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Blog Reveals a Chinese Military Hacker's Life Is One of Boredom and Bitterness

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the I'd-rather-farm-gold dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "People's Liberation Army hackers: they're just like us. As noted by IT security firm Mandiant, and detailed in a new article by The Los Angeles Times, a blogger calling themselves 'Rocy Bird' had posted several hundred blog entries over a three-year period about life as a Chinese military hacker. It wasn't the most exciting existence. He worked a normal workday—8 A.M. until 5:30 P.M., unless some project required late hours—and lived in a dorm. He dined often on instant noodles and enjoyed the television series 'Prison Break.' He spent lots of time online, even when off the clock. And like millions of people all over the world, he disliked many aspects of his job. 'What I can't understand is why all the work units are located in the most remote areas of the city,' the hacker, who the Times identified as having the family name Wang, wrote in a portion of a blog posting reprinted by the paper. 'I really don't get what those old guys are thinking in the beginning. They should at least take us young people into consideration. How can passionate young people like us handle a prison-like environment like this?'"

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Just in case (1, Offtopic)

GeneralTurgidson (2464452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166879)

That hot girl you're falling in love with is actually your daughter.

Enjoyed Prison Break... (5, Funny)

Tyrannicsupremacy (1354431) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166899)

GEE I wonder why!

Re:Enjoyed Prison Break... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168383)

The Chinese hackers I get hack my the ssh on my Ubuntu box and then connected via VNC(no password) to my home entertainment PC to pay server bills and buy Net Dragon online e-gift cards from Walmart.

omg (0)

turkeydance (1266624) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166909)

young people into consideration. i really don't like what these old guys..... Iron Age/Bronze Age/Stone....etc.

Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (4, Interesting)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166929)

Considering the attitudinal similarities between the Chinese military computer hackers and the "hackers"/I.T.workers in the US military branches, I wonder how long it will be until the Chinese have a Bradley Manning of their own?
;>)
Bite the wax tadpole, indeed. I wonder how you translate "Bradley Manning" into Mandarin or Cantonese? Tech workers are pushed around by slave-drivers and middle management everywhere in the world, in all possible environments. Did you catch how his manager was able to expense a $100-equivalent bottle of liquor while the keyboard-combatant couldn't even get $1 reimbursed for bus-ffare to attend a tech conference?
.
How do you translate "Dilbert" into Chinese? No need. It's all the same!

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167017)

Fuck China and fuck the USA. You think other countries don't have hackers? Fuck off!

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (1, Flamebait)

ButchDeLoria (2772751) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167207)

Other countries don't matter.

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167825)

Easy my Italian friend!

Won't work (-1, Offtopic)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167597)

The Chinese just execute 'em. If too many state secrets get out they'll relocate the malcontents to other provinces until they're too diluted to matter. Hilariously we did that here in America after Hurricane Katrina. They used Fema to move people who'd lost everything all over the country so they couldn't become a dangerous voting block...

Re:Won't work (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167719)

Someone needs to call JC Denton about this!

Re:Won't work (1)

Lotana (842533) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167821)

It is quite scary and enlightening to replay Deus Ex now. So much of it echoes of the current US position. Only real differences is that the Statue of Liberty is not bombed and UN does not hold power over the United States.

Oh and the game had NSF who actually got their shit together and fought back; In real life people just whine about the situation and do nothing.

Re:Won't work (5, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168603)

They used Fema to move people who'd lost everything all over the country so they couldn't become a dangerous voting block

That's the lamest conspiracy theory I've heard all week. Fema and the rest of the clowns involved in that circus were simply incompetent to the point of criminal neglect.

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167763)

Middle management is exactly what upper management wants them to be. You seem more upset with the head slaves than the slave owners.

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168517)

Does that make them the House Nigga?

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (5, Insightful)

xQx (5744) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167841)

So, how much longer until China realizes that all they need to do to fully replicate western society is to give their citizens a right to vote every 4 years between 'thing 1' and 'thing 2'.

It's no real surprise how similar it is to live in an economic society under communist rule as it is to live in an economic society under democratic rule when modern democracy has done everything it can to resist any push to reform into a method of governance that gives people actual choice, rather than the illusion of choice.

Bradley Manning's case is a great example of the difference between pissing off a communist party, and pissing off a military that reports to a democratic government.

In China, you get torture then execution.

In America, you get torture (or is that "subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques"), prison, a theatrical presentation for the benefit of the public called "fair trial", prison, then death.

You say tomato, I say tomato.

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (2)

Yaur (1069446) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168065)

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168541)

Thanks for the info and pointer. I knew I'd read about elections in China in a magazine before. I just had not searched for pointers. Democratic style town-hall meetings (the real ones that happen in New Hampshire and Vermont small towns) are where real democracy occurs. The rest of our republic/representative government is what we have in the rest of this united states of america, and there we are often limited to the two key "brands" of parties. Not very different from a sham choice, except that at least there is a real choice in who gets to run. Except for when the party bosses don't approve. Or in run-offs that are manipulated by changing the boundaries of voting districts. Or when the number of eligible voters is screwed with, in multiple and various ways. Or, etc.

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168207)

All they have to do is split the Communist Party into 2 parties and let voters vote for either Team A or Team B.

The Russians knew (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168591)

During Glasnost, Russian reporters on the American election noted not just how similar the US elections were to USSR ones (pick one of two) but how much BETTER the Americans had gotten at totally muzzling the press through unseen torture methods because at no point could the Russians see any sign of the American media asking akward or difficult questions. What terrible gulags must exist to put the fright into the press to such a degree!?!

Well... the answer is of course, the gulag of exile. Ask akward or non-pre-approved questions and you don't get access anymore to special events and then have to explain to your advertisers why your network/newspaper was the one not present at a press conference. It is a marvelous system. You can ask any question you want as a member of the free press at a press conference... you just won't be there to ask them.

The KGB had to actually get out of their chair to supress the media, get their hands bloody. The white house press officer just sends one less invite. It is not just the US doing this, ask the wrong questions and they can't keep you out of the official big gatherings, you just don't get access anymore to all the "optional" stuff. It is so simple but it is where democracy dies. It is not just the ones in power that do it, Palin only does things by invite and with pre-approved lists of questions. Wilders both bans AND is himself banned (right wing dutch politician).

Mind you, the catholics show the other method doesn't really work either. In theory any kardinal can be elected pope... so how come they got the rotten luck every single elected pope turns out to be a war criminal, child molesting bigot? I mean... what are the odds... unless every single catholic is a nasty piece of work... nah... that couldn't be the case could it? Or could it be that if the milk is spoiled, that which rises to the top is not the cream? That any person who makes it into a position of being elected ruler has had to swim in the cesspool for so long, they can't help but got tainted?

That it don't matter how many are up for election, they are all part of the system because the system is what nurtured them?

Geert Wilders is a right wing dutch politician who often bitches about "The Hague" which is our capitol hill. Tiny detail, he is one of the longest serving politicians. It is the clincher for many right wingers, if someone tells you business will solve everything and government is filled with useless people who can't do anything right... and they been in government for decades and have no business experience... do you believe them?

If you are a Republican, you should listen to richest people on this planet since they by your believe system are the most right. So... what do Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have to say about politics? Mmm?

We are the cesspool and our leaders are what floated to the top.

Re:The Russians knew (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168627)

So, what you're saying is, is that the status quo is God?

Re:Attitudinal similarities: screwed by managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167949)

I wonder how you translate "Bradley Manning" into Mandarin or Cantonese?

"Bradrey Manning."

Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (2, Informative)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166931)

Did he ever explore the steam tunnels? Take up lockpicking and go exploring places he wasn't supposed to go? Go looking for parquor lines? If you sit around in your underwear all day playing video games, you can't really complain when life went passing you by. The video games are there to make it do that.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166981)

Did he ever explore the steam tunnels? Take up lockpicking and go exploring places he wasn't supposed to go? Go looking for parquor lines?

Start a global thermonuclear war?

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167093)

Pff. The only way to win that game is not to play!

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167137)

parent and grandparent are karma whores / trying to go for the easy "+5 Funny" which translates to "look guys i can use a meme, so recognize me for it."

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

tautog (46259) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167455)

You must be new here.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (1, Informative)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167467)

If parent and grandparent were going for Karma, they should know that +Funny gives no Karma and hence would be rather pointless.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167905)

If parent and grandparent were going for Karma, they should know that +Funny gives no Karma and hence would be rather pointless.

Well day-yum. Why didn't somebody tell me sooner?

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167685)

Oh come on! No one's gone near that meme for 20 years! They didn't even HAVE memes back then! "All your base" STILL gets more forum time than this stuff! Sometimes you gotta go back to the classics!

Somebody set us up the bomb. (0, Offtopic)

xQx (5744) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167851)

Mod me up! Mod me up!

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167921)

All your base" STILL gets more forum time than this stuff!

Probably because most of the competition comes from fart jokes.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168629)

Trivia: The term "meme" goes back to the 70's, it was coined by Richard Dawkins in his book "The selfish gene".

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168621)

Why the snark? Did someone shit in your morning coffee?

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (3, Insightful)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166985)

Something tells me that's the kind of stuff that gets you disappeared in China.
  Probably not worth the risk. Hell, it's hardly even worth the risk in North America...

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167047)

Hell, it's hardly even worth the risk in North America...

In North America, everything is illegal, off limits, or for authorized personnel only, and with rather stiff consequences if you're caught. We have a higher incarceration rate than China. So I say, if you're really going to have the democratic spirit...

Ignore all that shit, and do it anyway.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167135)

Idiot.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167371)

Idiot.

Sorry, missed two spaces and auto-correct screws up your sentence.

The proper parent post: I do it.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168861)

That is freaking hilarious

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (3, Funny)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167293)

Actually the incarceration rate in China is pretty much 100%.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168707)

same as the old ol' USA

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167453)

Regarding incarnation rates, in China they have extrajudicial sentencing, and you get to volunteer your body to medical science when the sentence is carried out. Communi-capitalism is neat, huh?

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167727)

In China, there is a common conception that everything is illegal and the only thing that matters is being successful before you get noticed. Then you get to join "the club". But if you're the odd-man-out you're going to do life or worse. In China you have to engage in graft to get around laws designed to enforce their take on communism.

In the US one does not need to risk a moral abiguity or legality to have a summer home. But if you want to become really weathy, you're probably going to have to stain you soul. Fortunately for us, even this doesn't mean jail time and often it is a legal way of doing buisiness. There are plenty of prediagnosed alzhiemer retired persons with over a million dollars in savings that will gladly sign a 30 year anuity for a fat payday...

But yeah, regarding the incarceration rates in the US, being a pot smoker must suck.

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168189)

Louisiana alone has a higher incarceration rate than China.....

Re:Surely There's Something Interesting To Do (3, Interesting)

Molochi (555357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168387)

I think it's pretty easy to fall into dispair when you are young. The truth is that for anyone sane, money does buy happiness. You know what makes you happy and nothing will get you what you need to do that but money...unless your happiness focuses on being a monk.

Of course I'm assuming the western notion of property rights that taunt the people of China...

Sounds like an American drone pilot... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43166935)

It's like a Chinese version of an American drone pilot, but with less blood on his hands, and more noodles on his plate.

Older (1, Interesting)

cultiv8 (1660093) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166945)

Yes, everyday. *first thought when I see the new homepage next button*

Re:Older (1, Funny)

cornholed (1312635) | about a year and a half ago | (#43166967)

If only the newer butter actually did something on the first page, like baconize the site or order me a pizza.

/., are you looking for a web developer?

Re:Older (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167795)

If you right-click it, you can open the same page in a new tab. This is about as useful as most new things they put on Slashdot...

"themselves"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43166959)

"himself"

Boredom and bitterness? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43166975)

No shit, it's called working in IT.

what's an "exciting" existence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43166993)

do readers here have those? do most people have those?

Re:what's an "exciting" existence? (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167025)

Most people don't, and I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't want an "exciting" existence. Ever heard the old curse "may you live in interesting times"?

Think about it and you know why it's a curse.

Re:what's an "exciting" existence? (1)

Molochi (555357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168275)

Another opinion...

you can sleep when you're dead.

If you don't push yourself you might as well be sleeping or dead.

You don't need to try to kill yourself, but at least make the health insurance pay for it.

Re:what's an "exciting" existence? (1)

Molochi (555357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168225)

When I lived in Atlanta I liked my IT jobs, hated the non tech execs, dispised the South, and hated my life even though i had a lot of great friends. But the day to day realy wore on me.

Today, I still enjoy working in IT and I live 8miles from Snowbird/Alta. It really is the best snow on this Earth. In the summer I can push my bike up Cottonwood Canyon and put my bike on the lift in Park City, that's pretty fun. And I can see Mountain Goats and Moose on a hike. Hunting too if you're into that. Or climb a little moutain for a nice view. I've got plenty of excitement,

I don't have anyone to talk to seriously yet, because I'm basicly not a dogmatic asshole (religious, liberal or conservitive) and I'm not LDS or a tatooed freak methhead. If you're into that kind of drama there is plenty of that here in SLC. But the slopes are full of normal humans too. I'm sure i'll find that conclave of like minded people that exists here full time eventually.

But on excitement I'm OK and i recommend it.

military life (5, Insightful)

memnock (466995) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167005)

Based on the comment in the summary: what did this person think the military was like? Perhaps the people that recruited him sold him a bill of goods: 'Protect the Fatherland! China faces threats on multiple fronts! It'll be better than World of Warcraft and The Matrix combined! Your skill set and our resources will be cracking secrets everywhere in Europe and the U.S.A. and you'll be a hero and celebrated! You'll be part of the select group protecting us from the evil outside our borders that doesn't recognize our sovereignty."

Re:military life (3, Interesting)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167973)

China technically has universal military conscription, it's entirely possible he's not doing it by choice.

Re:military life (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168199)

Not true. You are confusing China with Korea (both of them).

China has a large enough population, a large percentage of which still living in poverty, that there are no shortage of people who are willing recruits. Besides, unlike America, China isn't fighting wars with anyone (not yet, at least), so there is no danger in a military career.

The Chinese military is genuinely, entirely voluntary.

Re:military life (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168915)

Typical chicom propaganda ..

"genuinely, entirely voluntary"? Only in the same way that foxconn employees "voluntarily" kill themselves.
"China isn't fighting wars with anyone"? Tell that to the philippinos and vietnamese and see how they laugh at claims that china is a peaceful country.

Take your propaganda shill ..

Re:military life (1)

AchilleTalon (540925) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167993)

This guy complains for nothing, after all he could have been a North Korean hacker.

Re:military life (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168063)

In the PDRK, the closest thing to hacking is a bi-annual whittling competition.

So lets recap shall we? (5, Interesting)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167055)

A computer security firm 'found' a blog whose source cannot be verified. The content of the blog, apparently written by a specialist computer security agent of the Chinese government, talked about:

- The Chinese military
- The Chinese leadership
- Hacking techniques
- Hacking targets
- Lifestyles of government employed hackers

And was derisive. The Chinese government didn't happen to notice that one of their military intelligence agents living in a military dorm was regularly posting derisive and secret information for 3 years. Just to state the bleedingly obvious here, but this would never happen in the US and the Chinese are much stricter on information control.

So do you trust the Los Angeles Times and a private security agency pitching for government contracts, or ... common sense?

Take the red pill.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167193)

So you're saying Bradley Manning is a fabrication and not a real person?

Re:So lets recap shall we? (0)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167509)

So you're saying Bradley Manning is a fabrication and not a real person?

Are you talking about the Bradley Manning who was incarcerated 3 years ago for a single secret release of classified material to a famously secure website?

Or are you talking about the other Bradley Manning who spent 3 years writing a public blog about secret military operations and is currently roaming freely somewhere in the mid-west writing reviews of ice-cream parlours under his secret identity .. 'BManning'?

Re:So lets recap shall we? (1)

X.25 (255792) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168217)

So you're saying Bradley Manning is a fabrication and not a real person?

So you're saying Bradley had been posting secrets on his blog for 3 years?

Re:So lets recap shall we? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167619)

This.

It is blindingly obvious that a PR campaign has been going on around "cyber war" and "cyber terrorism" and aimed at China.

It is also blindingly obvious that the public at large will eat this horseshit right up and vote for whoever promises the most "cyber security".

It worries me how this might go...

Re:So lets recap shall we? (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167873)

Yeah, except this kind of article doesn't make me think, "Yeah! Let's get those sneaky bastards! I'm in! Time for a Great Firewall of America!"...

It just makes me feel bad for some individual somewhere, that his life is just as mundane as anyone else's, and that he's seemingly unmotivated to perform his duty at top effort.

Not exactly the kind of message you want to send if you're hell-bent on promoting a cyber war or whatever.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (4, Insightful)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168039)

It just makes me feel bad for some individual somewhere, that his life is just as mundane as anyone else's, and that he's seemingly unmotivated to perform his duty at top effort. Not exactly the kind of message you want to send if you're hell-bent on promoting a cyber war or whatever

The lies will come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. This particular lie is promoting the idea that Chinese citizenry are down trodden, unhappy and poorly fed. The best and brightest are locked in jails and forced to work long hours without socialisation. There's always some truth in the lies, that's what makes them so compelling. That this particular lie feeds on the truth (that some Chinese workers live in poor or even terrible conditions) to construct something conceivably possible is simply the artistry in the campaign. eg. You believe it.

Always question things. This particular report comes with no evidence, no source, nothing to believe whatsoever. At best, it could be summarized as a story, fiction. It's delivered by a private security company, broadcast by a multi-national corporation and submitted to the largest tech news site on the web. To find the truth, follow the money .. it's pretty clear where the money is in this story.

Personally, I never drank Kool-Aid.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168107)

The lies will come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. This particular lie is promoting the idea that Chinese citizenry are down trodden, unhappy and poorly fed. The best and brightest are locked in jails and forced to work long hours without socialisation. There's always some truth in the lies, that's what makes them so compelling. That this particular lie feeds on the truth (that some Chinese workers live in poor or even terrible conditions) to construct something conceivably possible is simply the artistry in the campaign. eg. You believe it.

But many of the Chinese citizenry are downtrodden, unhappy and poorly fed. As a result, if they are like me, some of them are going to feel a desperate need to express themselves about it. It's what you expect from a nation that a few decades ago had pretty much nothing.

Also, out of curiousity: Can you describe precisely and in great detail how it causes harm to China, and how it would be worthy of a years-long propaganda effort, to present this idea? I find the vision of the harm caused to be somewhat unclear so I would be interested to hear your view of it.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (1)

lexsird (1208192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168375)

Or ...are you a clever counter intel agent? If so, ni hao.

By the way, please get your half retarded monkey known as the NORKS back on a leash and grow the fuck up over the fishing area conflicts with Japan. Please? Japan, they are our friends and they are brilliant, they might seriously fuck you up with something we don't know about. Also, they have had a break through that could render oil as the main power source obsolete. We would all love to tell the Middle East to go fuck itself, no?

We have space and science projects to work on, please promote peace. The fucking war machines aren't very profitable, now are they? You can't plant rice with a rifle, and you can't harvest corn with a nuke. Get a grip on the "cyber warfare" please, Washington might be looking to mug you of your lunch money so they can pay you back our loans. This "Cyber Warfare is REAL WARFARE" smacks of something out of Dr Strangelove, we don't need melodramatics from either side.

Stop distracting us from our own highly entertaining internal politics.

By the way, fuck you for Wal-Mart, we should carpet bomb you all to death with 100mt nukes, killing even the cockroaches, all for that backstabbing double dealing economic brick you threw through our living room window. What's that?? I can't hear them either, dem Subs...lol....the ones with the nukes that are parked really fucking close...or are they? That's the problem with having a big red button that makes things go BOOOOOM. You want to touch it. It calls to you. It says "Touch me...pweeeeze".

But enough of that, we're all friends, we all just want to get along. Right? God, I love the modern world!

I got a feeling that if we don't get our shit together as a planet, we are going to really be surprised with someone else shows up to the party. By someone else, I mean someone from out of the neighborhood, as in not from EARTH. I really want to know more about that shit that hit Russia. WTF...? We need to start thinking as a species, all of us on the same fucking rock that is statistically overdue for some cataclysmic shit to happen. As the sweet gal says "Ain't nobody got time for that!"

Promote peace and science, fuck war, seriously, I think something worse is coming.

  Kool-Aid, don't drink it unless you make it. I like grape, oh yeah!

Re:So lets recap shall we? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168887)

Personally, I never drank Kool-Aid.

That's fine, but if you've been drinking grape Flavor Aid [wikipedia.org] as a substitute, contact that National Capital Poison Center at 1-800-222-1222.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168035)

To invite you to consider a different perspective:

The goal of propaganda historically has often been to dehumanize the average person in the enemy nation. That makes it easier to support their deaths in war.

People describing their daily frustrations is the opposite of dehumanizing.

To some eyes, criticism like this of the Chinese government and leadership is a way of weakening resolve and tarnishing a glorious image. To me personally, it just makes it more personal to hear about if they come to harm.

That said, I haven't read much of it at all. I can agree that it might be a false flag thing if there's some very serious allegations mixed in with a lot of things "everyone knows" to increase the legitimacy. But that the Chinese military has lots of employed hackers is already something everyone knows. And the average employed hacker is unlikely to go as far as disclosing core secrets, so if it's real, I doubt that he would cross that line.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (2, Insightful)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168089)

But that the Chinese military has lots of employed hackers is already something everyone knows

Call me ignorant. The Chinese government claims it isn't hacking, and I've yet to see evidence to the contrary. Hyperbole, allegations, lies .. these all come in droves. Proof? Not a drop

I'd be shocked if the Chinese government didn't have defensive hacking capabilities. They probably even have offensive hacking capabilities. I'm positively certain that the Australian government has cyber security professionals on the payroll (because I've seen banner ads recruiting people for the jobs) and we all know that the US government has hackers on the payroll because they trumpet 'Cyber Security' left right and centre.

What you say 'everyone knows' about China has only been strenuously denied by the Chinese government.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168175)

This is a black and white view of "evidence".

A great number of institutions, admittedly many of them based in the US, but also in Europe, have stated that they have seen concentrated hacking efforts coming out of China. Sure, some of them may be "encouraged" by the US government to make statements like that, but knowing the personalities of competent people in the IT space, very much encouragement would blow up and bite them very easily. In this case it's unlikely to be so much smoke without fire, as they say.

Of course, that doesn't fulfil the "scientific" standard of evidence. If there was a trial in an international court based on guilty-beyond-reasonable-doubt, the allegations wouldn't stack up. But there is.. "probabilistic evidence", so to speak.

This blog doesn't change that picture in any way. It doesn't add "true evidence" in a black and white world, but it's simply one of an untold number of more probabilistic pieces of evidence. I admit that it serves to confirm a view a tiny bit more, but if you are trying to fight a view that a number of security experts in different countries have concluded, you are fighting an uphill battle and there's no way to do it and look good.

Re:So lets recap shall we? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168655)

Call me ignorant. The Chinese government claims it isn't hacking, and I've yet to see evidence to the contrary

You're ignorant.

You wouldn't know evidence if someone were to print all of the evidence out, roll it up, and whack you on your thick head with it.

Remind me of WMD in Iraq (4, Insightful)

hackingbear (988354) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168147)

Exactly! This whole sage has suddenly been blown up recently. They have the full control of their routers and gateway and can fake network addressing information anyway they want, if it is a serious spy operation. Besides, anyone who really know China should know that government departments or employees in china are almost ways just work for their own projects for their own profits, rather than that of the country's.

This whole saga reminds me of the WMD in Iraq claim before the Iraq war. It was so convinced at the time that Iraq was building/storing massive WMD that aimed at US... until we spent trillions of dollar and thousands of lives to find out the whole thing is a flop. So many defense contractors who were friendly to the ruling parties got big rainfall, and nobody really got punished for such terrible intelligence.

This time, though, we will never find out the truth, because we can't possibly invade China to find out. We will just keep spending $$$. Thanks a lot!

WORD: SUX TO BE COMMIE !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167081)

Better dead than red !!

Re:WORD: SUX TO BE COMMIE !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168121)

The difference between Chinese style state-capitalism and US style fascism is even less than the difference between capitalism and authoritarian communism.

Original blog? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167101)

Anyone able to find a link to the original blog? (Even if it is in Chinese - Méiguanxì...)

Re:Original blog? (1)

clockwise_music (594832) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168091)

That's what I want to know... this is the INTERNET people, haven't we heard of hyperlinks?? Is this slashdot or what?

No way!...?! (1)

XiaoMing (1574363) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167345)

You mean to tell me that such an organized, concerted and government-directed effort by the Chinese to hack other countries on a corporate and national scale is actually BORING?

I can't believe it isn't more of a grass-roots effort with neat 3D graphics and Jolie boobs like in the movie Hackers!!

Re:No way!...?! (2)

KillDaBOB (206494) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167531)

Hack the Gibson!

Re:No way!...?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167649)

My raspberry pi is named 'TheGibson'

Re:No way!...?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167639)

Be nice or i will write a gooey interface in visual basic to track your IP!

a blogger calling themselves (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167389)

Sybil.

Rocy's linkedin page.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167399)

... says that Rocy Bird currently works for HTC in Taiwan.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rocy-bird/38/428/74a

Re:Rocy's linkedin page.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167625)

Clearly that's his cover.

Re:Rocy's linkedin page.. (1)

TheLink (130905) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168245)

The hacker rocy bird left the military in 2008. So maybe it's the same guy.

Not the least bit surprised (4, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167445)

I am probably well known for pointing out the issues of the Chinese gov. However, I think that the average Chinese, like any other person on this planet, loves his nation, hates his gov, and simply wants to live and enjoy life. This blog supports this case, though it could easily be written by the propaganda unit.

Re:Not the least bit surprised (4, Interesting)

radio4fan (304271) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168921)

When I moved to France, I went to a language school and many of the other students were Chinese.

We had to do oral presentations on a subject of our own choosing, and one of the Chinese students explained the system of democracy in China. The local people elect a representative, the representatives elect people further up the chain, congress, deputies, etc, etc, right up to the president.

The Chinese students thought this was perfect democracy in action, and were baffled that the Europeans, Africans and New Worlders couldn't understand how wonderful and flawless the system was. When we pointed out that there was only one party, they indignantly said there were several parties to choose from: more than in France.

On the subject of censorship, they thought it was necessary to protect the country, and made hand-waving explanations that things were different in China.

These kids were the offspring of the kind of Chinese families who could afford to send their children to study in France, so no doubt are not representative of the population as a whole, but it was still a real eye-opener for me, who had kind of assuming that the Chinese would want the same kind of (imperfect) democracy we have in the West.

Personally, I still think it's basically down to indoctrination, but if so, it's evidently pretty effective indoctrination.

Why not outsource to the US? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167489)

If they don't like their jobs, why not outsource it to someone in the US?

Re:Why not outsource to the US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168281)

Dibs!

Re:Why not outsource to the US? (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about a year and a half ago | (#43168755)

Likely there is a whole lot of outsourcing going on. You can bet those that are whinging are those involved in projects with no money making opportunities. So the government does the hack and 'er' 'um' drops the project and 'er' 'um' private contractors pick up the proceeds but of course the blame stays with the government.

You can imagine the problems this will create all over the world, the level of out of control corruption it will inevitably create. Private theft facilitated by government penetration, the modern day digital privateer.

So legalised theft from private banks simply because they are based in a targeted country. Industrial espionage sold on the open market, I wonder readily they will sell it to competitors located in the same country. Personal revenge, for profit blackmail and extortion and, political machinations. How much of it will they try to blame on 'Anonymous' and how many dupes will they create year in and year out to take the blame for everything? How often will those cyber weapons be turned against those countries that created them by the for profit contractors?

Check this out... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167555)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4839271/North-Korean-video-shows-dystopian-America.html

Re:Check this out... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167799)

I was very sure I picked a hint of "pythonesque" humor in the voice over so I googled and yup, it's a hoax [huffingtonpost.com]

Moral (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167569)

Moral of the story is that you wont be paid as well working for the government in a technical position. It might be a more reliable job, but its not worth it.

Also don't join the military if you don't like long spells of boredom sitting in a shitty room (if your lucky) god knows where with k-rations wearing a uniform.

Not all that different from an American (1)

elucido (870205) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167645)

I doubt American hackers have lives which aren't bitter and boring as well. That is the life of a hacker.

Welcome to the Army. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43167797)

Young soldier welcome to the Army.

Learn from GCHQ/NSA (4, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43167813)

prison-like environment, remote areas of the city.
Sounds like the growing pains of the 1950-60's GCHQ and NSA stations around the "Commonwealth" land for signal bases swap.
The conditions in the UK bases where cash strapped - any money raised was going to exotic expensive new equipment and keeping the USA very happy.
The Russians where fast to pick up on the gifted young men and woman in distant lands with very low wages, mounting lifestyle costs and young families.
Add in a cold command structure left over from past wars and many where open to waiting Russian offers.
What has China (and other spook agencies) learned?
Young people with dreams might walk out - dont hire skilled people with any strange imaginations.
Keep tourists, business types, diplomates in other parts of the country/city. If the foreigners venture out they are easy to note.
Hire gifted locals, from trusted families with deep village backgrounds. If you walk out the pain will be massive - up and down the family tree,
If China wants more from its staff they should follow the GCHQ reforms of the 1970-90's (excluding the union issues) - wage and basic working condition improvements.
Drop the military feel - even something as simple as the endless tight "dress" uniforms can make a huge difference to the quality of everyday life to a young officer.
Cash the staff up and offer massive extra rewards for extra long term study (NSA is great at that ;) ).
If China lets the "anguished person" thing fester they will suffer.
The UK and USA where able to profile and wage up their staff to fix that issue. Long term China will have to make some huge cash investments in domestic tech.
The internet in the USA always was and will be a NSA play thing - totally open to 'cyber command' and will soon go on the offence.
"not elite uber-hackers" seems to show China is just learning like the UK did in the 1950-70's with US tech.
What can China do? Face down the NSA on the "internet" - that did not work well for the Russians.
Go for soft US personal with issues and buy them to sell out the USA? The NSA keeps its staff and exstaff close.
Or just keep chipping away with a broad front of masses of staff hoping a few get into some US box thats open to scripts?
The only problem for the USA is its own staff pushing for cloud and networking - somehow "all" the data been shared will give them insights.
Many spy agencies have lost generations of work due to massive data loss in one go due to a person and in the future a script/hack.
Russia will aim for the person or site, China is going for everything and will see what drops out :)
All the NSA can do is keep its gems off the network - but the demands of contracts with political/mil friends with cloud tools for sale will be fun to watch.

Re:Learn from GCHQ/NSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168079)

These are some very good points.

I have no doubt that the Chinese military are going to lengths to track down this person right now though.

Unfortunately I'm not very hopeful on this behalf. The worst thing that could happen, and what would harm my image of China far more than the blog in its current state (yeah, I have no doubt they are reading this as well) would be if it suddenly changes tone to consistent praise of the Chinese government and glorious nation. Try to learn from this instead of crushing average people underfoot for showing human tendencies.

Stop complaining (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43168405)

Stop complaining, sent your comrade chief porn links or porn video

Heck - let flood the party chief with porn video !!

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