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Canonical and China Announce Ubuntu Collaboration

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the working-together dept.

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First time accepted submitter GovCheese writes "Canonical, the software company that manages and funds Ubuntu, announced that the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology will base their national reference architecture for standard operating systems on Ubuntu, and they will call it Kylin. Arguably China is the largest desktop market and the announcement has important implications. Shuttleworth says, 'The release of Ubuntu Kylin brings the Chinese open source community into the global Ubuntu community.'"

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I won't use it unless it supports HOSTS files (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43241141)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.



That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]


He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]


oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]


As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]


$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]


And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]


Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]


golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]


The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]


DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]


KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]


You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]


You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]


Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]


ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]


I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]


I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]


1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]


What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]


I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]


er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]


performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]


Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]


Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]


I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]


I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]


If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]


DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]


Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]


Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com]. Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]


Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]


I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]


lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]


I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]


Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org], where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]


^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]


Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]


The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]


YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]


I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]


Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]


Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40947927 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040425&cid=40946755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40942439 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40942207 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40942031 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038601&cid=40942085 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040803&cid=40950045 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040867&cid=40950563 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40950839 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041035&cid=40951899 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952169 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041091&cid=40952383 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40952991 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954201 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956625 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897177 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40894889 [slashdot.org]
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* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Re:I won't use it unless it supports HOSTS files (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242373)

Wow hte Day I would defend apk is a day that I would never tough of !
Congrats troll !

You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear

Re:I won't use it unless it supports HOSTS files (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243385)

Well, we have not seen Mr. APK for a while and I think he is not accepting your challenge either.

Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1, Offtopic)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about a year ago | (#43241193)

Canonical is such a train wreck of a company. Doing it all wrong technically and now politically.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43241217)

I want to slobber all over your bare asshole. What say you?

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242959)

Squirt away, Mr Ballmer, squirt away.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (1, Flamebait)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about a year ago | (#43241249)

I've always distrusted Ubuntu. It seems their programmers are being driven by marketers now-- Unity, adware crap, and so on. Kind of reminds me of another company... Good luck to them I guess.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (5, Insightful)

xyzio (1470567) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241649)

They have to make money somehow. I've had no issues using Ubuntu and it is one of the few distros that is easy to use and set up.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (3, Interesting)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241929)

I'm a Mint user-- Mint's downstream from Ubuntu-- so I can attest to the quality & hard work that its programmers & devs have put into it. My beef is with the direction Ubuntu is taking; drinking the tablet Kool-Aid, and as I mentioned before the adware. As for their revenues, the way to do it right is to make a jim-dandy OS, and sell the support. If I want adware I can get a Windows box.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (2)

xyzio (1470567) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242273)

I think that as a company matures it is forced to find additional sources of revenue and often this revenue comes from those that are locked in i.e. its customers. Ubuntu's granddaddy - Debian is a good way to skip all the ad-ware that Ubuntu is starting to add.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (2)

Zamphatta (1760346) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242541)

I think all the ad-ware & other "extras" Ubuntu has, are all tied into Unity, so one could skip it by just installing Cinnamon or Gnome and using those instead.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242747)

If Debian stable included a recent version of KDE and the latest NVidia drivers (since I need 310.32 for my card specifically), I'd switch to it immediately. I'm using Fedora now only because a) it includes KDE 4.10 and b) it's not Ubuntu.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43241951)

Why do they have to make money? Oh, right, to pay fat salaries to talkers like Shuttleworth.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243863)

Mr Shuttleworth who's funding the entire Ubuntu project with £20 million of his own money...?

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242127)

They have to make money somehow. I've had no issues using Ubuntu and it is one of the few distros that is easy to use and set up.

So, so much this. Install Ubuntu on your computer and notice how their installer walks you through the process. Then go install Fedora -- and you'll remember why Linux still gets a bad rap.

Even if some of Canonical's decisions have been questionable, there's no question that they've made desktop Linux a significantly more pleasant experience for people who aren't hardcore IT geeks.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (5, Informative)

Zamphatta (1760346) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242603)

Couldn't agree more! If not for Ubuntu, I'd probably still be stuck with Windows. I tried installing Debian, a couple other distros, and FreeBSD. When they worked out fine, I found it was all command line and I had a hard time getting online & installing Gnome, Cinnamon, Xfce, or KDE. So I just stuck with Ubuntu. I'd really love to get into FreeBSD, but hey... I'm just a web developer, I don't need to spend a lot of my time trying to get my system to work and I don't want to spend a lot of my time on that either. I often think part of the reason Linux isn't more popular is because it almost always requires the Linux newbie to learn the hard way first, in order to use the system in a more intuitive way (GUI). And when there's OS's like Windows & Mac, that don't require the hard way to be the 1st thing you learn, then why waste the time going through all the hoops? That's how I see it. That's what held me back for about 12 years.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (1)

TheSeatOfMyPants (2645007) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243719)

I also started out with Ubuntu (8.04), but thankfully the first distro I tried after I got fed up with its issues in early '10 was Simply Mepis [mepis.org], which has to be the easiest one ever. After I'd gotten used to it, I felt comfortable enough trying out OpenSuSE, Fedora, etc. to enjoy distro-hopping and start learning the commandline for fun since it wasn't as necessary as it had been for me in Ubuntu. If I'd gone straight for Debian either before or after Ubuntu, though, I'm pretty sure I would've given up on Linux for good.

I think we really need a page or site for users like us to offer our experiences with different distros in order to help one another discover which ones to try out. It's frustrating to see how many people try a distro that's too far beyond their skill level and react by deciding that either all of Linux is far too hard, or that Ubuntu & its derivatives are the only real options.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242837)

Yes I can confirm that too. As much as I love tinkering and using other sane distros like Gentoo I have much respect for canonical. They do all the hard work, I go through when installing Gentoo. Most of the times, I make the distro blotted with drivers that I may never need. There is a purpose for distros like Gentoo. Ubuntu too loads much more than needed, but at least they know what to load and what not to load. Such choices of drivers does not come from suggestions from hard core Linux user groups, but from customers who use Ubuntu daily. Still there can be times, while installing Linux things could go wrong, but the rate has gone significantly down.

You don't need to install Ubuntu, it installs itself.

I was having trouble loading network drivers while installing Arch. Neither the Ethernet driver would load nor the Wireless drivers. It shamelessly spitted out some error messages in dmesg. As a Linux vocal minority, my duty would be to troll everywhere on the internet, why I think Arch sucks, rather than try to load the appropriate drivers myself.

This has been the case for many of Ubuntu criticism too, specially from loud vocal minority. You don't like Unity, but you will not install cinnamon, because you will become a minority. You will not install Mint, because you are not on Ubuntu. You will not install SusE, because you think grass is greener on the other side.

I respect when people say adds are bad, and Ubuntu should at least ask people if they want them during the installation. Besides that, whatever they introduce in their OS, its their decision. They want to reach out to large users, who don't care what Linux is, they want to make the desktop environment adamant to customization, they want to put red, white, blue wallpaper, they want to put orange icons, its their decision.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242951)

So I instaled Fedora 18. Everything worked fine, plus I wasn't encumbered with Unity and Amazon spyware to boot.

Why does Linux get a bad rap again? Oh, right. Canonical and shills like yourself.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (2)

MrEricSir (398214) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243093)

Yes, I'm a "shill" because I have better things to do than waste my time with poorly designed installers.

Good call.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243293)

So is being a hooker.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (2)

TheSeatOfMyPants (2645007) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243533)

Actually, few *aren't* easy to set up: which have you tried? I fell for the "Ubuntu is the only user-friendly distro" FUD for my first two years as a Linux user, and when the Ubuntu releases became intolerably unstable on my computer starting in late '09, I almost gave up on Linux entirely because I was so certain all other distros were a nightmare for non-geeks & had forums full of snarky asshats.

Thankfully I had a few live CDs I'd been thinking about trying when an Ubuntu update rendered my hard drive unbootable... I tried Simply Mepis for a few months and was enchanted, then gave OpenSuSE & Fedora a few months each and tried lesser-known distros I heard about like Samity or Petite. The results: the ones I tried were uniformly more stable & easier than Ubuntu -- my mother, a barely computer-literate senior citizen, can use & even install/set up the mainstream ones without trouble -- and *all* of them had a much friendlier, more user-centric vibe at their forums. I only ran into a handful that weren't functional out of the proverbial box, and almost all of those stated openly that they're for advanced users.

I'd highly recommend that you give the other mainstream distros a try if you haven't done so at least within the past 4 years; you just might be very, very surprised... (FWIW I think the easiest/friendliest is Simply Mepis [mepis.org], which is my favorite, but I'm sure that fans of the others would argue!)

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (2, Interesting)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243717)

I second this. SUSE is a damn great distro and gives the best KDE4 experience out-of-the-box of ANY Linux. It's easy to install and detects almost everything I've thrown at it (TV cards and wireless might be a problem) and is very user firendly. It gets a bad rep here in /. culture because of the M$ deal. For that matter Fedora's getting a bad rep because of their UEFI Secure Boot deal with M$. Slashdot culture is a funny thing. Criticize Apple and it's like kicking over an anthill. Now apparently ditto Ubuntu and Unity, & Ubuntu's practices. But it's okay to bash Metro and W8, whose lead Shuttleworth seems hell bent on following. Go on, people. Criticize away.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (5, Interesting)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241883)

For a change, I have mod points, but I'd rather reply than add a random -1 = I disagree. It's no secret that Canonical wants to make money. Unlike competing Linux distros with a commercial and a free version, Canonical refused to split their distro in two. This decision has hampered their financial growth, but helped their community growth. I applaud them for it. Canonical has some financial interest but is clearly willing to sacrifice earnings to be good world citizens. Big American companies passed up valuable opportunities to partner with Canonical. HP and Dell, screwed up, though Dell at least gave it a an incompetent effort. The Chinese and Canonical working together makes sense. The Chinese like to steal whatever they can, but Canonical has already offered everything for free. There's nothing to steal. For example, Lenovo just sold me a $1900 ThinkPad Carbon X1 Touch with a bad display, and they knew it. Rather than eating the lost from buying thousands of bad displays, they decided to screw over all their ThinkPad customers in America. It's the Chinese way. The poor IBM employees supporting the ThinkPad line are screwed. Most companies can't even imagine a productive relationship with the Chinese government. However, there's no downside to Canonical, and tons of upside for China. If a billion Chinese benefit, and Canonical grows from a tiny company to a medium company, everyone wins. Mr Shuttleworth has always cared more about helping a billion people than making another hundred million. The Chinese are simply smart enough to take advantage of Shuttleworth's generousity. I get so tired of how people prefer to tear down good work. What have you done to improve the human condition? Does it compare to Mark's work?

The a-holes above calling Mark a communist pinko can suck my ever-hard wang.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242153)

If suffering from an ever-hard wang, please contact a physician.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242651)

you also have a hard to deal with sweatshop worker named wang, they must be a dime a dozen

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243581)


Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243199)

I call your yang with my yin:
Most in the Linux community offer the recipe and the candy. Shuttleworth is only offering the candy and can't make a profit. RHEL and Suse manage to profit while offering both, hence the anti-Canonical sentiment.
Judging by Canonical's CLA [canonical.com] could Mark have something in common with the Chinese?
And spare me the sainthood anointment, that was just over the top.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (2)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243697)

"The Chinese are simply smart enough to take advantage of Shuttleworth's generousity."

Mark is richer than 99% of the people here on Slashdot, but he's barely a billionaire, nowhere near the wealth of Mark Z, the Google twins, let alone Bill G. The Chinese have a cash pile that runs into the hundreds of billions. They have no need for Shuttleworth's generosity.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (1)

wichawa (2716799) | 1 year,30 days | (#43244111)

The poor IBM employees supporting the ThinkPad line are screwed.

As a general rule, IBM offers no support for ThinkPads (and for all intents and purposes are no longer affiliated in any way with the ThinkPad brand) unless some specific company has decided to purchase Lenovo ThinkPads but would prefer to have them serviced by IBM.

Basically, IBM does not actively sell or service the ThinkPad in any capacity.

Occasionally ThinkPad deals are tossed into large package deals with other IBM products and services, but IBM does not maintain any preference in this respect. IBM will gladly sell you an HP computer as long as you are buying it from IBM.

Re:Poor decisions lately Mr. Shuttleworth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243003)

There is nothing wrong with Unity, I like using it. That doesn't mean I talk shit about what you prefer using. Grow the fuck up.

mod down the above comment ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43241523)

mod down the above comment .. twice ...

At lest they cant steal what's already free (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43241223)


Opennes in China (2)

supertrooper (2073218) | about a year ago | (#43241227)

If we can learn something from the history is that any openness won't work well in China. On the positive side we may see a number of drivers for peripheral devices being developed for Ubuntu. In any case, I wish them good luck.

Linux is now terrorism! (5, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43241261)

Waiting for some bright minds in Congress to start holding hearings into whether Communist OSs like Linux are responsible for cyberterrorism.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (1)

c0lo (1497653) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241379)

Waiting for some bright minds in Congress to start holding hearings into whether Communist OSs like Linux are responsible for cyberterrorism.

Yes!... and quickly indict Shuttleworth for high treason: it's clearly high tech terrorism. Better still he and his family must be treated as al-Aulaqi family was; the president has the authority, after all it's a clear and immediate threat.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242561)

But, he is not American and his company is Manx.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (1)

c0lo (1497653) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242961)

But, he is not American and his company is Manx.

Bah... an insignificant detail [mediaite.com]

Besides, even better: no due process is required to send a drone after him

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (2)

amginenigma (1495491) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241713)

Why is it people ascribe *nix (specifically it seems Linux) as Communist software? If anything, in my odd little world it seems more Capitalist than Communist, maybe Socialist; but not Communist. To me it simply seems wrong to say that with Windows I'm running an OS that is installed on physical hardware I FREAKING OWN but I do not 'own' the code to the operating system running on that hardware. Linux is MINE, I can look at it, tweak it, do whatever the hell I want with it; I just do not see how being able to do whatever I want with something I own is 'communist' in any way shape or form. /end rant

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (3, Interesting)

Luckyo (1726890) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242023)

Because "communism" is what people commonly associate with "enemy" in much of the Western world.

The actual meaning of the word has been lost long ago in case of general populace, just like other similar politically loaded words such as "freedom", "democracy" and so on.

Not the whole western world (1)

DrYak (748999) | 1 year,30 days | (#43244381)

Because "communism" is what people commonly associate with "enemy" in much of the Western world.

...in much of the United States of America.

Sorry for you if you don't get much political choice due to a bipartisan system, split between right-wing and far-right-wing, with more or less similar corporate backing behind both.

In western Europe, Communists are one of the several available party to vote for, although not the most active one. (Socialists are usually the most active on the left wing)

In eastern Europe, Communists are a bunch of politicians who try to ride the nostalgia wave with a doubtful program.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242107)

Communism is when the means of production are owned collectively, with no exploitative wage labour. Sound like Linux?

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (1)

Shavano (2541114) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243081)

You don't understand Communism. In Communism (not state Socialism like in the USSR but the kind Marx described), the workers own the means of production and control their own productivity. You and your computer are very much like that. Furthermore, Linux belongs to you with respect to how you can use it and modify it and to nobody in the sense that everybody can have as many copies as they want.

In Capitalism, the means of production belongs to financiers and say what you will and won't do with it.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (1)

wichawa (2716799) | 1 year,30 days | (#43244161)

You don't understand Communism..... [rant aout communism]......

In Capitalism, the means of production belongs to financiers and say what you will and won't do with it.

You don't understand Capitalism. In Capitalism each agent within the system maintains private ownership over its belongings, and has the freedom to choose its activities within the system.

Unlike Communism where nobody owns anything, as everybody owns everything. As an agent within such a system, your mobility and means of production are dictated by everyone else.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243241)

And yet all those government supercomputers like those run by the NSA (Never Say Anything ...oops, National Security Agency), National Nuclear Security Agency, Central Intelligence Agency, and places like Argonne National Labs, Lawrence Livermore National Labs, and others (see here [top500.org]), are using soo much Linux. Is it that after affording the million CPU's in the machine, they can't afford an operating system? US defence spending not enough? Ummm Nope. Linux really is the best system out there (bar none). Where it really counts, use Linux. I'm just waiting for US congress to make a kerfuffle about it all, and when the truth comes out, the wider public finally finds out.

Re:Linux is now terrorism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243617)

You mean Windows? Since 99.9 of all PC are windows based in China!

So.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43241305)

No accepting upstream patches from Kylin, got it.

Makes sense (3)

inking (2869053) | about a year ago | (#43241333)

In terms of counterintelligence, a smart move on China's part. Although Canonical is UK based, it's significantly easier to migrate from Ubuntu to any other distro than from Windows or OSX, should the need arise. I'm actually quite surprised that Iran isn't doing the same thing. You don't even need to have backdoors in computers of the individuals you're interested in; those of their families are already a big step ahead.

This has been tried before (4, Insightful)

RobertinXinyang (1001181) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241391)

The Chinese government tried pushing Linux in the past, research “Red Flag” Linux. It was a failure. I only saw it once. I happened to be in a shop in Xian and I saw it on a computer. Before I could comment on it the sales man assured me that if I purchased the computer they would put a copy of Windows on it “so it could be useful.”

As others have commented, Linux is competing with free copies of Windows. Further, it lacks the games that the Chinese want (also free).

Free as in speech has no ring to the Chinese ear. The issue is broken down to choosing between two flavours of free beer.

Re:This has been tried before (1)

hedwards (940851) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241603)

That's generally the case. Windows may not be free in any sense of the word, but the cost of the license is included in the cost of the computer. The only time you ever actually see a price is if you're upgrading or building your own computer.

Re:This has been tried before (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242969)

cost of the license is included in the cost of the computer.

Not where piracy is rampant.

Re:This has been tried before (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243961)

So it's cheaper then. Your point is?

Re:This has been tried before (5, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241613)

China has an ARM license now, and several ARM chipset manufacturers. Low power requirements makes this a good fit as their power infrastructure is struggling already. As open source it leaves open the potential for home grown app development. Finally, it is time for China to get off of XP and the modern hardware and software proprietary platforms are not piracy friendly. Going legit opens up export potentials for China. Pretty obvious really.

Re:This has been tried before (5, Interesting)

YokoZar (1232202) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242629)

The Chinese government tried pushing Linux in the past, research “Red Flag” Linux. It was a failure. I only saw it once. I happened to be in a shop in Xian and I saw it on a computer. Before I could comment on it the sales man assured me that if I purchased the computer they would put a copy of Windows on it “so it could be useful.”

As others have commented, Linux is competing with free copies of Windows. Further, it lacks the games that the Chinese want (also free).

Free as in speech has no ring to the Chinese ear. The issue is broken down to choosing between two flavours of free beer.

You might be surprised to learn that there are already thousands of Ubuntu stores and Kiosks in China, selling laptops with Ubuntu preloaded. China was a natural fit for Canonical because it's already a bigger market for them than the US.

Re:This has been tried before (2)

RobertinXinyang (1001181) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242789)

Just to ask, where have you seen this? As in, what city and district?

I was in several computer markets (as you know, "store" does not quite describe the situation in a Chinese building of small shops) last weekend. I saw no linux.

That is not only in my city; but in the many I visit. If there is an Ubuntu store or Kosk in Shanghai I would like to know where it is, just so I can visit it (I am not in Shanghai; but, it is only a few hours travel away). I will also be in HK next week, near Wan Chi, If there are any in that district I would also be interested.

Re:This has been tried before (2)

YokoZar (1232202) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243573)

Just to ask, where have you seen this? As in, what city and district?

I was in several computer markets (as you know, "store" does not quite describe the situation in a Chinese building of small shops) last weekend. I saw no linux.

That is not only in my city; but in the many I visit. If there is an Ubuntu store or Kosk in Shanghai I would like to know where it is, just so I can visit it (I am not in Shanghai; but, it is only a few hours travel away). I will also be in HK next week, near Wan Chi, If there are any in that district I would also be interested.

I don't know where exactly, and even "thousands" scattered about China isn't particularly common. Admittedly, my information comes from statistics quoted in a presentation (alongside some pictures of the kiosks).

Re:This has been tried before (5, Interesting)

jellyfoo (2865315) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243551)

As others have commented, Linux is competing with free copies of Windows. Further, it lacks the games that the Chinese want (also free).

It's extremely frustrating when I see people pirate something when there are free alternatives. One could argue that the free/FOSS alternatives for certain classes of software aren't good enough, but there are enough cases nowadays where the quality of the free stuff is sufficient enough to make this something of a cop-out.

A Google engineer recently blogged about his experiences in Vietnam and how computer science was taught there (http://neil.fraser.name/news/2013/03/16/ [fraser.name]). The story itself is interesting enough (when it comes to computer science Vietnamese kids kick the ass of American students, to the point where half of the students in one particular grade 11 class could pass the Google interview process), but he mentions this:

By grade 3 they are learning to how to use Microsoft Windows. Vietnam is a 100% Windows XP monoculture. Probably all with the same serial number. However, given that a copy of Windows costs one month's salary, it's easy to understand.

Touch-typing is taught using Microsoft Word. As with all their software, it is in English, which adds to the difficulty at that age.

Linux/LibreOffice is free, and yet still ignored. Obviously they aren't concerned about the BSA breaking down their doors to arrest everyone (yet), but it'd be nice if more countries with limited funds learnt the same basic techniques with more open source software. If you can't even give away your software, then Microsoft clearly have nothing to fear.

Re:This has been tried before (1)

jandersen (462034) | 1 year,30 days | (#43244371)

The Chinese government tried pushing Linux in the past, research âoeRed Flagâ Linux. It was a failure.

Red Flag, as far as I remember, is a clone of Redhat; and while Redhat has many good qualities, it is more of a server OS and less of a desktop one. Ubuntu is not a favourite of mine either, but it is certainly bleeding edge, if anything, and wouldn't be at all surprised if this could actually take off with the Chinese. Put on top of that the fact that Linux's multiligual support is in fact superior to Windows'. No, I am quite optimistic about this.

Further, it lacks the games that the Chinese want (also free).

I don't know - when I watch my children's use of computer games, I can see that they clearly prefer the ones that are free, online and browser based. They seem to work on both Windows, MacOS and Linux.

I thnik most people's way of playing tends to be more something they do in between, like when waiting for the bus or whatever, and they like something that is more light entertainment rather than mind-blowing, all-absorbing, ultra-realistic etc.

Free as in speech has no ring to the Chinese ear. The issue is broken down to choosing between two flavours of free beer.

Yeah right, and they all look the same to you anyway, am I right? You just lost my respect.

Re:This has been tried before (1)

RobertinXinyang (1001181) | 1 year,30 days | (#43244581)

I don't know - when I watch my children's use of computer games, I can see that they clearly prefer the ones that are free, online and browser based. They seem to work on both Windows, MacOS and Linux.

They are not free because the developer intended them to be free, or browser based. They are free because they have been cracked and are available for free from numerous websites (on another note, that is part of the reason torrents never really caught on in China, the stuff can be downloaded from normal sites). Just do a search on Baidu; or check tudou.com.

Yeah right, and they all look the same to you anyway, am I right? You just lost my respect.

It is easy to cast aside observations that conflict with our values as the product of a mistaken mind; however, take note that I am the person who lives in China. I have done so since 2006. In addition to regular, daily contacts in an all Chinese environment I regularly read Chinese news and articles about attitudes of young Chinese (As it is important for me to do so for professional reasons). It might run into your Bias filter; but, surveys and studies have shown that the Chinese are not particularly interested in Politics and those that are, are generally turned off by American style freedom.

You might disrespect me because my years of observations conform to many studies; but conflict with your biases. However, that does not discount my years of observations and conversations. It also does not discount the work on this topic done by both the BBC and Al Jazeera or the Pew Research Center. In fact, all it does is shows that your bigotry interferes with your ability to absorb new information.

Oh, and they don't all look the same (although, funny enough, several of them, including a friend of many years, tell me that we all look the same to them. . . ).

Used to be OS/2 (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43241539)

Anyone else remember back in the mid-to-late-1990s when China standardized on OS/2? Everyone just ignored it and installed Windows anyway. Hopefully they'll have better luck this time.

Makes Sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43241547)

Those two go together like Hitler and Mussolini.

Red Flag / Qomo are supposed to what, pound sand? (2)

decora (1710862) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241575)

Red Flag and Qomo have huge followings in China. why are they basing on Ubuntu?

Re:Red Flag / Qomo are supposed to what, pound san (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243021)

Huge followings? Quite the opposite.

Re:Red Flag / Qomo are supposed to what, pound san (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43243823)

Possibly the difference is Canonical has a superstar jetset personality in front of it who's even been to space.

I'm not kidding. That'll help getting the crucial first few seconds of foot-in-door attention with mainstream people outside and inside government.

Also it's (sorta) South African. China is investing massively in Africa, and Africa has never been an Enemy. Together these are good hooks and waay better than from America/Finland and Stallman/Torvalis. Those are no hook at all.

This is enough, though flame me to a crisp for suggesting that Ubuntu may be better, too. _I_ don't like where they're heading these days, but their aggressive pursuit of future-leaning touchscreen masses may well be a really good plan for greater adoption.

Linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43241587)

This brings the perspective of a more widespread linux desktop & linux malware into a reality.

Goodbye Red Flag Linux? (1)

xyzio (1470567) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241629)

I wonder what happened to Red Flag Linux? Red Flag was China's official Linux distro and was supposed to replace Microsoft Windows. Interesting that China is partnering with a U.S. company when they are trying to be independent in all other arenas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Linux [wikipedia.org]

Pretty smart (5, Insightful)

stewsters (1406737) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241671)

This is actually a pretty good move for China. China can't trust all the signed binaries from Microsoft , especially after the Microsoft certificates were used to sign the flame malware. With all the cyber-saber-rattling in Washington, its possible they could do the same thing to China with a Chinese Language patch. This way at lest you can compile the source yourself and check for weird additions.

In exchange for this, Ubuntu should become a lot more popular in a country that is currently producing the most volume of Unix systems. For us Linux users, it means that more drivers will be available before release, and they will continue to manufacture motherboards that don't require us to secure boot into Windows 8. I just hope any espionage China uses on its own people doesn't get committed back into the Ubuntu repo.

Re:Pretty smart (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242097)

good point, most of electronic products are produced on china so this move will help positively to get first hand linux support :)

I'm sure China has the Windows source (3, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242495)

It is not the big secret people think it is. Many institutions, including research universities, have a copy. They have a program specially for governments, the Government Security Program.

I mean do you really think the NSA, one of the most institutionally paranoid places there is, would allow Windows to be used if they couldn't audit it? Not hardly.

MS's page on that kind of thing is here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sharedsource/default.aspx [microsoft.com]

So if China wants it, I'm sure they have it. I think this is more of a "We have to have our own thing since China Strong!" and crap like that. China seems to have ego issues about not having home grown stuff (they aren't they only country that does) and wants to have their own everything. However turns out they aren't always equipped to develop it from scratch, so they often start with something else.

Similar to their "Loongson" microprocessor. It was to be a Chinese CPU, home grown and all that. In actuality they ripped off, and then later licensed, the MIPS architecture and it is a MIPS64 based chip running at 1GHz on a 65nm process.

This sounds similar. "Hey we want an OS, but writing one from scratch is a ton of work and we don't really have enough of the skillset around to do it well. So let's get a Linux distro to start on, and then make it our 'own'."

Re:I'm sure China has the Windows source (3, Insightful)

Squiggle (8721) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243565)

Does anyone compile their own Windows? If you don't compile it then the source code that you see is just for show.

Hm, I am curious if orgs like the NSA do compile the source and compare their binary to the official one, they wouldn't have a licence to distribute if the binaries differed, but if they were identical that seems pretty safe. If you're serious about security you compile and distribute your own version of the software yourself.

I wonder if Shuttleworth knows what he's doing (2)

Mister Liberty (769145) | 1 year,30 days | (#43241851)

After all, 60% of the name Kylin has the word Linux shining through.

Re:I wonder if Shuttleworth knows what he's doing (1)

jc42 (318812) | 1 year,30 days | (#43242709)

I was wondering what sort of Chinese name "Kylin" is. It doesn't match Mandarin spelling patterns. Anyone know what the characters are? And how a Mandarin speaker might pronounce it?

Re:I wonder if Shuttleworth knows what he's doing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242993)

I was wondering what sort of Chinese name "Kylin" is.

Chinese official: "So what is the price of Ubuntu? Windows cost 125 US dollars"

Shuttleworth: "It's free! Absolutely free, unlike Windows. You can install it on as many computers as you like."

Chinese official: "No, I mean how much is Ubuntu worth?"

Shuttleworth: "It... oh.... well, it's at least as good as Windows, so I'll say $135".

Chinese official: "Hahaha, we are going to make a Kylin".

post around 11:20

Re:I wonder if Shuttleworth knows what he's doing (5, Informative)

Zanadou (1043400) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243009)

It's a "qílín" ("qinlin", if Slashdot eats the markup): a mythical Chinese creature that is "said to appear with the imminent arrival or passing of a wise sage or an illustrious ruler." Make of that, what you will.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin [wikipedia.org]

Oh... I've just thought of something interesting: I wonder if the name (as a "creature") was also choosen as a counter-force to the Chinese Grass Mud Horse [wikipedia.org] meme of a little while ago??

Oh, well done Chinese leaders, well done. /slowgolfclap

as long as it runs MSIE6 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242005)

From using Chinese websites I thought their reference OS is Windows XP with MSIE 6. Try getting any Chinese banking or e-payment systems work on a non MSIE browser...good luck!

Re:as long as it runs MSIE6 (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242409)

Wonder how the BOC (Bank of China) USB Dongle will work

Embrace and Extend (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242579)

Just hope it doesn't turn into FORKylin

reply (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242813)

Yeah, China is large market.

Unless China invests in freedom this will fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43242999)

People see GNU/Linux as this thing that is available at zero dollars and will magically cut costs. That isn't how it works in the real world. The way you utilize it to cut costs is by investing in the pieces which aren't working for you and after which the software can be utilized in a more efficient manor to cut licensing/support costs/etc. Free software is important and if you just see it as a dollars issue your never going to be able to take advantage of it to its full potential.

mohd uP (-1)

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It's about the phones, stupid (1)

devloop (983641) | 1 year,30 days | (#43243161)

Why Ubuntu would even care to target mobile phones makes a lot of sense now. This could give Ubuntu an unfair advantage over Android.

Where's the announcement from China? (1)

Animats (122034) | 1 year,30 days | (#43244065)

Where's the announcement from China? Canonical has a long history of bullshit announcements that some big vendor is going to use their product. They've made that claim in the past for both Asus and Dell. In both cases, the Canonical product never appeared on those platforms, or was a very minor niche announcement.

I'm not finding any announcement about this on China government sites. However, the Ministry of Information Industry Software and Integrated Circuit Promotion Center [csip.org.cn] is listed by Microsoft as an Microsoft Embedded Partner. [microsoft.com]

Here's a recent policy announcement on open source from CSIP. [google.com] They encourage using Linux, but Canonical is not mentioned. The action agency on this is the "China Innovative Strategic Alliance for Open Source", but I'm not seeing them associated with Canonical.

First time submitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#43244377)

is this just another type of first post? Who cares, how often the guy submitted something ...

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