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The Pirate Bay's Oldest Torrent Is Revolution OS

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the back-in-the-day dept.

GNU is Not Unix 130

jrepin writes "After nearly 9 years of seeding The Pirate Bay's oldest working torrent is still very much alive. Interestingly, the torrent is not a Hollywood classic nor is it an evergreen music album. The honor goes to a pirated copy of Revolution OS, a documentary covering the history of Linux, GNU and the free software movement."

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Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (5, Insightful)

gubon13 (2695335) | about a year and a half ago | (#43200943)

You just blew my mind...

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43200955)

And my cock.

Ba-dum-tsh!

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201133)

TPB _HAS_ older porn (and other stuff) than this movie.... The truth is just not as interesting as this story. And the movie is also not the truth but a spiced up political anti MS version of it. Linus wrote Linux because of the high price of the Unixes at the time (his own words at the time); Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (-1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201191)

but i thought he wrote linux to help stallman launch his toe cheese eating revolution?

you telling me i been chowing down for nothing?

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201751)

Stop repeating that meme. He doesn't eat toe cheese. He eats food crumbs from his beard. I saw it in person.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202209)

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202941)

Yeah, it's disgusting but really what does it have to do with anything?

Bill Gates has, or had, disgusting habits in his day too. A friend of mine attended a talk in the early '90s and said when Gates walked down the aisle he had greasy hair and smelled like he hadn't bathed in a week.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201197)

Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Apart from spending decades trying to kill it.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43203089)

"decades" is a funny term to use when Linux has barely been around for "decades", and MS certainly hasnt been trying to kill it for its entire life.

"Decade", maybe.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (4, Informative)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201263)

"TPB _HAS_ older porn (and other stuff) than this movie"

Citation required. Please provide links so I may satisfy my academic curiosity.

Seriously I can find porn several decades older than the said movie, but TFA is talking about the torrent file itself. You might upload your VHS rip of Deep Throat today but that won't make it older than the torrent of this movie.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201581)

You might upload your VHS rip of Deep Throat today but that won't make it older than the torrent of this movie.

The Watergate scandal is so 1970s! Then again, all software was free software back then.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201963)

Here you go [slashdot.org]

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201637)

Linus wrote Linux because of the high price of the Unixes at the time (his own words at the time); Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

And just for fun [amazon.com] . The relaxed social safety of Nordic countries allows you to screw around a bit and try interesting things (which might lead to innovation, as in the case with Linux...or Pirate Bay).

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (4, Insightful)

kenh (9056) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201907)

I was under the impression that Linus was inspired to "scratch his own itch" by creating Linux not because of "relaxed social safety" but because he had just gotten a new i386 computer and he wanted an OS that would take full advantage of all the features in the chip, and his then-current OS (MINIX) wouldn't do that, so he set about to implement a 80386 version of MINIX.

Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] supports this idea, and it is curious to note that he made his famous announcement on comp.os.minix, not, comp.os.look.at.what.i.can.do.because.of.our.relaxed.social.safety newsgroup...

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202015)

Well, let's just say that there was multiple reasons.

What I find interesting is the passion that Linus had to make lots various core system tools (editor, assembler, kernel) completely from scratch. Like to his Sinclair way before Linux. Back then you had to make your tools, as there was not many available, but still.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201653)

And Oddly, you must have never seen the movie because Linus says exactly that IN THE MOVIE....

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201231)

I'm more impressed by the torrent of the whole geocities webpages (600GB+) with only one seeder.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (2)

bedouin (248624) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201411)

I'm tempted to download just the torrent file and see if I can find a friend's page from '97 or so, then leech that part of it.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201621)

Check here [archive.org] , first. Assuming you know the old URL.

Reocities has a handy neighborhood listing [reocities.com] in their archives.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201673)

Porn-specific streaming websites (redtube etc.) are much better at serving porn than torrent trackers.

Re:Oldest torrent on TPB isn't porn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202101)

But there isn't enough specific fetish porn in those :(

still a crime (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43200951)

Go to hell you data molestors. Six strikes forever!

Re:still a crime (4, Informative)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about a year and a half ago | (#43200995)

Not everyone lives in California. Downloading is legal in Switzerland for example (and there's other places where it is).

Re:still a crime (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201031)

Not everyone lives in California.

Okay, see, right there? You just lost 90% of Slashdot, either to blowing their minds out of their ears or to complete stodgy disbelief that the world ISN'T split into exactly four areas: California, Flyover Country, Japan, and Miscellaneous.

Re:still a crime (3, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201199)

you forgot unimatrix zero and endor... this is slashdot after all

Re:still a crime (4, Funny)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201291)

You just misspelt USA, USA, USA and USA.

Re:still a crime (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201547)

We the Miscellaneous people, salute you.

Re:still a crime (5, Funny)

Graydyn Young (2835695) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202587)

Ugh, Americans. I bet you couldn't even point out Miscellaneous on a map.

Re:still a crime (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43203051)

Not everyone lives in California.

Okay, see, right there? You just lost 90% of Slashdot, either to blowing their minds out of their ears or to complete stodgy disbelief that the world ISN'T split into exactly four areas: California, Flyover Country, Japan, and Miscellaneous.

So it's not just between My Culture and Insensitive Clodistan?

Re:still a crime (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201707)

Not everyone lives in California. Downloading is legal in Switzerland for example (and there's other places where it is).

But is it moral or immoral, that's the actual question.

Re:still a crime (1)

mrclisdue (1321513) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201801)

But is it moral or immoral, that's the actual question.

It's amoral, so there is no question despite the best efforts of many to categorize it wrongly.

cheers,

Re:still a crime (1)

Bengie (1121981) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202089)

Downloading is fine in the USA also, it's the uploading while you download that gets you in trouble.

Re:still a crime (1)

Westwood0720 (2688917) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202499)

Exactly. I was shutoff once before. I called my ISP and a guy hinted to me that it was my uploads. Never once mentioned about downloading.

THOSE LADS ARE NOT IN JAIL YET !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43200961)

Swedes are slow when it comes to justice !! But knowing the Swedes they have the lads put up in a hotel some where.

It's a good documentary (4, Informative)

Stormwatch (703920) | about a year and a half ago | (#43200977)

Very outdated, but still incredibly interesting and didactic. Oh, obligatory link [youtube.com] in case you want something even easier than torrenting.

Re:It's a good documentary (4, Informative)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201003)

Very outdated, but still incredibly interesting and didactic.

Thanks for the new word. First time in a while I had to head to the dictionary. A Wikipedia snippet for others that don't know this word:

Didacticism is a philosophy that emphasizes instructional and informative qualities in literature and other types of art. The term has its origin in the Ancient Greek word (didaktikos), "related to education and teaching", and signified learning in a fascinating and intriguing manner.

Re:It's a good documentary (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201143)

Oh, I'm sorry, sir. I'm anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctious to have caused you such pericombobulation.

Re:It's a good documentary (2, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201201)

well fuck me drunk over a bar stool sideways

Re:It's a good documentary (3, Funny)

mrclisdue (1321513) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201807)

You promised to never share our secrets in public.

It's over.

Re:It's a good documentary (1)

dwywit (1109409) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201387)

Sausage? SAUSAGE?!?!?!?!

Re:It's a good documentary (1)

excelsior_gr (969383) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201421)

I'm Greek, you insensitive clod!

Re:It's a good documentary (1)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201545)

I'm Greek, you insensitive clod!

No need for anguish. I won't hold it against you.

Re:It's a good documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201595)

Unless English isn't your first language, you're a fucking retard.

Re:It's a good documentary (4, Funny)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201615)

Unless English isn't your first language, you're a fucking retard.

Oh, my very own troll. Can I keep it?

Re:It's a good documentary (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201671)

You wont want to, they smell bad and have no imagination at all. They tend to repeat the same thing over and over like a broken furby.

Re:It's a good documentary (1)

chaos_technique (1191999) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201727)

Not to be confused with dildactics, which the greek name of the ancient art of dong-fu

Re:It's a good documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201793)

You could say the word is... *puts on sunglasses* didactic!

Re:It's a good documentary (2)

Larryish (1215510) | about a year and a half ago | (#43203169)

YYEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

(insert cheesy glam-rock music here)

(cut to shots of places you'll never go and boats you can't afford crewed by women you can't have)

Re:It's a good documentary (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201927)

The Wikipedia quote is from Didacticism, the term the OP used is Didactic. While they share the same roots - they aren't the same word. (And didactic usually used as something of a pejorative.)

Re:It's a good documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202485)

Are you sure?
English is my second language, but in Spanish it is quite commonly used, and is not pejorative at all...
Oh well, you learn something everyday.

Re:It's a good documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202897)

Didactic as a pejorative? Not in my view. While not a common word in everyday usage, I have come across it several times and had not seen it used as such. Interesting.

Re:It's a good documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201367)

Even though it doesn't really reflect where Linux is today, I'm not sure I would say it's outdated. I often use it in my lectures about operating systems, since it is a pretty good documentary about the early days of Linux.

I would really love it if someone produced a documentary about what has happened to Linux in the last few years. With the success of Android and so on...

Re:It's a good documentary (1)

zAPPzAPP (1207370) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202249)

And here I thought it was the xbox dashboard.
I remember getting that from TBP around the time.

Re:It's a good documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202421)

Extreme virginity detected.

What do you mean, oldest working? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43200983)

Can't you just revive any torrent by seeding? And aren't the trackers just recommendations? So even if the trackers listed inside a torrent file no longer exist and nobody is seeding, is the torrent really dead?

Re:What do you mean, oldest working? (1)

Calydor (739835) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201105)

What if no one has the file anymore? Didn't read the article, but off the top of my head I'd measure something like this by seeing if the possibility of getting the full file (in case no one has a full, but fragments on multiple systems put together would change that) becomes available within a certain time frame, maybe a week.

Re:What do you mean, oldest working? (1)

silentcoder (1241496) | about a year and a half ago | (#43203025)

It works, I saw a legal copy years ago and lost it in the meantime, but I wanted to show my wife something of what I do all day, so I downloaded that torrent a few weeks ago to watch with her.

Tautology Club (5, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about a year and a half ago | (#43200993)

The Pirate Bay's oldest working torrent is still very much alive

In other news, the oldest living man is still alive, and the oldest standing structure hasn't yet fallen down!

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201089)

no there is a distinction, working torrent as in not fubar and alive as in has active seeders.

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201285)

Your comment would make sense if the sentence was "The Pirate Bay's oldest torrent is still very much alive."

But it wasn't.

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202843)

I take the sentence to mean "the oldest torrent with at least 1 seed has at least 10 seeds". Since s>=1 doesn't imply s>=10, it is not a tautology.

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201109)

more like the oldest living man is still walking and talking

Re:Tautology Club (2)

JockTroll (996521) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201881)

There's a legend about the oldest living man: whenever one dies, another will immediately take his place. There can only be one oldest living man alive.

Re:Tautology Club (4, Funny)

cheesecake23 (1110663) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201147)

The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club!

Re:Tautology Club (2)

toygeek (473120) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201219)

"What is Tautology?" is a rhetorical question.

Re:Tautology Club (1)

complete loony (663508) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201603)

And if 1,000,000 people join this group it will have 1,000,000 people in it.

Re:Tautology Club (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201161)

Well, if you want to be technical, none of those are tautologies. They each fail to be true if there are no working torrents, living men, or oldest structures, or if these exist but there isn't a unique, maximally old one. (For example, perhaps several torrents were added simultaneously.)

HTH, HAND, YANAL (You Are Not A Logician)

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201165)

that should be standing structures, of course

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201259)

They each fail to be true if there are no working torrents

False. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuous_truth [wikipedia.org]

Re:Tautology Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201307)

The original English assertions aren't quantified, so if their subjects do not exist, they fail to refer to anything at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_King_of_France

Oh, cm'on (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201343)

Real mathematicians count from zero and accept the empty set as a reasonable response for an all-quantifier. Then everything is well.

Re:Tautology Club (1)

Thrill Science (2845693) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202141)

But someone keeps killing the Oldest Living Man. Every couple of years, the current one dies. Someone should investigate!

Pirated copy? (2)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201173)

Why would you need to pirate it? Shouldn't a documentary about free open source movement be.... free?

Re:Pirated copy? (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201205)

*slaps you*

you need to go and suck on stallman's toes for another six months till you get drummed into your head...

it's about free as in FREEDOM, not free as in FREE BEER

Re:Pirated copy? (-1, Troll)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201217)

hahaha OMG i just realised what a raving loon i have become

stallman blindfolded me and told me i was sucking his toe

dammit now i want my money back!!!!

Re:Pirated copy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202585)

It's OK to get a bit crazy sometimes.

Re:Pirated copy? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201901)

Why would you need to pirate it? Shouldn't a documentary about free open source movement be.... free?

Just because the website's named "The Pirate Bay" doesn't mean everything there is pirated. The same goes for the protocol.

Re:Pirated copy? (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201941)

Why? It's the owners choice as to whether or not something will be free. Making a documentary about something does not automatically mean having the same beliefs.

Re:Pirated copy? (4, Funny)

nedlohs (1335013) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202159)

Just a documentary about the moon landing should land on the moon?

Re:Pirated copy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202309)

Tell that to Red Hat

Summary of the documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201187)

From the comments in the link ...

>>I'll save you the trouble of watching the documentary - here's the abridged version:
>>One student makes a semi decent clone of an OS invented by real software developers
>>Then cue 20 years of bickering and infighting about irrelevant bullshit like the pronunciation of 'GNU' and what window manager is better ....

>Linux is a kernel not an OS, Linux was a Minux Clone which ended up being superior to majority of OS kernel at the time which helped it take off

Re:Summary of the documentary (1)

BanHammor (2587175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201779)

Oh damn me. I like the POSIX standards, but saying "Linux is a semi-decent clone of Unix" (Or Minix, for that matter - see the microkernel debate) is lame. The rest is, essentially, democracy/meritocracy in a nutshell. We still have a very good system of interoperable components out of this.

Swing and a miss (3, Informative)

bythescruff (522831) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201313)

This was posted yesterday on Reddit, and refuted there as well; a couple of porn torrents are older.

Link: After nearly 9 years of seeding... [reddit.com]

Re:Swing and a miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202147)

The TorrentFreak article now mentions that too in an update.

Revolution OS is the oldest with >0 seeders and >0 leechers.

Re:Swing and a miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43202149)

Oh, well, if the fuckwits on Reddit say it true...

Re:Swing and a miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43203131)

FTFS: "oldest working torrent"

Re:Swing and a miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43203165)

Actually the oldest one is neither porn nor the mentioned one, but this swedish Version of an old TV episode High.Chaparall.S02E02.PDTV.XViD.SWEDiSH-HuBBaTiX dated 03.25.2004

[QUOTE] The Great Philosopher (2)

purpleidea (956832) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201351)

"Think of Richard Stallman as the great philosopher and think of me as the engineer." -- Linus Torvalds

Re:[QUOTE] The Great Philosopher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201513)

Great philosopher and lyricist. "Join us now and share the software. You'll be free hackers, you'll be free." Worth downloading just for the rocking version of this classic tune. Quite unforgettable.

Copyrighted movie about GNU is pirated on TPB. (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201571)

The irony is staggering.

Re:Copyrighted movie about GNU is pirated on TPB. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201705)

Why? GNU zealots and pirates are two completely different groups with completely separate ideologies. I don't see the irony in it.

The only thing I find strange is that GPL have been fairly efficient when it comes to being a sort of DRM.
I am surprised that no-one have released GPL-software on TPB with the license stripped away yet.

Re:Copyrighted movie about GNU is pirated on TPB. (1)

BanHammor (2587175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201791)

Mostly because erasing the license is trivial, the software is easily-accessible without torrents, and anyone who wants to modify software and not give back usually hosts on more profitable venues than TPB.

Re:Copyrighted movie about GNU is pirated on TPB. (1)

Raumkraut (518382) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201825)

The only thing I find strange is that GPL have been fairly efficient when it comes to being a sort of DRM.

The GPL isn't about Digital Rights(/Restriction) Management, it's about Legal Rights Management. That is; it doesn't actively try to prevent you from breaking the license, it just describes consequences for doing so.

I am surprised that no-one have released GPL-software on TPB with the license stripped away yet.

Piracy isn't generally an intellectual philosophy for the abolition of copyright; it's a practical philosophy for getting stuff cheaply and conveniently - which the GPL already allows.

No the real irony is... (3, Insightful)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a year and a half ago | (#43201895)

it's in a patent encumbered, non-open format! Even worse, it's inside of an AVI container. :)

Re:Copyrighted movie about GNU is pirated on TPB. (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202285)

Would of been better if it was a pirated copy of, "don't copy that floppy".
Unfortunately, they do not even have a copy of that film.

Irony aside... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43201949)

Okay, irony of it being in a patent encumbered format, and the movie itself being copyrighted, but it might be a damn good oppertunity to stop and realise that Linux still MATTERS [blogspot.co.uk] after all these years, and not just to techical types. I get a little of slashdot backlashers coming up with the same tired old 'Linux is for neckbeards, Windows/Apple is for real people', Linux matters to a lot of non-technical people too, me among them as explained in the linked article. [blogspot.co.uk]

streamed (1)

Korruptionen (2647747) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202119)

Actually, I just watched this on netflix. Really enjoyed it.

Sounds Interesting. (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202291)

I might have to pirate that latter.

Its is really still alive? (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202561)

Or are people just seeding 99.98% of the thing and nobody knows how it ends?

Slow news day? (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43202985)

No matter, just drop a headline on Slashdot thats only barely news but talks about { Religion | P2P | Politics }, and watch the page hits roll in!

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