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SendGrid Fires Employee After Firestorm Over Inappropriate Jokes

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the everyone-calm-down dept.

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tsamsoniw writes "Hoping to strike a blow against sexism in the tech industry , developer and tech evangelist Adria Richards took to Twitter to complain about two male developers swapping purportedly offensive jokes at PyCon. The decision has set into motion a chain of events that illustrate the impact a tweet or two can make in this age of social networking: One the developers and Richards have since lost their jobs, and even the chair of PyCon has been harassed for his minor role in the incident."

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1145 comments

More facetime (5, Insightful)

JoeCommodore (567479) | about a year ago | (#43240549)

I think we nerds need to get more facetime access to the rest of the world. All these "stranger danger" kids are now stranger danger adults.

Re:More facetime (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240575)

I think we nerds need to get more facetime access to the rest of the world. All these "stranger danger" kids are now stranger danger adults.

I'd say that apart from the PyCon organizers, who made the best out of a bad situation, everyone else in the story - Adria, her employers, Mr-Hank, and his employer - all made dick moves, but ... hang on, my boss wants to talk to me.

Re:More facetime (3, Insightful)

PhxBlue (562201) | about a year ago | (#43240609)

Mod parent up: Insightful, ironic and funny all at once.

Re:More facetime (4, Interesting)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43240647)

re: everyone else in the story - Adria, her employers, Mr-Hank, and his employer - all made dick moves,
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You are correct. Despite her gender, Adria was being a dick. I should have thought of that line for my comment below: Twitter-shaming. [slashdot.org]

Re:More facetime (4, Insightful)

Hardhead_7 (987030) | about a year ago | (#43240645)

Does anyone even know what the jokes were? A "dongle" joke could be anything from a lame hammy pun you might catch on a sitcom to outrageously misogynistic rape-humor. It's kind of hard to form a valid opinion of the whole thing without that bit of info.

Re:More facetime (3, Interesting)

djl4570 (801529) | about a year ago | (#43240761)

Anyone remember the tech advertisement "Lost the Dongle" that ran in just about every IT rag published back in the nineties. It featured a picture of a famous nude statue that was missing its "dongle".

Re:More facetime (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240813)

Depending on what line of ethics you like the most, if the intention was humor and not hurtful, it could be said that what the joke was didn't matter at all, no matter how offensive, its certainly stupid to say things that will be deemed offensive by nearly everybody, but the intention being humor and no pain intended would allow it to still be seen as ethically an ok thing to do. Even if its a stupid thing to say.

Either way, if this was a one time thing or it hadn't been brought to the attention of the joke makers, it is quite possibly a grossly disproportionate reaction.

Re:More facetime (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240881)

I suspect that was entirely intentional. Why say the banal truth when you can whip up great drama for your anti-sexism crusade.

Re:More facetime (3, Insightful)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#43240911)

Also, he wanted to fork a repo.

Which wasn't a joke at all.

But she still took offense to it.

Because she's a dick joke.

Re:More facetime (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240779)

Irony is that overracting and over sensitivities like that is the exact type of thing that make it difficult women in tech to begin with.

Re:More facetime (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about a year ago | (#43240927)

Yup, good to see everyone in this story acting like adults.

Developer Evangelist (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240551)

I am pretty sure being a developer evangelist doesn't involve you alienating more than half of developers with your tweeting.

Re:Developer Evangelist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240967)

Whiiiiich is why she got fired, Captain Obvious.

I was fired for advocating HOSTS file usage (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240555)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659 [slashdot.org]
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Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Silly humans. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240565)

This is what happens in a culture where anything is offensive. Even a silly dick joke will get the hypocritical opportunists to raise a stink, and then everyone loses their jobs, and the companies get to hire younger staff at cheaper wages while hiding behind policies to be "wholesome" and "unoffensive". It's a wonderful game until you're the one who accidentally sneezes something that sounds a little like "penis" and end up on the cutting room floor.

failure on all levels (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240569)

  • developers didn't deserve to be publicly outed for what was probably a misrepresentation of what was heard while eavesdropping.
  • richards didn't deserve the vitriol and the threats of violence (including sexual violence) made toward her
  • sendgrid should not have been ddos'ed. wtf.
  • the tech community loses on all levels

Really? (3, Insightful)

elysiuan (762931) | about a year ago | (#43240571)

Two men being immature at a conference and they lose their livelihood because someone quasi-famous tweeted about it? I'm sure many people would disagree but the tons of triumph in the reporting that they lost their jobs is very distasteful to me especially in this job market. I don't want to live in a society where everyone is so uptight that they don't say anything without 5 levels of mental filtering because other some random stranger can completely screw them over.

Re:Really? (-1, Troll)

sunderland56 (621843) | about a year ago | (#43240623)

Two employees, in public, on company time, wearing badges clearly identifying what company they work for, making totally inappropriate comments - they most certainly should be fired.

Firing Richards herself is the moronic thing. You don't fire the messenger. I have zero idea what SendGrid does - but "all publicity is good publicity" is a lie.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

Bremic (2703997) | about a year ago | (#43240715)

At conferences, most of the moronic, insulting, self-serving and offensive comments I hear are labeled "marketing". However I can't complain about them.

Re:Really? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240729)

They're comments were immature and out of place, sure, but they were hardly sexist nor misogynistic nor directed toward Adria Richards. She might as well have gotten angry about someone swearing or talking about farting.

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240749)

Have you ever attended a conference?

Causing a stink because you can, or because you want to feel like some sort of crusader is laughable.

I'd hate to see this persons reaction in the face of real adversity.

Firing individuals over bad jokes is almost as disgusting as the jokes.

This just sounds like a fantastic prelude to persecuting people for thought crimes.

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240755)

At least justice was served by the firing of Richards.

Re:Really? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240763)

only one comment was sexual in nature. the dongle one. the other one was about forking being a form of flattery [ycombinator.com] , which adria misconstrued as sexual. just as the dongle comment was inappropriate, it was equally inappropriate to post their picture to twitter w/o even confronting them.

Re:Really? (1)

tylikcat (1578365) | about a year ago | (#43240861)

If one takes what might well be a post-facto rationalization at face value.

I neither take it, nor dismiss it - I don't think we have enough information.

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

atriusofbricia (686672) | about a year ago | (#43240773)

Two employees, in public, on company time, wearing badges clearly identifying what company they work for, making totally inappropriate comments - they most certainly should be fired.

Firing Richards herself is the moronic thing. You don't fire the messenger. I have zero idea what SendGrid does - but "all publicity is good publicity" is a lie.

So random comments should get you fired because someone somewhere could possibly find them offensive? We don't even know what was really said. It likely, based on the odds, was probably fairly innocuous. Yet two people got fired and have had their lives severely damaged because someone else was slightly offended.

If certain groups are supposed to get special "don't offend" privileges then don't be shocked when other groups view that group as trouble and lawsuit magnets and don't want to associate with that group in any context where a single phrase or word could get them damaged.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

happylight (600739) | about a year ago | (#43240907)

Only one of the two were fired. The person who was offended was also fired.

But really if she had just said something to them quietly no one would have been fired. But she had to take it to crowds of people who weren't even there.

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

fish waffle (179067) | about a year ago | (#43240775)

There's no doubt the tech-industry could use a lot less pimply-teenage-boy-ism. But in this case, no: firing Richards is about on par. If you TFA you'll find she made jokes herself, on twitter (not even an overheard private conversation), about stuffing socks down pants in TSA pat-downs. That's pretty much exactly in the same stratum as the jokes she was complaining about---both childish and sex-related, neither sexist. If one is worth firing, then so is the other (although both firings are over-reactions, to put it mildly).

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240777)

They made the comments privately to each other in a conversation that just happened to be overheard.

YOU should be fired.

Re:Really? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240825)

From this recent posting [twitter.com] it seems that she, too, appreciates doing colorful comments.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240851)

Would you place post your company on slashdot for the record? I'd like to make sure I never apply there.

I'm serious...

If they were PR, or HR they probably should be fired. As developers in a primarly non-customer facing role, at worst --they committed an embarassing screwup.

At a civilized institution, they would be reprimanded -- and possibly fired if it was a repeated offense.

There's sensitivity training for that type of thing for a reason. Just because people know better doesn't mean they don't screw up or miscalculate their environment. This is why we move social norms gradually instead of cause cataclysm.

But I mean it -- if you stand behind your statement, post your company. You don't have to identify yourself as a representative, but I want nothing to do with any institution that supports such callous, barbaric policies.

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240887)

Firing your employees for sharing a tasteless joke among themselves isn't ground for firing them. Firing your employee for earning you a mountain of bad press over a personal crusade, however, most certainly IS grounds for termination.

PlayHaven are going to have a tough time hiring skilled workers, especially ones with families, if they're going to terminate their employment over something that EVERYONE is guilty of doing. They might as well expand their policy to disallow farting at public events.

I mean, my girlfriends and I have shared far worse jokes at conventions, and the guys never got their panties in a bunch and went on some borderline misandrist crusade over it. Why should only Adria get a free pass for essentially doing the wrong thing? Because she's a woman? That's horribly sexist to both genders.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#43240893)

No, no they shouldn't. They're not drones.. They're not slaves. They're employees. There's supposed to be a difference.. Telling jokes should not get you fired. Bad performance at your job should get you fired.

These PC pantywaists are going to be the ruin of us all. Telling a joke based on stereotypes is not 'sexism.' Deciding (not) to hire or fire someone based on gender is sexism. Of course, insecure people like Richards rule the roost now so now suddenly we're all responsible for HER feelings.

Re:Really? (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#43240903)

Two employees, in public, on company time, wearing badges clearly identifying what company they work for, making totally inappropriate comments - they most certainly should be fired.

Two humans making jokes (a human trait, FYI) about human body parts... and the problem with this is what, exactly?

Just because some people are humorless puritanical douchebags doesn't mean the world should cater to them. If employers want robots intead of humans, they should have hired robots in the first place.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240913)

Two employees, engaging in a conversation, overheard by a woman with a chip on her shoulder. One gets fired without investigation, on complete hearsay.
I'd be laughing all the way to the bank with a wrongful termination lawsuit.

And you guys wonder why there aren't any women in tech careers. If a flick of a smart phone and an angry tweet was all it takes I'd make sure there were no double-X workers in my office. I couldn't afford to lose my employees to frivolity.

I'm all for woman's rights but there are a LOT of bizarrely militant feminist organizations that have a hate-on for the hacker/geek community.
From all I've seen, most feminist organizations do little to advance woman's causes. (Mostly because their philosophies don't reflect rational thinking. It's all thinly veiled woman-good/man-evil no exceptions dogma)

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240963)

Two employees, in public, on company time, wearing badges clearly identifying what company they work for, making totally inappropriate comments - they most certainly should be fired.

Firing Richards herself is the moronic thing. You don't fire the messenger. I have zero idea what SendGrid does - but "all publicity is good publicity" is a lie.

Two employees, in public, on company time, wearing badges clearly identifying what company they work for, making totally inappropriate comments - they most certainly should be fired.

Firing Richards herself is the moronic thing. You don't fire the messenger. I have zero idea what SendGrid does - but "all publicity is good publicity" is a lie.

So she can inappropriately try to publicly shame these guys while also in a professional capacity but they should be the ones fired for cracking a mildly inappropriate joke to each other. Double standards much? How about her own more crude dick joke she posted 24 hours later? If she had just informed the PyCon people no one would have cared, instead she acted unprofessionally and posted their photo to 9k people in the tech space insinuating they are sexist.

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about a year ago | (#43240977)

Is it? Richards herself tweeted publicly to a friend about stuffing his pants next time he goes through a TSA check. If the first guy deserved to get fired for making stupid jokes to his friend sitting in the audience at a conference why shouldn't Richards get fired for doing the same thing publicly via Twitter?

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240665)

And I don't want to live in a society where everybody is so uptight about being a jerkass that they can't consider their own behavior might sometimes be inappropriate.

Re:Really? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240797)

Then go live out in the wilderness or something; at least you won't hear humans saying things you disagree with there.

Now fuck off, you pussy.

Re:Really? (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#43240915)

Uptight? You mean where every little thing someone says 'offends' you to the point where you feel justified in watching/enabling the destruction of their careers?

Fuck you, hypocrite.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240703)

I don't want to live in a society

Too bad. We've been perfecting this romper room la-la land celebutante world for decades and you'll live in it.

Turn in your guns too, subject.

Re:Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240857)

What a troll and misogynist! You take the side of the offensive males (I'll therefore assume that's your gender, too) that act like teenagers in exchanging coarse and offensive remarks with others of the same mindset.

All of you: Go back to your caves and live like your think, Neanderthal.

(And, yes, this AC is a woman who's had to put up with this kind of @)$(&^% for my entire adult life from men--mental boys, really--who lack elementary grace, empathy and, perhaps, mirror neurons!)

Re:Really? (5, Insightful)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#43240987)

You don't have a right to not be offended.

So fuck off.

Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240581)

When your in public, behave like an adult.
We don't live in a world where you can get away with this nonsense anymore.*

*Unless you have enough money to buy a politician/law team.

Behold a new age in political correctness (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240591)

We should all just stay at home and not speak to anyone.

Re:Behold a new age in political correctness (4, Interesting)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year ago | (#43240711)

Yes. Political Correctness is the *mortal enemy* of Free Speech.

Re:Behold a new age in political correctness (1)

tylikcat (1578365) | about a year ago | (#43240885)

But "not being an asshole" isn't.

Re:Behold a new age in political correctness (1)

Tailhook (98486) | about a year ago | (#43240937)

We should all just stay at home and not speak to anyone.

That would be a cop-out.

Our expectation is that you participate no less, but that you assiduously maintain the necessary filters between your damaged mind and the external world. We have provided an ample selection of subjects that you may denigrate without risk to your future. Among these are rich people, men, whites, Republicans and Christians. Please confine your need to bash on others to those groups and leave good people alone.

Thank you.

      — The Management

Sad Sad Sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240593)

It is completely unacceptable that good old double entendre comments, directed at no one in particular could lead to these people losing their jobs.

This over sensitive Twitterer needs to get a life! I think the Streisand effect will cause her to regret her tweets.

Twitter-shaming. (5, Insightful)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43240595)

Well, I can't read her blog unless I enable javascript so I'm going to have to skip reading her point of view. But the calmly reasoned and stated response from one of the audience members behind Adria (a Mr Hank) whom Adria "twitter-shamed" (rather than speaking to directly) said (in quotes below) :
He was less forgiving of her reporting him and his associate in the manner that she did -- that is, taking her complaint to Twitter, complete with their photo, rather than confronting them face to face. He pointed out that she is well known for her work and social activism and has an extensive Web audience. "With that great power and reach comes responsibility. As a result of the picture she took I was let go from my job today. Which sucks because I have three kids and I really liked that job," he wrote. -- from http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-business/twitter-shaming-can-cost-you-your-job-214956 [infoworld.com]

I think that he's right. In the time that it took to turn around and take that picture, she could just as easily have said "Hey, cut it out! Those kinds of comments are inappropriate, and I'm offended, okay?" This is a point where saying "don't make a federal case out of it" may be apropos. Does she want them to walk around wearing big "L" for losers on their foreheads, or "D" for "dicks" for what offensive things they said? Maybe she needs to reread that Scarlet Letter book.

Re:Twitter-shaming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240727)

Yes but if she did what he proposed that would possibly mean two scalps less in the collection and thus less glory at the end of the day.
That she did that is maybe her poor judgment and lack of morale but that her bosses felt forced to react the way they did show how shitty our society has become. Instead of common sense - hanging. I thought times of lynchings are gone but obviously not.

Re:Twitter-shaming. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240739)

She's just a dick. She's doing this because she can. She didn't have to listen, didn't have to be offended by something that's utterly inoffensive to anyone with the thinnest of skins, and didn't have to go on a crusade that would obviously bring down a disproportional penalty to the guys.

And as for PlayHaven, I wish them luck finding employees of any skill. Only desperate kids will want to work in a place where they have to police their thoughts and can't even make an innocuous joke to their friends once in a while. I think their decision was just as heinous as Adria's one-woman quest to set women back in technology.

Re:Twitter-shaming. (4, Insightful)

ildon (413912) | about a year ago | (#43240791)

Whatever happened to just turning around and glaring angrily at people who say stupid shit in public? Or possibly telling them to "grow up" to their face?

Re:Twitter-shaming. (3)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43240941)

re:Or possibly telling them to "grow up" to their face?
.
Exactly. I was at a G-rated-cartoon with two kids (one niece, 8 yrs old, one cousin, 7 years old) when some guys behind us started yakking about their friday night date with some PG and R rated language, and I as a girl had no problem turning around and saying "hey, there are children here! Watch what you say!" Of course, that's cause the movie hadn't started yet, they were showing commercials. During the movie, I'd have turned around and said "shut it!" probably instead.

Sexual jokes are sexist now (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240613)

The guys made jokes about 'big dongles' and 'forking a guys repo'. The jokes were stupid but not sexist at all.

She should FUCK OFF! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240615)

Stupid Cunt Offends the Hell out of me. Please, get rid of her! She makes me sick!

Well that escalated quickly (5, Funny)

Daetrin (576516) | about a year ago | (#43240625)

*Joke about dongle*

*drama*

*Rocks fall, everyone gets fired*

Loosing Jobs (1)

cdrnet (1582149) | about a year ago | (#43240629)

It seems to me the real problem here is not the purportedly offensive jokes or the public tweet, but that people can actually get fired over a simple joke or tweet (and the law actually allows this).

Stupid ho (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240639)

Dumb feminazi bitches need to learn that just because a comment is sexual in nature that does not make it sexist.

Re:Stupid ho (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240667)

the parent comment however, is definitely sexist, along with i'm sure several other replies to the article.

Re:Stupid ho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240697)

Boohoo. Go fork yourself you emasculated little shit with a tiny dongle.

How many people... (4, Insightful)

CyberSnyder (8122) | about a year ago | (#43240657)

...considered posting a comment in this, then stopped and deleted it just in case *your* employer takes offense?

Homophobia (5, Interesting)

ddq (2421932) | about a year ago | (#43240691)

Since the jokes were in reference to "big dongles" and forking a man's repo and made no references to women or female anatomy, it seems like Richards is actually being homophobic.

Re:Homophobia (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#43240803)

She did refer to the men as "ass clowns".

Is this a blow against sexism? (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43240693)

If sexism were to be defeated, it would mean hearts and minds would change and it would become a non-issue.

This is something very different. This is a chilling effect and a one-way weapon against males. The same would never happen if the roles were opposite. This is no different than the mentality we generally maintain that it's funny for women to hurt men but tragic and horrific for men to hurt women.

This doesn't "fight" sexism, it defines it. The worst thing is all of this harm is done without the benefit of a trial, a warning or any sense of fairness.

Re:Is this a blow against sexism? (3, Insightful)

atriusofbricia (686672) | about a year ago | (#43240811)

If sexism were to be defeated, it would mean hearts and minds would change and it would become a non-issue.

This is something very different. This is a chilling effect and a one-way weapon against males. The same would never happen if the roles were opposite. This is no different than the mentality we generally maintain that it's funny for women to hurt men but tragic and horrific for men to hurt women.

This doesn't "fight" sexism, it defines it. The worst thing is all of this harm is done without the benefit of a trial, a warning or any sense of fairness.

Truth.

The reaction was completely out of proportion and entirely based on her claim. I'm not saying she's lying. I'm saying there was no evidence and I doubt anyone even bothered to listen to the guy's side of it.

Re:Is this a blow against sexism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240823)

Can't be a blow against sexism. Blows are pro-sexism.

Re:Is this a blow against sexism? (5, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#43240853)

Yeah, the comment wasn't even sexist. It was sexual and it was inappropriate but that does not make it sexist. Doing shit like this only has the effect of alienating people who otherwise agree with the fact that there are large scale issues of genuine sexist and creepy stalker behavior that is directed towards women at conventions and in the greater tech community at large.

Hooray For SendGrid! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240721)

My hat's off to SendGrid for having the fortitude to fire Adria Richards. The self-centered blowhard got precisely what she deserved. A strong dose of her own medicine.

Isn't the irony delicious, Adria?

differential diagnosis.... (1)

gale the simple (1931540) | about a year ago | (#43240723)

period... or absolute lack of humor

and George Carlin saw it comin' [elyrics.net]

pc culture makes me shiver now... how bad will it be in 10 years?

Wait a sec (0)

gtirloni (1531285) | about a year ago | (#43240731)

A woman complains about two adult males making sexist jokes near her and SHE gets fired? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Re:Wait a sec (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240819)

A woman complains about two adult males making sexist jokes near her and SHE gets fired? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

No.

Re:Wait a sec (1)

Guido69 (513067) | about a year ago | (#43240847)

Correct.

Re:Wait a sec (5, Insightful)

rahvin112 (446269) | about a year ago | (#43240837)

IMO she deserved it. This was a matter for reprimands by the conference and if needed by their employers, NOT but the public at large. She breached the two mens privacy in a serious way and if I was her employer I'd be worried about blow back from what she did now and what she'll do in the future.

IMO it's never OK to "twitter shame" someone, it's the pinnacle of passive-aggressive behavior where you take a complaint public and ask for mob justice. What happens next time where she calls for the pitchforks and torches and someone actually is harmed by some mentally ill person that got fired up by her?

Re:Wait a sec (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#43240877)

A woman complains about two adult males making sexist jokes near her and SHE gets fired?

How is "big dongles" sexist? In what way does it discriminate or is prejudicial against someone based on their sex? Sexual != sexist. Also, she was fired because her actions were alienating the very community of people she was supposed to be an evangelist for.

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

She did get the person fired by making a huge stink over it by publicly shaming them.

Re:Wait a sec (2)

cgimusic (2788705) | about a year ago | (#43240961)

They got fired to and the jokes were not sexist. If it was jokes about vaginas then you would still say it was sexist against women right? In fact the jokes were sexual in nature but they weren't sexist at all. No one should have been fired and this just makes everyone look bad. The people who made the jokes look bad. The company they work for looks bad. The woman who reported them looks bad. The company she works for looks bad. Everybody looses.

manginas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240743)

World is full of managinas now who will defend her now. She should have asked them privately to stop or lower their voice, and I am sure they would have.
Soon looking at a woman in the eye will be consider rape if we let things go the way they are.

I can't be myself around a woman anymore, I no longer know what might offend one. Adria shouldn't have been eavesdropping in the conversation.

Sociopaths have no sense of humor. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240747)

It's well documented that sociopaths have no sense of humor.

In fact, it's the top indicator.

This woman should be institutionalized before she hurts anyone else.

Another Ada initiative supporter (1)

russotto (537200) | about a year ago | (#43240751)

...attempting to make me feel bad for being male, for being a geek, and for being a male geek. Not going to fly, Ms. Richards. You want to make it "us" vs "them"? Well, OK, but given the relative numbers I don't think you're going to win that one.

Hurrah (5, Funny)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#43240767)

Good for her. She stood up for herself when she was threatened (triggered). What was the trigger? She saw a photo on main stage of a little girl who had been in the Young Coders workshop. She realized immediately that she had to do something or that little girl would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind her would make it impossible for the little girl to do so. What did these ass clowns do? They began making sexual forking jokes. What happened after the forking joke? A dongle joke. Incredible. Just like Popeye, she "couldn't stands it no more" and took action.

What did she do? She did what any hero would have done in her situation. She took a photo of the offending hipster males and posted it for the whole world to see. This was an outstanding, very brave effort for a woman who had just been triggered. She was applauded by the feminist blogosphere, and in the end was fired by a man in a position of power. The fucking patriarchy. Fuck them. Don't believe me, read the entire blog entry she wrote. It is all totally supported by the ideology that rules our campuses today. [butyoureagirl.com] To quote her:

"Yesterday the future of programming was on the line and I made myself heard."

Classic. Who can read that without a tear? Can anyone provide a place that I can donate to her legal defense fund?

Re:Hurrah (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#43240831)

Can anyone provide a place that I can donate to her legal defense fund?

Given her long history of claiming victimhood she will establish a legal offense fund.

Re:Hurrah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240919)

You just triggered me.

I can honestly state that I believe in earnest that the world would be a better place without either of you.

Hopefully, someday, good riddance.

Re:Hurrah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240979)

No need. I'll do it to myself....

WOOSH!

Carry on...

Re:Hurrah (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#43240925)

I like how you just take her word and immediately assume she is right. The way you applaud her ability to destroy people lives just on her word.

""Yesterday the future of programming was on the line and I made myself heard.""
I read it and about barfed. How big does ones ego need to be to think that?

Re:Hurrah (1)

StormyWeather (543593) | about a year ago | (#43240943)

This sir is amazing sarcasm.

Re:Hurrah (5, Interesting)

waerloga01 (308176) | about a year ago | (#43240949)

Hardly. I think this blog post sums it up best. http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/ [wordpress.com] . She didn't try and work with anyone, she wasn't out to correct anything. She was out use her bully pulpit to 1: make herself more important 2: hurt those that had the audacity to offend her. That said it doesn't excuse by ANY means the attitudes show both for and against her position that went well beyond the pale. What's more sad is at the VERY SAME conference she was offended at she made this jewel: https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 [twitter.com] . Reeks of hypocrisy.

Sex jokes are gendered? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240783)

Why is a joke about penises or sex in general offensive?

Re:Sex jokes are gendered? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240965)

Because you're supposed to be sexually repressed and shameful of your sexuality and anything sexual. This poor feminazi bitch was saving the very future programming by doing this!

"Yesterday the future of programming was on the line and I made myself heard."

What a self-important cunt.

If it's a professional conference... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240799)

then the conduct should be professional.

she needs to get forked once in a while. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240809)

she needs to get forked once in a while.

Why fire HER? (-1, Troll)

Archeopteryx (4648) | about a year ago | (#43240863)

Sure, somebody points out sexual harassment and you FIRE them? I hope she has retained a lawyer because she is going to make a mint.

Re:Why fire HER? (3, Insightful)

StormyWeather (543593) | about a year ago | (#43240969)

I'd fire her for being poisonous to the work environment, and hire 10 easy going females who have senses of humor to replace her. This kind of wretch drags an entire organization down.

She overheard someone talking NOT TO HER, and tried to make sure they couldn't feed their families. That makes her a hero? Bullshit.

can't care (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240869)

It is fucking impossible to even begin to sympathize with women's plight when they make people lose their job over stupid shit like this. Maybe women should lose their jobs for making "dumb husband" jokes?

Whole situation is a pile of fail (5, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | about a year ago | (#43240875)

Two people at a conference telling jokes you find offensive? Ok, say something to them. Her taking it to Twitter is no different than the faceless drones threatening her via twitter - too coward to confront someone face to face - instead attacking someone via the Internet.

She is a self described activist, who is too afraid to confront two nerds?

A bit of human decency, on both parties (aka: talking to another human being) would have mitigated this entire situation and two people would still have their jobs.

Only in America? (5, Interesting)

NaughtyNimitz (763264) | about a year ago | (#43240889)

Come on you puritan sods! Grow a pair of balls.
Now if the developers made a sexual joke about that Adria woman , than I would consider this sexual harassment. But some wordplay? On Forking? And big dongles? What's next; "Oh no's, he said that we should go 'finger' the cullprit who broke into our unix account. Let's put tar and feathers on him and carry him around on a metal bar!"
I am goddamn happy I live on the ole' Continent where you can swear profanely on the workfloor when you break your skull underneath your desk while searching for that loose USB cable or make funny comebacks to loose the tension like that female developer who shouted "that's what he said" after the frantic cry of the assistant server-admin "i can't get it up!".

You are creating a generation of scared, stressed, puritan bastards. One visit to a Scottish , Flemish or Basque pub and they probably faint upon hearing the "feck this pissbeer" or "my, those are big jugs. No offense lady!"

PyCons harrasment policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240891)

Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, sexual images in public spaces, deliberate intimidation, stalking, following, harassing photography or recording, sustained disruption of talks or other events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention.

There jokes did not break the policy. This isn't sexual harrassment, this is two people make a joke. Making a dongle/Penis joke is not sexual harrassment.

Also, have the backbone to tell them yourself.

Pycon through people out becasue one persons tweet, with no recourse. I'll be sure to remember that next time I see her and a conference.

Stupid stupid stupid (2)

StormyWeather (543593) | about a year ago | (#43240899)

These guys lost their jobs because of joking about the word dongle, something that every geek on the face of the planet has joked about. Forking and dongle are funny sounding stupid IT words, every profession has stupid words people joke about. If you are a female and you don't get invited to the after hours hang out where people goof around, make jokes, and talk serious business this is the kind of person you have to blame. What a horrible humorless human.

Don't think men with families they struggle to pay to feed their kids, and keep medical insurance don't secretly wonder if the female next to one of these females, and leave them out of the loop because of it. This is what causes the truly nasty life changing, paycheck shrinking discrimination, not stupid jokes.

Congratulations to her on the petty, bitter, shallow victory. and dinner alone. I wouldn't hire this wretch in a million years, I don't care if she is the most brilliant python developer in the world. No organization needs her poison in it.

Lessosn learned (i hope) (3, Interesting)

drolli (522659) | about a year ago | (#43240935)

a) A conference is a public place. Taking photos there is no crime and reporting what you could hear by natural hearing neither.

b) If you have twitter followers for some reason, what you write will be observed

c) If you are somewhere representing a company on social media, and you use this channel for other things, no matter if you did it for the best and the worst, and these other things start to interfere with your capability to efficiently represent the company in a solely positive way, you will be fired. And rightly so. A company does not judge if you are right or wrong in doing something. They see somebody who can create a positive image for them. If you have such a job, then you have to know that creating unwanted attention which prevents you from doing the job gets you fired. Sorry thatâ(TM)s life. If you have a Job behind a desk, programming, you can do whatever you want on twitter.
 

Workplace Discrimination (5, Interesting)

duckgod (2664193) | about a year ago | (#43240945)

As a owner of a tech company I can say with all honesty that I don't discriminate at all when I hire. All I see when I am hiring is how much money you can make me. That is it. My employees are nothing more then an investment. That being said it is bullshit like this that makes me think twice about hiring women. When I hire a women I have to take into account the risk of a sexual harassment charge that does not really exist if I hire a male.

Richards' Future Employment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240953)

Is nonexistent, given the firestorm she has proven she can bring down on an employer, they'd be crazy to hire her.

How women how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43240983)

So their joking was about big "dongles" and "forking"... matters of taste and context aside, this is somehow now in the category of sexism and debasing to women? I was expecting a rape joke or something and was severely disappointed. Obscene jokes about lady bits, sure, but male body parts are now offensive to women. I can't make a private joke about my own body parts? Only women are allowed to now [ https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 ]? I must have clicked through a hell of a license agreement to give that right away...

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