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Telstra Bigpond To Use Outlook.com As Email Handler

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the outlook-is-hazy dept.

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New submitter sidevans writes "It looks like Australia's largest ISP is working closely with Microsoft and will soon be letting them handle customers emails using Outlook.com. The setup guide is available here. An interesting move, considering the National Broadband Network rollout is coming. What's in the future for other ISPs and how they handle email in Australia? Are the days of ISPs providing in-house email servers coming to an end?"

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I demand a pussy hole! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212279)

Well, you worthless sex objects? Where's my pussy hole? I demand it! One of you worthless women better hurry up and pleasure my penis!

backend? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212285)

Does anybody know what backend outlook.com is using? It's the same as hotmail?

Re:backend? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212377)

No, it's the same as O365.

Re:backend? (1)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year and a half ago | (#43214197)

The commercial version is being called hosted exchange service. So I assume it might use exchange servers?

There will be no hotmail anymore (the domain and the email addresses can be used though) and all the services will be moved to outlook.com services and the new UI.

Why do ISPs even provide email? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212293)

Why do ISPs still provide email?
There are lots of free and pay for email servers available. I say reduce my bill $1/year and get rid of it.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (4, Insightful)

CyberSlugGump (609485) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212327)

Why do ISPs still provide email? There are lots of free and pay for email servers available. I say reduce my bill $1/year and get rid of it.

I've always thought that using an ISP-provided email address is a form of vendor lock-in. Want to change ISPs? Then you will lose the email address you've had for so many years.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212381)

Yea must better to lock into Google. Your best interests are definitely in their mind for the zero dollars/month you give them.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212399)

He never suggested you use google.

There are lots of pay for email providers, or you could just setup your own. Not exactly difficult to setup postfix and courier-imap on a box at rackspace for $10/month. You can use the same machine for lots of other stuff.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212627)

He never suggested you use google.

There are lots of pay for email providers, or you could just setup your own. Not exactly difficult to setup postfix and courier-imap on a box at rackspace for $10/month. You can use the same machine for lots of other stuff.

Mail servers are an utter pain to run though from what I hear - i.e. for outbound at least you have to deal with all the blacklisting and stuff which goes on due to spam.

Though outside of that the idea is appealing - I've long been thinking that I need to get a box hosted somewhere to act as a personal server for all types of things.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

Sipper (462582) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212939)

Mail servers are an utter pain to run though from what I hear - i.e. for outbound at least you have to deal with all the blacklisting and stuff which goes on due to spam.

The only time I've heard of this happening are for mail servers that also run mailing lists. I've been running my own server for 14 years and I haven't been blacklisted once. (Maybe I've just been lucky?)

Though outside of that the idea is appealing - I've long been thinking that I need to get a box hosted somewhere to act as a personal server for all types of things.

Yes... it's got a lot of advantages. Dealing with your own email server is rather interesting, it does take time to "get it right" (that takes a couple of years of tweaking) but after that it generally requires very little maintenance. And it's nice to have a server online to store and distribute files, have a personal blog that won't go away, etc.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213019)

Blacklisting is only a problem if you send sufficiently large volumes of email to warrant being noticed.
If you have a server (with a private IP) and host just your family's email accounts on them and assuming they behave like normal humans, the server is unlikely to ever be blacklisted.

In my own experience, setting up a mail server is one of the more difficult things you can do on a linux server. I've spent a lot more time setting up Courier+Dovecot than I spent on Nginx+Varnish+PHP(+extension)+MariaDB+ProFTPd.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213849)

If you have a server (with a private IP) and host just your family's email accounts

I think you mean static IP? You won't be receiving much email on your server with a private IP address.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213891)

Mail servers are not hard to run.

An ISP providing one probably stems back to the Unix account they provide. It was not much more than an additional directory for your user profile. Not forgetting webmaster was not always there so someone with internet access really benefited with an email service.

My big pond email is already on Hotmail or live so a migration to outlook.com is probably a requirement by Microsoft. Nothing new here

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#43214607)

Or inheret an IP address that was abused.

I've got a rented VM for mail, hosting my website showcasing all my failures to change the world, transfering files, running IRC bots for some friends, things like that. Works well. Aside from my being very uncreative when picking a domain name, so now I get asked why I have everything at birds-are-nice.me.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

BlueBlade (123303) | about a year and a half ago | (#43217717)

Google will host email for your own domain for free. All you need to do is point your MX at their servers and register for a free account. No hassle, I've been doing this for years for my domains. Works like a charm. They also support POP3/IMAP access if you don't like using the web interface.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212635)

Yea $10/month (and my effort) for email. What an incredible value proposition. (Let's not forget postfix and courier-imap alone will be a pretty subpar email experience in 2013)

Why don't I just buy email hosting for my domain for like $2/mo from Rackspace?

And you wonder why you guys stay IT drones for life...

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212853)

Yea $10/month (and my effort) for email. What an incredible value proposition. (Let's not forget postfix and courier-imap alone will be a pretty subpar email experience in 2013)

postfix/dovecot has been serving me quite well on my $4 VPS. And I haven't worked in IT for over a decade.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213345)

Not just for email, the server could be used for a great many services. The effort is a one time thing.

How is postfix + courier imap subpar? It supports push, and sends email. What else is there? You can add caldav if you really want. If you want it all in a fancy and simple to use package Zimbra is free for the first 5-10 users. That even has activesync.

You could buy hosting for $2/month too, but I thought you wanted total control, not vendor lockin of any kind.

Yeah drone, that is what I am, sure you keep thinking that.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (4, Informative)

FireFury03 (653718) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212491)

Yea must better to lock into Google. Your best interests are definitely in their mind for the zero dollars/month you give them.

Whilst I tend to agree that using Google isn't the best idea; you're wrong here - you can set up google mail on your own domain, if you want to move you can just move whilst keeping the domain.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213035)

also, if you don't want ads, pay up for a google apps account. They are really nice, and the rates are cheap.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43218675)

How is google apps cheap? $50 per user per year, it is probably one of the most expensive from a big company.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212385)

I've always thought that using an ISP-provided email address is a form of vendor lock-in. Want to change ISPs? Then you will lose the email address you've had for so many years.

Maybe. I also think it's a CYA thing on the part of he ISP. They're probably required by law to be able to notify customers of changes, etc., and the only way they can do that is if they make sure the customer has an email address.

That said, I remember back in 2000 when I had ATT as an ISP, they used Yahoo as their mail provider.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212415)

I am pretty sure their customers have real world addresses too, and letters could be sent there. They could also ask for an email account.

If my ISP ever sends an email to their provided email account I will never know. I have never and will never log into it.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212465)

I am pretty sure their customers have real world addresses too, and letters could be sent there. They could also ask for an email account.

If my ISP ever sends an email to their provided email account I will never know. I have never and will never log into it.

Of course, most people do have other email addresses, too. My point was the CYA aspect of it for the ISP. That you never check the ISP-provided email address isn't the point. Next time you complain of not being notified of something, they'll come back with "We notified you."

It's been a long time since I considered an ISP having a user's bests interests at heart.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43216565)

But email accounts change often (for some people). It's not a very reliable way to get ahold of someone.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212523)

My ISP notifies me of things via my ISP email. However, I don't know what my ISP email address is... nevermind where to log in or what the password might be. I know of only a small handful of people that do use their ISP email, usually older people.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

Geeky (90998) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212735)

I just set up my gmail account to poll my ISP provided pop account for me, so on the rare occasion I get email there it comes through to an account where I can see it. Using my own domain with google (apps, got in while it was free), I don't have tie in to google, I could switch and still keep my email address.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

hawaiian717 (559933) | about a year and a half ago | (#43216541)

AT&T still uses Yahoo to handle their email. att.net email addresses use Yahoo servers. The webmail interface is a rebranded version of Yahoo webmail. I was able to combine it with my already existing Yahoo account (though I never used that email address for anything either), so both the yahoo.com and att.net addresses I have point to the same inbox, and I can interchangeably use my Yahoo or att.net ID to log in to various Yahoo services.

Interestingly, when I lived in an area where Qwest (now CenturyLink) was the local telco and I had their DSL service, it was cobranded with MSN. So the email address i got from them was msn.com, not qwest.net. And there's a funny thing about MSN; when you leave, you can keep the email address as it's really just a Hotmail (or whatever they want to call it these days) address with a different domain. So I still have (and still don't really use) that msn.com email address. This is not just for the DSL customers either; I had a relative I helped switch from MSN dialup to what was then SBC (now AT&T) DSL, and they were able to keep their msn.com email address as well.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212401)

Why do ISPs still provide email? There are lots of free and pay for email servers available. I say reduce my bill $1/year and get rid of it.

I've always thought that using an ISP-provided email address is a form of vendor lock-in. Want to change ISPs? Then you will lose the email address you've had for so many years.

Most of the basic hosting include nowadays email addresses on their basic plans and they have $4-$5/mo plans. Include a .com domain name for about $10/y, it's a cost of $70/y to gain your independence of your ISP in regards to email.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212481)

Most of the basic hosting include nowadays email addresses on their basic plans and they have $4-$5/mo plans. Include a .com domain name for about $10/y, it's a cost of $70/y to gain your independence of your ISP in regards to email.

$70/y ? Don't tell that to my email provider (http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/) they charge £10/y (about $15/y) for the service, and £4.25 ($6), or $21/y total. They'll increase my charge!

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212529)

I used to think the same. When I left school, I lost the e-mail address I'd had for two and a half years. Instead I got one of those free services. That didn't last long. Neither did the next one. Or the next one. Or the next one. One of them was even with the largest search engine at the time, that one didn't last long either.

So far, the e-mail addresses I've had that lasted the longest were my work e-mail addresses and my ISP e-mail address. Those addresses only change when I get a new job or decide to change ISP. So, now I stick to using my ISP email address for personal mails. Because I don't want to change e-mail addresses all the time.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

DeathElk (883654) | about a year and a half ago | (#43216561)

I use a free email address for the exact same reason. I like to change ISP fairly frequently (every 2 years or so) and I can carry my free email address with me when I go.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43216681)

I once got a free-for-life email service. That lasted a year and then turned into a pay service. I still keep it though, $24/year and it forwards all my email. It's been about 18 years now I think. I'd have gotten a different service, but I have a short name of my choosing and easy-to-remember address with no numbers or strange nicknames required.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year and a half ago | (#43214091)

Which is part of the reason I got my own domain name years ago. It's the same problem with webmail providers. Once you start giving out that address, you're basically required to keep using their services. Over the years I've gone from Email.com, to Yahoo, to Gmail. As some point when I was using Yahoo, I got my own domain name, and started forwarding it to my webmail of choice. This way, I'm in control of my email address, and don't have to worry about some mail provider disappearing and taking my email address with it.

some web sites / other places don't let you use fr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212479)

some web sites / other places don't let you use free email address

Re:some web sites / other places don't let you use (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212537)

That's not strictly true... I've come across a few places that won't let you use any from a list of free providers that are often used for spam (Gmail, Yahoo, etc), but it's by no means an exhaustive list compared to the number of free email providers out there.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213297)

Except in the case of Australians, having this go through outlook.com means all of your mail is accessible to the US government under the Patriot Act.

So, for anybody not in the US, decisions to do this kind of thing is a bad thing. And depending on data-privacy laws, could be construed as illegal.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213987)

Lucky it is for Australians then

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

skywhale (664067) | about a year and a half ago | (#43214365)

ISPs also provide domain email, ie bigboss@yourdomain.com, rather than generic me@myisp.com. I know google will do this also but its not free. We can also provide custom mail routing and other features than are not part of the 'free webmail' ecosphere. IAAISP.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43216551)

Because it's a service. Customers like a one-stop shop. Having to get ISP, then be unable to also get email without finding a second supplier is highly inconvenient. For a nerd it's no big deal, but for people who are barely computer literate they will just bypass the ISP who doesn't have email and find a different one. May as well ask why ISPs bother with DNS servers since customers can get DNS servers elsewhere.

Re:Why do ISPs even provide email? (1)

mibus (26291) | about a year and a half ago | (#43219013)

Why do ISPs still provide email?

FWIW; I've seen inside a few large ISP mail deployments, but I speak for myself in my comments here and not my employer (etc etc etc).

Why do ISPs provide email? Because a huge percentage of customers use it, and want it.

I personally don't (I have my own domain, and use Google apps), and know very few people who do, but lots and lots of customers still use it. I can't get into numbers for obvious reasons, but it's seen as being incredibly important, up to and including in the CxO layer, and a lot of money gets spent on supplying it and improving it.

How many (1, Troll)

ruir (2709173) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212299)

millions Microsoft paid them?

ISP bogo-filter (1)

c (8461) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212337)

My rule of thumb is that if you call yourself an ISP and can't manage e-mail without outside help, you don't get to have your domain name in my e-mail address.

Re:ISP bogo-filter (1)

dintech (998802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212547)

One consideration is deliverability. An ISP might be really good at handling the mechanics of email but what if that ISP is in China or Russia? If email is coming from a highly trusted source such as Google rather than a relative unknown such Shadycom then it is one of many factors in deciding whether your mail is spammy or not. Your mail might be entirely legitimate, it's just more possible that it won't be treated as such.

This whole issue of trust is one of the reasons that start-ups tend to use Amazon Simple Email Service or Mailchimp to send mails rather than creating their own mail server. At least in the beginning anyway...

Re:ISP bogo-filter (1)

bleh-of-the-huns (17740) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212577)

This probably has less to do with managing e-mail, and the associated equipment, and more about shifting costs. By out sourcing email, they reduce the storage needed, the servers needed, people to manage it, data center costs, backup costs, and I am sure there are a few items I am missing. That can result in significant cost savings to the provider.

Not to say that I agree with it, or disagree with it. I mean, I used to run my own mail as well using postfix/courior-imap/squirelmail, it was not that hard, and yet I still host my email with google (although apparently Google is no longer allowing new registrations to Google Apps for free, legacy folks are at least grandfathered). It just ended up being easier.

Re:ISP bogo-filter (1)

c (8461) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213647)

This probably has less to do with managing e-mail, and the associated equipment, and more about shifting costs.

Of course.

The way I see it, my (personal) e-mail address is an endorsement and advertisement of my e-mail providers services. If my ISP outsources those services, keeping their domain in my address amounts to false advertising. And keeping their domain in my address when they outsource the services to someone I wouldn't rely on separately is just stupid.

Well... (2)

sootman (158191) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212373)

> Are the days of ISPs providing in-house
> email servers coming to an end?

Considering that AT&T farmed out their email to Yahoo about five years ago, I would say the answer is probably "yes." Or at least "yes, in some cases."

I know of very few people who use their ISP-supplied email addresses. One reason I quit using mine is because I've had 10 ISPs in the last 15 years. Out of all the things an ISP can provide me, an email account is probably the least useful.

Whenever I get an email with a bunch of recipients, I look at all the addresses and I'd say maybe 1/4 are using email from an ISP. (And of those, probably half are AOL.) The rest are mostly split between gmail, yahoo, and hotmail.

The sooner the better (4, Interesting)

jamesl (106902) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212433)

Are the days of ISPs providing in-house email servers coming to an end?

In my experience, ISPs provide at best, a second class email service and I would be surprised if it was anything more than a necessary evil for them.

Microsoft, Google et al can provide a product that is fully integrated across all devices and easily accessed around the world. How many valuable ISP customers are using ISP provided email anyway?

Re:The sooner the better (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212527)

Actually, having a good and well working email service is pretty interesting for ISPs, as has been mentioned before, a lot of people use their ISP-issued mail address for many important things, and switching ISPs automatically cuts them off from using this mail address. It creates a lot of hassle for many people to get rid of their ISP so they are more likely to stay.

Re:The sooner the better (1)

jrumney (197329) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213537)

In my experience, ISPs provide at best, a second class email service

As opposed to the third rate service you get when they outsource it [slashdot.org] ?

Re:The sooner the better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214717)

As someone who still has a hotmail account, it amazes me how their product manages to get worse every year. Apparently making a product uglier, buggier, and less convenient is a better option than simply leaving it alone. I mostly use it for the sketchier email sign-ups and even so, I'm thinking it might be time to move on to another address for that task. I would never, under any circumstances, recommend Microsoft for email. They are incompetent.

Ideal for your Smartphone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212437)

From TFA "Find out about updating Windows# Phone, iPhone*, Android^, Nokia, BlackBerry+ or other phones"

There's your answer. One more way to push Windows Phone. I'm surprised they didn't simply push Android to the 'other phones' category.

My facebook feed re: this article (-1, Troll)

SebZero (1051264) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212501)

"Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Australia's worst ISP teaming up with the world's worst email service. Gold!"

Re:My facebook feed re: this article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212677)

"Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Australia's worst ISP teaming up with the world's worst email service. Gold!"

You've not even used outlook.com, have you?

Re:My facebook feed re: this article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212945)

No IMAP == crap.

Re:My facebook feed re: this article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214501)

No EAS == crap.

And Gmail doesn;t even support full IMAP specification, it cannot do push e-mail for example.

This is hardly surprising (4, Interesting)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212531)

Telstra have traditionally worked closely with Microsoft, and are resellers of their products [telstra.com.au] . This is just business as usual for them.

On one hand you have a massive, monopolistic company that has held back competition in the industry (but whose influence is now waning), while the other company is Microsoft. It seems like an obvious match.

What I don't understand is why there is any reference to the NBN in the summary?

Halfway Measure (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212561)

Really having your email on somebody else's server is just a bad way of doing things.

It's doens't give you the same legal protection as having your stuff in your home. It makes you beholden to somebody else for your email address. And it slows down delivery considerably.

Best to just run your own server.

Re:Halfway Measure (1)

hodet (620484) | about a year and a half ago | (#43214485)

Then 99.999% of all people are doing things badly for the simple reason that they cannot get a static IP address. Not to mention all the port blocking making running an email server in your home futile. It is not even a matter of personal choice. For the vast majority of those even willing to, they pretty much have to go with a VPS. I am with google now on my own domain but have considered moving my email to my own VPS. Years ago work allowed me to setup my own on their network and I really enjoyed the experience. Then as I roll up my sleeves to get going I think, geez google does a fine job, there are more interesting things to work on.

Re:Halfway Measure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43216523)

Really having your email on somebody else's server is just a bad way of doing things.

It's doens't give you the same legal protection as having your stuff in your home. It makes you beholden to somebody else for your email address. And it slows down delivery considerably.

Best to just run your own server.

Best, not doubt.

But like most "best" things, it's expensive. A reliable connection, domain, a static IP, reliable server and backup hardware, UPS, backup...we're talking a thousand dollars, minimum, initial cost, plus a hundred bucks a month at least for the connection and upkeep. Not to mention the time to set up and maintain the whole works.

Yes, it would be nice, but there's a reason people just let Google do it for "free."

Re:Halfway Measure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43218705)

You suggest that every person has a computer running 24/7 ? Waste of energy I think.

Re:Halfway Measure (1)

ogdenk (712300) | about a year and a half ago | (#43220821)

And if you're on a cable IP range, a lot of well-configured mail servers won't accept mail from you.

Re:Halfway Measure (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43223241)

That's only an issue if you are stuck with a dynamic IP.

You can still use your cable company for outbound mail and maintain your own mail server.

If you don't like your cable company there are commercial options as well, which let you pick a privacy policy.

I Can Imagine The Onion Take On This (4, Funny)

guttentag (313541) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212659)

In other news, the U.S. Postal Service is partnering up with local garbage dumps in an effort to reduce its costs, clear landfill space and bring you fresher junk mail than ever before. While some people will grumble about the security and public health implications of re-delivering old junk mail that has already been thrown out, others have pointed out that they weren't using the service anyway.

Re:I Can Imagine The Onion Take On This (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213939)

Weren't using what service anyway?

One glaring feature missing (4, Informative)

GrBear (63712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212711)

Outlook.com still doesn't support IMAP, which is why I'll stick to my own email hosting solution.

Re:One glaring feature missing (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214037)

Yes it does

Re:One glaring feature missing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43218293)

Mod parent up - I've been using IMAP on my outlook.com uni email for years.

Telstra Bigpond, otoh, limits you to SMTP/POP on non- business accounts.

Re:One glaring feature missing (1)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | about a year and a half ago | (#43221919)

[citation required]

Microsoft says Outlook.com IMAP support "coming", promises better Mac support
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/microsoft-says-outlookcom-imap-support-coming-promises-better-mac-support-253444 [ndtv.com]

Access Your Account Using IMAP or POP E-Mail Programs
http://help.outlook.com/en-ca/140/cc875899.aspx [outlook.com]
"Applies to: Office 365 for professionals and small businesses, Office 365 for enterprises, Microsoft Exchange, Live@edu."

Webmail war: Gmail vs. Outlook.com vs. Yahoo Mail
http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/feature/webmail-war-gmail-vs-outlookcom-vs-yahoo-mail [pcworld.co.nz]
"Outlook.com does not support IMAP"

Outlook 2007? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43212717)

>Configure BigPond email with Microsoft Outlook 2007
>NEW BIGPOND® EMAIL, COMING IN 2013/14

Why does Telstra assume everybody will still be using a 7-year-old email client in 2014?

Re:Outlook 2007? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214555)

I do use Office 2007 now. No way I will pay for 2013 or 2010, too expensive for no new innovative must-have features.
Even Telstra knows that, as they use 2007 too in their environment.

Ancient "news" (3, Informative)

Demonoid-Penguin (1669014) | about a year and a half ago | (#43212865)

Telstra started migrating Bigpuddle customers to Live late last year.

It's not will soon ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213045)

The infidels already migrated me ...
Thanks Telstra !!!

I have to many emails, never used my ISP addresses (1)

bobjr94 (1120555) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213273)

Back in the 90 I got tired of my email changing everytime my ISP got bought out so I got hotmail, thats been my primary email for about 15 years now. I have many email accounts that Ive been forced to sign up for (yahoo, several Gmail, comcast, etc) that I never use.

Nothing unusual (2)

jimicus (737525) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213543)

Lots of ISPs have been doing something similar all over the world, for a very simple reason:

The profit margin in providing internet service is miniscule. And people expect more and more from email.

15 years ago, you'd get POP3 and a mailbox quota of maybe 20MB. If you were lucky, you might also get some sort of web-based email, but it was usually pretty primitive by modern standards.

Today, people expect a sophisticated web-based service that they can also use with their smartphone and there's still quite a few people who want to use something like Outlook (and so need IMAP). Yet the profit margin per-customer per-month after you've met the costs in providing a DSL line and backhaul to the Internet is something stupid like £1. They're being expected to setup, support and maintain something comparable with GMail for £1/user/month. Well, less than £1/user/month because you still need to make some profit.

Even a Google Apps for Business account is £2.75 per user per month.

No wonder they want to stop providing email, you simply can't do a good job unless you specialise in it.

I don't see a problem with this (2)

Theovon (109752) | about a year and a half ago | (#43213639)

Microsoft has no monopoly in this area, they're not acting aggressively or anticompetitively, and they're not doing a crappy job. They're also no more likely to be hacked than the competition. And Google isn't exactly saintly anymore. Sure, you can expect that there will be some security breach in the future; there always is in basically every system, and the competition isn't going to be any more immune.

Ok, sure, you don't want to give money to Microsoft. But this is a WEB SERVICE. It's not the same as installing Windows on your PC and letting Microsoft take control of what you can compute. It's email, and it does a good job for most people. If you need to meet some other requirements, you can set up your own email server. But that's you, not Joe User who wants to send photos to grandma.

Anyhow, so this ISP probably evaluated multiple solutions, including Google and Microsoft, and decided that Microsoft was going to give them the best value (them, not necessarily their customers). Sucks for Google, good for Telstra, basically indifferent for most of their users.

Must be that new math the kids keep talking about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43215461)

"Microsoft has no monopoly in this area, they're not acting aggressively or anticompetitively, and they're not doing a crappy job"

You have an interesting definition for "not doing a crappy job". Must be that new math the kids keep talking about.

Microsoft has a long and continuing history of fudging with standard mail protocols "just enough" to make to make using Outlook a constant pain in the backside for anyone NOT using an MS Outlook client. Sure, the Outlook server 'could' be completely standard and play nice with the rest of the world, but that's not how it's configured out of the box and MS admins are discouraged from making it play nice with anything but other Outlook clients.

This effectively locks not only the actual users, but also the people who receive emails from Outlook clients to into using the native MS Outlook client themselves.

Just another monopoly, acting aggressively and anti-competitively to push a crappy product.

tuUbgirl (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213811)

Re:tuUbgirl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214407)

mod up, ehy, as my morning fuzzy shit roll continues.

Re:tuUbgirl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214435)

"and if you call telstra, we'll just say go to hell sir" and probably blame MCI...

Sing it loudly now, with that shrimp on the barby voice!

Mastering Linux - Sendmail.conf in the BACK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213921)

This is why in all linux books the sendmail.cfg is in the back 26 pages of the books!

echo "hello world bay-bee"

Here's my belief.
SMTP/POP3 server is a pain in the ass to run correctly. (yeah I know there's those smart ass'es who tell you the blacklists are simple we've been doing if for years, yet they still can't secure YOUR server, since their method is different.)
ISP's for whatever fucked up reason may or may not be able to deal with it. (I've personally seen incompetence as a reason)
If they can't they should outsource it.

Some real isp's like sonic.net provide email with white/black/greylist (also newsgroups)

Re:Mastering Linux - Sendmail.conf in the BACK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43213961)

oh yeah, since this is Australia, I almost forgot the mandatory Spammer's Paradise - Pacific Link song..

http://www.fecyk.ca/spamalbum/

I'm sure you can find it..

lyrics
http://www.fecyk.ca/spamalbum/lyrics/spammers-paradise.txt

Re:Mastering Linux - Sendmail.conf in the BACK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214203)

also this story covers up this one. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker-distributes-memos-784091

where we find out neat things like bill clinton's AOL accounts? AOL? what the fuck? No wonder government doesn't know how to secure their fucking shit, the stupid fucks are using AOL! These fuckers are walking security disasters. Both live office holders and ex presidents and others! It's only after considering the fact they're all so motherfucking corrupt, that I am kind of glad they are so stupid in regards to technology and security, but PISSED cause they've fucked our constitution and everything. Dumb people are the ones who get EVERYONE KILLED.

Re:Mastering Linux - Sendmail.conf in the BACK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214311)

(I've personally seen incompetence as a reason)

I should be fair and say I also saw MONEY as a reason

(hahah fucking slashdot, 5 minutes to submit, can't you fucks get it, I can't even not drink a beer in five minutes, you make me wait, I'm buying a case, a beer a minute, 24 minutes of posting on slashdot, we're going to proxy, tor, and zombie-- alright might take more than 24 minutes to drink 24 beers, but 6 motherfucker! Oh wait that gives you or me one extra min and change.. Man my head hurts today, I can't do fuzzy math, I can't talk shit, I can't piss straight, I can't have guns, I can't get my money out of my cypress bank account, I can't figure out if it's obama's "rebels" (cough Al-quedaN) or if it's assad+.ru genius with the chemical weapons, I can't see any banksters or senators in Ft Leavenworth yet. Maybe I just go back to sleep then. Night night, fuck it, I have no job, no future, no voice soon. How will I ask the sheriff foa a concealed carry when I dont have a motherfucking GUN!? )

telstra.net HAS NO BACKBONE ;o) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214597)

" these dual C-64's sitting next to me, they're the back bone of telstra.net "

Oh why do I say this? Connect to telstra.net:80 failed

Gun Spammer Paradise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43214753)

It's two am on a weekday,
I'm beginning to feel a cold sweat;
There's sounds of MRAP'S a surrounding me,
It's the backbone of DHS.gov

I said "Come. let's send the world a 30 round clip,
I don't really care where it goes;
If you cross my home's threshold with that unconstitutional shit
after that it's a motherfucking crap shoot.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Now Obama our beloved black president
Has a gun stance far from love...
But he's a quick with a frown, when the 3D printers skip town
While he's shoving obama care down.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Dum DUm Dumb Dumb Dum bum

Re:Gun Spammer Paradise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43215115)

It's two am on a weekday,
I'm beginning to feel a cold sweat;
There's sounds of MRAP'S a surrounding my home
It's the backbone of DHS.gov/Net

I said "Come. let's send the world a 30 round clip,
I don't really care where it goes;
If you cross my home's threshold with that unconstitutional bullshit
after that it's a motherfucking crap shoot, eh Joe?

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Da, da da, de de da lies..
Da da, de de da, da da.

Now Obama our beloved black president
Has a gun stance far from love...
But he's a quick with a frown, when the 3D printers wanna skip town
While shoving obama care down our throats.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Dum DUm Dumb Dumb Dum bum

One day at the local city council
I heard a man protest
he said your stealing everything all around us
and don't want us armed for protests.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Liar Lie Lie Liar Liar

Now, you might think it's unacceptable,
But there's no need for you to know why;
'Cause if you phone dhs, they'll say, "Go to hell sir"
And probably blame whitehouse.gov. ( or SLPC | IDL | MIAC | UN | NATO etc even if i spell em wrong)

And over in Northern California,
As the sysadmins slowly "toke it away"
Yes, they're all sharing an herb they call "Cannabis" (alt: cause it's the backbone of telstra.net)
cause it's the backbone of telstra.net (couldn't resist)

There's a lot of executive orders for a Sunday
It's not refreshing to see
Cops shooting dogs without a warrant for no reason
Are dead (along with the people) more than one time in three.

And the banks all feel like casinos,
As the roulette wheel once again froze,
Yes, there's 36 red and black numbers, it's said,
But there's 36 million zeroes.

Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.
Da, da da, de de da,
Da da, de de da, da da.

Suck my dick new world order
I'm going to pound your ass
we can even resort to psyops
like if you C me goat C'z u 2

goat.zc cc cz or what ever the fuck
have a nice day, I drank too many beer

Re:Gun Spammer Paradise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43215267)

bunga bunga from down unda. ;o)

Would be awesome... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43215173)

...except Outlook.com bites donkey c@ck.

What's the link? (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#43217293)

What's the link between the NBN and ISP's providing email services? Apart from ISP's will use the NBN to deliver service to customers and customers use email.

working closely with Microsoft (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#43217485)

They always have, chucky. Any anyway, all the ISP email systems I have seen recently use google.

not new (1)

lkernan (561783) | about a year and a half ago | (#43218245)

They've been using hotmail for years, this isn't news, just an upgrade.

They already have (1)

wakeboarder (2695839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43219873)

About half of my familly's ISP's use a 'cloud' based email solution. This has been so for about 10 years.

timely (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43220189)

Amazing, only 13 months late. I love slashdot.

``If you've connected, updated or added mailboxes after 10 February 2012, you'll have access to Outlook.com straight away.''

China thanks you (0)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43220869)

Australia holds a lot of useful information. Now, China will hold it as well.

And still no IMAP (1)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | about a year and a half ago | (#43221901)

Bigpond to use Outlook.com as email handler and still, in the year 2013, you can't use IMAP for your email.
It's bad enough that up until now they've been providing nothing but a POP account (except with the switch to Windows Live Mail last year) but to move to another provider that doesn't support IMAP is just crazy.
Sure, you can use EAS on your mobile device, but what about on your desktop. Oh, you mean there are other email clients than Outlook?

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