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Internet Sales Tax Vote This Week In US Senate

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the what-the-market-will-bear dept.

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SonicSpike excerpts from CNet's coverage of the latest in the seemingly inevitable path toward consistently applied Internet sales taxes for U.S citizens: "Internet tax supporters are hoping that a vote in the U.S. Senate as early as today will finally give them enough political leverage to require Americans to pay sales taxes when shopping online. Sens. Mike Enzi (R-Wy.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) are expected to offer an amendment to a Democratic budget resolution this week that, by allowing states to 'collect taxes on remote sales,' is intended to usher in the first national Internet sales tax." There goes one of the best ways to vote with your dollars.

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I intend to block the sales tax using a HOST file (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237473)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com]. Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40947927 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040425&cid=40946755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40942439 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40942207 [slashdot.org]
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038601&cid=40942085 [slashdot.org]
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That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Re:I intend to block the sales tax using a HOST fi (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237531)

Can I be in your quote list?

NOOOOOOO (5, Funny)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237475)

OH wait amazon already charges me taxes.. So who cares?

Re:NOOOOOOO (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237555)

If it can be taxed, it will be taxed. That's just how humans do things.

Unless they are rich, of course, in which case they have a large list of ways to avoid paying taxes.

Re:NOOOOOOO (5, Insightful)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237731)

I'm cool with the tax. Itthe current system puts brick and mortar at an enormous disadvantage, especially with commodities such as TVs with really thin margins. It used to be that sales tax balanced with shipping costs, but amazon effectively solved thee shipping cost problem. It's time to play on level playing field!

Re:NOOOOOOO (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237927)

Right, because that's what capitalism and free-market economics is all about - leveling the playing field by force.

Sheesh.

To be fair... (5, Insightful)

Junta (36770) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238001)

The 'no sales tax' scenario is generally enticement to commit tax fraud.

Usually, a 'no sales tax' purchase has an obligation to pay a 'use tax' equal to the amount the sales tax would have been. People saving money due to sales tax are almost always committing tax fraud.

So this isn't levelling by force, it's correcting a 'loophole'. In my mind, abolish use tax, if you *must* enact sales tax to do that, oh well, it's easier than sales tax to keep track of.

Re:NOOOOOOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237913)

rich ... have a large list of ways to avoid paying taxes.

Like 401K, IRAs and retirement saver’s credit, un-taxed healthcare income, home mortgage and student loan interest deductions, child tax credits, deductible childcare, deductible medical expenses...

50% of all US income earners pay not one thin dime to the US treasury. They put in for FICA for their personal bennies and that's it.

When the creditors finally come [bbc.co.uk] for the trillions in un-taxed savings people have been socking away for decades I'll have no more sympathy for them then you have for the "rich."

Re:NOOOOOOO (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237585)

Mostly brick and mortar retailers and retailers that have a presence in most states. They've been at a competitive disadvantage to online retailers that don't collect the sales tax. Around here sales tax is 9% and that's rather significant when you realize that in many cases that's more than the cost of shipping.

I'm not even sure how I would go about paying the sales tax on those purchases as my home state doesn't have an income tax so we don't fill out any state tax forms where one might normally declare the sum. What's more it's unduly burdensome on the consumer to have to keep track of such sales for the state. Especially given that the states don't generally have jurisdiction to compel retailers in other states to show their sales figures and addresses.

Re:NOOOOOOO (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237681)

This tax would be collected from the retailer, just like a normal sales tax, not from the end purchaser. Technically, at least a few states already require you to pay a "usage" tax on things bought online or over the phone (from out-of-state), but that requires the purchaser to pay the tax, not the seller, so it ends up not being paid. Thats why the states want to go after the retailers: because then it becomes much easier for the state to enforce the taxes, which they currently cannot.

Re:NOOOOOOO (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237867)

You missed the point, there is no tax form for that in this state that I know of, and without really digging for it and keeping records it would be impossible to pay. The burden very quickly adds up to being more than the taxes that I would be on the hook for.

Yeah, legally we're supposed to, but the burden is far lower if the retailer just collects the tax and remits it to the state, AFAIK, they're permitted to keep a small portion to help cover the cost of collection.

Re:NOOOOOOO (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237907)

Not me yet, so how about stfu?

I'll guess you'll just have to vote by voting (0)

cait56 (677299) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237481)

But since you were obviously motivated by the need to make a statement, rather than say just being a cheapskate, I assume that will not be a problem.

Anyone tell these idiots... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237503)

...this country was founded on a Tax Revolt?

As an observation, if you get it here, you don't get it elsewhere. It's give and take. But, for the Gooberment...it's all pretty much take, take take- unless they can buy your vote with a pittance of the take they're taking from you...

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237583)

Umm, wasn't it techncially a "representation" revolt? Taxes are needed to pay for the services that are provided. Taxation without political power in return is what was the cause of the revolt.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (3, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237699)

Umm, wasn't it techncially a "representation" revolt? Taxes are needed to pay for the services that are provided. Taxation without political power in return is what was the cause of the revolt.

Yep, exactly. Which makes it even more relevant to the present case, not less.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237767)

But aside form DC we all have reprint action in the senate. While we don't have control over individual issues, we can vote out the bastards if we don't like them.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237947)

But aside form DC we all have reprint action in the senate. While we don't have control over individual issues, we can vote out the bastards if we don't like them.

... every 2-4 years... only to replace them with other bastards from a remarkably small pool.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

SighKoPath (956085) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238055)

It's every 6 years for each senator, with a subset of them up for re-election every 2 years.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238029)

It doesn't make it relevant at all. The proposed law will just make it easier for States to collect their already existing sales taxes for online purchases. If you don't like the sales tax in your State you're free to move to one with a lower tax or to vote for State representatives/senators who will change it.

The knee jerk reactions here are amusing sometimes.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237709)

Technically yes – but the rabble rousing was anti-tax.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237601)

They know. They also know that the armchair soldiers-of-fortune like yourself are all bluster and no action.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (4, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237735)

If you'll check a history book, you'll find the rallying cry was not "No Taxation" but rather "No Taxation Without Representation". Huge difference.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (5, Informative)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237799)

If you'll check a history book, you'll find the rallying cry was not "No Taxation" but rather "No Taxation Without Representation". Huge difference.

"Taxation without Representation is Tyranny" was the cry. Freedom, not freeloading.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237817)

If you'll check a history book, you'll find the rallying cry was not "No Taxation" but rather "No Taxation Without Representation". Huge difference.

Yes, taxation without representation was cheaper.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237943)

"If you'll check a history book, you'll find the rallying cry was not "No Taxation" but rather "No Taxation Without Representation". Huge difference."

This is essentially what we have ended up with "Taxation Without Representation". Once the freeloaders exceed 50% of the vote (which might have already occurred) they will simply use the power of the government (powers that were NOT initially granted by the constitution) to steal from the rest of the productive population. That will lead to an inevitable conclusion that neither side will like. Watch Europe collapse over the next 5-10 years and wake up.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237967)

"If you'll check a history book, you'll find the rallying cry was not "No Taxation" but rather "No Taxation Without Representation". Huge difference."

This is essentially what we have ended up with "Taxation Without Representation". Once the freeloaders exceed 50% of the vote (which might have already occurred) they will simply use the power of the government (powers that were NOT initially granted by the constitution) to steal from the rest of the productive population. That will lead to an inevitable conclusion that neither side will like. Watch Europe collapse over the next 5-10 years and wake up.

False equvalency, rationalization, and misinterpreting the constitution? Sounds like you must have a really compelling argument there!

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237995)

The library called, you really need to return that copy of Atlas Shrugged.

Re:Anyone tell these idiots... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237813)

bullshit, it wasn't a tax revolt, it was a representation revolt.

The quote isn't "No Taxation",

The quote is "No taxation, without representation".

Should be collected by the feds (4, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237511)

If the tax crosses state borders, then it should be collected by the Feds - or at least the rules should be national and consistent. Collect, say, 5% from everyone and then distribute it according to billing address. Making merchants deal with 50 different tax codes is onerous. I hope this bill is defeated.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

CoolCash (528004) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237575)

If they have an up to date database of all the sales tax codes its not a big deal. Merchants already do this with shipping. It should be even easier since they already have a sales tax field, they just need to compare a database of zip codes to the database.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

Todd Knarr (15451) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237637)

Won't work. Here in San Diego we have several ZIP codes where there are 2 sales tax rates within the ZIP code depending on the exact address. Parts of the ZIP code are within a city, subject to city sales tax, and parts are outside the city and city sales tax isn't due. To get the rate right you need to know not just the ZIP code but whether that particular address is inside or outside the city limits. And the state of California can't tell you which it is, the state doesn't know the exact city boundary. I doubt even the city could tell you without finding the address on a map.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237815)

I remember someone posting to slashdot years ago explaining you had to do it by recipient, not even house. They lived on an Indian reservation, and were not part of the tribe. So they paid higher sales tax than their neighbors who were members of the tribe.

Expecting anyone to collect sales tax based on shipping or billing address is foolish. What's going to end up happening if the Feds don't just set an easy to compute rate, is that there will be one or two new companies that will spring up to collect the sales tax and claim they do it right. They'll just bribe the states to look the other way when they screw up.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237949)

This would apply to state-level taxes only. Grotesquely innefficient local Peoples' Republics can suck it.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237985)

Same deal here in little ol' Topeka, Kansas - the 66614 zip code, for example, is split between city and county - the city tacks on something like 1.5% extra to the sales tax.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237643)

Multiply the cost of that database and the time used to hook your systems into it and the cost of submitting all those taxes by the number of businesses shipping goods and you have a pretty big number, I suspect. The alternative is you could have a single simple rule for everyone that captures 90% of the problem.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237659)

You mean like an API that's handled at the federal level? That's the only way the collection side might work. But remitting the actual sales taxes will still be terrible. - especially sending tax payments of $0.43 to some random municipality that charges city sales tax (if that's included in the bill).

Re:Should be collected by the feds (4, Interesting)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237667)

You mean an up t odate database all the states and all of the municipalities within those states that collect sales tax...and don't forget that you need a map that tells you which taxing municipality every address in every state is in. Admittedly you do not currently need to know that for the states that do not charge sales tax at any level. Oh yeah, you also need to know what items sales tax applies to in every sales tax charging municipality in the country and don't forget those special tax holidays that many of them pass each year that only apply to certain types of items out of those they otherwise charge sales tax on.

And, sorry, but a database of zip codes does NOT match up to the boundaries of taxing jurisdictions.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

CoolCash (528004) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237789)

What I should have said. How does Dell, Apple, Amazon do this? They already have a nationwide database of sales tax rates based on location. There are services already setup to do this.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

Looker_Device (2857489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237593)

Making merchants deal with 50 different tax codes is onerous.

I dare say that's exactly the point. Why do you think brick-and-mortars are so happy about it?

Re:Should be collected by the feds (2)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237863)

Making merchants deal with 50 different tax codes is onerous.

I dare say that's exactly the point. Why do you think brick-and-mortars are so happy about it?

Fifty codes is nothing. I can keep 50 codes taped to the side of my server. It's all those city/county/Enterprise Zone/speciality business/foo-nonfood/tax holiday/special assessment rules that's onerous.

Give me 50 codes, and I'm happy.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237595)

So I get a 12% sales tax due to State and Federal taxes, or does 5% go to the Fed and 2% my state under this plan?

Re:Should be collected by the feds (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237777)

Under the existing bill, the states can all come after you individually. It might be 12%, it might be 2% - depends on where your customer lives. I'm proposing to either leave it the hell alone, or implement a single blanket rate that applies to all customers, who would then be immune from any local use taxes on that item.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237965)

I'm proposing to either leave it the hell alone, or implement a single blanket rate that applies to all customers, who would then be immune from any local use taxes on that item.

Hm, sound suggestions... which is why they'll never even be considered.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237615)

The problem with that is that around here the sales tax is 9.5%, which would mean that the city and or state would be losing revenue that they're entitled to collect. Considering the state of the nation, it's not that burdensome, what would likely happen is they would just contract out the work of tracking such changes to a contractor.

It's not just 50 states, it's all the municipalities that are entitled to collect sales tax in various states. In Seattle that's about 3% on top of the state sales tax of 6.5%, which means that one or both entities would be shorted under that proposal.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237861)

The problem with that is that around here the sales tax is 9.5%, which would mean that the city and or state would be losing revenue that they're entitled to collect.

Right now they are getting 0%. Something tells me they won't complain that loudly. I'd argue that since the business has no local presence, it is not using any state services and should not be paying full tax anyway.

It's not just 50 states, it's all the municipalities that are entitled to collect sales tax in various states.

That would bring the total up to 10,000 different tax codes, then. I think my point is even stronger in that case.

Don't get too hung up on "5%". I just pulled that number out of my ass.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237951)

What you're talking about is a pretty substantial violation of states' rights. The Supreme Court has already ruled that states can assess these taxes, just that the method of collection can't be unduly burdensome, and that ruling is 20 years old and done prior to the point when it was trivial to set up a database for all the retailers to reference.

And yes, they will complain loudly about it. My home state has no income tax, and OR has no sales tax. So, OR would see no difference at all from this, but my home state would have to give up revenue for which it is entitled. Doesn't seem like anything other than a Federal overreach of authority.

The only reason why the tax isn't presently being assessed is that the Federal Government has failed to provide the states with the backing to collect the taxes. So, asking the states to settle for anything less than the full sum they're asking for is unacceptable. The people of various states have elected officials and passed votes that have set the tax rates where they are, expecting them to give up some of their revenues over this is absurd.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237655)

>> Making merchants deal with 50 different tax codes is
onerous.

It would be a shame if our tax code were to become overly complex and onerous.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237691)

If the tax crosses state borders, then it should be collected by the Feds

Why insert more ham-fisted bureaucracy when it isn't necessary? Vendors can issue tax payments directly to the states, instead of having vendors collect taxes, send it to the Feds, and then have them send it to the states? I'm not in favor of an internet sales tax, but if it's going to happen, I'd rather not have the feds involved at all, as that will just turn into another cash-grab opportunity when they decide we need a national sales tax.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237915)

Why insert more ham-fisted bureaucracy when it isn't necessary?

How is suggesting interacting with a single bureaucracy worse than dealing with 50?

Vendors can issue tax payments directly to the states, instead of having vendors collect taxes, send it to the Feds, and then have them send it to the states?

I could get on board with that. I still want a single rate that applies to everyone. I, personally, would hate to write 50 checks and do 50 sets of paperwork every year, but I'm sure Intuit will get right on it.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237751)

If the tax crosses state borders, then it should be collected by the Feds - or at least the rules should be national and consistent. Collect, say, 5% from everyone and then distribute it according to billing address. Making merchants deal with 50 different tax codes is onerous. I hope this bill is defeated.

It's not 50, it's closer to 10,000 (according to TFA). Different counties can have different tax rates (even a zip code doesn't guarantee a single tax rate).

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237779)

...it should be collected by the Feds...

Exactly. If they want the money, they should have to do all the paperwork.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237889)

Do it! I don't want to have to make a mental note to remember every item I've purchased over the past year without sales tax, and then report when I do my taxes. Or better yet, maybe set up some sort of layer that recognizes your location, by geo-IP, default address, etc., and charges to sales tax if your state requires it... Welcome to the world of tomorrow!!

Re:Should be collected by the feds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237975)

If the tax crosses state borders, then it should be collected by the Feds - or at least the rules should be national and consistent. Collect, say, 5% from everyone and then distribute it according to billing address. Making merchants deal with 50 different tax codes is onerous. I hope this bill is defeated.

You think this sounds absurd? Wait till the treaties start since they will want those "foreigners" shopping in their "states" to pay taxes as well right? It will of course work in the opposite direction as well right? Gee, seem to recall something about phone numbers being set up to where you are actually calling a number not in the US and getting charged ridiculous prices on it and the placer of the ad in your local paper/circular getting a part of the price of the call? Or at least used to see warnings in them about dialling certain area codes etc. Search for something online to buy, find very cheap quoted prices, *click*,,,WTF? Oh but you can object to your CC company right? Ahh, but can you get it removed when by treaty it becomes a matter of State?

IANAL and a bit of a nut case, after all I believe doing business online is a bad idea to start with being as there is not not and never has been such a thing as a secure server and they are certainly not when the government is also moving towards getting everyone's financial information. The total amount of money and goods being taken through identity theft, other fraudulent access of bank accounts etc online is under-reported and therefore unknown. Your credit cards and customer cards information already indicates you have purchased bomb making materials of assorted types, even if you using them to fuel your truck, do your laundry and fertilize your garden, you purchased them and they are stored on your property so they can label you as a terrorist and report that you have bomb making materials purchased when they raid your home. See, I told you I was a bit of a nut case,,, later, sounds like someone is at my door.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (2)

dywolf (2673597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238009)

These are state and local taxes, not federal. The biggest reason this has gone so long is by which party do you determine the tax to apply?

IE, the legal question is in what location is the sale considered to have occured when between two parties in two physically seperate locations?

The simplest solution is to have it based on the sellers location, since they are also the one responsible for collecting applicable taxes. then they only have to apply their local applicable taxes , rather than keep tabs on everyones tax codes. but vendors have resisted that too because it means a higher price compared to someone selling out of a locale without sales taxes. normally that sort of competitionsorts itself out because to get to that other locale requires travel or postage. the internet removes those barriers, and creates a distinct business advantage (another reason for relatively lax internet sales tax standards).

so: collect taxes for sales based on vendors location. simple, ease, and just like sales they make in store. probably happen that way as its simple and logical
but, as a result of the advtange this gives to certain locales, expect bigger companies to move around or get tax codes changed as a result.

and as you state, the solution to that is a federal collected sales tax. but i just dont think that that will fly or go go very far. or be implemented well, or distributed properly.

Re:Should be collected by the feds (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238045)

Last I heard it was about 6700 tax codes, after figuring in all the state, county, and local taxes and various classes of specially-tariffed items.

But the heaviest burden would be on merchants in States that have no sales taxes. They'd be suddenly required to collect sales taxes for other States, which they're not equipped to do, all because those other States don't feel like enforcing their own tax codes.

That's not how a Republic of Republics works.

Solution (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237513)

I guess we will just have to torrent everything then. Does anyone know how to torrent shoes? I would if I could.

Typical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237519)

Congress can't seem to balance the budget but they sure can spend time figuring out how to collect taxes more easily.

Re:Typical (1, Flamebait)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237565)

I'm given to understand taxes are of no value to balancing budgets.

Re:Typical (2)

Motard (1553251) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237621)

Well, first you'd need a budget.

Re:Typical (1)

SillyHamster (538384) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237649)

I'm given to understand taxes are of no value to balancing budgets.

State sales taxes are of no value to balancing federal budgets.

Actually, the increase in state sales tax will probably result in less federal income taxes collected, because they can be claimed as a federal income tax deduction.

Re:Typical (1)

DaHat (247651) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237929)

State sales taxes are of no value to balancing federal budgets.

When the states are hurting because of their own misguided decisions... they often go to the feds looking for a bailout (either in name or in practice).

Whenever you hear the president talk about how billions and billions of cops, teachers, etc will be laid off if his bill doesn't pass... it is because the feds are subsidizing many a state.

Ergo, if states were more responsible in their own financial matters (and we didn't have an overbearing federal government)... then there would actually be an impact to the federal budget.

Re:Typical (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237803)

They haven't done the obvious. Cancel federal income tax and replace it with a sales tax. It'd be a whole lot easier to handle businesses than it would be individuals.

In 2009, there were just under 6,000,000 active businesses.
In 2009, there were 140,494,127 individual tax returns filed.

The IRS employs about 93,000 employees and is expected to hire 16,500 more.

By eliminating the individual filing requirement, you'd eliminate almost 96% of the returns.
IRS agents have an average salary near $75,000 [glassdoor.com] .

Let's say you applied 4 times the labor to each business return.
Then only about 18,000 staff are required to handle the load.

91,500 jobs would be cut for an annual savings of $6.8 billion.

Taxes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237527)

Taxes... Is there anything they can't solve? We obviously need MORE of them!

Meaningless vote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237571)

It's an amendment to a concurrent resolution. IF the amendment were adopted and IF the concurrent resolution were adopted by the Senate and IF the House adopted the concurrent resolution (which is very unlikely), then it would not have the force of law because, after all, it's just a resolution.

Getting the rates (4, Insightful)

Todd Knarr (15451) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237577)

I'd be OK with sales tax on on-line sales, on one condition: states be required to provide a standard way for merchants, at no cost to the merchant, to ask what the sales tax rate for a given address should be, with the answer being the legally binding rate (if the merchant charges the rate given in that answer then the merchant cannot be held liable if that rate turns out to be wrong, and if the service failed to answer for any reason then the merchant can't be held liable for failing to charge sales tax).

Re:Getting the rates (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237717)

That makes collection easy. But say you have to collect city sales tax. Only one customer bought anything from you from Midnwhere, AR. You have to spend $0.46 to pay 2% collected city sales tax amounting to $0.36 to that town. That's just insane, and illustrates the true problem.

Re:Getting the rates (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237741)

$0.46 is the price of a postage stamp. I meant to say that.

Re:Getting the rates (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237757)

Presumably you would just have one set "interstate" rate that counts as a Federal tax, and then the federal government could distribute it back to the states according to some kind of poorly-thought out ratio system or just spend it on earmarks or whatever.

Trying to actually figure out the correct rate for every state, county, city, borough, etc. etc, then collecting the taxes into a big pool and distributing them to said jurisdictions properly sounds like way too much work.

Re:Getting the rates (2)

N7DR (536428) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237921)

Yes, I find that more than half the time I am charged the tax rate for the city in which the post office that serves my address is located; which is about triple the tax rate that actually applies at my address. I put this down to the use of some database somewhere that uses 5-digit ZIP codes instead of 9-digit ones to determine the tax rate.

And the vast majority of the companies that overcharge me in this way simply ignore requests to fix the problem. I vote with my dollars, and tell them that I'm doing so, but none of these companies (i.e., the ones who don't immediately respond and correct the tax on the order) has ever cared enough to fix the problem even after my complaint.

I have to wonder if it's even legal for a company to charge me tax that I shouldn't be charged. What do they do with the money? One assumes they send it to the city in question, but in any case the whole system seems remarkably free of any checks or chances to correct errors.

 

Re:Getting the rates (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238049)

charge sales tax based on the vendors location rather than the buyers.
then its just business like normal for the vendor.
downside is it means "your" tax dollars go to other locales instead of your own...but it does mean vastly simpler collection system, no database required (and no location verification needed)

That's great and all (1)

H3lldr0p (40304) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237579)

but I hardly think that an amendment to a provisioning bill passes sufficient legal muster for it be enforced. First of all, I am already required to pay local and state sales taxes for entities operating out of my state. So no change there.

But for extra-state sales, this will have to survive a 10th Amendment challenge and well settled legal precedence dating back to the 18th century. Not saying that it can't but a short blurb in a different, unrelated law doesn't seem sufficient on its face.

For an "internet sales" (whatever that means) tax to work, it would have to be established as something the feds collected and redistributed. The legal authority is already there in the 16th amendment, and it could easily function as interstate funding for roads and schools do currently.

Likewise, if two states wanted to enter into a compact to collect and remit as some currently do with income taxes, then that could also work.

I guess this is just some more busywork for the congress-critters to say that they've been doing something rather than nothing.

Re:That's great and all (1)

DaHat (247651) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237727)

But for extra-state sales, this will have to survive a 10th Amendment challenge and well settled legal precedence dating back to the 18th century

Not really... many states have forms of 'use tax'es which kick in when you purchase something out of state and then bringing it into state... and depending on how much tax you paid out of state.

Here in Washington (state for instance)... if one take a drive down to Oregon and purchase a couple thousand dollars worth of electronics sales tax free (because OR has no sales tax)... upon bringing these goods into WA they am required to pay a use tax (more or less the same amount as the WA sales tax) on the goods.

Granted this is what a person is legally required to do... I'd be curious to know how often it happens as I know plenty who go to Portland just to spend a few hundred (or thousand) dollars to avoid the 9.5% sales tax round these parts.

This technically also applies to online sales... regardless of where the seller is located (or has a presence)... but again... not that many go by the law.

Re:That's great and all (1)

H3lldr0p (40304) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237991)

Not really... many states have forms of 'use tax'es which kick in when you purchase something out of state and then bringing it into state... and depending on how much tax you paid out of state.

Which is what I was saying. It's a well defined legal area that's been administrated by the states for a very long time now. For the Feds to step in with a new law, they'd have to show (to whatever court this gets taken to) some sort of legal authority over it where none existed before both as in the US Constitution as through well settled and aged legal precedence.

It's not as easy as saying "Interstate Commerce lets us" as it's never before been defined as such. Doesn't mean that it won't get upheld on that ground, but it will have to be shown that such legal ground exists within the framework of the current laws.

Re:That's great and all (0)

nschubach (922175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237759)

For an "internet sales" (whatever that means) tax

So, what if I buy something from France and have it shipped to Ohio. Can Ohio force a French retailer to pay a percentage of the sale as tax? What about vice-versa? If they can't enforce this across national borders, all it's going to do is encourage business internationally. You can pretty much ship anything UPS to every corner of the globe.

Vote with your dollars? (1)

steelfood (895457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237597)

There goes one of the best ways to vote with your dollars.

I can still make political campaign donations to my heart's content. That's what you mean by "vote with your dollars", right? Right?

Apply sales tax at the credit card level (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237623)

Seems like it would be a lot simpler for everyone to implement a tax at the credit card level. It would work for all retailers and eliminate a lot of sales tax withholdings at various companies.

I honestly think... (3, Insightful)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237639)

That we really need to close this loop hole. I'm not in favor of raising taxes or anything, but by making this law, we'd be going back to a revenue model that we know. The ripple effect would be we wouldn't get tax hikes in other places I'd imagine.

And the government does need the money... it would be nice to see them get it internally, but that's idealism. We need pot holes fixed, bridges replaced, and maybe we could throw money at some of the issues we're behind the rest of the world on.

Another ripple would be brick and mortar stores would regain some traction against online retailers, the argument used to be that shipping > tax, but that's dramatically changed over the last decade with free shipping being pretty easy to get as online firms compete against each other.

The downside is of course less money for the savvy consumer, but history has taught us loop holes never end well, so I think the benefits outweigh the downside.

Re:I honestly think... (1)

a_big_favor (2550262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237711)

All good stuff. Im okay with money out of my pocket if the process isn't bungled. Like most, I'm afraid the states will bungle it.

Re:I honestly think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237739)

And the government does need the money

That word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:I honestly think... (2)

Dan667 (564390) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237977)

brick and mortar stores are pushing for the internet tax, but no one is going back to them that buys online. I can click a few buttons and they bring it right to my house or go deal with clueless sales people and bad service. No contest.

That makes a bit of sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237713)

No one LIKES to pay taxes, but everyone likes paved roads and healthcare. (Canadian here, btw, also too lazy to log into account). I see no real harm in a minimalist approach to some sales tax on orders placed out of province/state that wouldn't be taxed otherwise. In Canada, we pay sales tax on just about everything ordered online, unless out of country of course.

The complications of the matter are a bit different, yes. Hopefully you would just have one place to send it, but with how over complicated and redundant 90% of your laws are already I would find it unlikely you can make even this...intelligent? tax system worth while.

Good luck with it though.

Bullshit. Many States don't even have Sales Tax (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237725)

This is a State decision, not a Federal one.

will drive online shopping overseas (1)

avandesande (143899) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237737)

You may have to wait a little longer, but people will start buying from Canada or other places without taxes.

Re:will drive online shopping overseas (1)

Subject-17 (2790647) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237819)

Eh, only for high priced, small sized goods. International shipping is friggin expensive, even if you're getting it from Canada.

Re:will drive online shopping overseas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43238031)

If an American and foreign merchant cooperate, the foreign merchant could do the billing, and the American one ship the goods. Sayonara, sales tax.

Re:will drive online shopping overseas (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237979)

You may have to wait a little longer, but people will start buying from Canada or other places without taxes.

I really doubt that. Based on what I see on other forums, most US consumers refuse to buy almost anything if they have to buy it online. I see people all the time who shlep down to their local brick and mortar store to pay more money, spend more time and get a worse quality product than something they could buy cheaper and of higher quality online. Ever been the grocery store or Wal-Mart and noticed how many people refuse to use the self-checkout line? I rest my case.

It's kind of insidious as well.. (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237745)

As it will cover all Ebay sales and Craigslist sales.

They want to charge you tax on even items you are not making money off of. Next up, Evil Garage sales and Flea Markets, how can we tax this scourge to the economy?

Gunna werk goot (1)

wulfmans (794904) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237805)

Hows this going to work out in Oregon where they do not have sales taxes ? they going to make all the internet retailers collect taxes for the other 49 states? LOL going to work out just fine.

Too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237809)

Given that companies and states have already settled into thinking "The internet doesn't have state sales tax unless it happens to be an intra-state sale," I can quickly see a few business-hungry states amending their tax codes to exempt interstate sales. Based on the way I read this, this would allow companies to continue distributing the same as they always have (no sales tax unless you live next door to us), and if few enough states implement it, it could be a serious economic turning point as businesses flee to those states.

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported (4, Insightful)

scorp1us (235526) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237843)

"No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State." - Article 1, US Constitution.

It seems to me, that any such legislation would be a tax being exported from one state to another. I don't believe a distinction can be made from those being exported and those being imported, since it is only matter of perspective. A tax on imports to a state is a tax on the same article being exported from another. There is no limit to the prohibition. It could also read: "All taxes and duties are prohibited on all articles being exported from any State."

Our Gov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43238047)

Changing the constitution on-the-fly.

Such a dynamic document!

Actually a Constituitonal tax all of a sudden (-1, Troll)

roman_mir (125474) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237873)

If it is passed and it meets the criteria of being uniform, then it is a Constitutional tax, I cannot say anything about it.

I can say that income tax is unconstitutional and it is collected unconstitutionally [slashdot.org] . The 16th amendment didn't specify actually what that tax was, and so it took SCOTUS to do it and SCOTUS specified that the only way that tax was legal if it was indirect (because it is not apportioned) and to make an income tax indirect, the person must be disconnected from the source of income, and this is only possible via a corporate balance sheet, so in reality what the IRS claims is an 'income' tax can only legally exist as a profit tax and individuals don't have profits (otherwise you should be able to have revenues and expenses and be able to deduct things like amortisation of your education and training, depreciation of your own body, etc.) There are many arguments explaining that there is no such thing as a law that forces a person to pay a mandatory income tax, you can read my comment about it that I linked to.

However a federally mandated sales tax is legal as long as it is uniform and can be collected in a uniform manner (so there is no discrimination against any people when the tax is collected, there should be a clear standard that would apply across all state borders, etc., as to how this is collected.)

So of-course by having BOTH the federal income tax and the federal sales tax, you are getting squeezed on all ends, it's obscene. Same thing is true of other countries of-course, but in USA the law is much more precise about things that the government cannot do (supposedly) but it does them anyway. Medicare and Payroll taxes for example are illegal for the same reasons that the income tax is illegal. By the way, payroll tax was only deemed Constitutional on a definition that it is not in fact tied to any benefit, because it's illegal to tax one person for a direct benefit of another, so this is one more way to understand, for those who don't, that they are not accruing any benefits in SS regardless of how much they contribute to it (SCOTUS: Flemming v. Nestor (1960), no one has an accrued property right to benefits from Social Security).

If this tax goes through you really should start thinking about all the ways that you are getting screwed, some are legal and some are not. The most insidious tax that any average means person pays on daily basis is the tax created by the Federal reserve - inflation. Every time something goes up in price rather than going down because of natural increase in efficiency and productivity in the market, you should thank your federal reserve printing those dollars (and Bernanke is quite explicit that he will keep printing money and just pouring it into the economy in every way, from government Treasury purchases to mortgages purchases to bank stimulus, whatever.

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Stop patting yourself on the back (0)

fascismforthepeople (2805977) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238053)

If it is passed and it meets the criteria of being uniform, then it is a Constitutional tax, I cannot say anything about it.

Your religious leader will give you something to say about it afterwards, and you will go back on your word once his word comes down. Unless, of course, he shows you an easy way for people of high incomes to avoid it altogether - in which case you will claim it was an idea stolen from his notes.

You seem to be quite proud of yourself this week, we see you recently managed to get both the karma of your main account as well as that of one of your sock puppets [slashdot.org] from shit to positive, allowing you to post nearly as fast as you can type. How many other sock puppets are you working here? Did one of them manage to get mod points to get the ball rolling for you? We can plainly see you have already allowed this to get to your head; you may have posted a couple of legitimate comments to get your karma back up but now you're right back to religious rhetoric.

Of course, to you the religion is the truth, the only truth. You will do everything you can to push your church's agenda, in spite of the fact that it would hurt you just as badly as anyone else. You proudly drink the kool-aid and hope that you will - in spite of all reason - be spared the effects of the agenda. You seek to oppress the rights and opportunities of those who are in the bottom 99% of all wage earners; you have an agenda that supports fascism. You claim to want liberty, but you really want fascism for the people.

save us rand paul! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237883)

this will affect the average american WAY more than drones ever will

Usher in tracking bots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237937)

Another issue is the ushering in of tracking bots at the ISP level. In order for them to be able to tell if you bought something, they will have your ISP track your every move (or click) to see if your are buying something or not. Either that or they insist that everyone selling anything on the internet record everything and provide records (from worldwide locations too, which they don't have jurisdiction over), or they insist that people volunteer information about what you bought at www.1-900-hot.girlz.com. Clearly having a sales tax would raise more questions than answers. I personally don't think it's a good idea. I thought Americans didn't like taxes (or at least revolted against them more than other nationalities).

I already pay online taxes (0)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#43237955)

I live in Washington state, so almost everything I buy online gets taxed if I send it here. Services I guess not as much.

So would I have to pay more taxes? Fuck off if that's the case. You need more money Federal Gov? Stop wasting it.

Why should the state I live in get the money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43237957)

I don't understand why the state that I live in should get any sales tax from an item purchased in another state.

If I walk across the state line and make the purchase, should the state I live in get the money? If so ... why? If not ... how is it different from purchasing online?

I honestly am not against sales tax, but I think the state in which the purchase is made is the one that should collect the tax. Keep the money where the business is located/operating rather than collecting it in a location that had nothing to do with the sale.

Craigslist too!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43238011)

Does that mean the IRS will aggregate all your sales of used and stolen stuff and tack it on to your tax bill??!!

no online sales tax is an individual tax break (2)

Dan667 (564390) | about a year and a half ago | (#43238019)

the government gives billions and billions in tax breaks to extremely rich companies that don't need it, but anytime their is some perceived tax breaks for families they go out of their way to squeeze the nickel out of those who are the least able to afford it.
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