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Windows Blue 9364 Screenshots Show Feature Enhancements

timothy posted 1 year,25 days | from the suspect-most-leaks-are-by-design dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "As expected, a new pre-public version of Windows Blue (build 9364) has leaked online and it reveals a handful of features that are coming in the next big Microsoft Windows 8 update." Several sites have screenshots from the build; Hot Hardware says "Assuming this is all completely legitimate, the most obvious change pertains to the Metro UI, including greater flexibility in sizing Live Tiles and customizing the Start screen, particularly as the Personalize setting (among others, including Devices and Share) is now under the Settings charm. The Name Group feature for the Start menu looks a little more polished, too."

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And it still looks like (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266057)


Re:And it still looks like (4, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266179)

Unfortunately, I have to agree.

If they would have even hinted at bringing back the normal desktop, it would have been big news. Well, at least they didn't mandate ribbon menus on all applications written for Windows. But then, until they ditch Metro, I'm afraid that enterprise adoption will remain a little slow...

Re:And it still looks like (5, Insightful)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266417)

Windows 2000 desktop please..

Some of us just want to use a pc, not get entertained by dancing buttons and other crap.

Re:And it still looks like (5, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266665)

I can get around the start menu, I can get around the interface changes, I can even deal with the "control panel" not remembering my settings (I always have to select small icons), but until they fix Windows 8 to enable the reason for Windows existance, easy interface for multi-tasking... then they can literally fuck off.

Re:And it still looks like (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266673)

If they do ditch Metro and eliminate the Everything Must Have A Ribbon requirement in the next version of Windows, do you know what it will be called?

Windows 7.

Maybe they can call it Windows 7 Second Edition, or Windows 7 Please Forgive Us For The Metro Fiasco, or Windows Seven 2, Windows Boogaloo.

Maybe instead of making new versions of Windows, they should concentrate on making the vulnerabilities that Microsoft seems to have to patch every week or two in their designed-to-be-insecure software less frequent, with a goal of say... one major patch per year, instead of every day or two. In any case, I'm so glad I finally switched back to G/L.

Re:And it still looks like (5, Insightful)

spd_rcr (537511) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266203)

I keep getting suckered into this articles just to see if the failing PC market has finally forced them to pull their heads out of their *sses and reinstate the desktop by default and the start button...

Maybe I'd better luck wishing for some higher res displays as standard on notebooks... How is it that cell phones need 1080p displays, but for doing real work, 1366x768 is supposed to be great ?!

Perhaps your looking at the wrong OS. (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266319)

Maybe I'd better luck wishing for some higher res displays as standard on notebooks... How is it that cell phones need 1080p displays, but for doing real work, 1366x768 is supposed to be great ?!

...maybe you should look at a chromebook like the pixel. [2560 x 1700 at 239 PPI] which has a higher than 1080P resolution :)

http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebook-pixel/ [google.com]

Re:Perhaps your looking at the wrong OS. (2, Insightful)

besalope (1186101) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266503)

The Chromebook Pixel is a laptop that brings together the best in hardware, software, and design to inspire future innovation.

While using an Intel 4000 integrated graphics chipset... pass.

Re:Perhaps your looking at the wrong OS. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266561)

Yes, the Chromebook hardware looks great, if it ran a proper OS I'd be interested.

Re:And it still looks like (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266569)

Well, why don't you stop being a cheap ass and get a rMBP instead of buying shitty asian netbooks off newegg...

Re: And it still looks like (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266657)


Re:And it still looks like (1, Interesting)

westlake (615356) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266631)

I keep getting suckered into this articles just to see if the failing PC market has finally forced them to pull their heads out of their *sses and reinstate the desktop by default and the start button...

It may be my aging eyes.

But I have left the Start menu behind with no regrets and I very much like the look and feel of the best Metro/Modern Apps.

No touch screen. No touch mouse. No problems.

Re:And it still looks like (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266327)

>Multicolored shit

Re:And it still looks like (1)

flimflammer (956759) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266347)

No kidding. But their heads are too far up their asses at this point to understand that this direction they're going is not popular.

Honestly, if we're not going to ever get Aero back (which is fine), they could at last have the decency to give us the classic look back instead of this monotone nonsense that just blends into everything.

I loathe the day none of this ever gets better and I end up one of those holdouts like people who were still clutching to XP when Windows 7 was released.

Re:And it still looks like (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266435)

They're going to keep heading that direction, and the old desktop is going to go away. The problem with the old desktop is that they don't get 30% of the cost of every piece of software installed on it. They they people will knuckle under and pay it, because their only choices other than Windows is Apple, who will most likely have the same app store lock-in in OSX by then as well, and Linux. They figure the extra money is worth the loss of customers. Personally, I'm hoping there is a rush to Linux and they die a horrible death, but I'm probably overly optimistic.

Re:And it still looks like (2)

RazorSharp (1418697) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266449)

I loathe the day none of this ever gets better and I end up one of those holdouts like people who were still clutching to XP when Windows 7 was released.

Why don't you just run Wine on Linux? That way you can stay up to date and run those pesky few Windows apps you need. If you can get away with relying on an outdated version of Windows for the work you do then you can probably do it on Linux.

Re:And it still looks like (3, Informative)

fyngyrz (762201) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266505)

Why don't you just run Wine on Linux?

Because Wine is broken? I mean, other than that, well sure.

Me, I run XP in a VM. Works fine. I don't let it on the Internet because, well, it's Windows, and Microsoft has trained me not to trust them... but other than that, does everything I want it to. Office, my legit copy of developer studio, image processing apps, testing the Windows version of the software I develop... Do the same thing with linux, for that matter, except it's well designed enough not to hose itself just because there is a network connection.

Virtual machines: For those of us who are tired of solutions that don't work very well.

Re:And it still looks like (1)

Pi Is A Rational (1106177) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266581)

The biggest thing that stops me from that is running Winamp with DSP plugins in WINE. However, one laptop upstairs runs Debian full time. Mostly for streaming stuff into VLC Player or other similar movie players.

monotone (2)

mcswell (1102107) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266559)

"...this monotone nonsense that just blends into everything." Are you referring to the fact that looking at an MsOffice doc, you can't tell whether it has the focus or not? I think the top bar changes slightly, but ever so slightly; I have to look at the other apps I have open to see if any of them has focus. If they don't, then I assume Word (or whatever) has focus.

Re: monotone (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266691)

If you're that unsure, just click in the window.

Horrible Horrible Name (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266061)

The only connection people already know between Windows and Blue is the Blue Screen of Death. In fact, it took me a minute to realize this wasn't about 9364 screenshots of BSODs.

Re:Horrible Horrible Name (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266101)

I concur. Was imperative to read the summary, until then I was looking forward to seeing the advancements in the BSOD.

blah blah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266063)

Does anyone who matters really care at this point?

Re:blah blah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266207)

oh right.....I forgot slashdot and its mods are bought and paid for.....

Nobody cares (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266065)

Really they don't.

Wish Bill Gates was back, he'd fix that mess of an os.

Instead he's off the deep end trying to test condoms.

Re:Nobody cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266375)

Like working for Gates as a condom tester would be a terrible gig...

Re:Nobody cares (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266623)

Like working for Gates as a condom tester would be a terrible gig...

Dude... you don't know what you're saying- there are all kinds of ways that might not work out the way you're imagining.

Charms? Live Tiles? (5, Insightful)

ThorGod (456163) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266067)

As a Win7 user, did anyone else feel completely lost reading the summary?

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (4, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266259)

Not lost per se, but only because I had to endure a bit of a tour (my last employer was a Microsoft Premier/Platinum/Perpetual/etc partner - they drink the koolaid by the tankerload.)

All I can say is, thanks to a recent layoff and job search, I was able to quickly winnow out the intelligent IT departments from the flaming morons. The ones with intelligence are holding off on W8 until either Microsoft fixes that Metro garbage into usability, or a decent 3rd-party enterprise-ready UI bolt-on comes into play. Their explanations as to why ranged from the standard 'wait-forever-before bothering', to some very reasoned responses that made perfect sense (mostly revolving around training costs, incompatibilities, and etc) The one prospective employer I avoided with haste is busy trialing W8 among their IT folk for a push out to their users starting at the end of this quarter, but with little regard to testing with users outside their IT department.

In-depth grilling into how they think and react as a department is a must if you can do it. It reveals a lot about what you're walking into, but the trick is to blow past the buzzwords and get them to really explain it.

(My views may be a bit biased though - I'm finally going back into Linux administration with a kick-ass new employer...)

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (2)

yuhong (1378501) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266293)

I don't think MS particularly cares. Getting the corporate world to move away from XP is much more important to them as it is going out of support, and even MS admits finishing the move to Win7 is much more important.

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (4, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266381)

I can agree to that, but only to an extent - doing so would show that Microsoft is playing a short game, not a long one.

Win7 will likely hang around enterprises for at least the next 5-7 years (or more) if this is the case, but then what? An "enterprise" version that has the familiar desktop?

I'm not seeing anyone, not even Microsoft, demanding that the workplace convert over to touch-screen UIs, even in a distant future. The reason why is as close as the nearest heavy user of Excel...

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (1)

yuhong (1378501) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266403)

Good point. Ultimately MS will decide what to do, but I have been thinking about limiting the Start menu to Pro and Server editions for a while now.

Excel? What? (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266545)

The reason why is as close as the nearest heavy user of Excel...

Win7? Huh? (checks Excel under XP, still works just fine, just like yesterday, as does the rest of Office)

No, still no need for Win7. [goes back to sleep]

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (2)

Holistic Missile (976980) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266401)

It may be interesting next year, when XP goes EOL.

This is the first OS that MS can just kill-switch via WGA. It will be interesting to see if they are desperate enough to do something that stupid.

It came to mind for me a couple of weeks ago, when I was having trouble with my internet connection, and had no connection for several days. (It turned out to be the cable drop to my house.) MSE started squawking about being unable to verify Windows was genuine, told me to fuck off, and it just shut down. It didn't start up again until my connection was restored. What if they did this with Windows XP? That would force users to upgrade, or change to a different platform entirely.

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (1)

yuhong (1378501) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266423)

Yea, I still remember what Adobe had to do when the activation server for CS2 was taken down.

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (2)

Holistic Missile (976980) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266525)

I didn't know about that - but it's kinda funny! Thanks!

They put a cracked version of their own software on their website with a serial number. After all the extra work of putting in the phone-home activation system. Priceless!

XP EOL... death of XP? (2)

fyngyrz (762201) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266567)

I dunno how they could do that with XP, as I've not given an Internet connection to its VM.

You can't trust Windows on the net; and you can't trust Microsoft, period.

Re:XP EOL... death of XP? (2)

yuhong (1378501) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266605)

Activation requires an Internet connection or the telephone method, unless it is the volume licensing version.

Re:XP EOL... death of XP? (1)

Holistic Missile (976980) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266615)

Come to think of it, I should have put the word 'possibly' in there somewhere...

I haven't used XP in years, and only used OEM versions when I did - I don't really know how aggressive its WGA checking is. Of course, the final update patch could add any functionality...

Re:XP EOL... death of XP? (1)

yuhong (1378501) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266645)

What is built into the OS is only activation. The other stuff was added much later via updates and built-in checking inside MS software installers.

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266267)

No, you're not the only one. And as far as I'm concerned, it's still crap.

Windows 7 is a great operating system that no-one had to completely relearn to use.

It's like the ribbon. It's a huge change for a tiny (if any) improvement that has cost the corporate world millions in lost productivity as people can't find where commands have been hidden, and totally confused non-tech-savvy users who don't even own a smartphone.

Re:Charms? Live Tiles? (2)

roman_mir (125474) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266701)

When I switched to a GNU/Linux distro on the desktop, Windows OS was still sane (XP), since then I had to use a newer Windows machine a few of times, it confuses the shit out of me, I am not joking. The GUI paradigm has changed so much in any Windows past XP, it's not that I don't like it, I can't use it (and that means I don't like it). To me the new Windows is like Macintosh of the old but even worse in terms of figuring out what's where.

Mint Mate with is what I understand now, I guess I got stuck in one GUI paradigm and can't... no, I don't want to change it.

Idiocracy! (5, Interesting)

DigiShaman (671371) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266079)

Christ almighty! Would someone please tell Microsoft that Windows 8 is a content consumption platform whereas the corporate world needs a multi-tasking UI. This is fucking bullshit!

Re:Idiocracy! (0)

lucm (889690) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266127)

People want to upload pictures on Facebook and comment on infotainment articles. The fact that there is a permanent "Share" widget in Windows 8 speaks volume.

Resistance is futile. If you are in the corporate world then jump on the cloud bandwagon and build idiot-proof SaaS solutions or perish.

Re:Idiocracy! (1, Insightful)

gagol (583737) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266141)

Guess what? Consumers generally consumes content on their computers... you know, the vast majority of human beings.

Re:Idiocracy! (3, Interesting)

JDG1980 (2438906) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266199)

Guess what? Consumers generally consumes content on their computers... you know, the vast majority of human beings.

And most of those consumers have already largely switched to smartphones and tablets. In a vain attempt to win them back, Microsoft has sacrificed their competitive advantage with business users – you know, the ones who actually pay the vast majority of their licensing fees...

Its still a monopoly.... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266349)

Guess what? Consumers generally consumes content on their computers... you know, the vast majority of human beings.

And most of those consumers have already largely switched to smartphones and tablets. In a vain attempt to win them back, Microsoft has sacrificed their competitive advantage with business users – you know, the ones who actually pay the vast majority of their licensing fees...

Its kind of sad really that that Desktop monopoly is so hard to break, Microsoft keeps throwing its customers...and its partners under the bus, just to do it again. Its ironic that both of these groups are moving over to a Google Os. Business Users still feel pretty trapped, but will keep their older hardware running as long as Microsoft let them.

Not Google (3, Interesting)

fyngyrz (762201) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266601)

Its ironic that both of these groups are moving over to a Google Os.

LOL. It's not ironic. It's imaginary. There's no significant move towards Google Chrome or Google anything else for that matter in the OS space. There are three players, and only three: Microsoft, Apple, and linux. Apple's got the ball right now, as their machines can run all three OS's, all at once, legally and legitimately. If you're worried about movement, worry about Apple. Google? No chance.

Re:Idiocracy! (3, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266283)

The "vast majority of human beings" don't sign massive EA contracts that pay Microsoft's bills.

We'll see how it shakes out when enterprises begin tinkering with OSX and/or Linux on larger scales towards the end of their upgrade cycles.

Re:Idiocracy! (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266359)

Be sure to tell that to those that earn a paycheck off a computer as a business platform. And unless my company pays me for jacking off to Windows 8, I will not be going near that OS. I will force myself to learn Linux or go the OSX platform. Microsoft is on borrowed time.

Re:Idiocracy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266501)

I will force myself to learn Linux

It's not the 90s, with the major distributions you can do almost everything through the GUI. If there's a problem you can only resolve through the terminal you can just Google it and the solution will be right there. Pretty much like OS X without as much spit and polish.

Re:Idiocracy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266459)

I treat the start screen as a replacement for the start menu, switch the default file associations back to the non-metro, non-functionally-deficient versions which are all still there, learned the WIN+D shortcut and called it a day. No need to bother with special shells or anything -- I don't spend that much time using Windows itself, mostly programs that run on it.

The only thing the Start menu had that was actually nice was when it got that little text field that let me hit the WIN key, type a program's name and press enter. Start screen has the same functionality. Before that feature existed, the Start menu was at best a necessary evil and at worst a schizoid stopgap measure for MS's inability to create an interface with some kind of overarching logic

Re:Idiocracy! (1)

Microlith (54737) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266531)

Ah, yes. The "shut up and stop going beyond the lowest common denominator" argument. You are learning well from the Apple fans.

Re:Idiocracy! (2)

fredgiblet (1063752) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266211)

You can multi-task, where does it say you can't? All you have to do is skip the Metro apps, which shouldn't be a problem if you're multi-tasking since that very fact means you have non-Metro programs that you're currently using.

Re:Idiocracy! (1)

rubycodez (864176) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266257)

you know, as a person who has to use windows 7 sometimes at home and work, I can only say your sentence reads as complete gibberish. so does the article: charms, Name Group and Live Tiles....gad.

Re:Idiocracy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266213)

"Would someone please tell Microsoft that Windows 8 is a content consumption platform whereas the corporate world needs a multi-tasking UI"

Um, so fact that Win8 gives you both is some how bad? Programs that benefit from the standard windowing model will continue to be written as desktop apps, how does that fact that Modern UI apps are also support take away from that?

Re:Idiocracy! (2)

rubycodez (864176) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266269)

what's modern about that non-MT crap that panders to morons? why have an OS with some features that pander to morons?

Re:Idiocracy! (4, Insightful)

Lendrick (314723) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266279)

It doesn't really give you both, though. The whole thing is built to make it inconvenient to use in desktop mode, because now you have to go back to a full screen menu every time you want to start another application. The purpose of Windows 8 is to throw Metro in your face, so as to push Windows developers to use Metro, and therefore be forced to go through Microsoft's app store (or whatever the fuck they're calling it since Apple apparently owns the phrase "app store"). Short of purchasing extra programs, there's no way to avoid fucking around with Metro when using Windows 8.

Re:Idiocracy! (2)

Jaktar (975138) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266575)

because now you have to go back to a full screen menu every time you want to start another application.

And this is why you should not believe what you read and actually go and try it yourself. That's wrong, and so is the rest of what you wrote.

You can still pin applications to the task bar and create shortcuts on your desktop if you so choose. Because of the way the taskbar handles multiple instances, you don't get the 20 window stack clutter like you had in XP. Once I go to the 'desktop' mode, I don't have to go back to the ModernUI as I already have everything pinned. Even when I do go back to the ModernUI to launch a program, it's the same as it was in Win7 - windows key and start typing the name then press enter or click it.

Re:Idiocracy! (4, Interesting)

a_mari_usque_ad_mare (1996182) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266373)

I use Windows 8 on my school laptop (grad student in materials engineering) and I am not thrilled with the news of this update. Everything they mention is related to metro, the touchscreen interface for Windows 8, with nothing on the desktop/laptop side. The main complaint with Windows 8 was that the metro stuff should have been optional, as it is not needed or wanted on a normal PC. With the Blue update we see that after hearing the criticism and commentary from the release of Windows 8, MS' only response is a few tweaks here and there.

I'm worried by MS' attitude more than anything else, like the idea that the desktop is just for legacy software, and that metro is the future. Metro or whatever you want to call is not the future of the PC. It not even the future of touch. It's an also-ran, second rate touch OS, and it continues to sell poorly next to iOS and Android. I've used all 3 OS' on touch devices, and even there metro is not great. Alot of buttons and controls are hidden by default, so you are always trying to toggle between different views. Maybe someone spiked the water in Redmond, because I never imagined that after winning the desktop OS wars they would just lose interest and abandon their users.

Re:Idiocracy! (2)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266481)

[...] the corporate world needs a multi-tasking UI.

Actually, my somewhat old experience in the corporate world pretty much says the opposite.

Consider most people in the corporate world with PCs. The ones I saw, way back when, would tend to hit the maximize button so that the application window took up the whole screen. They weren't taking advantage of multiple overlapping windows and tended to get confused by them. In fact, those people who came over from Windows to Mac were always confused that the maximize button wouldn't expand everything to fit the whole screen and would also get confused when they inadvertently clicked on the desktop and suddenly their typing was going somewhere else.

Now maybe your typical corporate Windows user has gotten smarter since I last paid attention back in the XP days, but I tend to doubt it.

Windows Blue ... Screen of Death.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266095)

Anybody else thinking that?

All I care about is the enhanced HOST file support (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266107)

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apk on 4chan [4chan.org]



That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259


He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357


Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565


oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251


As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357


It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603


$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429


And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187


Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781


golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827


The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389


DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493


KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171


You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137


You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239


Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377


ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251


I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107


I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345


1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599


What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673


I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251


er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313


performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097


Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101


Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711


I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327


I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133


If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409


DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305


Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965


Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com]. Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291


Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811


I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263


lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839


I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881


Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org], where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271


^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215


Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto]'s tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855


The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225


YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143


I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987


Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145


Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417


I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913


You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373


oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231


"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097


"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219


"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481


Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533


you have a point - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823


I do admire that level of dedication. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765


[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533


I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411


I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593


Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957


Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013


Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239


Professional. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143


I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029


extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855


You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043


Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311


this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127


You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747


Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975


Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495


Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993


Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883


PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029


I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325


PROOF apk is a liar! - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249


I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657


Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767


Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements:


* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.

Who thought it was a typo? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266121)

I saw 9364 Windows bluescreens.

the 90s are over, dad... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266131)

no one gives a shit about Microsoft.

Re:the 90s are over, dad... (1)

Dzimas (547818) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266329)

Windows didn't hit its stride until the 2000s. Windows XP was released in October 2001, with great commercial success. As of last month, it was estimated to be running on almost 39% of PCs. That's a critical problem that Microsoft faced - instead of dutifully upgrading every couple of years, many people and businesses stayed on XP. Each subsequent release has tried to up the whizz-bang factor of the UI.

And if MS had simply "dutifully" updated XP... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266473)

...the Zealots here would cackle that MS has no innovation. MS just can't win whether they update or change. The Zealots will change their tune according to what's convenient for them, UNLESS their Linus Christ Superstar codes it into their Bible.

Want proof? They do it to iOS already. Apple dutifully updates iOS, and yet they get hammered here for just "trotting out the same", no innovation, ad nauseum.

Re:And if MS had simply "dutifully" updated XP... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266549)

When in the fuck did Linux ever innovate shit? It's a fucking off-brand unix clone for fucks sake.

yay for progress! (5, Funny)

Osgeld (1900440) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266149)

one of the featured screenshots being a calculator that will suck up every inch of my large desktop monitor, take that you 20 year old serial terminal in the other room and your fucking text based "windows"

Re:yay for progress! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266699)

This is the issue. They have completely ignored how users use the interface on desktops.

what about underneath (2)

Dan9999 (679463) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266165)

As a person who will use the right os for the job and have no actual feelings about them, I'm more curious to know what has changed in the os rather than the ui. Anyone have any details? I'm waiting for automatic vm of every application, more integration with products outside the company. Another incarnation of an agent(maybe it will suck like the others but please don't stop trying), automatic knowledge of its physical location and surroundings(your remote is under the pillow), subsecond desktop transitions when a different user sits down, a simple fast api that maps all integration and configuration (slow wmi+wi+code-what-you-can is getting tedious and costs companies a lot of money)... lots more but anyways...

So, anyone have any meat on the new version?

Blue? (2)

simonbp (412489) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266195)

Why is a Windows release named after its most famous failure screen? Is the marketing department that ignorant?

Re:Blue? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266245)

I think it's all part of Ballmer's secret plan to take over the company and destroy it from inside out, he's doing a pretty good so far.

Re:Blue? (4, Funny)

jader3rd (2222716) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266287)

Why is a Windows release named after its most famous failure screen? Is the marketing department that ignorant?

Because they're willing to be bold and daring.

Refusing to give customers what we want (5, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266217)

Several sites have screenshots from the build; Hot Hardware says "Assuming this is all completely legitimate, the most obvious change pertains to the Metro UI, including greater flexibility in sizing Live Tiles and customizing the Start screen, particularly as the Personalize setting (among others, including Devices and Share) is now under the Settings charm. The Name Group feature for the Start menu looks a little more polished, too."

They don't get it, do they? Power users and most business users don't want to tinker with the Metro UI. We want to be able to get rid of it and boot straight into the Desktop with a traditional Start Menu.

Re:Give it up (2, Informative)

Billly Gates (198444) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266419)

I welcome these changes as I dispice Metro in its current form for all the reasons you stated. I like to be able to see multiple programs at once, use the taskbar to preview with aero all the differnet IE tabs and apps, and use instant search for things in my word document to see if I have matching files etc.

So far Microsoft is responding to some of the criticism by making making Metro applets do the same things like resizing and having more than one app open.

But the desktop and the start menu is notcoming back. The desktop is dead and Microsoft has invested too much into this and is losing too much marketshare to go back to the old ways. Customers are telling Microsoft they want a cool IPAD, iBook, or a Droid. Not wanting the same sluggish crashy POS with 11 year old blue and green colored XP machines they use at work. Desktop apps are not touch friendly and do not go beyond 100 DPI without major gui issues and bugs. Why is my 2 year old Samsung Galaxy S gives a better browsing experience with smooth GPU acceleration, less pixely graphics, and HTML 5 goodness than my desktop PC?

The infrastructure is dated due to XP compatibility with win32. I do not feel Metro is ready yet which is why I am typing this on Windows 7 but if MS clears its act with more colors a taskbar, a smart screen that doesn't block what you are doing, and more Skeumorphism they will have a winner. Windows Blue is even faster and less crappy and sluggish with huge ass latency compred to Windows 8, which beats Windows 7, which is even more responsive than XP when it comes to Windows Rot.

Arguing against it makes it look like we are old men who hate change because of a silly button.

Re:Refusing to give customers what we want (1)

fermion (181285) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266669)

Most end users do not understand who the customers are. Yes the business user is a customer. But the business user, as shown by MS willingness to include downgrade license, do not need a new upgrade every couple years. In a business environnent I have only used Windows 3.11, NT, XP and 7. That is four versions in 20 years. The business customer is a customer, but mostly for the MS license, not the latest version of WIndows

Power users might be a customer if they build their own machines and buy the fully licensed full software. While I do realize that some do build machines, I hear a lot completes around here complaining that the cheaper OEM version should not be used on this macine. In any case the power user might be a gamer, which is not going to buy much MS stuff, or a developer, who is dependent on MS.

Which leaves only on group as the major customer of MS. The computer manufacturers. These are the people who want a new version of MS, preferably incompatible with old hardware, to drive computer sales. Of course this may be changing, as MS moves to more direct hardware sales to consumer. We may be seeing this change in the new MS plan to release an major OS upgrade, not a SP, every 6 months, as well as to license software for a limited time.

How not to design a tiling window manager (5, Interesting)

knarf (34928) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266243)

I can sort of see what Microsoft is trying to do with Windows 8. The idea is not theirs, nor is it a new idea. It actually goes back a long, long time. When GUIs were born designers wanted to implement direct-manipulation as much as possible. The user had to be able to grab anything, drag and drop and click and whatnot it. This included the windows used by programs, if the user wanted to have that giant word processor in a 50x50 pixel window overlapped by a dozen other windows then they should be able to.

Now that GUIs are old hat, all that direct manipulation is getting a bit long in the tooth. Shuffling windows around, organizing them 'just' so is just as inefficient as doing the same to text in a word processor. Why not leave all that repetitive work to the computer? That is what machines are for, after all? In short, Microsoft has discovered the advantages of tiling window managers [wikipedia.org].

The sad part is that they seem to have forgotten to study the subject before designing Windows 8. All they had to do was install one of the many available existing tiling window managers on a unix of choice and give it a whir. Xmonad [wikipedia.org] or dwm [wikipedia.org] or any of the others do an infinitely better job of it than Windows 8 does. They work with the user, not against him/her.

windows blue screens (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266247)

No thanks, i've seen those before.

How about Windows Red instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266307)

Go through the colors of the classic Windows logo first. Windows Green, Windows Yellow and then Windows Blue.

Personalization? This is an upgrade? (1)

Torodung (31985) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266363)

Personalization is currently under the "settings" charm in Windows 8. If you're on the desktop, Personalization (as in desktop theme) is right there in the charm menu. If you're in Metro, then it's the first item under "Change PC settings" (as in, "Personalize" is the first damned thing you see when you launch it). The only thing they did, if anything, was change the label in the charm to be dumbed down for the casual user who couldn't find Personalize without having it spelled out for them. Probably a result of their usage studies.

Can't See the Forest for the Trees (2)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266367)

How much longer are they going to keep making products for consumption instead of creation?

Windows 8 is the "other" in "every other version of Windows sucks," which means they better get their head out of their ass for Windows 9 (or whatever name they pick out of the hat next).

Otherwise, this is going to push their bread-and-butter business customers away from them and towards Linux. Who'd have thought that the year of the Linux desktop might actually end up being Microsoft's doing?

I still dont care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266407)

Ive played with windows 8 and it offered me nothing that improved my desktop experience. I didn't surf the web faster, watch videos any better, my pc didn't run any smoother, or play games any better at all and the interface just made it a little more cumbersome for me.

I love windows 7 and 8 offers me nothing at all that would make me want to drop 100 bucks on it for my two computers, reload everything and set everything up again.

I might have cared about windows 8 if it offered my desktop pc some sort of advantage or played to the strengths of it. Instead MS created a OS meant for tablets, phones, laptops and desktops and because of that it doesn't seem to work towards the strengths of any of those platforms at all. It just feels like something they made just to bring everyone under one umbrella and to me it weakened it greatly.

We've all heard... (1)

Tactical Lime (2578731) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266425)

We've all heard the old saying that any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic(slight of hand). I'm wondering, is this the direction MS is heading although in reverse. Are we looking at a future where any magic(slight of hand) sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from technology? Hmmmm......

Getting a more pointless blue screen would be hard (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266451)

The blue screen already contains almost no good or helpful information. A blue effectively says "We did something wrong and can't explain what happened so were just giving up".

Windows Blue (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266463)

I sense a theme here. Is Microsoft teaming with Nintendo?

Remember Pokemon? First the show, next the game... Pokemon Blue and Pokemon Red are released at the same time and both work together to allow a better gaming experience. Next, Windows Blue and...who wants to make Red? Apple? Microsoft...?

We really could use some unification on the whole OS front. Whoever gets us to the endgame the quickest is what I say. Frankly, I'm tired of buying the next big operating system. Figure it out!

Worried for a second there... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#43266491)

Thank FSM my team didn't leak it this time. Any chance you will let us down off this crucifix anytime soon, MS?

Love and Hate (2)

Y-Crate (540566) | 1 year,25 days | (#43266667)

I have a soft spot for the new Start Screen. I find it much more appealing than the old Start Menu which seemed more like a Start Slab by the time it was deprecated. The initial concept had been compromised by the amount of crap that it was asked to handle. Using a tile-based system is a great way to package different sources of data and information into neat little groupings. We can agree to disagree on that one.

My problem is that the rest of the Metro UI doesn't really follow the lead of the Start Screen at all. Aesthetically, it jettisons the entire look and feel for what seems like a bunch of images and text adrift in a lot of whitespace.

Icons have little or no depth at all. They don't really adhere to their origins in minimalist mass transit iconography as the Start Screen does, nor do they acknowledge the benefits of effective drop shadows - or really any developments since the year 2000. I'm pretty sure the version of KDE that shipped with my copy of LinuxPPC 1999 was the aesthetic equal in this one regard.

Text is widely spread out with no clear delineation between where one active area begins and another ends. Even info grouped together appears to take up a significant amount of screen real estate. Not due to font sizing issues, but rather, the line spacing and just random weirdness in the layout. It reminds me less of an OS and more of a poorly-designed Web 2.0 site.

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