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Point and Shoot 3D Modeling (Video)

Roblimo posted about a year and a half ago | from the now-you-can-easily-copy-your-favorite-gun-parts-at-home dept.

Hardware 49

Slashdot editor Tim Lord was wandering around SXSW and ran into a small display for Lynx Laboratories, a startup that makes this claim about its Lynx A camera: "If you can use a point-and-shoot Nikon, you'll find the Lynx even easier to use. Instead of outputing 2D images, it produces 3D models of whatever you point it at. It's faster and cheaper than existing solutions today." There's a two-minute demo at the end of the video in which Lynx Founder and CEO Chris Slaughter shows how it works, and (at least in his hands) it looks extremely easy. The company is a University of Texas spinoff that "has received prestigious awards including the 1st Place Idea2Product (I2P) Texas, 1st Place I2P Global, Top 10 Dell Innovators and National Science Foundation Small Business Innovation Research Funding." Naturally, they're hoping to raise money through Kickstarter as well. They're looking for $50,000 and as of 13 March 2013 it looks like they've raised $88,548 of it. There are obviously other ways to make 3-D images and models. But Lynx seems to have made a novel device, and the images it makes can be picked up directly by a number of 3D printer software packages. The Lynx-A also does motion capture, which could really speed up rotoscoping and other techniques that make video games and other animations look more lifelike than pure animation. That's totally different from static 3D modeling but might be more interesting to more people, at least in a commercial sense.

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man lynx (5, Funny)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162473)

Hmmm... I don't see how ncurses can render a 3d image in a console... is that a new build option?

Re:man lynx (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162551)

You, sir or madam, have just made my day.

Re:man lynx (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43163241)

You should try the bbdemo (http://aa-project.sourceforge.net/bb/) or maybe look at libcaca if you want colors.

Re:man lynx (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43164901)

WHOOOOOOOOSH!

Software equivilant (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162523)

If you already have a Kinect (or other) sensor and a laptop, this can be achieved with Skanect (http://skanect.manctl.com/).

Re:Software equivilant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43163967)

Yes, but this runs on Linux. And while it doesn't seem to do color or capture as much detail as Kinect, you get to sleep well at night knowing that no chairs were harmed in the production of this device.

Re:Software equivilant (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43166017)

yeah I'll drag all that gear around when I want to take pictures

So what you're saying.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162587)

Regarding Kickstart, is that they reached their goal. Not that they've achieved 88,000 out of 55,000.

kickstart (0)

schneidafunk (795759) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162625)

In the summary it says: "They're looking for $50,000 and as of 13 March 2013 it looks like they've raised $88,548 of it." On kickstart, it shows the same. So if you hit your goal, you can still collect additional money? I don't understand how this works.

Re:kickstart (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162721)

Looks like you understand how it works very well already. On what specific point did you need clarification?

Re:kickstart (1)

schneidafunk (795759) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162753)

Why kickstart allows people to pledge more than the goal.

Re:kickstart (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162897)

The goal represents how much money the manufacturer thinks it will take to produce whatever it is they're pitching. But typically users pledge because they want to receive the product in return, and there's no limit on how many users can pledge. So it's quite possible to exceed that goal based on demand.

Additionally, people fundraising via Kickstarter often advertise "stretch goals"; these are additional features that the product will feature if they reach a particular level of funding beyond the goal.

Please label your ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162629)

As a long-time Slashdot user, I really object to these un-labelled ads. It's not so much that you're printing ads; it's that you're passing them off as editorial. Your readers are smart; we expect you to realise this, and it feels like an insult to us to suggest we're not critically-minded enough to distinguish advertising material from genuine editorial.

Please start labelling your ads as such, and allow those of us who possess the option to hide ads to hide these posts too.

what ads?? (1)

Cutting_Crew (708624) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162633)

firefox, adblock

Re:what ads?? (1)

slew (2918) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168333)

firefox, adblock

whoosh ;^P

Re:Please label your ads (2)

timothy (36799) | about a year and a half ago | (#43170095)

Unlabeled ad? Nope. That is an interesting conspiracy theory, but not reality :) They want to make money from it, certainly, but you misunderstand.

It's just an interesting product that I hadn't seen before -- Linux-based, cheap 3D modeling! -- that was on display in the maker-oriented sub-show called SXSW Create, across the way from the Board Forge project. (Also on Kickstarter, and which also wants to raise money; thinking about it that way, *these companies* are advertising simply by having a presence at a trade show, but we're showing them because they're making cool tech. If they want to buy advertising that appears on the site, they're free to -- we are an ad-supported site, after all -- but the editorial side doesn't handle that, nor do we select or approve the ads that run.)

timothy

well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162649)

what is going on foks

3D Printing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162681)

Point and shoot 3D coffee table models. The future is going to be weird.

Re:3D Printing (2)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year and a half ago | (#43164473)

Point and shoot 3D coffee table models. The future is going to be weird.

Better yet, point and shoot and print replicas of dicks and vulvas. So much easier than the shit they have now where you slather your junk in random chemicals to do the whole mold/cast shit.

Another quality SXSW Slashvertisement by Roblimo (-1, Troll)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162683)

Step on up and see the high quality Slashdot marketing team at work folks! Another one of Roblimo' genuine interviews, always featuring very reliable information about products and services, is here for our consumption.

Tell us Rob, how much does Dice Holdings charge for a front page Slashvertisement? And when is Slashdot Radio episode 2 coming out?

Re:Another quality SXSW Slashvertisement by Roblim (3, Informative)

Roblimo (357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166759)

I don't do the in-person interviews. Tim does them. Here. Let me help you figure that out by repeating part of the first sentence of the summary: "Slashdot editor Tim Lord was wandering around SXSW and ran into a small display..."

See? "Tim." Nice guy. Really. I've known him for years. And no, he doesn't take money for doing those videos.

I am a part-time hourly worker who edits and uploads videos. No more and no less.

Still, let me apologize on Tim's behalf for having had something positive to say about something.

To you, that obviously means it's a paid ad. Right?

After all, you are just about 100% negative, based on your Slashdot comment-posting history: http://slashdot.org/~RocketRabbit [slashdot.org]

Bunny, have you ever thought about getting a job or finding a girlfriend or at least finding something to be positive about once in a while?

If I can help, let me know.

- R

Re:Another quality SXSW Slashvertisement by Roblim (2)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168081)

Don't be such a Pharisee, Rob. I'm just poking gentle fun at you for diluting the Slashdot that we all knew and loved. I'm sure you don't really have much of a say in the direction Dice has taken this site, and I certainly am not the only one complaining here about it.

Maybe you can take these complaints as they are - genuine.

Anyway thanks for not giving me the Slashdot death penalty here for saying this. Not sure what the status is on that feature, because it's been a long while since there was an updated release of the Slashcode.

Re:Another quality SXSW Slashvertisement by Roblim (1)

FreekyGeek (19819) | about a year and a half ago | (#43228091)

I don't mind if you or anyone else at Slashdot posts stuff like this when it's relevant and interesting, which this one is. I don't evenm care if you get money for it, though it should be labeled as such if so. As long as it's relevant and ionteresting to me, that's what I care about. It Slashdot makes a few bucks in the process, then fine - win/win.

I do mind when the quality of the material is poor and it's not relevant or interesting. Then I feel like my time is being wasted.

I don't know for a fact if Slashdot got money for this or any other posting, and I don't care if you do. But remember that I come to Slashdot for that "geek mentality", for thing that are interesting to genuine geeks. Don't dilute your brand. If my non-geek friends would have any idea what a posting here is about, then it shouldn't be here.

123D Catch (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | about a year and a half ago | (#43162815)

It looks about the quality of "123D Catch" so I don't see the point.

Re:123D Catch (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43163049)

yeah.. but this does motion. but how well?
what the guy says in the video is basically that they just have custom sw and the hw is just off the shelf, which begs the question why not just have the sw.

their results seem a lot better than usual 123d catch though.

Re:123D Catch (2)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year and a half ago | (#43169589)

In this case "hw is just off the shelf" means that the components are easily sourceable, not necessarily that the completed device already exists.

negative fundraising goal (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162879)

They're looking for $50,000 and as of 13 March 2013 it looks like they've raised $88,548 of it.

That's fast... only -$38,548 to go!

Where is the innovation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43162901)

I'm not really impressed by this product and I am not sure if they are really honest. It looks like they built a nice computer around a
Kinect or Asus and use Open Source algorithms. They only have a single team member with computer vision experience and show algorithms like skeleton tracking and Kinect Fusion like renderings. Both algorithms look and perform exactly as their counterparts in OpenNI or the PointCloudLibrary.
The did not invent any of the used algorithms and I am not sure if they even reimplemented them or just use the available sources.

Re:Where is the innovation? (2)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year and a half ago | (#43169593)

So then what *could* impress you, given that almost everything is based on someone else's work?

It's a photogrammetry camera + computer in one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43163035)

It does 3D photogrammetry, a now fairly [washington.edu] widely-implemented [photomodeler.com] technique [agisoft.ru] ? How is this any different from having a decent laptop or desktop computer and a decent camera, and either tethering the two of them together (if you want real-time feedback) or shooting the pictures and plugging the camera or SD card into the computer and running it through the software? This gadget is relatively bulky too. It isn't as portable as having an un-tethered camera to take out in the field in places you wouldn't want to try to take a computer, and then bring the photos back to the lab or the car for processing. I don't know what the price is, but I wouldn't expect this to be an cheaper solution compared to buying a generic camera, computer, and the software to drive them.

I guess making a hand-held, all-in-one turnkey system is innovative. And having the motion capture at the same time is a plus. That might be the real innovation here rather than the static 3D models only.

Re:It's a photogrammetry camera + computer in one? (3, Interesting)

ajlitt (19055) | about a year and a half ago | (#43163417)

I met one of their devs at their table on Monday, and that's pretty much their pitch. The idea is that you can take scans and proof them in one go with a handheld gadget. If you've used 123D Catch, you know that you'll need to take a hundred or more shots of a single object to get a good scan. With this camera you can see if you've missed an occluded region or didn't catch a certain angle.

They scanned me at the booth, and given the 20 seconds or so it took to pan around me the model came out looking great. Unfortunately I forgot to ask for a copy of the model...

Local Control of your 3D data (4, Informative)

Guano_Jim (157555) | about a year and a half ago | (#43163059)

This looks a lot like Autodesk's 123D Catch, but the bonus here is you don't have to sign up for an account with Autodesk.

I for one would be pretty excited to have my 3D scan data local, so I don't have to wait for Autodesk's cloud to do the processing or have my scans tracked by a third party. I'm kind of not cool with Autodesk having a model of the inside of my bedroom, for instance.

I once did a 123D scan of a model sculpted out of banana bread: http://zheng3.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/yes-we-have-no-bananas/ [wordpress.com] --the resolution's OK but I don't think I'd use this technology for anything that I planned to deform or edit too much. The geometry's just too dense to work with easily.

Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (1, Troll)

citizenr (871508) | about a year and a half ago | (#43163295)

Its an Asus branded Kinect mounted in a box with a laptop/tablet.
I cracked up when he said "create quality models" while showing something you would see in Playstation 2/XBOX game.
The amount of bullshit about supercomputers was hard to listen :/

Why pay $120 for Kinect when you can pay $1800 on Kickstarter!

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43164469)

"Asus branded Kinect"

Not quite. Both sensors are based on the technology of Primesense: http://www.primesense.com/

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (3, Informative)

dubbreak (623656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43164517)

Why pay $120 for Kinect when you can pay $1800 on Kickstarter!

Because you are paying for a platform not a Kinect camera. It's software and hardware that are guaranteed to work together (which is a lot easier to support than software alone).

Sure they could sell the software alone, but I'm assuming that's the majority of the cost anyhow. I'd expect to pay over a grand for that software (and it would pay for itself quickly). With the amount of kickstarter backers it's obvious there are more than a few people that think they can get value out of it for the price.

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (1)

slew (2918) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168395)

Sure they could sell the software alone, but I'm assuming that's the majority of the cost anyhow. I'd expect to pay over a grand for that software...

We are here on /.
I think what you meant to convey was that you are sure that there is (or could be) an open source project dedicated to do this function with a connect available for free (say like OpenSource version of KinectFusion), but I'm too lazy to contribute and I just want something that works anyhow...

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (2)

dubbreak (623656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43170845)

Not lazy. It's simple economics. If I need something that works and I need it now, then "free" and partially working is not a solution.

I paid money for a game engine when there are free solutions out there. Why? Not laziness, it was for efficiency. The pay-for solution gets me onto multiple platforms quickly and that's what pays the bills. The free solutions create unpaid work.

In my spare time I might hack away at a project I find interesting to see where it gets me, but when it comes to business I need solutions that work now. Sometimes they are open source, sometimes they are proprietary. Obviously this isn't aimed at the hobbyist. And that's ok.

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43172953)

I would submit to you that from a strictly economic efficiency point of view, I'm not sure "investing" in a kickstarter product is substantially different than an open-source project. Both are probably equally unproven and one of them likely will result in a constantly improving code base available to you as part of your original investment. The other investment will become low-cost uncolaterlized capital loan to a private entity.

On the other hand, if you are just buying a proven product off the shelf (not a kickstarter project), that would be another kettle of fish and probably justifiable from an economic efficiency point of view.

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (2)

citizenr (871508) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168411)

Why pay $120 for Kinect when you can pay $1800 on Kickstarter!

Because you are paying for a platform not a Kinect camera. It's software and hardware that are guaranteed to work together (which is a lot easier to support than software alone).

Sure they could sell the software alone, but I'm assuming that's the majority of the cost anyhow. I'd expect to pay over a grand for that software (and it would pay for itself quickly). With the amount of kickstarter backers it's obvious there are more than a few people that think they can get value out of it for the price.

You want to pay over grand for FREE software?
http://www.cs.nuim.ie/research/vision/data/rgbd2012/ [cs.nuim.ie]
http://reconstructme.net/ [reconstructme.net]
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=kinect+motion+capture [google.com]

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (1)

dubbreak (623656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43170751)

You want to pay over grand for FREE software?

Forgetting the fact that one of your two actual examples is not free (for commercial use). Yes, I would pay. Why? Time == money.

If the solution gets me a model in a usable form quickly (no futzing, converting etc), then it's worth money. $1000 buys maybe a half week of someone's time. So if I can save 3 days work it has paid for itself.

Maybe that doesn't apply to you, but you can't assume that's the same for others. Not all of us have time to mess around with open source solutions that only get us 90% of the way. Just like how some will buy a 3d printer and others will make one (for significantly less). If your time is worth nothing, or it's just a hobby, then sure spend the time and save a few bucks. If you actually need to use it in a business (e.g. rapid prototyping) then building one yourself is a false economy.

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (1)

citizenr (871508) | about a year and a half ago | (#43172349)

You want to pay over grand for FREE software?

Forgetting the fact that one of your two actual examples is not free (for commercial use). Yes, I would pay. Why? Time == money.

If the solution gets me a model in a usable form quickly (no futzing, converting etc), then it's worth money. $1000 buys maybe a half week of someone's time. So if I can save 3 days work it has paid for itself.

Maybe that doesn't apply to you, but you can't assume that's the same for others. Not all of us have time to mess around with open source solutions that only get us 90% of the way. Just like how some will buy a 3d printer and others will make one (for significantly less). If your time is worth nothing, or it's just a hobby, then sure spend the time and save a few bucks. If you actually need to use it in a business (e.g. rapid prototyping) then building one yourself is a false economy.

You would be right IF we were talking about military grade software here, not repackaged kinect bundled with free software. Its like in the 3D printer example you gave - people still believe its either building Prusa and tweaking it for a month, or spending $2K on makerbot, unpacking it and printing within minutes. Newsflash - I dont know a single person with a makerbot that doesnt complain and tweak almost every time they want to print something (our hackerspace has two, they are almost always permanently broken). 3D printers that dont need tweaking and just work start at $20K. Same with 3D scanning systems. If you dont want tweaking and playing around with settings forget about kinect based solutions (unless you shell out for a software capable of driving 2-3 Kinects at once).

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43165429)

Except that yet, people use super computers and pay tens of thousands of dollars to create 3d models of real life objects and people.... Guess that makes you a completely ignorant? Or just completly idiotic? Haven't decided

Re:Its a Kinect glued to a tablet .. for $1800 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43165973)

Or they simply use one of the several Open Source implementations of KinectFusion and use a normal computer (with a decent GPU) and get their 3d models with the quality provided from this Startup...

Autodesk 123D (2)

Edis Krad (1003934) | about a year and a half ago | (#43164455)

I think you can get something similar for free right now from Autodesk [123dapp.com]

Re:Autodesk 123D (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43166067)

The major difference is the usage of the Depth-Camera. Have you ever tried to make a model of an untextured object with Autodesk?
You will also see more smoothing effects with the color camera so that for example creases in clothing will be much better captured by a rgbD-camera like Xtion or Kinect.

123d Catch anyone??? (1)

randombilly (1082811) | about a year and a half ago | (#43165575)

This is like a lower resolution version of something that I've had on my iphone for a year already... Weird. Ever heard of 123d Catch by Autodesk????

Roblimo got paid good money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43165695)

Stop ruining this ad with all your logical comments about hundreds of better free products on the market already!

Wanted to throw money at them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168191)

... but I just couldn't get to the FAQ answers. C'est la vie

TL:DW (1)

cyclomedia (882859) | about a year and a half ago | (#43169157)

Do they actually get around to showing it in action or is the whole 12 minutes just this guy talking?

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