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Google Fiber Expands To Olathe, Kansas

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the coming-soon dept.

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skade88 writes "If you are one of the lucky 125,000 people who live in Olathe, Kansas, the rest of us congratulate you on your new amazing $70.00/month, 1 GB Google fiber service. Google also announced they will be letting us know about further cities that will be wired up with Google Fiber service soon. This shows that Google Fiber is not just a sandbox they are going to keep in Kansas City, Google Fiber is a real business they will keep expanding. In other exciting news, the FCC wants to see at least one community in each state with 1 Gigabit home service by 2015."

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1 GB Google fiber service (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43231953)

So 1 GB? Thats only 8 seconds at 1 Gb/s. Now thats a low data cap, or a bad summery.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232035)

Blame Parmy Olson, Forbes Staff. I bet she also thinks that the highway speed limit is 100 miles when she drives in Canada.

How do they make profit ? (3, Funny)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232327)

1GB/s line, only 70 bucks / month

How do they make any profit ??

Re:How do they make profit ? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232805)

In sweden i pay $9 for 100/100mbit fiber, so i'm pretty sure google is raking in a profit for $70 a month even if its for 1gbit/s.

Re:How do they make profit ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43236157)

Note to self, why don't I live in Sweden?

Re:How do they make profit ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232827)

Same way they make profit with free GMail, free search, etc.

It's all about tracking you baby!

Re: How do they make profit ? (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232927)

I'm sure you're right, but I think it's worth noting that this probably isn't much more expensive to deliver than FiOS or something. At a certain point the speed doesn't matter. It's the same thing they did with Gmail when that was first released.

First of all, when it's such a limited rollout, you can massively oversubscribe. I have FiOS with a 50mb package and I can barely saturate THAT, at 0.5% of these speeds. No web servers can deliver at that speed -- not even the major streaming sites like Netflix or YouTube. The only time I see my connection near full utilization is if I'm downloading a torrent with a ton of seeds. Unless you're keeping the traffic within the network, you'll never even hit a tenth of that 1 Gbps.

Now add in the fact that they have no legacy equipment. For Verizon, AT&T, etc, they've got that gear they got ten or twenty years ago that they're still trying to squeeze every last cent out of. And why not? With no competition, you'd have to be a moron not to. Google doesn't have that option, so they're going to have far better equipment, and just plan to recoup the cost later.

Re: How do they make profit ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233059)

My 30Mb line has a 100Mb burst, and I hit that 100Mb burst all the time and saturate the 30Mb with ease. 50Mb is not much. Most of my saturation happens during game patching and downloading from Steam.

Re:How do they make profit ? (1)

pipatron (966506) | about a year and a half ago | (#43234063)

And that is sort of ok. You should always assume that your ISP can and will listen in on the traffic, and take measures to make sure this is not a problem. If not your ISP directly, someone can easily make them or on of their employees do it.

Browse on sites with HTTPS, make sure your other protocols are using SSL or some other published, open and scrutinized encryption. If you really need to hide your destination, use Tor.

I don't think Google is any worse than the other ISPs in this respect, and I think Google has other reasons to become an ISP.

  • 1) The other ISPs in the US seem to fucking suck with regards to bandwidth and arbitrary data caps, hurting Google's drive to make everything happen online on their own servers. More players are needed, players who like the internet, not players who actually hates it because it cuts in to their own profits.
  • 2) They are afraid that in a not-so-distant future, the ISP who for example is also a telco will start demanding that Google pays for all google voice chats over the telco's data lines. The ISP who's also a cable company will demand that Google pays for all youtube streaming, etc. This won't be a problem if Google is their own ISP.

Re:How do they make profit ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43234575)

You're a good little drone aren't you?

Re:How do they make profit ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233021)

By overbooking backbone capacity I would guess, just like with current net access. It's only 1 Gigabit Ethernet connection to network. 1 and 10 GbE technology is cheap nowadays.

I guess the uplink from the edge router is 10 GbE and as not everyone is saturating their link 100% at the same time it works well, with a couple of hundred appartments/houses sharing a 10 GbE fiber.

Re:How do they make profit ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233195)

I'm betting Google is making use of the already-present overabundance of dark fiber that has been buried throughout Kansas City(a lot of it thanks to a failed Sprint project back in the late 90's/early 2000's - Sprint spent literally billions trying to set up a high speed network but scrapped the project and wrote it off as a loss - my boss worked for them at the time).

Now if Google continues moving west at this rate, it'll only be a decade or so before we get this service in my city! (Topeka)

Re:How do they make profit ? (1)

Kagato (116051) | about a year and a half ago | (#43236065)

Because upstream traffic doesn't actually cost all that much. Google doesn't have competitive reasons to make their service inferior. That is to say Google is more likely to enter into peering and co-location agreements with companies that cable may avoid (Netflix, various Video CDNs like Limelight). Netflix for instance is going to be a superior experience on Google because Google is willing to directly interconnect.

In the grand scheme of things last mile infrastructure is where the majority of the cost is contained. That includes hardware costs, right of way costs and labor. Cable generally costs more because they have a lot of legacy costs.

For instance most cable companies are still very filter heavy. Meaning to change or configure services means a slew of special purpose filters are added and removed to provision the service. This will eventually go away as analog is removed from the network, but there's still a ton of technical debt built into those cable networks.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (1)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233395)

I bet she also thinks that the highway speed limit is 100 miles when she drives in Canada.

Not only that, but she can drive it in less than 12 parsecs.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232153)

Line rate is CAPACITY, not SPEED.

No one else on the internet but me seems to realize that lines are total capacity and NOT a measure of speed. Speed is relative and matters the time it takes packets to travel which are affected by many factors, not the least of which is physical distance around the world.

On top of that, have fun handing over 100% of your online activity to google to store "anonymously" versus just the actions you perform on their services.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232193)

Wait, who are we trolling for today?

Is this the Facebook Burson Marsteller team, the Microsoft Scroogled group or the Apple Waggener Edstrom rapid response crew?

I can't even tell who's paying for this FUD any more.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232803)

Let's troll Olathe.
Situated in the richest county in Kansas (a K.C. 'burb), this land of endless strip malls and look alike houses could hardly be construed as lucky.
They're fucking rich. Good luck getting a job there, you gotta know someone and blow someone. Even WalMart is manned by the kids of the rich, driving to work in hot rodded Civics or Daddys Lexus. Of course they got fiber next. That was kinda a no brainer after putting in all that fiber for the crackheads in downtown K.C., it was time to actually try for a profit. I hope they make Olathe shoulder the load for the whole damn thing. Fucking Yuppies any damn way.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232963)

Wait, the Walmart workers there drive Civics?

Truly, they have reached the height of prosperity.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232819)

Slashdot, where you're called a fanboy or a shill for realizing how Google makes its money.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (4, Interesting)

Bongoots (795869) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232977)

Yeah, there really is some ignorance towards basic computing terms out there.

If the service was 1 GB/s, then that'd be 8 Gb/s. Let alone that the fine summary says "1 GB Google fiber service", so is wrong twice over by using B and no '/s' or 'ps'.

All laughing aside, data transfer speed is rated in bits per second (bps or b/s), while data storage capacity is rated in Bytes (B), with a capitalised prefix T/era, G/iga, M/ega. There's a huge difference between B/b, and even major stores which sell lots of computer equipment get them mixed up. I'm sure I don't need to preach to the converted, as they say, but I've started so I'll finish..

I'm often annoyed by things like "portable 500 Gb drive" which if such an ad was correct should only have 62.5 GB of space. The same the other way around where Internet (capital I) service providers sometimes use B when advertising speeds. It doesn't help when the idiots who should know what they're on about say the wrong things for such simple matters.

Maybe it should've said "125 MB/s Google fiber service" (which I know is the wrong way to report data speed, unless you're trying to simplify how fast you can pillage the Internet with your download speed in an easy-to think of way), but then that would confuse the poor common IT-illiterate users into thinking that it was wasn't "big" and "fast".

Likewise, but on a tangent, years ago the memory in a computer wasn't a large selling factor, but now laptops are advertised with the memory size before the drive space. This can only help to confuse users when they see "Intel Pentium Dual Core 4GB 500GB 14" HD LED..." for sale. Previously the standard used to be drive space before memory size, and sometimes is still done that way today. No fixed standard. Does it have a 4 GB drive with 500 GB memory?! Of course not, but I'm sure some might still ask the question in bewilderment.

For the record, I've only got 30 Mb/s service here in the UK from Virgin.

Re:1 GB Google fiber service (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233601)

I used to be all about give me faster and faster. Now I wonder with that much speed, what will I do? Will my family spend even more time watching shows? Will my hard drives fill up faster than they already do?
Then again, if I have good speeds like that, and no data cap, then I might consider cloud storage.

Consume faster! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43231965)

Consume more data, Advertising Sales Target #44721-C1!

Just don't you dare try to run a server on that connection. The Internet will be unidirectional for non-corporates.

Wow, amazing (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43231977)

This is incredible.

Korea and Japan must be looking on in envy. Why, by the year 17000, over 50% of US homes will have a fast internet connection! Won't that be something!

Re:Wow, amazing (5, Interesting)

rusty0101 (565565) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232045)

I think the providers in South Korea and Japan have figured out that they have a market for the out of date networking equipment they are replacing.

Re:Wow, amazing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232219)

"Korea and Japan must be looking on in envy. "

Nobody looks on Kansas in envy, nobody.

Re:Wow, amazing (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232337)

What about North Dakota?

Re:Wow, amazing (1)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233485)

If anyone lived in North Dakota, they probably would.

Re:Wow, amazing (1)

GLMDesigns (2044134) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233927)

North Dakota is booming. People are moving there in droves.

2 years (2)

slackware 3.6 (2524328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43231983)

to set up Gigabit internet service in 52 communities?
That's a real lofty goal.
And how much will this cost taxpayers in the for of subsidies for the large telecoms?

Re:2 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232037)

Isn't this one of the things that is good to spend tax money on?

Re:2 years (4, Insightful)

rusty0101 (565565) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232073)

Some people think all taxes are bad. In this case I would say that if Google is the only company working to provide 1Gig service, then any tax money going to Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner, Comcast, CenturyLink and so on needs to be pulled back and redistributed to those companies that are actually providing 1Gig service as part of their funds for continuing to build out the service. If one or more of the large telecoms wants in on the funds, they can demonstrate that they are actually rolling out relevant improvements.

Re:2 years (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232965)

Well also don't forget we have already paid for this service via taxes to these companies for decades, since the early Clinton years.

All those little fees got paid to the service providers to keep the network updated, in the end though they just pocketed the money.

Re:2 years (1)

nschubach (922175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233033)

Which is why the money should go to the company the does the work first. Make the company take a loan to do the project and when it's complete, pay it off for them. If they don't complete the project, make them keep paying off the loan.

Re:2 years (2)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233047)

Or just make it a utility since the tax payers are already paying for it.

Here in Texas we got one company that manages the actual power lines then resellers that sell directly to the consumer and have to compete with each other.

Re:2 years (2)

nschubach (922175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233663)

I'm perfectly fine with that. I'd even argue to have the local village/municipal put fiber/power/water/sewer to every home and have a central patching building for the service provider to connect to. Part of every bill would then go to the city for further upkeep. This way you don't have to worry about companies having right of way to bury lines and monopoly situations.

Re:2 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232081)

Isn't this one of the things that is good to spend tax money on?

Not if they're gonna spend $22k on routers for small offices.

Re:2 years (2)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233425)

Hey, don't knock it. At that rate, I should be getting Google Fiber sometime around 2042.

Time to upgrade my 10baseT? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43231989)

Or will that be big enough for the Goog pipe? I am a net admin so I am set but want to check in case I overlooked somethin. I was going for a CRT which is an expensive NEC 17 incher to LCD upgrade first if my pipe can wait.

One community in each state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43231995)

>In other exciting news, the FCC wants to see at least one community in each state with 1 Gigabit home service by 2015.
That's cool. Can it be where I am in New Mexico? I don't even get decent 1.5mbps DSL here.

You could get faster (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232053)

All it takes is $$, or $$$, or $$$$, or maybe even $$$$$ or $$$$$$. With enough money you can run your own fiber.

Re:One community in each state (3, Interesting)

Arker (91948) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232079)

Not only are they talking one community per state, they are counting each suburb as a different community, so it seems to me they are saying it will be years before it moves beyond the suburbs of capital cities. Which is a real shame because obviously this is a great ISP. Almost makes me wish I lived in Kansas City but... nah.

In 2002 they had residential 100mbit symmetrical connections for ~$50/month in Sweden. Still cant get anything near that in most of the US. But it's good to see google doing something about it, just a little frustrating that it's obviously going to be so long before this sort of thing is available where I live.

And.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232025)

And what did Count Olathe think about it?

Can we share? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232031)

I'll take 100Mbit for $7

Olathe (5, Informative)

slag02 (1359687) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232057)

I am one of those residents - (Just moved back from Chicago-Land last October) - For those curious the city is pronounced O-LAYth-UH We are a suburb of KC and it seems the Olathe Government took cues from the issues with the city that Google was having In KC and tried to ease Google's issues by putting what they want explicitly in the writing of the contracts. I hope it arrives sooner than later and thank you for your Congratulations

Re:Olathe (0)

FauxReal (653820) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232143)

I'm curious... have you seen the terms of their service agreement? I'm wondering if you have to agree that Google can parse the unencrypted parts of your data stream for advertising/user metrics (for anonymizing and sale)?

Re:Olathe (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232321)

The terms for the first roll out is publicly available. There is no such clause fortunately (or unfortunately if are not a fan of google)

Re:Olathe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43234673)

Yes it does, it explicitly covers "monitoring" all traffic, for quality assurance of course.

Re:Olathe (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43234841)

I still hate you guys for those obnoxious Sunflower Dodge commercials in the 80's and 90's. Now I have another reason to hate you. (I don't live in KC anymore).

Re:Olathe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43235531)

I think i may remember those. Maybe a youtube search later. But for now I realize it is a commercial and it does not matter. If that is your biggest problem in life...

but to get back on topic:
With google fiber the youtube vid would have like no buffer time.

Re:Olathe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43234891)

I live there too and I don't really care.

We do have funny road names though
Mur-len, like the wizard.
Arapaho, is that indian?
Black Bob, which I am sure has racist undertones.
I used a Garmin which had the roads here wrong. Garmin is headquartered in Olathe.

Not really seeing the point (1, Redundant)

Taantric (2587965) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232209)

What can you do with 1 Gigabit Google Fibre that you can't do with 20Mbps DSL or 50Mbps Cable internet? Obviously I am talking about residential customers and not data centers or commercial users. Complete overblown PR hype by Google and lovingly covered by media outlets getting on the bandwagon desperate for content to fill their websites and news-cycles.

Re:Not really seeing the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232231)

"What can you do with 1 Gigabit Google Fibre that you can't do with 20Mbps DSL or 50Mbps Cable internet? "

Do you know how big these HD Porn Siterips are?

Brazzers is 443.08 GB, it would be ages before you can jack off with 20MB/s.

Re:Not really seeing the point (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232299)

"What can you do with 1 Gigabit Google Fibre that you can't do with 20Mbps DSL or 50Mbps Cable internet? "

Do you know how big these HD Porn Siterips are?

Brazzers is 443.08 GB, it would be ages before you can jack off with 20MB/s.

Yes, because obviously you can only masturbate when you have a 100% complete copy of every piece of porn ever made.

Re:Not really seeing the point (2)

olau (314197) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232883)

Fiber is being rolled out in Denmark too, mostly in the country-side because the old electric utilities (owned by the residents) decided to have a go at it. So I too have been wondering about this. But if you have 3 TV sets/house streaming on demand in a good quality, you're going to need more than 20 Mbit/s. And with most of the ADSL solutions, it's a hit or miss whether they can actually deliver up to what they promise.

I have a friend who moved to the middle of a 300k residents city and his 20 Mbit ADSL couldn't actually deliver more than about 7 Mbit. So if his girlfriend is watching a SD channel, the line is so bogged down that it's more or less useless.

Also I have an online backup of our family photos, and working with even 40 GB of data over ADSL is sloooooow.

So more juice is definitely needed in the not-so-distant future.

I find it interesting .... (5, Interesting)

ChronoFish (948067) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232265)

That Google choose what is pretty much the geographic center of the (continental) US to start this endeavor.

From Kansas City,
1500 miles to Google (Pacific ocean)
1000 miles to Atlantic ocean
660 miles to Canada
660 miles to Gulf of Mexico

And is uniquely situated, split between Kansas and Missouri.

Really does make for a great statement to grow the broadband infrastructure from the center out.

Re:I find it interesting .... (1)

wickerprints (1094741) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232551)

Geographically it may be close to the center, but I suggest that an alternative metric be used to compute the centroid, one that accounts for population density and per-capita network traffic volume. Even so, such a centroid may not be a particularly good candidate for a starting point, in as much as it makes little sense to claim that a good estimate for the roll of a fair six-sided die is 3.5 because that is the expected value of the outcome.

Cost aside, it would make more sense to build such a network in a heavy-traffic area, to see how questions of scalability and impact on end users will play out in the worse-case scenarios, rather than to build it in a small town only to discover the business model doesn't work for big cities. The reason why the former approach tends not to be chosen is because small towns are under-served for internet connectivity, their small size makes it feasible to lay out the infrastructure at less cost, and the lack of preexisting services and hardware makes adoption more likely.

Re:I find it interesting .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233085)

Per-capita network traffic volume is a poor metric. If all you can get is 1.5Mbit and you would consume 12Mbit if it was available, it's skewed in favor of the places that already have halfway decent broadband.

Re:I find it interesting .... (1)

SmilingBoy (686281) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232795)

Kansas City is actually close to the mean center of the U.S. population [wikipedia.org] , which is near Springfield, MO.

Re:I find it interesting .... (1)

Improbus (1996348) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233107)

Oh, that's great for us mid-westerners. Next Omaha, Des Moines, St. Louis and Joplin? When Google gets to Denver I am soooooo moving. Imagine, 1GB Internet AND legal weed!

News that matters? (0, Redundant)

captainpanic (1173915) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232309)

What is this? The Kansas local newspaper?
I'm not normally one to criticize Slashdot editors for their choice of articles, but this seems just a little bit too local. High speed internet is being rolled out across the globe. In the Netherlands, you can just order it built to your home or office, and if you're lucky, the laying of the actual cable itself doesn't cost any money, so you just pay your local internet provider.

Or is this just the 1st place in the USA that has entered the 21st century? Welcome.

p.s. For the skeptics, here's a random link of fibreoptic internet in Veendam, which is the Dutch equivalent of a prairie town in Kansas.
http://www.veendamkrijgtglasvezel.nl/ [veendamkri...asvezel.nl]

Re:News that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232789)

Netherlands=41,543 km2 406 people per km2
Kansas=213,096 km2 13 people per km2
And thats just one of 50 states.

Sorry you can't understand why fiber is costly in the USA.

Cue the morons (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232429)

Who love to point out that their country -- often the size of one of our states -- has had this for a long time. Some people will never, ever get it.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232807)

Yep. That definitely explains why no major US city centers have decent connectivity. Kudos!

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232821)

Hi, i'm a moron pointing out that Sweden, which is roughly 1/4th of the landmass of the US, and with 1/35th of the population (paying customers) have had 100mbit fiber for between $10 and $30 / month, for about 10 years.

It's all about being able to finance digging down fiber.. and if we can do that with 1/35th of the customers, over 1/4 of the area, then your argument is bs! Americans are so convinced your best at everything that your in denial, your companies are screwing you over.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232843)

1/4th of the landmass of the US

In the same world as where greenland is the size of south america, perhaps?

Re:Cue the morons (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233065)

yes, you are a moron. Wiki Sweden vs USA and realize Sweden is 21 times smaller then the US by landmass.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233247)

yes, you are a moron

smaller then

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

Re:Cue the morons (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233313)

Sweden is slightly larger than California.
6.13% to be exact.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233171)

How are the internet services in Karesuando [google.com] ?

If 100Mbit is available there, then the US is really failing hard.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233473)

I am convinced googles main purpose is to be a spy machine. I wouldn't take 100gb from them for free. Do you know if Sweden broadband spies on everything you do ?

Re:Cue the morons (1)

tmosley (996283) | about a year and a half ago | (#43234665)

Right, and I'm sure that your population is evenly distributed throughout your country, rather than being concentrated in two or three urban areas.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43235465)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_areas_in_Sweden

Actually, the three largest cities in Sweden total only about 3.2m people (including the entire "metropolitan area = region consisting of a densely populated urban core and its less-populated surrounding territories, sharing industry, infrastructure, and housing") out of a total 9m. Most of Sweden lives in country-side shitholes with merely thousands of people, and the biggest city only has 800 000 citizens (city only) when counting the city only.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2212.html

Sweden is only slightly more urbanized than the US (85% vs 82%).

Re:Cue the morons (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233627)

High speed internet? You're right. We wont ever get that. By the time we all have 1Gb/s service, the rest of the world will be cruising 100 Gb/s.

Explain to me how its ok that we have the slowest, least advanced, internet industry in the entire western world, AND WE INVENTED THE DAMN THING?!

Small towns of 10k people in Finalnd get 200 Mb/s hookups at 40$ month. For 40$/mo in the Us, you can get, maybe, 20 Mb/s. If you live in a big city, its easier, but thats only about 37% of our population. For the rest, the 25 Mb/S hookup is the top tier, 100+$ a month selection. Living in a small town of 10k people in this country you're lucky to get 12Mb/s for 50% mo, if you arent too far outside the city limits and restricted to dial up only, which is nearly 10% of the nation. (or satellite...but lets not even go there)

Morons? That dont get it? Sir, I believe you just described yourself.

Re:Cue the morons (1)

tmosley (996283) | about a year and a half ago | (#43234745)

Don't forget the externalized costs. I wonder how much they get in subsidies? Would you be willing to fork over a $10,000 connection fee to hook up, and pay an additional $200 a month for the service? Probably not.

But I'm just shooting from the hip. I don't have any facts or figures beyond that people in socialist countries claim to be so much better off than everyone else while they devour their seed corn and still manage to have a lower standard of living than less socialist and even outright FASCIST countries like the US.

Re:Cue the morons (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43235997)

so. much. wrong. with. moronic. post.

you are an idiot. no really.
a class AAA, absolutely clueless, completely uninformed moron, who has exposed his own ignorance about his own nation, about infrastructure, and about the most basic of facts of foreign nations.

the US is the king of subsidies. subsidies to companies that repackage and resell us access to the very resources they theoretically merely hold in trust for us. how nice of you to ignore that.

Lower standard of living? Maybe if you cherry pick the poorest of nations. the US has the lower life expectency of any western nation. the US has a similar or somewhat higher per capita income than many european nations, yet with the money we have less buying power, resulting in being merely on par with or even below the per capita buying power of the majority of European nations, INCLUDING the Sweden and Finland. countries whom you dismiss as socialist, but are in actuality Parlimentary Republics much like own (whcih by the way is not fascist). you should maybe look up the definition of socialist...merely having a socialist party doesnt make ones country a socialist country. in addition most of these countries also have less income disparity (re: extremes, outliers), less poverty, lower unemployment...

But hey, I'm not shooting from the hip, i'm just spouting easily found facts and figures, rather than assuming my preconcieved notion is a fact rather than a hopeful wish.

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43234039)

Hey, hey, my, my
Rock and roll will never die

They give you this (broadband Internet connectivity) but you pay for that (conscription, high taxation, medical care rationing, burdensome regulation, discouragement of personal motor vehicle ownership/operation, opportunity control via education, resentment of achievement, living in flats, council housing, human rights tribunals, resistance to assimilation, soccer, etc).

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43236375)

I _LIKE_ soccer, you insensitive clod!

Re:Cue the morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43235503)

So please point out which one of your states that have better connectivity than for example, the Socialistical hellhole Sweden, has had for a long time.

Also, anecdote:
http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/sweden
http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/usa

Well, at least you have the freedom to choose!

This probably explains.... (2)

Jaysyn (203771) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232495)

... why Cox is buying up all the small CATV systems in Kansas that it can.

Oh realy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232503)

Just now 1GBs? And for 70$.... http://www.skynet.lt/Internet/ - 40$ a month for quite some time already.

Re:Oh really? (1)

3.5 stripes (578410) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232677)

whoa...

Re:Oh realy? (1)

UglyTool (768385) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233037)

Yes, because Lithuania is exactly the same as the USA. Both in size and population there is an amazing similarity.

Comcast is half but I'll pay double anyways! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232633)

I'm tired of comcast and their BS. There is no purpose to be with them anymore. They monitor, throttle, and even limit the things you can do. Watching a video will be throttled differently than loading a webpage and torrents just about guarantees a letter in the mail telling you to stop it unless you use a virtual machine or something. They are too much of a headache to deal with and I'm glad to see Google is competing because AT&T isn't going to cut it but on some days I wonder...

wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232661)

stupidity officially arriving to Internet...welcome kansas

Meanwhile in Indiana... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43232709)

I pay more than $70/mo for Comcast's "20 mbps", 6 strikes, and ALL of their competitor's websites (COX/Charter/Brighthouse) simply redirect to Comcast's order page with a message that says "Sorry, we don't service your area Comcast does". There are no reasonable alternatives. Yeah Capitalism!?!?

Re:Meanwhile in Indiana... (1)

tmosley (996283) | about a year and a half ago | (#43234773)

What you have described is fascism, not capitalism. Knowing the difference could save your life one day.

"I forbid thee," said the dictator. (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year and a half ago | (#43232769)

> the FCC wants to see at least one community in each state with 1 Gigabit home service by 2015.

Aren't these the same helpers who spent a decade forbidding fiber to the house "to help us"?

This is perfectly doable (1)

xiando (770382) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233343)

I see some comments above saying Google can't possible do this and make a profit. I live in a rural area of Sweden and we got fiber to this small area years ago. And yes, we can have 1 GB/s if we pay for it, but it's quite expensive so most people go with 10/100mbit or 100/100mbit. Sure, you won't get 100mbit when downloading from China but you do mostly get it when downloading from Europe (and that means that most torrents download at full speed). 1 GB/s isn't "magic" or "impossible", it's just seems like magic because the US is years behind places like Sweden, Japan, Korea, etc. Locally 10/100 costs $52/month, 100/100 cost $62/month. 1GB/s costs $156/month. Google offers 1 GB/s for about half the price of what it costs here, so they are doing good, but still: I'm not that impressed.

What's the catch? (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233773)

Admittedly as someone who has not really followed the google fiber thing, what is the catch? Does google get to monitor all of your traffic and pop up ads on your PC or sell that information to advertisers? Do you have to accept their CA so they can also monitor all of your SSL traffic? Do they port-block, or block VPN?

Enough about bandwidth, what about latency? (1)

GGardner (97375) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233825)

Bandwidth is nice and all, but for many uses latency matters more -- any numbers on what that will look like?

Low hanging fruit. (2)

westlake (615356) | about a year and a half ago | (#43233831)

"If you are one of the lucky 125,000 people who live in Olathe, Kansas, the rest of us congratulate you on your new amazing $70.00/month, 1 GB Google fiber service.

They can afford it.

The median income for a household was $61,111, and the median income for a family was $68,498 (these figures had risen to $72,634 and $82,747 respectively as of a 2007 estimate. Males had a median income of $45,699 versus $30,217 for females. The per capita income for the city was $24,498. About 2.4% of families and 4.1% of the population were below the poverty line, including 4.1% of those under age 18 and 4.1% of those age 65 or over.

The median age in the city was 32.9 years. 30% of residents were under the age of 18; 7.5% were between the ages of 18 and 24; 32.1% were from 25 to 44; 23.1% were from 45 to 64; and 7.2% were 65 years of age or older. The gender makeup of the city was 49.5% male and 50.5% female.[2010 Census Data]

Olathe, Kansas [wikipedia.org]

The 2012 Median Income of US households was $45,018 per annum.

Household income in the United States [wikipedia.org]

Olathe is 20 miles southwest of Kansas City.

In Kansas City, Google offers three tiers of service. The baseline fiber installation fee is $300, or $25 per month for 12 months. After paying that amount, Kansas City residents are guaranteed seven years of free broadband Internet service at current national âoeaverageâ speeds. The second tier costs $70 per month for the super-fast Internet service, and the top tier, which includes Google's TV service, costs $120 per month. The $300 installation fee is waived for the top two tiers.

Google Fiber Expanding Superfast Internet Service to Olathe, Kansas [time.com]

Re:Low hanging fruit. (1)

mjr167 (2477430) | about a year and a half ago | (#43236053)

I hope Google comes to my town. I would happily ditch comcast for them...

Meanwhile, in South Carolina (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233901)

Our county's broadband initiative to roll out fiber to all residents was thwarted by GOP corporatists like Nikki Haley who gave a legal monopoly on fiber access to AT&T - to prevent the county rolling out its own fiber network - even after the Federal Government paid for it and even though the county is legally obligated to hook everyone up as part of that Federal contract.

State's Rights! GO REPUBLICANS! WOOOOOHOOOO! God forbid rural poor people get inexpensive, reliable Internet access! YEE-HAW!

Insult not Narinder Singh Kapany (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43233967)

All that has to happen is some bigot in Kansas to type in a chat room "There was a Sardar"...and down goes the network.

I live in olathe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43234815)

and i don't care

Oh, the humanity! (1)

Iniamyen (2440798) | about a year and a half ago | (#43234993)

Please please please get it right:

1 GB = 1 Gigabyte, a measure of data
1 Gb/s = 1 Gigabit per second, a measure of data rate
1 MB = 1 Megabyte, a measure of data
1 mB = 1 millibyte, a measure of data that doesn't exist


This isn't grammar, it actually changes the meaning of your useless, ranting post. Get it right!

Re:Oh, the humanity! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43236419)

Thankfully, some of us are not too autistic to get hung up on that.

I live in Olathe (1)

barjam (37372) | about a year and a half ago | (#43235177)

I live in Olathe and we have had fiber to the curb for a few years. I had 25 up/down for a while and downgraded it to 10/10 to save cost. I didn't notice a huge difference other than large files. Of course the difference between 25 and 10 is pretty small maybe with gb I would find new ways to use the internet that I had not considered before.

1 gigabit great, $70 per month, not great (1)

Control-Z (321144) | about a year and a half ago | (#43236155)

Isn't the high cost the reason so many people hate Comcast, Time Warner, etc? $70 is a lot for Internet, for a business it would be fine but for home use that's way expensive.

Dollars spent for the first bit are the best spent (1)

hottoh (540941) | about a year and a half ago | (#43236417)

Meh. Twenty Eight dollars a month for 6Mb/s DSL is good enough for me. I'd go faster but for not much more money. Point is a connection is valuable, but very high bit rates will not make the experience that much better.

I literally have fiber in my back yard. Thank you SureWest.
Can choose Comcast. Piss on you Comcast.
ATT uverse or DSL. Thank you for the good $/bit ratio.
GOOG fiber is coming soon. Hype and price, no thanks. Though the 300 dollar for 5mb/s service offer is tempting.

You are parched, how much for a glass of water in the desert? The second, the third. The ninety-ninth? Once satiated the price you are willing to pay decreases to the point more glasses of water have no real value to you. In this case the 1gb/s 'glass' costs a lot more than the 6mb/s one that satisfy the need.
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