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GCC 4.8.0 Release Marks Completion of C++ Migration

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the gnu-and-shiny dept.

GNU is Not Unix 269

hypnosec writes "GCC 4.8.0 has been released (download), and with it, the developers of the GNU Compiler Collection have switched to C++ as the implementation language, a project the developers have been working for years. Licensed under the GPLv3 or later, version 4.8.0 of the GCC not only brings with it performance improvements but also adds memory error detector AddressSanitizer, and race condition detection tool the ThreadSanitizer. Developers wanting to build their own version of GCC should have at their disposal a C++ compiler that understands C++ 2003."

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Useless if it can't compile my HOSTS files (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252247)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]

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APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]

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Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]

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I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]

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You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]

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oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]

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"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]

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"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]

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"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]

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Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]

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you have a point - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]

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I do admire that level of dedication. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]

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I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]

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I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
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Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts I practice.

Re:Useless if it can't compile my HOSTS files (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252493)

for the love of fuck, please stop spamming this.. it has to be the least coherent thing I've read on the net since jeffk.

captcha: queerly - how fitting

Re:Useless if it can't compile my HOSTS files (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252957)

Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver.

Re:Useless if it can't compile my HOSTS files (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253607)

only if it's the justifier hooked up to a sega cd.

Congrats to the poster and editor (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252263)

For not using the word "dog food" in the summary.

Re:Congrats to the poster and editor (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252333)

That's two words...

Re:Congrats to the poster and editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252345)

Oops I meant to click 'Funny' but hit 'Overrated' instead, sorry! /modfail

Re:Congrats to the poster and editor (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252895)

Oops I meant to click 'Funny' but hit 'Overrated' instead, sorry! /modfail

I don't think it undoes your mod if you tick "Post Anonymously". At least it doesn't warn you of this like it does if you try to post regularly.

Re:Congrats to the poster and editor (4, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253057)

For not using the word "dog food" in the summary.

This isn't Microsoft, so that would be more like "cat food" - FLOSS developers are more like cats (they're difficult to Hurd, or how you spell it).

0xF1A57 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252269)

...

chicken or egg? (1)

scarboni888 (1122993) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252319)

You need to compile this compiler with a compiler which begs the question....

How was the first compiler compiled?

Re:chicken or egg? (5, Informative)

Jeremi (14640) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252361)

How was the first compiler compiled?

With an assembler. (of course, real men didn't need an assembler, they toggled in the hexadecimal opcodes directly in hex, using a hickory switch and a quart of whiskey)

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

jthill (303417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252515)

I don't remember any front panel ever using hickory switches.

Re:chicken or egg? (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252741)

My supervisor held the hickory switch while I was manning the AN/UYK-7. Manfully.

Re:chicken or egg? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252547)

Hexadecimal? You kids and your newfangled contraptions. Back in my day, we had to use BINARY, and we were always running out of 1's so we had to take the 0's to the blacksmith and have them cut down and straightened before we could use them.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

jnork (1307843) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252883)

We had to carve our own ICs out of wood.

Re:chicken or egg? (3, Informative)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252891)

Puhlease. Octal. On the front panel of a PDP-8e.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252907)

Binary ?? You kids and your newfangled contraptions. Back in my day, we only had 0's. If and when we wanted or needed a 1, a very rare case indeed, we put two infinities of 0's together to make a 1. As simple as that.

Re:chicken or egg? (0)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253687)

You kids must be to young to remember the MITS Altair 8800 [wikipedia.org] ... before keyboards it was indeed a switch aluminum though...

Re:chicken or egg? (4, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252947)

Back in '87 in my assembly language class, which was on some ancient DEC machine (Think it was a PDP 11-03 or something,) our instructor gave us all a sheet with the bootstrap code we had to type in, in octal, to make the system jump to the OS instructions on our 8" floppy disks. He showed us how to use a table in our assembly language book to convert assembly code to machine code by hand. If all you're looking at is a slab of iron (Arrhn!) that's where you start! It's a little intimidating imagining having to start with nothing but a table of opcodes and a slab of raw iron that you can enter bits into somehow. I'd think you'd want a basic program loader, so you could save the assembler that you carve out of opcodes. Once you have your assembler stored on disk, you can write your initial C compiler (Not the standard library mind you, just the compiler!) At some point along the way, you compile EMACS.

Of course, all those pokes in the back of Compute! magazine were really just hand-converted machine instructions to be stuffed into specific areas of memory, but I didn't realize that at the time. I forget exactly when I finally made that association. I think it was during that assembly class; I was like "Oh, the number is just an opcode! Derp!" I probably could have squeezed a lot more interesting stuff out of my first computer (A TI 99/4A) if I'd know that at the time.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253183)

Intimidating? That sounds like a blast!

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

wallsg (58203) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253763)

Back in '87 in my assembly language class, which was on some ancient DEC machine (Think it was a PDP 11-03 or something,) our instructor gave us all a sheet with the bootstrap code we had to type in, in octal, to make the system jump to the OS instructions on our 8" floppy disks. He showed us how to use a table in our assembly language book to convert assembly code to machine code by hand. If all you're looking at is a slab of iron (Arrhn!) that's where you start! It's a little intimidating imagining having to start with nothing but a table of opcodes and a slab of raw iron that you can enter bits into somehow. I'd think you'd want a basic program loader, so you could save the assembler that you carve out of opcodes. Once you have your assembler stored on disk, you can write your initial C compiler (Not the standard library mind you, just the compiler!) At some point along the way, you compile EMACS.

Sounds like what I did around 1985 on a Data General Nova, except the bootstrap was to a paper tape which we punched to contain the code that read Block 0 from the disk and then jumped to it. I seem to recall no backspace on the tape punch, but that was a long time ago. It may have let you edit input before punching.

Re:chicken or egg? (0)

bosef1 (208943) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253087)

Hickory switches? A real man toggles his machine code in with his dick. We do it in octal, 'cause that's what seperates us from the animals.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253231)

And then when the operator comes looking for you to fix something, you can be all like "That aint my program! Shit doesn't even look like my code! A lot of dudes we're typing in all sorts of things there, go find one of them!"

Re:chicken or egg? (4, Informative)

WWJohnBrowningDo (2792397) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252373)

It wasn't. It was written in assembly language and was converted into machine code by an assembler.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

scarboni888 (1122993) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252435)

You make it sound so easy.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252805)

"Everything's easy when you know how to do it."--me

Re:chicken or egg? (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252377)

It is like everything in modern life... how do you build a lathe without a lathe? Or a generator without electricity? It would take a thousand years to start from nothing and get back to where we are now.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252475)

This is something I often wonder about.
Shouldn't we have some book that explains how to quickly bootstrap ourselves back to current levels of civilization?

Re:chicken or egg? (4, Insightful)

qbast (1265706) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252703)

Could we? Easily accessible deposits of any useful ore or fuel has been mined out ages ago. We could find ourselves in situation when we need resources to build tools, but without those tools we cannot access resources.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

Kielistic (1273232) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252963)

Yes it has been mined and is now conveniently placed on the surface instead of buried beneath it. If we hit some global catastrophe all that ore and raw material isn't going to vaporise (unless of course that was the catastrophe). If we have to melt down some sky scrapers for ore so be it.

Re:chicken or egg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253385)

Except of course for fossil fuels. Charcoal will only get you so far.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253439)

And there's a distinct shortage of people who even know how to make charcoal.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253169)

Could we? Easily accessible deposits of any useful ore or fuel has been mined out ages ago. We could find ourselves in situation when we need resources to build tools, but without those tools we cannot access resources.

There are still large virgin deposits of flint should that be necessary.

Re:chicken or egg? (3, Interesting)

demonlapin (527802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252755)

Dave Gingery's books [gingerybooks.com] will get you a machine shop. That's a good start. (The first thing you build is a charcoal foundry. The second is a lathe.)

There are also blacksmithing groups where you can learn how to make things with iron. Presumably any post-apocalyptic society will have ample supplies of scrap iron to work with.

How to boot up civilization (1, Offtopic)

Animats (122034) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252773)

Shouldn't we have some book that explains how to quickly bootstrap ourselves back to current levels of civilization?

Such information was collected in the 1950s, stored on microfiche, and copies provided to major US fallout shelters, along with a reader that only needed sunlight. I have no idea where to get that now.

There's a classic set of books, Build Your Own Metalworking Shop From Scrap [amazon.com] , by David Gingery, just for this purpose. The first book, Build Your Own Charcoal Foundry, starts the process. The books do assume there's plenty of metal scrap around; you're not expected to start from ore.

Getting up to pre-WWII levels from very little can be done. Much of Europe and Japan had to do it after WWII. Although many of the skills have been lost. How many people today can operate a lathe?

Re:How to boot up civilization (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253455)

That depends how competently you want it operated - I was taught to use one at school (both metal lathes and wood turning lathes). I was never that good it, of course.

Re:How to boot up civilization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253685)

That's a pretty critical point. The level of professionalism in "blue collar" jobs has increased enormously. There once was a time when people regularly had fingers lopped off and nobody thought twice about it. Our tolerance for accidents is dramatically lower than it once was. That's why so few people have experience operating these machines. Imagine if everybody had to go to school for 6 months of intensive training before being allowed to drive a car. A lot fewer people would be driving cars, and people would expect much more professionalism from car drivers. And we'd all be more scared of them as dangerous machines.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Carewolf (581105) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252787)

It would take a thousand years to start from nothing and get back to where we are now.

Not quite. Since we already have the informations there are many many short-cuts and tricks that could cut that time down to a few decades. Of course the end of civilization as we know it and the struggle for resources while the majority of the population dies off, could get in the way of progress and easily ten double that guesstimate, but then we are talking hypothetical here, so...

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252833)

It is like everything in modern life... how do you build a lathe without a lathe? Or a generator without electricity? It would take a thousand years to start from nothing and get back to where we are now.

I think you vastly underestimate how much time and effort has been spent on pursuits that were futile or that were technically possible but nobody had discovered or knew the usefulness of doing. If the technology was already described to us we'd advance far more rapidly and planned. I'd expect a reboot to Amish levels in 100 years, the 1950s in another 50 and catching up to today 50 years after that at most.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253427)

Rubbish. Our ancestors invented those things you cited without prior knowledge, and in about 100 years, (from 1750 onwards).
Lookup the industrial revolution.

You seriously think we could not start "from nothing" (apart from our accumulated knowledge) and not have a lathe going in a few decades?

Of course, if you mean "starting again from plankton", well, that took a lot more time than 1000 years.

Re:chicken or egg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252387)

It was made with an assembler obviously.

Re:chicken or egg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252391)

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(compilers)

Re:chicken or egg? (5, Informative)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252449)

You need to compile this compiler with a compiler which begs the question....

Sigh. It raises the question. To "beg the question" means something completely different. Here is a simple rule of thumb of when that phrase should be used: never.

How was the first compiler compiled?

The first compilers (Fortran and Lisp) were written in assembler. Later compilers were written in Lisp or Fortran.

New languages can be bootstrapped by first implementing a sufficient subset, and then expanding it. Ken Thompson explains this process (and how to subvert the process) in his Turing Award lecture on Trusting Trust. [bell-labs.com]

Re:chicken or egg? (5, Insightful)

Laxori666 (748529) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252509)

Enough people use the term "beg the question" this way that I've just gotten used to it by now. It doesn't bother me anymore. It's over, man. The war is lost. It's in common use now. Rewire the part of your brain that gets annoyed by it. You will be happier in the long run.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252821)

Indeed, the market "responded back."

Re:chicken or egg? (3, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252933)

Screw that. I'm going to continue pulling people up on this one irregardless.

Re:chicken or egg? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253699)

Sadist. :)

Re:chicken or egg? (4, Insightful)

alexo (9335) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253403)

Enough people use the term "beg the question" this way that I've just gotten used to it by now. It doesn't bother me anymore. It's over, man. The war is lost. It's in common use now.

The problem with that approach is that you lose an important idiom that doesn't have a good substitute.

So, no, some things in the language are worth preserving (at least until a suitable alternative is found).

Rewire the part of your brain that gets annoyed by it. You will be happier in the long run.

You can educate people about the beauty of the language without being annoyed.

You know what, English is my 3rd language. I only moved into an English-speaking country when I was in my 30s, and if I can appreciate its richness, I'm pretty sure that a native speaker can do so as well.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

Livius (318358) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252589)

Sigh. It raises the question. To "beg the question" means something completely different. Here is a simple rule of thumb of when that phrase should be used: never.

"Beg" is just (in the context of questions) an old-fashioned word for 'ask'.

The problem is people use it to mean
a) an answer that merely restates the question (asking the same question a second time)
or
b) an answer that is incomplete without the answer to an immediate follow-up question (providing a deficient answer that merely raises a trivially new question without having provided any useful information).

The ambiguity is annoying.

Though not as much as other people overreacting to it.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Charles Duffy (2856687) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252869)

"Beg" is just (in the context of questions) an old-fashioned word for 'ask'.

"Beg the question" is shorthand for "beggar the question" -- to make it worthless by depriving it of its value (as, in this context, it is provided with an answer ready-made).

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253487)

I think it's shorthand for "bugger the questioner", i.e. if someone asks you a question, you sodomize them. It's some sort of British thing, I guess.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

Charles Duffy (2856687) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252897)

To amend my prior answer with an actual reference -- see http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beg-the-question.html [phrases.org.uk]

On the subject of the reliability of said source:

While no reference work is able to claim its content is 100% definitive, every effort has been made to include here only information that is verifiable as correct. The content is researched to published book standards. The sources used in the research are twofold, either primary sources or trusted references. The primary sources include newspaper cuttings, books, films, photographic archives etc. The trusted reference sources are those that themselves derive from primary sources and have sufficient reputation to be considered reliable. These include, The Oxford English Dictionary, Second Edition, The Historial Dictionary of American Slang, First Edition, The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, 5th Edition, Partridge's A Dictionary of Slang, 8th Edition. In addition to these are numerous reference works and databases which, although not in themselves definitive, provide a rich source of stimulation; for example, Cotgrave's A Dictionarie of the French and English Tongues, Hotten's Slang Dictionary and many others.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252623)

The stupidity of complaining about the phrase "beg the question" is just dumb.

Re:chicken or egg? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252759)

The stupidity of complaining about the phrase "beg the question" is just dumb.

Why would that be ?
Learning to read and WRITE properly should be a given. I'd guess it's too high a standard to strive for these days.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

TimHunter (174406) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252841)

Sigh. It raises the question. To "beg the question" means something completely different. Here is a simple rule of thumb of when that phrase should be used: never.

Thank you. I've been wondering if I was the only person left who cares.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253043)

C as the language was extremely handy because C was ubiquitous. C++ is a lot less common. Building new GCCs could be painful for a lot of people, probably have to build earlier GCC compilers first just to be able to build the later version. They should have labelled this 5.0.0 to mark a firm dividing line.

Re:chicken or egg? (2)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253111)

Building new GCCs could be painful for a lot of people, probably have to build earlier GCC compilers first just to be able to build the later version.

There is no need for that. You just use a cross compiler [wikipedia.org] . You only need to bootstrap a language once.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

ld a,b (1207022) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253423)

The first build of the compiler used to bootstrap everything else was helpfully provided by the CIA's new Amazon cloud.
Next time you run mingw stay alert for the "'login' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file" warnings during compilation.

Re:chicken or egg? (1)

Clueless Moron (548336) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253695)

You need to compile this compiler with a compiler which begs the question....

Sigh. It raises the question. To "beg the question" means something completely different. Here is a simple rule of thumb of when that phrase should be used: never.

Here's an honest, no trolling, I'm just curious question: when was the last time your heard "begs the question" used to mean "this is a circular argument"?

All right, (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252329)

This should be in the Debian repositories by the end of the decade.

Already in experimental (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252489)

http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=experimental&searchon=names&keywords=GCC [debian.org] Its already in experimental....which is where it belongs. Debian is all about stable, which is kind of the point, but if its not hitting it fast enough, there are a whole host of linux options available to you...like Ubuntu.

Nice new feature (5, Interesting)

EvanED (569694) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252521)

From the changelog: "A new general optimization level, -Og, has been introduced. It addresses the need for fast compilation and a superior debugging experience while providing a reasonable level of runtime performance. Overall experience for development should be better than the default optimization level -O0."

This actually sounds really attractive to me... I'll have to try it out.

Re:Nice new feature (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252671)

It's for use by O.G k-rad l33t c0d3rZ only..

Re:Nice new feature (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253113)

A new general optimization level, -Og, has been introduced. It addresses the need for fast compilation and a superior gangsta experience while providing no need to use an AK.

Re:Nice new feature (5, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253255)

A new general optimization level, -Og, has been introduced. It addresses the need for fast compilation and a superior gangsta experience while providing no need to use an AK.

It sounds like today was a good day.

It gets around (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252605)

[GUARD #1] Are you suggesting compilers migrate?
[ARTHUR] Not at all, they could be carried.

Re:It gets around (0)

colinrichardday (768814) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253761)

Arthur: They could grip it by the source code.

Guard: It's not a question of grip; it's a question of executable ratios!

RHEL version? (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252743)

Anyone know when RedHat is going to make a version of devtoolset which offers GCC 4.8?

Yessssss! (4, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252803)

Now! Witness the power of this FULLY OPERATIONAL C++ Compiler! Muahahahahahaha! Erm... damn it... what's the flag for debug symbols again?

Re:Yessssss! (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253507)

-g?

Does it dance yet? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252831)

From Wikipedia:

> LLVM was originally intended to use GCC's front end, but GCC turned out to cause some problems for both the LLVM developers and Apple. GCC is a large and somewhat cumbersome system to develop; as one long-time GCC developer put it, "Trying to make the hippo dance is not really a lot of fun"[7] and a Google Summer of Code intern commented, "Reading GCC codebase has been a hard exercise for me. In fact it's the only project I know of that becomes more and more difficult as time passes."[8]

I'm just wondering, is this still the case? It sounds like they haven't changed much of anything, merely ported their codebase to C++. Am I correct in assuming that the above is still true or is this new version supposed to usher in a new era of GCC prosperity and usability on things other then the command line?

Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (2)

snikulin (889460) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252851)

Can it be used for non-OSS development and releases of compiled binaries to a customer?
It's not trolling, I really need to know (embedded dev here).

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (2)

thirdpoliceman (1350013) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252987)

I was going to say yes, and I'm fairly sure the answer is yes. But, I have not read the GPL3, so I do not really know the difference between it an GPL2. It seems unlikely that they would force people to release code under an open source license because you compiled it with GCC. In fact, that is probably not possible because you own the copyright on your code and any compiler should be able to make it work (depending on portability). So, I would say yes, you can compile non-OSS projects with GCC 4.8.0.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253191)

Problem are the required libraries which form the C runtime environment and are part of the compiler system. Pure GPL compilers would only be allowed for open source programs but GCC was up to now GPL2 with an additional linking exception. I assume but didn't check that GCC 4.8 uses GPL3 with a linking exception.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (1)

thirdpoliceman (1350013) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253527)

I'm not sure how compiling my copyrighted work with a program would force me to change its copyright to GPL3. The GPL has to be applied to the source code, and this requires the creators of binary distributions of the source code to provide the source for the binaries. I do not think the GPL3 could make a binary created by GCC 4.8.0 count as covered under the GPL because the GPL isn't applied to binaries its is applied to source code. I am almost 100% certainly GCC 4.8.0 can't make my source code use the GPL. That is something I, as the copyright owner, have to do. Perhaps there is some weird language in the GPL3 that says by using GCC 4.8.0 I, by default, am assigning the GPL3 to my code, but that seems unlikely. I will take the time to read the GPL3 this weekend.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253581)

But, I have not read the GPL3,

That hasn't stopped anyone else from trashing it.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253287)

Are you intending to distribute the compiler on your embedded device? That is about the only way it would matter and im guessing you are not.

Just like using an foss media encoder the license does not cover this.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253465)

The license [gnu.org] makes it perfectly clear that you can use the latest GCC on proprietary code. Specifically:

The purpose of this Exception is to allow compilation of non-GPL (including proprietary) programs to use, in this way, the header files and runtime libraries covered by this Exception.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253623)

If you don't know the answer to your question, you're not an embedded developer, you're an aspiring embedded developer. Anyone with any experience knows that GCC dominates in this area. Many GCC developers are employed by companies in the embedded industry.

There are many other embedded compiler vendors--some which may even ship more product---but none as singularly significant as GCC.

Re:Licensed under the GPLv3 or later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253827)

Spoken like someone who clearly is not an experienced embedded developer across numerous brands. GCC does not dominate this area. Thanks for playing.

C++ (1)

packrat0x (798359) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252865)

Apparently compiling speed is less important when using powerful CPUs and cross compiling for slower architectures.

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43252955)

i think any performance loss will be outweighed by the ability to write the compiler at a higher level
of abstraction. which for the end user means a compiler thats more stable and produces better code.

now if you want to argue whether or not c++ is the right language, i'm right there with you. but apparently
its what the developers were most comfortable with.

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253055)

Also, it appears that they actually improved the compiling speed if you read the change log. Notably, they removed a few bottlenecks in the compilation of large functions.

As is (nearly) always the case, the algorithms you use are typically much more important than the language you implement it in.

Interesting. But only in an academic way (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year and a half ago | (#43252993)

I am software developer and I don't really care in what language my compiler is written. It is more important for me that it compiles my code correctly and as fast as possible.

Re:Interesting. But only in an academic way (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253133)

.... and as fast as possible.

then you do care...

Re:Interesting. But only in an academic way (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253713)

Well-written C++ will outperform mediocre C, and in the documentation at the GCC site they explicitly plan to avoid using the C++ features that are slow.

So depending upon how much good C++ they write and how much mediocre C it replaces, the speed changes could be small.

ta3o (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253035)

sure that by the website. Mr. Ude AMERICA) is the Baby take my

anyone even using GCC anymore? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253293)

literally everyone I know has switched to something not communist in origin. Microsoft and Apple both make far superior compilers and i don't know any one who sticks with this freetard crap any more.

Re:anyone even using GCC anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253463)

Nice troll but Linux is still mostly compiled with GCC. Since Linux devices dominate non-Linux in numbers... yes GCC is still relevant, probably more so than other compilers. The world isn't exclusively desktop computing anymore. Get over it. Linux+GCC has practically taken over the world.

Re:anyone even using GCC anymore? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253503)

Right, you are apparently the last person unaware that LLVM is head and shoulders far far better. It makes better code and it compiles faster and it even makes better error messages. At this point anyone who uses gcc are just doing it out of habit or because they are ignorant of the MUCH better non-freetard alternatives. But let me guess, you are a big beliver in linsux on the desktop too, huh? DUMBASS.

Re:anyone even using GCC anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253591)

How many millions of devices are running software compiled with GCC all for the sake of for the sake of habit? LOL. Try harder, hairyfeet.

Re:anyone even using GCC anymore? (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253541)

I realize I'm feeding the troll, however I will note Microsoft don't make a C compiler, only a C++ one with historical C support: it only supports C as specified in C89, not C99 or C11. This can and does cause problems for people who try to use it to compile modern C source code.

GCC vs. CLang (1)

alexo (9335) | about a year and a half ago | (#43253419)

What is the current situation with GCC vs. CLang?

Re:GCC vs. CLang (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253615)

blows were landed, they both got tired, and now they're at the neighborhood watering hole
telling the story for the fourth time in increasingly slurred words

Re:GCC vs. CLang (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253631)

They're pretty equal. Some things compiled with GCC run better, others with CLang run better.

At this point (and I mean exactly this point, no comment for future potential,) it's mostly a matter of license, which is pretty much irrelivant for compilers since even the GPL's copyleft doesn't force you to go GPL to use their compiler.

To me it seems like the major motivation behind LLVM / Clang were to make a great open source compiler that wasn't GPL. They've succeeded, whether or not you agree with their intention is mostly politics.

Having competition is good in any case. I'm sure that while there are plenty of fanboys and zealots on each side, I wouldn't be surprised if the major players behind each compiler collection were pretty cordial with eachother.

Building GCC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43253567)

The summary states building GCC requires a compiler, but doesn't GCC bootstrap itself? Older versions were able to do so.

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