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Dad Hacks "Donkey Kong" - Now Pauline Rescues Mario

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the then-nintendo-imprisons-you-for-life dept.

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H_Fisher writes "What do you do when your daughter wants the girl to be the hero of your old video game? If you're Mike Mika, you hack the game ROM to reverse the roles. He even changed the 'M' at the top of the screen to a 'P.'"

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What do you do? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146675)

You tell her to check her privilege and stop being a sexist! Oh, wait, wrong gender.

Re:What do you do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146715)

Go back to bed, Anita

Re: What do you do? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146935)

Privilege? Gender? This is simply a violation of the DMCA and will be stopped before others use it as an example that they, too, can modify a game to meet thir personal preferences.

Hats off to the dad for making his daughter happy, but big gaming is going squash this like a bug.

Re: What do you do? (4, Insightful)

Eraesr (1629799) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147259)

Yeah sure, blah blah blah.
He hasn't actually released the modified game and big gaming corporations don't give a fuck about a dad hacking a 30 year old game this way to make his daughter happy. To "squash" this, a corp needs to spend more money than it's worth, so they're not going to do a thing about it. Simple as that.

Re: What do you do? (1)

progician (2451300) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147297)

If you read the EULA of majority of commercial software, including games, it is specifically forbidden to reverse engineer and modify the Product. While you're right that without distributing the modifications, it is unlikely that he gets sued, but he still did something that is against the contract of the purchase of the software license.

Re: What do you do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147315)

Quick! Someone alert Carmen Ortiz! Violating a EULA is a felony!

Re: What do you do? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147487)

When did the -original- Donkey Kong have a EULA?

Sounds like a great father (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146683)

I hope he also fixed the final level bug.

oh, wow, he swapped the sprites... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146693)

There was a patch for DOOM that let you shoot Barney.
Maybe you shouldn't be taking your morality from Donkey Kong.

Why is this necessary? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146733)

Let's count up all the female player characters that exist in video games that aren't sex objects, exist for a male character to save, or exist as a plot device (that is, female characters you can play that exist as characters in and of themselves, not as part of a plot to empower male characters):

April Ryan
Faith in Mirrors Edge
Chell in Portal (though you almost never see her)
Lightning
Princess Toadstool in Super Mario 2 (though this character is powerless in almost every other Mario game)

um... I'm out. I'd do the same list with male characters, but I'd exceed the maximum comment size.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146799)

What about Samus, Yuna (FF X), Lara Croft (in 9 games), Aeris(th), Rayne, Jill Valentine, etc.

Face it, there are plenty of female characters. And since women play games maybe 10% as much as men, they are probably overrepresented.

Re:Why is this necessary? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146889)

He said "that aren't sex objects"

While things like Zero-suit Samus can certainly be considered a bit of fan service, I wouldn't consider most of her outings as putting her in the sex-object position. I don't know if the GPP would agree.

Meanwhile, on the flip side, Lara Croft *definitely* is, except in her latest game (written by the excellent Rhianna Pratchett) where she's actually written like a real human being.

Re:Why is this necessary? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146917)

A little offtopic, I know, but it took me until just now to realize that she was Terry Pratchett's daughter. Apparently she will also get all the rights to Discworld and continue writing it. I certainly hope she is up to the challenge.

Re:Why is this necessary? (3, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147305)

I guessed as soon as I saw her name mentioned as the writer for Overlord. It was a lot of the reason I even tried the game. Safe to say, I think Terry's sense of humour has rubbed off on her :)

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147811)

In any sufficiently advanced feminism, every female becomes a sex object when observed by a male. Even a homosexual male.

Re:Why is this necessary? (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146931)

GP: Let's count up all the female player characters that exist in video games that aren't sex objects

You: Lara Croft (in 9 games)

You seriously think Lara Croft isn't a sex object? [google.com] .

Re:Why is this necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147065)

Aren't men in games sex objects, too? Are you going to criticize the Batman games for having a completely ripped Bruce Wayne or the impossibly buff men in Gears of War? Nobody looks like that in real life. That is why it is called a game. Lara Croft isn't really that extreme and in the most recent game she looks average.

Re:Why is this necessary? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147145)

Nobody looks like that in real life.

No? I do ... look a lot like Lara Croft. Sure, it's an odd look for a man, but I think I pull it off nicely.

Re:Why is this necessary? (4, Insightful)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147359)

They aren't buff like that to entice females or gay males to play, they're buff like that as a kind of ego fantasy for the males that buy those games. They aren't sex objects.

And? (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147149)

Since I have no reason to hate you with a passion, I won't suggest you watch Twilight but aren't the males in that drivel just as much sex objects?

What really is the difference between Lara Croft and Fabian? Don't know who he is? Google it and you will find he is a model who appears on countless romance novel covers and NOT because he is a novelist.

Sex... wasn't really all that much a part of the original Tomb Raider. yes, she had big polygons, which most of the time you don't see since the camera is behind her. Meanwhile the women in Planescape: Torment had FAR bigger tits but nobody complained about that. Because part of the reason to have big tits in low-rez games was so the tits would be visible at all.

In Israel right now there is a law banning thin models. To protect the feelings of the whales. Because the only thin women are freaks who don't eat of course, not just a normal percentage of women who just happen to not overeat and have a natural slender built. To protect one groups feelings, another group is excluded. For every a-cup girl supposedly offended by doubt D Lara, there is a double D girl offended by every small titted heroine. Can't girls with big busts be heroes or are they condemned like blondes to always be stupid whores?

HERE IS THE SECRET

Every personality you see in the media, is a role. Doesn't matter whether you like said role or not. It is a role. Every actor acts a role defined by the writer. Media can NEVER show reality (which is why people who take 1984 as a prophecy as such idiots) because the writer WROTE everything as if he/she was god. A personality is self-destructive or succesful because the writer made it to be like that. In Far Cry 3 and the new Tomb Raider the "hero" goes from a snivelling coward to lean mean well adjusted killing machine because that was what the writers put in the plot. A different writer could just as easily have written a plot showing how both lapse into insanity. When backdraft was made, fire departments around the world saw an increase in volunteers and Pretty Woman has been claimed to have caused an increase in girls thinking prostitution always has an happy ending... for the girl. Mind you, the postman always ring twice didn't see more people wanting to be postman. Because the writers made on proffesion seem heroic while the other... wasn't. And many movies have shown hookers in bad light. The role an actor plays is not real.

REAL people are often WAY more complex then can be put in a 1.5 hour movie. Lara Croft breasts are often the joke of back pains... and? This is well known among women and those who live in the same world as them. Breast reduction surgery does exist and STILL women with small breasts want to be sultry big bossomed and big breasted women want to be slender and cute. And men want big cocks despite most women not particularly liking to be stretched to wide or to deep while men with actual big penisses wish that girls wouldn't run out the door when they get naked. We all want what we can't have because SURELY the grass is greener on the other side, so we all climb the fence and never wonder why so many people are climbing the other way.

BUT it is NOT the media's fault, it is our own.

Take publicity shots for say Star Wars. You can probably find some of Carry Fisher in her metal bikini and say "fan service". That is because all the pictures of Harrison Ford strutting it, don't appeal to YOU. But they ARE fanservice to a LOT of women. You drooled over Leia, they drooled over Han. Or Luke. Or Obi-Wan... women are weird or Jabba... my gf picked me after all.

You might think that a Lord of the Rings does not have much fanservice but just search the net. So... does that make the characters sex symbols? YES! Just not to you, but if SOMEONE drools over it, it is a sex symbol.

Sex sells, it always has done and both genders lap it up.

Sexism is only seeing it in one gender. Note the Israeli law on thin models ONLY applies to females. Because everyone knows bulemia is bad for girls. Body building for guys where they inject themselves with hormones and painkillers, that is a-okay.

If Lara Croft was solely designed as a sex symbol, the shower scene in the game would actually have shown anything, her clothes would have torn, the camera would be centered on her front and she wouldn't be completely a-sexual in her activities. OR she is just a game hero packaged attractively. No different from say Master Chef from Halo. Lara is designed to make the player "gosh, she is nice, I wish I had a gf like that" while Halo is designed to make the player think "I look like that, I am macho sitting in my undies with my xbox".

Sex sells, spotting the titty sell is a bit easier then spotting the macho sell. But it is there. And BOTH sides got it.

Re:And? (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147333)

No mod points today.. but this is the most insightful comment I've seen for a long time. I had only just started considering that male characters are also made as sex objects before I read your comment :)

Re:And? (2)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147383)

Seeing that a reasonable amount of your rant was about the Israel-bans-thin-models story:

Note the Israeli law on thin models ONLY applies to females.

According to abc new [go.com] , the law "targets adults in general, [but] it is clearly aimed at female models."

(I think that law btw, while possibly well-intentioned is not thought through & impossible to enforce.)

Re:Why is this necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147413)

Samus Aran!

Well, until they came out with Zero Suit Samus. Or when you beat the gamer really fast.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147783)

Forget that, he put Rayne on the list. To be more of a sex object she'd have to start taking off the stripper outfit she's wearing.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

Andtalath (1074376) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147103)

Yuna is a typical Japanese Sex Object, the same can definitely be argued abouth Aeris.

Lara Croft, really?

Don't know about the other two.

Re:Why is this necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147449)

Samus probably the best female player character in any game, as long as you just don't count Metrod: Other M as having ever happened. Apparently everything good about her as a character happened in spite of Yoshio Sakamoto, not because of him having free creative control.

Re:Why is this necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147681)

How is Aerith a sex object? You can argue she is but only by being dishonest.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147821)

I would argue she's not. Not a "strong leading female character" either (used as damsel in distress and then killed off early to create a sad moment for the leading male - and the player), but definitely not a sex object.

Re:Why is this necessary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147647)

Actually recent evidence shows that women are consuming about 50% of the gaming market. I think I read that on......here, actually.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147875)

And since women play games maybe 10% as much as men, they are probably overrepresented.

citation needed.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

znanue (2782675) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146819)

sc2: heart of the swarm?

My sister agrees that the early tomb raiders were somewhat chauvinist but says of the very latest that it feels like a video game with high appeal for women to play.

Many of the final fantasy have sexy (but not sex object...) female characters that you can play. Female characters in RPG games are everywhere.

Still, I agree with the spirit of your point. Yet, I don't the think answer is to step down the objectification of women but to step up the objectification of men. We actually have a pretty hard time dealing with "sexual aggression" and not being heard.

Z

Re:Why is this necessary? (2)

metalmaster (1005171) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146855)

Regina of Dino Crisis [wikipedia.org] is a strong female role. If you dont know the game it's pretty much Resident Evil with dinosaurs

Re:Why is this necessary? (2)

MurukeshM (1901690) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146961)

What about gender neutral ones like Shepard from Mass Effect or the Warden from Dragon Age?

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

Eraesr (1629799) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147265)

Jade, from Beyond Good & Evil.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147561)

I find it amusing that you assume people know who April Ryan is, but that they don't know who Chell is... I'd say that Portal was a *much* bigger title than The Longest Journey, not to mention that TLJ came out 14 years ago, and while it has a cult following it's still quite an old game that isn't very well known in the main stream.... (that said, you're right... TLJ and Dreamfall both present strong female leads as their protagonists)

You tend to find better written female characters in CRPGs. Bioware is especially good at writing female characters that ring true... Think Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect, Jade Empire, and Dragon Age. It shouldn't really be surprising that Bioware is doing this, though... they're also about the only game developper that bothers to include gay/lesbian characters and romance options in their work, too. I'm torn on the Bioware issue, actually, between my desire to support them and what they're doing, and my utter loathing for EA and its business practices....

Unfortunately, as much as women vote with their wallets, a lot more people just don't give a shit, so developpers don't realize that there's a market for it... but a personal anecdote: the last time I bought a game that didn't give me the option of having a female lead (or an undefined gender for the lead character) was 1992 (Star Control II). I'm simply not comfortable playing male characters, or with all the fan service that men get in games. Perhaps the reason there aren't a lot of girl gamers is because the industry on the whole doesn't seem to give a shit about women?

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147839)

Chell barely gets mentioned in the game and I think the only place you actually see her in the game, is in the cinematic at the end of Portal 2 (or if you set up some portals like a mirror). Chell is more anonymous than Doom Guy, at least you can see his face in the status bar and there's a pic of him in the menu screen.

Re:Why is this necessary? (1)

unapersson (38207) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147639)

Nariko and her sister in Heavenly Sword (both are playable characters).

There were also female lead characters in WET and Heavy Rain but can't remember their names off the top of my head, but yes they tend to be very much in the minority, probably because of the belief that men don't want to play as female characters.

Gender roles (-1, Flamebait)

RenHoek (101570) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146739)

I see gender roles are still alive and well, with Pauline using pink umbrella's and pink handbags in her quest to defeat Donkey Kong...

Re:Gender roles (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146761)

He did it so his daughter could play as the character she wanted to play. Not as some feminist statement.

Re:Gender roles (5, Insightful)

kevin lyda (4803) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146793)

Why not have those things? Maybe his daughter likes them? Just because they're traditionally female, doesn't mean they're inferior.

If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147179)

.. a pink handbag and umbrella arn't the first things you'd pick. Not unless you wanted to ask him out on a date of course.

Re:If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla (4, Funny)

auLucifer (1371577) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147211)

Have you seen what women carry in their handbags? I'd rather be hit with a mallet than whatever they're hiding in there!

Re:If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla (2)

geminidomino (614729) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147605)

I have it on good authority that the Queen carries a brick in hers.

Re:If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla (1)

buxomspacefish (2811071) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147653)

My handbag isn't pink, but the 40 cal full of hollow points in it would stop a gorilla... And that umbrella might be an umbrella sword or a laser or something else equally silly. It is a video game after all...

Re:Gender roles (4, Informative)

Myria (562655) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146795)

If the daughter finds them OK, what's wrong with it? Maybe she likes "girly" things.

Re:Gender roles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146797)

I see gender roles are still alive and well, with Pauline using pink umbrella's and pink handbags in her quest to defeat Donkey Kong...

Yeah sure, it would indeed have been a lot better if Mario had the pink umbrella and pink handbags.

Re:Gender roles (5, Insightful)

CycleMan (638982) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146805)

Let the haters hate, and the lovers love. We know who's who by their comments.

If your daughter wanted it all princessy, and you loved her, you'd do it too. Remember (if you RTFA), she asked to play as not-Mario; we don't know what more she said beyond that. If my son asked for an elephant in the game, I'd make peanuts for him to use. And a little feather because of Dumbo.

Got my man-card, and my dad-card, and nobody's pulling either of them.

Re:Gender roles (2)

nametaken (610866) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147425)

This is all anyone needed to say about this story.

Re:Gender roles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147049)

Oh STFU you asshole.

Only men look at something girly and think: "Wow, that girl is being brainwashed into that." But they NEVER and I mean NEVER look at boys playing with violent videogames and the like and think the same thing. "Oooh, so violent, we're training our boys to be soldiers, so stereotypical and sexist!"

I noticed that Americans have a big problem with girly girls. They all want their women to have male personalities but with boobs.

I like the way I am. Go fuck yourself.

Re:Gender roles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147159)

I noticed that Americans have a big problem with girly girls. They all want their women to have male personalities but with boobs.

So you're saying Americans are secretly gay?

Re:Gender roles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147303)

Well, they don't seem to be particularly happy unless they're abusing someone elsewhere.

Fun Fact: Pink only became a "woman's" colour at the beginning of the last century. Before that, men wore clothes of that colour quite frequently.

Re:Gender roles (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147115)

making mario wear those at the top of the screen while pauline climbs up in a plumbers suit would have been a pretty fucking lousy hack.. just saying.

Out of the woodwork (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146741)

It's another article with something cool, vaguely mentioning something about gender biases, that ignites comments across game industry websites spewing reactionary sexist bullshit. Even as innocent and heart-warming as this story is, primitive individuals with no understanding of privilege can't help but attack the father and even the 3 year old, if you can believe it.

Are other industries as bad, or is the gaming industry one of the worst?

Re:Out of the woodwork (5, Insightful)

CycleMan (638982) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146781)

Are other industries as bad, or is the gaming industry one of the worst?

Everyone's this bad. Nobody RTFA's and understands that Dad took a request from his kid and decided to go all-out on it. They all think it's a political-social-economic-whatever sort of statement. Dad isn't out to make a statement. He's out to love his kid.

My guess, with absolutely no statistics to back it up, is that many of the attackers are not parents themselves and simply do understand that such a selfless, political-message-free love exists.

Re:Out of the woodwork (5, Insightful)

Fjandr (66656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146815)

I agree. Fuck the comments about sexism. This is 100% a dad doing something because he loves his daughter and was able to do something cool because she wanted something different.

Re:Out of the woodwork (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147235)

Whatever. Even gender is sexist. Why can't women provide the sperm? Why can't men provide the egg and carry the fetus to term?

Judith: [on Stan's desire to be a mother] Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *right* to have babies.

Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother... sister, sorry.

Reg: What's the *point*?

Francis: What?

Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he can't have babies?

Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
 

... [imdb.com]

Re:Out of the woodwork (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147327)

This dad did what feminists can't be arsed to do, he worked long hours past midnight to change a game so it was more of her daughter's liking, instead of bitching about it for years without doing anything.

It would have been a better story if her daughter made the hack herself instead of having to manipulate a man to get her wish, but that can be excused by her little age.

Re:Out of the woodwork (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147523)

Agreed 100%

I am a bit doubtful about calling this a hack, this is reverse engineering.

A hack would have been:
- Daddy but I want to be the hero!!!
- Ok! wait a sec... *puts fake mustache on girl* ... there you are, darling!

Re:Out of the woodwork (3, Insightful)

geminidomino (614729) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147667)

The whole point of this story is to stir up the sexism shrieker shitstorm. You take that aspect out, and there's no reason for it to be posted.

It would just be a combination of headlines: "This dad loves his daughter" (Also not newsworthy to anyone other than the gender warriors) and "Guy does something only marginally more complicated than hex editing 'File Manager' title bar to display 'File Mangler'"

Re:Out of the woodwork (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146851)

I also like to attribute understanding to the attackers.

Re:Out of the woodwork (1)

Krokus (88121) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146921)

Oh, I wish I had mod points for you, my friend.

Actually I suspect it was more a case of... (5, Funny)

Viol8 (599362) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147197)

... dad had a convenient excuse to spend some quality time hacking.

Wife: Hey, why the fsck are you still sitting in front of that computer, its 1am! You love that thing more than me. I'm sick of it! Come to bed and treat me like a woman!

Dad: I'm giving matriachal empowerment to the characterisation of this game for the sake of our daughters self esteem.

Wife: Oh , well, ok then! Night!

Dad: Heh , sucker. Now, lets see what this ISR does...

Pie factory in the NES version? (1)

Myria (562655) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146809)

This ROM has the pie factory level, but it has the NES title screen. How's that work? TFA says the 2010 ROM, but what's that from?

Re:Pie factory in the NES version? (5, Informative)

dosius (230542) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146913)

There was a VC release bundled with certain editions of the Wii that had a ROM of the NES version with the pie factory level grafted in.

-uso.

Should Have Gone All The Way (5, Interesting)

guttentag (313541) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146817)

He should have switched the big monkey at the top with the poor little oil drum at the bottom while he was at it, to reflect the full scope of societal changes that have occurred since the release of Donkey Kong.

In this new version, the girl fights to stop Big Oil at the top from throwing barrels at the cute little monkey at the bottom, while the guy just stands there watching the game. When she gets to the top, she's not rescuing Mario, she's stopping Big Oil from harming cute animals. Mario just happens to come out of his comatose state when she enters the room and feels compelled to feign excitement for her quest.

In college I had a roommate who felt very strongly that depressed people should not give in to pressure to take Prozac. So I "hacked" (I think I used ResEdit or something... nothing fancy) a Pong clone to replace the ball with a green/yellow Prozac capsule. That way he could "fight the good fight" by trying to deflect the Prozac in response to my repeated attempts to stuff it down his side of the screen. This made him a much more animated opponent in Pong, and I told him this only proved that Prozac does improve people's behavior. Which upped the ante as the game continued, in much the same way that Tetris starts throwing bricks at you with more attitude the further you get into the game.

Re:Should Have Gone All The Way (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147041)

In this new version, the girl fights to stop Big Oil at the top from throwing barrels at the cute little monkey at the bottom

Pfft, back on ur bike hippy.

Re:Should Have Gone All The Way (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147093)

I was given prozac by my doctor for depression. I took prozac for 3 days when the effect hit me and I had a complete mental break down wanting to cut my wrist. Having never had any suicidal thoughts in my life up until that point, it is fair to say prozac made me have suicidal thoughts and urges.

Imagine how it feels to be horny, but take that and make it the desire to cut your wrist. That is how it felt for me every single day of those first 3 months. And I still get flash backs for it. In a PTSD way, I will get days where I get that urge again, even weeks at a time and its completely horrible and makes you question your sanity when you don't want to die but your body is desiring it, with no way to control that desire just tolerating it until it passes.

I'm glad you think you're some smart guy because you hacked a game to make a political point but you're friend was 100% right about prozac. It is an incredibly dangerous drug (2 in 20 people become suicidal according to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/758763.stm) and he should be telling people not to take it and to seek alternatives.

Re:Should Have Gone All The Way (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147261)

Your article is pretty old. I don't think the risk is as high as you state, but I don't doubt that there are risks.

As far as the desire to cut your wrist, was it due to suicidal ideation or due to a desire for self injury? Suicidal ideation often occurs in people that self injure, but they are very different disorders. Self-injury is usually due to a desire to make a situation feel real (stop dissociation) or to counter stressful or painful thoughts. Self-injury is actually a coping mechanism, though a very bad one. Suicidal ideation is more of a problem solving type of behavior. But if you felt that you were compelled to cut your wrists to kill yourself (not as a problem solving behavior), then that would be neither self-injury nor suicidal ideation, but psychosis.

In any case, there aren't really many great alternatives. This is partially because it costs too much to do research for new drugs and partially because ethical guidelines prevent testing on the people that actually need the drugs. If you have ever had suicidal ideation or self injured, you will be excluded from a trial. If you have a severe mental illness (which can include major depression) you will be excluded. Thus, only the least depressed patients are tested. It is sort of like being pregnant--nobody will test drugs on you due to ethical concerns. In the end, these drug companies have to get statistically significant findings when they test their drugs on the least depressed people. To say that is hard, is an understatement. So they do lots of tricks to get their drugs approved. But there really is no certainty that those drugs will help with the people that need them most because they have never been tested on those same people. Only after the drugs are prescribed en masse can scientists really determine the impact.

Re:Should Have Gone All The Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147457)

I suggest you look into it yourself if you don't believe those figures. It is alarmingly high.

I really don't care what causes it or how difficult it is to test medication. The point is Prozac is making people suicidal and causing people to take their own lives. It is an incredibly dangerous drug and it should not be prescribed with those side effects. You have no idea what it is like to have your entire life ruined by that stuff and come out on the other side. It is as life changing as being raped, because you feel that same sense of being violated, you feel betrayed by your own body and its fucking horrible. The person who walks into it isn't the person who walks out, if they're even strong enough to walk out.

Come back to me when you've literally begged someone to put you in a mental hospital because you're so terrified of your own body/mind that you feel unsafe even being in the same house as a knife. Maybe then I would have some sympathy for the poor drug testers, or more likely you wouldn't have any left for any one who made people take that stuff.

Neat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146823)

Way to go Dad :)

Next Step (1)

prionic6 (858109) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146839)

Let's try to switch it further: Mario as the bad guy, DK must be rescued. Maybe DK has a daughter?

Re:Next Step (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146885)

Let's try to switch it further: Mario as the bad guy, DK must be rescued. Maybe DK has a daughter?

You mean switch genders in Donkey Kong Jr.

Re:Next Step (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146897)

New Super Mario Wii U is kinda like that.

Mario kidnapped the Princess (and the mother of the Koopalings), Koopa rescued her, and now Mario is running around killing everything in the Mushroom Kingdom. I think there actually was an indie game that was somewhat like a side-scrolling mario game where the protagonist was insane and you had the option of flipping through 3 different perceived realities. The bad ending had you saving the princess, but then she would turn into a monster and kill you, and the good ending had both the princess and the protagonist turning into monsters and living happily ever after.

Re:Next Step (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147419)

The game you're thinking of is Eversion. A cutsey platformer that descends into Lovecraftian horror.
http://zarat.us/tra/offline-games/eversion.html
http://store.steampowered.com/app/33680/

Handbags and Brollies? (0)

polyp2000 (444682) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146919)

Gender equality is one thing - but he is still enforcing stereotypical gender roles with the pink handbags and brollies!

If he'd hacked Donkey Kong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43146927)

Would the title owners have sued his ass?
--
AC

Not easy to make your daughter happy (3, Interesting)

m.alessandrini (1587467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43146971)

My daughter was once playing with ktuberling, where you drag little characters on the screen and create a scene. One day I caught her rotating the mouse horizontally, because she wanted the little penguin to lay down instead of standing, and she was complaining it was not working. I'm an electronic engineer, but I have not all that spare time! :-) On the other hand, I think that Apple and others could gain millions by hiring a bunch of kids as designers...

Re:Not easy to make your daughter happy (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147887)

One day I caught her rotating the mouse horizontally, because she wanted the little penguin to lay down instead of standing, and she was complaining it was not working.

Hahaha well you gotta give her points for that idea! XD

poor little girl (1)

KramberryKoncerto (2552046) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147007)

With all the hard work beating Donkey Kong she'll find herself ending up with a short fatty with a funny moustache that dresses like a pervert...

P not a very feminine name (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147023)

Pauline is not a very feminine name, and P is not a very feminine first letter either.
I hope for this poor girl she wasn't named Pauline.

On the other hand, M is a fairly feminine letter and there are plenty of feminine first names with it.

Re:P not a very feminine name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147775)

90% of which are just derivatives and composites of "mary".

Parenting (5, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147029)

Parenting - you're doing it right!

Re:Parenting (-1, Troll)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147195)

I beg to differ. Parenting is about teaching, not catering.

If he TAUGHT her how to hack the game and she did it, then I'd be like "Parenting - you're doing it right." But to just give her this interesting gift? Let's just hope it's not a life-long pattern for either of them. Doing nice things is nice. Not saying that. But have you ever seen a child get angry because they didn't like the gift they were given? I have. Creepy. And you have to wonder how it got that way.

Re:Parenting (2)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147269)

I beg to differ. Parenting is about teaching, not catering.

Parenting is both about teaching and loving your child. A child that is loved, grows up into a self-confident adult.

Also, a child that is loved has a nice childhood. Life isn't only about preparing for the next step - sometimes you live in the here and now.

Re:Parenting (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147313)

If he TAUGHT her how to hack the game and she did it, then I'd be like "Parenting - you're doing it right."

She's fucking three years old, dipshit.

At that age, I think it's okay to just show her it's possible to get what you want if you work for it. You don't have to make her do it herself!

Re:Parenting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147439)

And the number of kids you have? You're single, a virgin and your mother does all your laundry and cooking?

Re:Parenting (1)

f00zbll (526151) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147453)

Until you produce a 3 yr old of any gender that can hack a ROM to do the same thing, the comment is troll bait. Even then, the chances of the most brilliant 3 yr olds hacking a ROM is pretty remote. Parenting is complicated and there's no manual. The best that one can do is love their child and try to instill good habits, respect for others and critical thinking.

Re:Parenting (3, Insightful)

eyenot (102141) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147509)

My parents didn't teach me programming until I was eight, and I didn't even begin to do anything really useful with it until I was a teenager. I used it to hack ATARI games (for the ATARI home computer), sure, but that's at eight years old.

The girl in the story is three years old. So you aren't even really setting a fair standard.

What's worse, you're completely ignoring the gender-politics and DIY lessons learned. If you think there's no difference between Shigeru Miyamoto getting the job done and "Dad" getting the job done, then maybe Shigeru Miyamoto's your dad. Well, aside from you, most children (since they learn from their parents' example) would realize the connection: the game doesn't have to be made by a toy maker, it can be modified by "Dad" -- and that means it can eventually be modified by the child.

Re:Parenting (-1, Troll)

Inda (580031) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147511)

The father's an amature.

Let me know when he's managed to download, install, patch and crack ALL the Sims3 series, plus all the clothes, to a laptop that isn't really fast enough to run the game. When he's spent all day doing that, because the installs have to be done in a specific, secret order, let me know.

Hex editting is just a case of picking a number between 0 and 255. Child's play.

First world problems...

Re:Parenting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147819)

great, now you have to bring the "clever" commenting style of your daily link websites to slashdot. you sir, are a fucking simple-minded twat-waffle.

Where to find the original ROM? (1)

trikster2 (23745) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147069)

He's publishing a patch but I assume you need the exact same version of the ROM that he used.

Could anyone give me a hint as to where I could find that ROM?

I'd love to load this on the ipad for my kids.

Thanks!

If her mother would have done it... (-1, Troll)

Tanuki64 (989726) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147077)

...I'd be mildly impressed. But this is the typical case where a man makes a woman look strong. Nothing to see here, move along.

Multilevel win (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147173)

This is a win on so many levels.
I'd wager that first and foremost this dad did this without any ulterior motives. He simply made a lovely gift to his beloved daughter.
But he did more than that, whether he intended to or not.
He implicitly stated (to his daughter) that he, as a man, is perfectly ok with a woman rescuing a man. He may not even have done this consciously. His daughter may not even consciously see or understand this message. But he makes a nice example.
He also showed his daughter, that it is possible to change the "current state of affairs".
And yes, all of this would be a non-news if not 97% (made up on the spot, but probably not far from the truth) of all games reinforced the stereotype of the female damsel in distress with the male hero - or the sex-objectified heroine

Oh boy... (-1, Offtopic)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147181)

... let's just hope his daughter doesn't want two moms. Just sayin' we know what he'll be hacking next is all.

What is the deal with this "gender empowerment" thing? Guys like to play as female characters all the time. Read anything into it that you like. But the fact is that largely, the media fits the audience.

How is this gender empowerment when a man does it for a woman? At best it's "I want, I get" empowerment which is just kind of the wrong message I think here. "I deserve because I'm female" doesn't make sense to me and shouldn't make sense to anyone with a sense of respect.

What is this drive everywhere we look? "How can we change the world [superficially] so women feel more empowered?" The world got the way it was/is because of men doing a lot of things. Driven men. Hard working men. I'm not saying there aren't driven women and hard working women. I'm saying there's not enough of them to make a difference. So why are men responsible for women and their lack of interest or lack of ambition? The world already accomodates women who are driven and have ambition. Why do we have to do more?

"Oh hey! It's a game dude! Why are you making such a big deal out of it?" Because it's in childhood that expectations of life are formed. "Back in the day" people were extremely concerned about spoiling children. Well, back in the day, I was all for it... I was a child after all. But lately, I'm beginning to understand what it was all about. Childhood is a stage in which many of our ideas about life are formed. The notions we carry into adulthood were often formed during childhood. (Why do boys marry women who were like their mothers? Girls attracted to men like their fathers?) So yes, it makes sense we shouldn't spoil our children.

And what of it? A little princess of a girl goes out into the world expecting everyone to treat her like daddy and the boys at school did? The real world wants something in exchange and before long she wants what she had badly enough that she will give whatever it takes to get it back. We all know where this goes I suppose. Instead of catering, we should be teaching and training for the world they will live in. Parents should be teaching their children how to live in this world and if they don't like the world, how to help change it for the better.

"Women in the workplace." "Women in _______" We say these things like they are new ideas. These weren't exactly new ideas before I was born. Why are they still being studied 50+ years later? We know we can't make women more like men. And we shouldn't. It's an insult to women. So instead what are we doing? Making men more like women?!? How is that not an insult to men?

Okay... somehow my rant button was pushed instead of "wake up and get ready for work." Hope it was at least entertaining.

Teach her something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147347)

"What do you do when your daughter wants the girl to be the hero of your old video game?"

Tell her "That isn't how the world works. Go make me a sandwich."?

Debian & Galaxy please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147349)

Donkey Kong for Debian & Android Galaxy SIII please!

Who is this...Mario? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147427)

The three characters are Pauline, Donkey Kong (now Cranky Kong), and Jump Man.

Cool (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147471)

Now that is cool!

In other news ... (2)

moeinvt (851793) | about a year and a half ago | (#43147629)

Members of PETA hacked the game to make the human the villain and the monkey the hero.

Oh, wait...

Topless Tapper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43147745)

Slinging beer in a topless bar. That there's a hack your grandpappy can be proud of.

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