealing (-1)

iamhassi (659463) | about a year ago | (#43142511)

I want a phone that works, where I can easily buy billions of apps and new songs and movies instantly. Last thing I want to do is hack my phone, everything else in my life is hacked enough. So iPhone it is. Maybe if I was a kid and this was my only device hacking it would be fun, but with cars and computers and tablets and consoles and tvs and a house all hacked I want one thing to just work. Maybe in a few years android will get better and they'll fix the fragmentation problems but right now even a 2009 iPhone runs the latest ios 6.1.2

Re:Unappealing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142619)

If it's good enough for my parents and my grandparents, it's good enough for me, dammit! iPhone it is!

Re:Unappealing (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year ago | (#43142693)

You are right, having to jailbreak your phone to make it functional is too troublesome. One more reason not to buy an iPhone.

Re:Unappealing (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about a year ago | (#43142929)

Yup. Older non-Nexus Android devices were crap, and unfortunately, many still are.

Nexus devices Just Work, and also, Sony's newer devices have the most polished manufacturer skins I've ever seen. The Xperia T's stock firmware was one of the most solid packages I'd ever used (blew Touchwizz out of the water with a nuclear-tipped torpedo...) The Xperia Z's firmware is simply amazing. They've come a long way since the X10.

Re:Unappealing (1)

Githaron (2462596) | about a year ago | (#43142755)

Have you used a modern Android? While its easier to "tinker" in Android than iOS, it is not necessary for the average individual. Android is nice on its own.

Re:Unappealing (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43142817)

"Last thing I want to do is hack my phone,"

Hacking together your system can be a pain - whether it's your desktop, your workstation, laptop, or phone. But, all the same, your sentence comes across as "I just want what I want, and I don't expect to put any work into it." Sadly, the carriers aren't going to give that to any of us. You take what they offer, or you hack away at it. Waiting for them to offer what you really want means you'll never get what you want.

And, I hope you're actively "hacking" Congress and the White House on phone issues. And, that silly Librarian of Congress. Tell them what we want - Everything that Europeans enjoy, and more, at half the price. Someone is snuggled up to your congress critter right now, whispering sweet nothings in his ear about Telco profits. You need to be screaming into his other ear, telling him that you won't stand for it!

Re:Unappealing (3, Insightful)

LodCrappo (705968) | about a year ago | (#43142647)

there are plenty of reasons besides tinkering that Android is vastly more popular than iOS. In fact such activity is relatively rare on the Android platform, after all it is the most widely used smartphone platform in the world so it has certainly found favor far beyond some group of techies.

Some examples of reasons that people are choosing Android:

some people like to have a variety of choices in what their phone looks like
some people prefer a more powerful environment
some people like to stand out in a crowd rather than blending in
some people prefer not to allow a massive corporation to censor the content and applications they are allowed to use
etc...

Re:Unappealing (1)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about a year ago | (#43142721)

some people like to stand out in a crowd rather than blending in

By getting the most widely used smartphone platform?

Re:Unappealing (2)

LodCrappo (705968) | about a year ago | (#43142787)

some people like to stand out in a crowd rather than blending in

By getting the most widely used smartphone platform?

With hundreds of different devices in all shapes and sizes, yes. Much easier than "thinking different" on a platform that allows one manufacturer who releases one model.

Re:Unappealing (1)

iamhassi (659463) | about a year ago | (#43142605)

Ya but how much longer is Samsung going to run android? [cnet.com] What will all the android users buy when Samsung no longer make android phones?

Re:Unappealing (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year ago | (#43142733)

Don't be fooled by stupid FUDs. They would have to be insane to abandon a market where they are the top brand and extremely popular. A market they are taking from Apple and where they gain more and more ground as time passes. Samsung is stuck with Android for good. They may make phones with other OS, but their top flags with most likely run Android for a long long time.

Re:Unappealing (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | about a year ago | (#43142277)

Most Apple fans [thedistrac...etwork.com] are super shiny.

Re:Unappealing (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43142853)

That's little better than goatse, dude. Jeeezus!

Re:Unappealing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142321)

Was in your shoes not too long ago. Wait for s4. I went for note2 for its bigger screen. No offence... but Apple isn't really innovating... it just repackaging and reselling year after year.

Re:Unappealing (4, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year ago | (#43142407)

On the other hand the iPhone 5 is super shiny...

So are many fishing lures.

Re:Unappealing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142451)

Yes, but does it run Linu^H^H^H^H iOS?

Re:Unappealing (0)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about a year ago | (#43142719)

Apple might be sue-happy, and they might use Foxconn, which has questionable labor practices, but Samsung is far more evil, Google helps dictators, Nokia was selling telecoms spying infrastructure to Syria...

Just pick the best phone for you. You will never find a cell phone manufacturer that actually is lily-white. Strangely enough, if you dig deeply enough into any of the phone makers, you'll find that Apple probably is the least offensive of the lot.

Re:Unappealing (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#43142891)

If Apple's business practices are affecting your decision, you may want to educate yourself on some of Samsung's business practices. Make sure you read through it all, rather than assuming that the first part is indicative of the rest, since the shady stuff doesn't really start until about halfway through the article.

Cant compete... litigate (4, Insightful)

Chrono11901 (901948) | about a year ago | (#43141993)

The standard procedure of a large company in decline.

Samsung should make a commercial out of this.

Re:Cant compete... litigate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142233)

You're using that word "decline" but I don't think you know what it means.

Re:Cant compete... litigate (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142287)

I'm pretty sure (s)he does know what it means:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=AAPL [stockcharts.com]

Re:Cant compete... litigate (-1)

iamhassi (659463) | about a year ago | (#43142573)

Might wanna check your graph, you are reading it wrong http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=AAPL&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p11011415654 [stockcharts.com]

Re:Cant compete... litigate (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142681)

hrm... maybe I am... so let's check.

Can I intrest you in calls with a strike price of 650?

Re:Cant compete... litigate (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142295)

Microsoft used their market power to create a monopoly, instead of creating better products. MS has been in decline for 10 or 12 years, and continues to create inferior products, yet still acts like a monopoly.

Apple has followed the MS model.

Apple is in a state of stagnation and decline, which was and is predictable.

The market for open technology products is swamping the closed technology markets, with the inevitable results.

Consumers will benefit in the end.

Re:Cant compete... litigate (0)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year ago | (#43142495)

Samsung should make a commercial out of this.

With the amount that Samsung spends on advertising, it will sooner or later.

I really wish I had a time machine. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142007)

I really wish I had a time machine. So I could show this to the Apple fanboys in the 90s - back when if you pointed out ANY criticism of Apple you'd get mod'ed down to oblivion and a shitload of comments like - "bu..bu..but Microsoft!"

Listen folks, attaching yourself (identity) to anything, let alone some corporation's products, will lead to heartbreak.

*expecting some smug comments from FOSS people now.*

Re:I really wish I had a time machine. (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#43142713)

These days, I'd be more inclined to expect a 3D-printed Arduino phone.

Re:I really wish I had a time machine. (4, Informative)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43142935)

I'm smug, thank you.

Back in the day, suggesting that ANY *nix variant might dominate ANY market other than servers would have had the whole world laughing at you.*

*cue the clueless who don't understand that Android is really a hacked Linux - yes, hacked, like it was meant to be. Need Linux to do something new and different? Just take it and make it do what you need!

Editors: "it's" vs. "it is" (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142009)

Dear Editors (samzenpus?),

Please consider changing the first line of the submission. It should read, "Apple is geared up for *its* second attempt".

Remember the golden rule: "it's" always expands to "it is". No exceptions.

Love,
A reader

Re:Editors: "it's" vs. "it is" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142187)

With Slashdot its a matter of whos doing the editing, whichs more to the point. Remember this is about Apple vs Samsung so all gloves are off, its not a rational discourse where grammar helps clarify things.

Re:Editors: "it's" vs. "it is" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142311)

Dont you mean "glove's"? Kid's these day's! no education ...

Re:Editors: "it's" vs. "it is" (5, Funny)

blind monkey 3 (773904) | about a year ago | (#43142377)

Remember the golden rule: "it's" always expands to "it is". No exceptions.

It's been a wet summer.(contraction of it has).
Grammar Nazi smackdown.

Re:Editors: "it's" vs. "it is" (2)

WillgasM (1646719) | about a year ago | (#43142653)

While we're at it, why are contractions only viable for 2 words? What about it'lln't, I'd've, wouldn't've, I'ven't, and the like. Language needs to catch up with my boundless laziness.

Re:Editors: "it's" vs. "it is" (1)

WillgasM (1646719) | about a year ago | (#43142599)

Everyone knows ' is the universal symbol for "here come's an S"

Excellent timing, Apple! (4, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year ago | (#43142035)

Just in time for the release of the Samsung Galaxy S IV! I think the product launch can use any extra visibility that Apple is willing to give.

In other news, Apple has decided to upgrade their own-foot-shooting shotgun to fully automatic. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Excellent timing, Apple! (1)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year ago | (#43142093)

Ironically, the USAS-12 was developed and is produced by a South Korean company.

I'm sure Apple has a patent for that.

Re:Excellent timing, Apple! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142133)

In other news, Apple has decided to upgrade their own-foot-shooting shotgun to fully automatic. [wikipedia.org]

and belt fed... [youtube.com]

Re:Excellent timing, Apple! (1)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year ago | (#43142419)

and belt fed...

Very impressive! But I think Apple will skip it and in the new upgrade to their foot self-shooting, go directly to shotgun artillery. [globalsecurity.org]

Don't ask the lawyers (4, Funny)

Intropy (2009018) | about a year ago | (#43142119)

The Judge asked Apple's lawyers, "Can stay the new case while the first one goes up on Appeal?" The only question they heard was "Do you want more or fewer billable hours?"

Re:Don't ask the lawyers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142461)

Apple's legal team doesn't have any billable hours, they are on salary.

Re:Don't ask the lawyers (4, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | about a year ago | (#43142539)

Apple's legal team doesn't have any billable hours, they are on salary.

No, Apple's legal team for the case (from the firm of Gibson, Dunne & Crutcher, LLP) are not in-house, salaries staff.

it's (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142175)

jesus christ. an hero, slashdot editors.

learn to fucking write.

Re:it's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142337)

Youre an hass.

CEO's who spend more of their time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142179)

with lawyers than they do with engineers trying to figure out the next thing we don't know we want yet. Inevitably, their distraction is a signal for concern for what they have rather than what could be.

Samsung's visibility (4, Informative)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#43142183)

...as well as Increased visibility of Samsung.

Samsung's visibility has a lot more to do with the fact that they spend gajillions of dollars on advertising [asymco.com] than with any of the lawsuits they're involved in. Hell, they're spending more than Apple, HP, Dell, and Microsoft combined when it comes to advertising. And then, on top of that they're spending about the same amount again on sales promotions. Billions upon billions of dollars.

If you're a company that wants visibility, that's one way you can do it. That's how they did it. It's working for them. You'd have to willfully choose to ignore the obvious if you're seriously suggesting that these lawsuits that only niche communities are even aware of and concerned with are in any way responsible for a significant increase in the visibility of Samsung.

Re:Samsung's visibility (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142251)

Shhh, this is Slashdot, where you have to pick which multibillion dollar corporation you best feel represents you as a person and the defend them to the death.

Re:Samsung's visibility (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#43142791)

That can definitely be true. Even so, there are still a number of folks here who are good about listening to reason on both sides, which is one of the reasons I like Slashdot and its community still. Facts are still facts, after all, and even though I'm an Apple fanboy, I do my best to avoid being a rabid one that responds without thinking critically (cue the tired joke about all Apple fans being brainless sheep), and likewise, there are a number of folks on the other side who are perfectly reasonable.

Just as I can readily acknowledge and agree that Apple has a number of faults and has done a lot of bad things (e.g. engage in frivolous lawsuits, pursue patents far too aggressively, blatantly rip-off competitors (including one-man shops with great ideas, such as what they did with Sherlock, Dashboard, and their Notification Center), etc.), I'd hope that most Samsung fans would be willing to do the same for their company of choice (e.g. understand that the company is involved in some extremely shady business dealings, such as passing millions of dollars worth of cash under the table to South Korean politicians, political candidates, and court officials; using their government and corporate ties to enforce censorship against journalists trying to bring light to their activities; engaging in large-scale nepotism; having their chairman's house raided for tax evasion and financial wrongdoing related to the slush funds; and then later having their chairmen's sentence and prison time pardoned by the government so that he could help with their bid for the Olympics, not to mention some of the funnier things they've done [allthingsd.com] ). And I'd hope that folks on both sides could acknowledge the areas that the companies share as problems, such as working conditions at their factories, which have been steadily improving, but which still have a way to go.

Re:Samsung's visibility (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#43142811)

This is the link I accidentally left out [kernelmag.com] that covers the stuff I was talking about related to the shady stuff Samsung and its chairman are doing. Can't believe I forgot to link it.

Re:Samsung's visibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142649)

Actually, if we are talking about people who are aware that there is a smartphone other than the iPhone, a lot of this crowd is aware of the lawsuits. I manage cellphones for a fairly large company and have insight into our global brothers. Of the users who chose the Android phones, most know about the lawsuits, here and in Europe. Most of the iPhone users don't even know what Android is, so clearly I am excluding that crowd.

Re:Samsung's visibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142655)

Samsung's visibility has a lot more to do with the fact that they spend gajillions of dollars on advertising [asymco.com] than with any of the lawsuits they're involved in. Hell, they're spending more than Apple, HP, Dell, and Microsoft combined when it comes to advertising. And then, on top of that they're spending about the same amount again on sales promotions. Billions upon billions of dollars.

Bears repeating

Re:Samsung's visibility (0)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#43142759)

I don't have cable or satellite, I don't listen to the radio, I don't read magazines, I live in a small town. Samsung's billions are all wasted because all I read about Android is how much of a clusterfuck and virus-magnet it is.

I don't buy things because of publicity or because others buy it. I buy something if it meets my requirements. In the same line of thinking, an Xbox or Playstation are useless if all you want to play is Metroid and Zelda.*

* Mario? Fuck him. Well, actually, I'd rather fuck Peach.

How can (3, Insightful)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about a year ago | (#43142227)

How can a product be a copy cat when it is *better* and *more innovative* than the original?

Re:How can (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142283)

How can a product be a copy cat when it is *better* and *more innovative* than the original?

Sssh, hush, dearie, that logic only works when Apple was improving on the smartphones of the Days of Old. Not now when Apple's infallible Design(tm) is what's on the line.

Re:How can (1)

gordo3000 (785698) | about a year ago | (#43142643)

what is more innovative about a sIII than an iphone 5? Sitting down comparing a 4s to the sIII I didn't get blown away by anything on the sIII (or 4s). Both offer such incredibly similar abilities I can't find a single thing samsung has added (mind you, samsung, not google with android) that I would call innovative.

*Better* is a choice, and most likely based on android vs iOS though could come down to the screen size and NFC (granted, outside of Japan, I can't think of anywhere NFC is very useful).

Re:How can (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142917)

I use NFC tags to a do a lot... Set up car mode on my phone, silence the phone, give out wifi settings, bump to share media. Just because YOU can't find a use for it doesn't mean it's useless outside Japan.

Re:How can (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43142735)

How can a product be a copy cat when it is *better* and *more innovative* than the original?

Is it just me, or does this sound like the beginning of one of those "how many lawyers" jokes?

Re:How can (1)

StormReaver (59959) | about a year ago | (#43142965)

Clearly Samsung is traveling 50 years into the future, and stealing ideas from the then-state-of-the-art Apple phones and tablets.

Duh... (4, Insightful)

rabenja (919226) | about a year ago | (#43142253)

In the end however, all this litigation is most likely going to be shouldered on the pocketbook of the consumer'"

How in the world would this ever *not* be the case?

Re:Duh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142771)

When the corporate tax rate goes up, the consumer is usally unaffected.

Re:Duh... (1)

arbiter1 (1204146) | about a year ago | (#43142877)

Looking at apple's profits over the years, they been shouldering it about 5 years ago.

dipping sales? (1)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year ago | (#43142449)

I don't think so.

Samesung should rush out a sWatch product (2, Insightful)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year ago | (#43142499)

Screw both Swatch and Apple in the same go.

Anyways, its obvious Apples is just pissing money away on something they seem to be losing out on. Even if Samsung blatantly stole their original design cue's directly from Apple, the fact is Samsung is now the largest alternative to Apple, and nothing Apple is going to do to stop that. Even if Apple win's billions in compensation the fact is Samsung has created an empire suitable to dethrone Apple, which was Steve Jobs greatest fear, for Apple to become a runner up again.

Of course its ridiculous to think that Apple could be dethroned on something like rounded corners on a rectangle, but the reality is Apple knows they did nothing innovative with iOS other then present a grid of rounded rectangles. Hell Steve Jobs even pissed on using a stylus with a Smartphone and Samsung has captured a huge market of people buying phones and tablets with a stylus now.

These lawsuits are just working against Apple now their stock has tanked; while everyone was on board to support Apple when their stock was $700 a share those same people are just as easily out looking for blood.

Apple isn't a darling anymore in anybody's eyes and their continued behavior will just cause more investors to lose faith that they can no longer remain an innovative company, just a has been trying to protect their old patents.

Re:Samesung should rush out a sWatch product (1)

dcmcilrath (2859893) | about a year ago | (#43142683)

Even if Apple win's billions in compensation the fact is Samsung has created an empire suitable to dethrone Apple, which was Steve Jobs greatest fear, for Apple to become a runner up again.

Thank god for that, the last time Apple did something truly interesting was when they were a runner-up to Microsoft. I feel like being top dog is bad for just about any company. Look at the aforementioned Microsoft, they've been the OS leader for 20 years and haven't made anything nearly as good as the people desperately trying to compete (ex: Linux & Apple)

If Apple has to start trying again, it will make the market far more interesting, and probably better. Capitalism works best on fierce competition

Re:Samesung should rush out a sWatch product (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142857)

Look at the aforementioned Microsoft, they've been the OS leader for 20 years and haven't made anything nearly as good as the people desperately trying to compete (ex: Linux & Apple).

I know this will be modded as -3 Troll, but no, neither of those examples has ever been good. You've wanted to call them good because you like to back the underdog in a fight, and you have accepted that regardless of their faults they must be better than the top dog in the fight, but you are still wrong. Just because the people you think are cool kids don't like something does not mean that it is bad, but neither is majority inherently correct. Each OS is good for what the effort was spent in making it do, and most people really really don't care that Linux lets you pipe your mouse directly to the sound card.

Re:Samesung should rush out a sWatch product (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#43142769)

Samsung doesn't control Android. It could be their undoing.

I've voted with my pocket book (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142631)

But it doesn't seem to have any effect.
Seems I only get one vote, while the mindless apple throngs get multiple votes.

If we had no abusive patent system (1)

Skapare (16644) | about a year ago | (#43142711)

... then Apple would have never designed the iPhone the way it did, or probably would never have designed it at all. In fact, Apple might no longer even exist because no one would be investing in business because there would be no money to make.

Not!

Obviously Samsung is doing well without these certain patents. Other companies are doing well, too. What's special about Apple that would make it fail in this kind of competitive market? Oh wait ... it's all overpriced.

The patent system SHOULD be there to encourage inventors to invent things we would not otherwise have. The big question is, if Apple had not come up with these specifics first, would anyone else have done so, eventually? IMHO, at least for most of them, the answer is yes.

I don't blame Apple, though. I blame the broken patent system that takes away the rights of developers for TRIVIAL THINGS, instead of sticking to GENUINE INNOVATIONS (which make up less than 5% of patents ... way less in some fields like software).

Copying is dubious, Phones havn't made huge change (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142925)

Look, there have been icons on phones since the 1990's. They have evolved, but most everyone has used a gear looking icon for settings for over 10 years. They have evolved and they mostly look the same. Same with the phone thing, green for pickup, red for hang up, nothing new there.

Now as far as Samsung copying Apple specifically, maybe a little, mostly though, no. Samsung is copying everyone, same as Apple, and HTC, and Motorola and Nokia. Welcome to the modern world.

Apple ought to worry about everyone else. Apple is the hot product today, but with them being the target, Nokia, HTC and Samsung are all gunning for Apple. M$ has various vendors (Nokia, HTC) building windows phones. Android has dozens of vendors building phones. Some where someone will eventually come up with something that makes the Apple products seem silly.

Apple cannot, no matter how many lawsuits they file, will be able to stay ahead of dozens of companies trying to come out with something different than the current leader.

What about Blackberry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43142941)

With all this talk about Apple and Samsung it is only fitting to mention Blackberry!

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