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Microsoft To Abandon Windows Phone?

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the red-headed-step-child dept.

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symbolset writes "Microsoft has had some trouble as of late getting adoption of their mobile products. Even Bill Gates has said it was inadequate. Despite rave reviews of Windows Phone in the press it has failed to get double digit share of the smartphone market. Now comes reports from WMPoweruser that WP8 will lose mainstream support in July 2014."

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Good news (0, Troll)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199217)

Neener neener!

Re:Good news (5, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199565)

Not going to believe it until/unless they stop selling the phones (and w/o a new version being offered).

All said, Microsoft likely makes enough money from the Great Android Extortion, so even if they stopped distributing WP8 tomorrow morning, they'd still make money hand-over-fist.

(OTOH, how would you think Nokia would react if such a thing happened?)

Re:Good news (2)

MrDoh! (71235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199865)

Nokia won't be around, after all the patents/engineers will be at MS by then.

Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9 (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199219)

Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9. How long will Google update Android 3.x or even 4.0?

Trololol samzenpuss, trololol.

As long as it fills their back pockets (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199329)

How long will Google update Android 3.x or even 4.0?

Google have been pretty good at providing continuous updates for earlier versions of Androids. In fact they will provide updates as long as the phone is good. Their business model covers this. Apple and Microsoft's business model does not.

Re:As long as it fills their back pockets (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199405)

The real world calls bullshit [android.com]

If you want updates, buy Nexus (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199455)

"If you want updates, buy Nexus." Is there a problem with that rule of thumb, other than that U.S. prepaid carriers tend not to carry Nexus phones?

Re:If you want updates, buy Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199495)

Koodo never provided updates to the Nexus S sold in early '11. At least the phone's never reported one available. Apps, yeah, but not the phone.

Re:If you want updates, buy Nexus (2)

dakohli (1442929) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199521)

Updates for Nexus phones are independent of the carriers.

Re:If you want updates, buy Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199603)

He was commenting how if you want a nexus phone you need to use prepaid, nothing about the updates to nexus...

Re:If you want updates, buy Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199689)

I have a Nexus S, which has never been offered an update.

Re:As long as it fills their back pockets (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199507)

Er did you just criticize iOS over Android for update availability?

For someone who professes to know of business models, you are pretty out of it.

Re:As long as it fills their back pockets (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199569)

That is nonsense there is no reason at all the Xoom couldn't have run Android 4.2

They support the latest and the second latest Tablet and Phone.

Microsoft are better when it comes to updates I have found. They don't break things or change things for the sake of them.
(Or to account for developer stupidity.)

Re:As long as it fills their back pockets (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199791)

And it can run 4.2, just not well. You see, there are no hardware acceleration drivers for that device released by its manufacturer. Its got absolutely nothing to do with Google, and everything to do with Motorola.

Re:Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9 (4, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199381)

Probably longer than Windows phones will, but yes, given that the smartphone market is a ~2 year turnaround business that probably means they're freezing anything new for WP8 nowish, and by this time next year they'll be winding up anything WP8 specific and they'll have WP9 out the door (or 8.1 or whatever it ends up being).

Re:Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9 (1, Informative)

fermion (181285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199415)

Given that MS has said it will release a new product every six months, and that MS seldom provides mainstream support for old product(read: new computers always are sold with current products), this is like the case. July 2014 will make current products two releases old. MS is likely only going to support current and previous release. Alternatively, it may be that by the end of the year all devices will be migrated to Windows RT.

Re:Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9 (4, Informative)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199687)

Er, that likely means they'll be on WP9. How long will Google update Android 3.x or even 4.0?

Trololol samzenpuss, trololol.

Especially since MS has come out and said that all wp8 devices will be upgradable to wp9. It even says as much on TFA linked in TFS. Way to deliberately mislead readers, samzenpus. There's a career in politics somewhere out there for you.

I doubt it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199227)

Balmer certainly appears all-in on the WP8, as part of his "Microsoft integrated everywhere, on everything!" strategy (Win8/WP8/Surface/O365).

More likely, it's just part of the push to release everything quicker, more often, and more detriment to the consumer who must constantly re-purchase everything.

That is not going to work. (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199365)

it's just part of the push to release everything quicker, more often, and more detriment to the consumer who must constantly re-purchase everything.

I know Microsoft shafted their customers over windows Phone 7 [and earlier versions] sacrificing a 10% smartphone marketshare for 2%, but you can only do so for so long. That 2% they have now they can expect to drop [to nothing] if they continue to abuse its customer base.

HAHAHAHAHAHA (-1)

farrellj (563) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199231)

Last year, a friend of mine got a windows phone...and I told him he should bring it back, and get either an Android or an Apple phone. He asked why, and I said that MS has a habit of abandoning mobile platforms...he didn't believe me....I deserve +1 for Prescience! :-)

Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (5, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199275)

No you deserve -42 for believing a /. headline about Microsoft. The article says the following at the bottom, "On the other hand the OS support date is reset with any never version of the OS, so a Windows Phone 8.5 or 9 update in November 2013 would bring along its own 18 month of security updates. Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system."

Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199325)

Yes exactly. Clearly a case of RTFA and Misleading headline.

Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199517)

Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system.*

*For sufficiently loose definitions of "current".

never, "NEVER", instead of new (2)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199607)

So both your quote and another person quoting the article above had the same interesting mis-spelling (or is a freudian slip-of-the-fingers which actually reveals that MS will never update the OS for current window-phone owners [or should we call them widow-phone owners, as they'll be left widowed when the next update comes up ;>) ] )
.
Here's what the article said:
On the other hand the OS support date is reset with any never [sic] version of the OS, so a Windows Phone 8.5 or 9 update in November 2013 would bring along its own 18 month of security updates. Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system. [emphasis mine, misspelling is in the original article

So it could be freudian, and what the author was really thinking slipped through his typing fingers: it will neverhappen that newer OS upgrades will be provided to current windows-phone users.
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Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199293)

schadenfreude fail. you're just getting played by a link bait headline. they'll be on WP9 by then.

Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199491)

Dude, its a phone. Curb your virginity.

Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199747)

Wow. You're a dumb fuck. Too bad your UID is so low. It's deceiving.

Re:HAHAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199851)

Once you've been around here long enough it's no longer deceiving, it's telling.

Headline title is sensational (3, Informative)

Omicron32 (646469) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199235)

Ridiculous headline title. All this means is they're going to be moving onto the next version of the OS by then (WP9?). Speculating that they're going to leave the phone market entirely is a little far-fetched at present.

Re:Headline title is sensational (4, Insightful)

pablomme (1270790) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199313)

Ridiculous headline title.

And a great example of Betteridge's law of headlines [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Headline title is sensational (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199641)

Betteridge's law of headlines is mentioned only in the articles that it fits.

Re:Headline title is sensational (5, Informative)

Moggyboy (949119) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199347)

I agree the headline title is sensational, but have you forgotten what "moving on to the next version of the OS" meant for us idiots who bought WP7 phones? Or for those of us who spent a couple of years skilling up in Silverlight? After the treatment we have been given over the last five years, I for one will not be buying another Microsoft product any time soon, and I would certainly not trust any assurance that WP8 phone owners will receive the next major version of the operating system. Will that new version retain your music collection? Your preferences? Your apps? Will the apps you've written still work? Who knows?!?

WP8 compatibility - forward and backward (3, Interesting)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199681)

While WP7 is different from WP8, WP8 is based on the common architecture of NT 6.2 which will be used as the basis of current and future Windows OSs. So while WP8 may have broken compatibility w/ 7, the same need not necessarily be true of WP 9 and beyond.

I do agree that Microsoft should have had a way to upgrade WP7 phones w/ WP8. Although I wonder to what extent the carriers or OEMs (like Nokia) might have to say about that. For the OEMs, such an ability would simply mean that new phones not be bought, while for the carriers, it could involve unlocking the phones (which in the US would mean that a carrier, having financed a phone, now has to eat the costs while that phone can be used to switch to a competitor).

Re:WP8 compatibility - forward and backward (5, Insightful)

Moofie (22272) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199805)

And all you have to do is trust that Microsoft will not abandon their existing customers.

I'll leave the consideration of that track record as an exercise for the audience.

Re:Headline title is sensational (4, Interesting)

Isca (550291) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199361)

From the original article:

On the other hand the OS support date is reset with any never version of the OS, so a Windows Phone 8.5 or 9 update in November 2013 would bring along its own 18 month of security updates. Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system.

8.5 comes this summer. Some of the phones released this summer are already being promised to work with 9.0 which comes out next summer. All windows phones will be able to update to the next version at least which then updates the security updates. Some phones will even go longer. This is not that much different from Android updates. I would speculate 3rd party unlocks will allow updating to 9 on the current 8 phones that the manufacturers don't update.

Re:Headline title is sensational (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199519)

There are two kinds of Androids. Nexus, and non-Nexus. Which ones get updates again?

And when we are talking about market share, should we differentiate the two?

Re:Headline title is sensational (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199613)

There are two kinds of Androids. Nexus, and non-Nexus. Which ones get updates again?

Asus Transformers?

Mostly seems to be the cheap, crap phones and tablets that don't get upgrades.

Re:Headline title is sensational (1)

RandomFactor (22447) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199749)

Tell it to my LG G-Slate.

Abandoning a platform (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199387)

All this means is they're going to be moving onto the next version of the OS by then (WP9?). Speculating that they're going to leave the phone market entirely is a little far-fetched at present.

Is that not just the same thing.

Re:Headline title is sensational (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199541)

The headline is FUD. I expect MS to sue over patent violation since I'm pretty sure they patented Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

Time for the next major point release (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199237)

Yes, WP8 will be abandoned... for WP8.5 or WP9.

Fixed that (3, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199395)

Yes, WP8 will be abandoned... for WP8.5 or WP9.

Yes, WP8 customerswill be abandoned... for WP8.5 or WP9.

Fixed it for you...they will call it Windows phone 8.8, which they will day is the same as 9 :)

Re:Fixed that (3, Interesting)

Goaway (82658) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199623)

Now I know what we all think about actually reading articles around here, but,

Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system.

Perception is reality (5, Insightful)

RightwingNutjob (1302813) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199243)

Microsoft is still dealing with the fact that their flagship products throughout the 1990's are almost universally associated with crashes, poor performance, and overhyped marketing. It bit them with the Zune, and now it's biting them with the phones. You know why XBox is so big? It doesn't have the word 'Windows' or 'Microsoft' in its name, and it had (still has?) its own business unit with its own management structure not tied to Windows.

Perception is Reality (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199437)

Microsoft is still dealing with the fact that their flagship products throughout the 1990's are almost universally associated with crashes, poor performance, and overhyped marketing. It bit them with the Zune, and now it's biting them with the phones. You know why XBox is so big?

Except the reality is Windows Phone [was] is not very good, [125 REASONS NOT TO BUY A WINDOWS PHONE 7.5 http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034%5D [my-symbian.com] . The harsh truth is it was never a serious competitor which will hurt Microsoft in the future, as its potential customers continue to get burnt....it will end up like the Zune.

...oh and the Xbox yeah it lost to last generation model, and drew with Sony who produced a product at what can only kindly be called premium, at the cost of Billions to the company.

Re:Perception is Reality (5, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199543)

The harsh truth is it was never a serious competitor which will hurt Microsoft in the future, as its potential customers continue to get burnt....it will end up like the Zune.

Windows Phone 7.5 still works fine. Windows Phone 8.0 works even better (more features). I don't know anybody with a Windows Phone (myself included) that feels that they have gotten "burnt" from the product. Not that it's relevant anymore, but that link you provided wasn't exactly 100% accurate, either. Your "harsh truth" is really anything but.

Re:Perception is Reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199799)

Well, the 100K employee global firm I work for will not allow WP 7.x phones to connect to its Exchange servers since it cannot be managed remotely by Activesync to lock/wipe if the device is lost. However, WinMo 5/6.x, iOS, and Android 2.2+ devices ARE allowed to connect. Dunno what their stance is on WP 8 - can it be managed via Activesync protocol now?

YMMV

Re:Perception is Reality (1)

TheRealSlimShady (253441) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199871)

They both can, your 100K employee global firm is simply wrong. WP7 & 8 both support remote wipe. They don't have much other management, but they do support remote wipe.

Re:Perception is Reality (2)

rjch (544288) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199571)

Except the reality is Windows Phone [was] is not very good, [125 REASONS NOT TO BUY A WINDOWS PHONE 7.5 http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034%5D [my-symbian.com] .

Referring us to the web site of a competitor's product to convince us that Windows mobile is not good is about as asinine as referring us to Microsoft's web site to prove that OSX is a bad operating system. They're not going to be impartial!

Even if my-symbian.com isn't a site run by Nokia, it's going to be a site run by fanboys who are even less likely to be impartial.

Re:Perception is reality (2, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199471)

Microsoft is still dealing with the fact that their flagship products throughout the 1990's are almost universally associated with crashes, poor performance, and overhyped marketing. It bit them with the Zune, and now it's biting them with the phones.

No, Windows Phone 8 is really good (I like it better than the other Big Two), and all of the reviews for it are almost universally very positive. Windows Phone 8 doesn't crash, doesn't have poor performance, or overyhyped marketing, as you say.

Re:Perception is reality (4, Insightful)

Tom (822) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199599)

You're misreading the quote you quoted. It doesn't say this is fact, it says this is image. Or, in other words, after the past experiences we've had with MS products, nobody sane would even consider buying a phone from them.

Re:Perception is reality (5, Insightful)

dissy (172727) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199753)

I'm fairly certain the GP was not implying WP8 has any of those problems.
He said Microsoft has an image problem due to previous products, which is very true.

Older MS phones had a bad image, requiring reboots multiple times a day due to crashes and poor performance. Phones locking up when receiving calls, missing alarms, and the stylus interface that attempted to mirror the desktop on a teeny screen were all problems older WinCE phones had.

Windows 95 was famous for not being able to function much longer than a month at a time without a reboot. All of the pre NT series of windows were very unstable, and were very insecure due to the chosen single user design.

Both of those together created an image in the public mind that Microsoft products crash, are flaky, and can not be relied upon.

Now, compare that to today. Windows 7 and 8 are pretty stable, and much much more secure than predecessors (irrespective to any comparison to their competition)
As you say, WP8 has none of those older problems (I am taking your word for that, as I have no experience with windows phones since CE 6 - But at least they didn't stick to the desktop UI!)

Neither of those facts has yet had enough time to change that older image that has been in place for over a decade. They may not until yet another decade has passed.

Peoples purchasing decisions are not based on facts, at least not completely (or even mostly) - so such facts as how great the product actually is, is irrelevant.
The facts from the past have tainted their image so much that purchasing decisions of today are being based on that instead.

It may or may not be fair (which is a whole other discussion) but that is pretty much what is going on, and why sales are so low.
It doesn't matter how great the product is today, what matters is their experience in the past and their personal limit on taking a chance of the same result again.

Personally, if a person or company screws me over and has no remorse at doing so and no indication they want or will change, I refuse to have that person or company as a part of my life.
If a person or company screws me over enough times, even with all the apologies in the world and the best of intentions, after a point I will be distancing myself from them more as well.

It's much easier to convince someone to try something completely new, than it is to convince them to try something they have done before and had a bad experience with.

Re:Perception is reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199773)

Does it sync with Microsoft Outlook yet? No? Does it have cut & paste yet?

Re:Perception is reality (3, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199479)

You know why XBox is so big? It doesn't have the word 'Windows' or 'Microsoft' in its name...

You must be new to the world. Microsoft is still the leader in the desktop market, regardless of your opinion. The world is changing, however, and Microsoft isn't chaging with it as fast, I think this is their bigget problem. They smply weren't fast enough to attach to the moble market, and its bit them, hard. Your thing about crashing, etc... however is just hyperbole. Windows IS the desktop OS. Not too sure where you've been living...

Re:Perception is reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199823)

> The world is changing, however, and Microsoft isn't chaging with it as fast, I think this is their bigget problem.

No. Microsoft's problem is that it is no longer Microsoft that is _driving_ the change. Other companies are producing the changes and the consumers are buying them.

> They smply weren't fast enough to attach to the moble market,

Given that Microsoft has been in the mobile market since the early 2000s and had 42% of the US smartphone market in 2007 then we may wonder which rock you have been living under.

Re:Perception is reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199833)

Even if nobody outside of Slashdot still cares about Win98 crashing, the Microsoft brand still represents "boring shit you use at work", which taints it for consumers. When mobile is primarily used for "fun" activities like games and facebook, people have no desire to bring Microsoft into the picture.

Re:Perception is reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199515)

Well, at least on Slashdot their viral campaigns paid off and they managed to sway people from looking at them critically to defending them no matter what. Ah, the joys of subverting public opinion :)

The editors can't read. (2, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199251)

On the other hand the OS support date is reset with any never version of the OS, so a Windows Phone 8.5 or 9 update in November 2013 would bring along its own 18 month of security updates. Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system.

Re:The editors can't read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199311)

Seriously, it's a tiny article, stating that it probably means there is an update coming.... stop wasting my time /. ... .actually read the articles you repost next time.

Maybe this is why platforms don't get mainstream support, editors on tech blogs having no idea what they are posting about. If I wanted sensationalised uninformed media releases, there are plenty of other options.

Little Comfort (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199459)

On the other hand the OS support date is reset with any never version of the OS, so a Windows Phone 8.5 or 9 update in November 2013 would bring along its own 18 month of security updates. Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system.

That must bring a great deal of comfort to those Windows Phone 7.x devices that are denied future OS updates...Did they pinky promise.

Did we read the same article? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199253)

The article said they would be updated the system to a new version and that the new version would be pushed to all windows phones. That system would get security updates for 18 months. It sounds like they just want people to upgrade to me.

RTFA (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199255)

This posting looks like FUD, if you read the article it says.
All window 8 phone devices will get new version of OS, which will have a 18 month support window.

Re:RTFA (Liars) (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199439)

MS has made many, many promises with its WP platform. The short attention span of most forgets that few of those promises have been kept. Frankly, they are by far "The lair".

Re:RTFA (1)

Tom (822) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199577)

18 months sounds like an incredibly stupid length, though, given that most mobile phone carrier contracts are 24 months.

Or maybe 8.1 will arrive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199257)

Maybe. Perhaps they only mean support of 8.0 will end at that date. It's a bit early to start with the dead parrot jokes for WP8. More of a Black Knight at this stage.

Nokia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199269)

They sure manage to always find the platforms that burn the brightest.

Troll (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199273)

The article doesn't say MS will bail on Windows phone, only that once they release a new WP release, they will eventually stop providing security updates for old ones. Not news.

oh (3, Interesting)

Nossie (753694) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199283)

oh christ was my first thought to that....

I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft but I do feel for Nokia and the bus that their staff were thrown under.

I'd be kinda surprised if this is true though, Microsoft are known for flaunting failed products for years to save face. This would be another reason to add to the list for why metro sucks ... it's pretty sad that the whole windows ecosystem was imho designed from the mobile up rather than an extension of the desktop.

This sounds like FUD though and for once it's not coming out of Redmond.

Re:oh (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199667)

I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft but I do feel for Nokia...

I don't care for both. I would worry if Nokia still owned Qt, but after they sold it, it is just a company like so many others.

not just ms, but apple too, and also linux-wth-gnu (2, Interesting)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199743)

re: it's pretty sad that the whole windows ecosystem was imho designed from the mobile up rather than an extension of the desktop.
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And the sad thing with the latest iteration of the apple OS is that Mountain Lion has turned into an iOS-copy-fest rather than leaving in the features that make a desktop useful like scroll-bars that stay in place, and not having to fucking scroll in order to see the scroll bars in the first place. That is a serious fail, imho, and enough for me to tell my parents not to upgrade their 10.6 machines up. Me, I'm linux-debian-knoppix (with gnu in there, of course), so I could say it doesn't affect me. But I read of all of the fury with gnome's meanderings and the first round of KDE 4.0 screwing up all of the features that 3.x had already gotten right.
.
I played with older versions of knoppix with kde 3.x branches (I think it was a knoppix 5 distro) and I like how the desktop maintains state between shutdowns when you install it to hard drive. The new Knoppix 7.04 using LXDE does not maintain state between boot-ups. I put one of my mom's computers on Knoppix 5.something with KDE 3.something and she loves the fact that she can shut down with editor windows in a document and browser tabs open (not just hibernate or sleeeeeep) and actually reboot back into the work environment which she left open. It's fucking astounding when a desktop is done right.
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Unfortunately, all of the key gnu/linux desktop guys (kde, gnome, lxde), ms windows, and apple are all walking down the wrong path by bringing the wrong
(a) tablet-touch and
(b) phone-os-metrofication and
(c) clean-look-ma-no-widgets-apple-without-scrollers-or-buttons and
(d) look-i-can-fuckup-ubuntu-like-the-big-os-boys mistakes.
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No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199287)

Headline as a question?

Tabloid headline not justified by TFA (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199289)

The article discusses dates on which Microsoft will end support for its current product, which is designed to be superseded on (at least) an annual basis. It doesn't mean that Microsoft plans to get out of the phone business, or will delegate software development to Nokia or Google, etc.

Bye, Bye Nokia :-( (1)

jankoh (2547488) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199299)

Microsoft - Wrong Choice...
Actually, their problem was, that even though they had N770 and N810, they started working on Linux phone (N900) too late...

Being in Redmond, I would start worrying about the future...
Maybe, Office and Xbox have future, but Windows might be shaking - lot's of people are happy with Android, iOS, maybe there is something behind the corner, that will make it much less interesting for the people (Linux+Wine+ "some very well marketed GUI" :-)

Re:Bye, Bye Nokia :-( (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199733)

Actually, their problem was, that even though they had N770 and N810, they started working on Linux phone (N900) too late...

Pretty much so. They continued with the clunky, sluggish and buggy Symbian for waaay to long.

BS Article title (1, Interesting)

blarkon (1712194) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199317)

Article is about support for WP8 given that WP9 is coming out in a few months. And if you have a WP8 phone: "All current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system." Which is more than we can say for a substantial number of Android handsets, where the easiest way (besides rolling your own) to get the new version of Android is to buy the new phone as the vendor probably won't update the current handset.

ObBetteridge (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199319)

No. RTFA

On the other hand the OS support date is reset with any never version of the OS, so a Windows Phone 8.5 or 9 update in November 2013 would bring along its own 18 month of security updates. Microsoft has already promised all current Windows Phone 8 handsets will receive the next major version of the operating system.

marketing chipmunks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199335)

Love how they come up with lose "mainstream support"

Re:marketing chipmunks (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199707)

mainstream support means support you don't pay extra for.

I'm gonna need more than that article to convince (1)

JeremyMorgan (1428075) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199349)

Microsoft doesn't give up that easy. Remember they were also late to this game, by a lot and that's a big reason for slow adoption. Enough people are happy with their Iphones and Androids and MS hasn't put forth anything to disrupt the market yet But one thing they have done is create a great environment for developers, with tons of tools and a marketplace that takes care of vendors. It appears they learned the from Linux, take care of the developers and they'll build more stuff. With more applications your platform will flourish.

I am certain MS is going to wait at least a year or two to see how the market does when the apps roll in. By then they may also come up with something that really compels people to switch. I know this isn't the site to talk about faith in MS, but there you have it.

More apps != flourishing (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199503)

But one thing they have done is create a great environment for developers, with tons of tools and a marketplace that takes care of vendors. It appears they learned the from Linux, take care of the developers and they'll build more stuff.

It makes me wonder how Microsoft plans to treat amateur game developers and startup studios on Xbox Durango.

With more applications your platform will flourish.

With more applications the Atari 2600 did not flourish. By sometime in 1983, there were so many me-too applications that retailers couldn't sell them all. That's part of why lockdown became the norm on some platforms: there was a perceived correlation between being able to clear organizational hurdles and quality of the end product.

More Apps ~= flourishing. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199719)

The market place and business models for applications in 1983 is quite a bit different from those of current smartphone apps.

More Apps = More companies believe there is a ROI on porting their apps to that platform. Supporting more platforms doesn't come for free.

Re:I'm gonna need more than that article to convin (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199795)

But one thing they have done is create a great environment for developers,...

They did? AFAIK they shut out Qt from the phones. Why? I don't know and I don't care. It just means that none of my apps will run on WP8 ever. Certainly not a big loss, but 'are great environment for developers' is something different.

Updates coming... (1)

aaronmarks (873211) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199351)

The article clearly states that WP8 is going to be updated to the next version of WP. This would be like saying that Windows 7 RTM support is ending so Microsoft is abandoning all of its faithful Windows 7 users that are buying computers today with Windows 7 today. When in-fact Microsoft is really just saying that you need to be running the latest SP1 (service pack) that can be installed on any computer running Windows 7 RTM. Basically, install WP8.5 or WP9 (whatever it is called) and you'll be set.

FWIW, I rushed out and bought a HTC 8X on the day they came out and used it alongside my day-to-day smartphone and although I LOVED the OS, I hated the fact that there weren't enough apps and the whole Messenger/Skype/Lync/Facebook/SMS thing is a mess on the device at the moment. I would have kept the device and loved using it had it not been for how horrific the messaging experience is on the phone. For anyone who cares, the default "Messaging" app contains your text messages and facebook messages, but is 100% incompatible with Skype and Lync at the moment. It doesn't support Messenger anymore really either since that is technically on its way out. My opinion is that they need to somehow integrate Lync/Skype/Facebook/SMS on the platform to give an unrivaled communications experience. If they could also integrate voicemail, email, twitter, and phone calls all so they show up in that same place then that would be great. You should just be able to set your outbound communication preferences for a particular contact so that you can reply to them easily. /rant

Back to the point. Please read the article.

Out of their realm (0)

Alien Being (18488) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199355)

Microsoft can never win in a competitive marketplace. Unless they're operating from a monopoly position, the world can see that the emperor has no clothes. I just can't believe that it has taken this long for them to be exposed for the inept yet evil little bastards they are.

Re:Out of their realm (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199649)

Exactly, they got the jump on the Desktop after pulling a few strings. And now you got these Mini-Console popping up to further cut into all the big boys profits; and have you noticed there is very little interest in the next-gen consoles? It's like Crickets out there. And their phones are not doing so well, latest numbers say 2%, that's hardly a dent. But there are a lot of apologists out there that will argue until their ears bleed that Microsoft is doing well, whatever.

And now with Linux in a usable state and the word catching on, Desktops not selling so much etc, their flagship product Windows is even in danger. I'm just going to say it: Microsoft's future is looking bleak. Not that it bothers me since there isn't a single Microsoft product in my house since last year, worst case, hardware development will slow down; so what, we can adapt to home-brew micro boards with AMD and Tegra offerings.

You could go on and on for pages, but what's the point. Everybody knows how the story ends.

Read the Fine Article (0)

sjvn (11568) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199427)

It's called upgrading the OS. Nothing to see here people except a really, really bad, mis-leading headline.

Steven

Re:Read the Fine Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199579)

To be fair, it is a Slashdot headline. You can't really trust anything in that department.

WP 9 coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43199433)

Utter nonsense....that means the new version is coming then....and 8 will not be supported or updated as an entity...but the current WP 8 handsets are upgradeable to 9 and above. Not like the old WP 7 phones....they had hardware issues that could not be upgraded to WP 8

Re:WP 9 coming (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199737)

Hardware issues are rarely a reason against upgrades. Whether or not the WP 8 will be upgradable or not won't depend on technical, but purely on marketing reasons.

windows 9 on the way soon? did 8 flop that bad?? (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199555)

windows 9 on the way soon? did 8 flop that bad??

Slashdot Bashes Windows Non-Stop (1)

SnappyTech (2809279) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199559)

Slashdot is a Windows bashing site to the point of being ridiculous. It seems that Ars Technica is a little more even-handed when commenting on Operating Systems. It's good to weigh the pros and cons of all the operating systems without falling prey to the immature "Evil Microsoft" mentality that so many people have here. I like LockerGnome's opinion that an operating system's strength is often is weakness; dwell upon that one.

Re:Slashdot Bashes Windows Non-Stop (0)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199859)

I have the opposite perception, many slashdotters are too nice towards win7, and keep whining about the linux desktop and the too many distributions, while I never boot into win7 even on laptops who have it preinstalled, since performance wise it sucks, workflow wise it sucks even more, and have less problems distro hopping between deb based and sabayon than dealing with expiring AV and the driver and "the right office license" hunt on win.

Seriously? (2, Interesting)

Rytr23 (704409) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199573)

Look, I know most of the folks frequenting /. are ardently anti-MS (Hence all the clever usage of a $ instead of the 'S'), but this is really an embarrassing attempt at click bait. It isn't in the realm of truth and feel sorry for the poster and the people jumping on board with it to fuel some frothing Anti-MS rage or resentment at some perceived slight. Slashdot is poorer this.

Re:Seriously? (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199775)

Look, I know most of the folks frequenting /. are ardently anti-MS

Strange.

That might have been true in the past, but as of about eighteen months ago, Slashdot appears to have become the last, best hope for Microsoft fanboys. Pretty much any story about Microsoft products will be full of posts calling them the best thing ever.

Re:Seriously? (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199809)

And the moderations are interesting. Anti-MS posts seem to have a noticeably higher chance for downmods lately.

winPhone (1)

SnappyTech (2809279) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199581)

They should of called it "winPhone" instead of Windows 8. That was like calling it Crap+1 instead of just Crap, because all the windows phones before 8 literally were pretty crappy. Doomed by association.

Worst /. headline I have ever seen (4, Insightful)

Mawen (317927) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199619)

There is sensationalistic journalism, and then there is blatantly misleading journalism. This is the latter.

Assuming /. wants to be taken seriously, someone's wrist should be slapped for this and/or the headline updated.

Re:Worst /. headline I have ever seen (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199705)

It could use an "8" before the question mark, it's true.

Re:Worst /. headline I have ever seen (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199739)

swap slapped with slit.

Just wait. Surely next year will be... (3, Funny)

John Hasler (414242) | about a year and a half ago | (#43199693)

...the year of Windows on the smartphone.

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