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Lawmakers Seek To Ban Google Glass On the Road

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the leave-the-glasses-off dept.

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An anonymous reader writes in with news about a West Virginia bill that would prohibit drivers from "using a wearable computer with head mounted display." Republican Gary G. Howell sponsored the bill in reaction to reading an article on Google Glass and said: "I actually like the idea of the product and I believe it is the future, but last legislature we worked long and hard on a no-texting-and-driving law. It is mostly the young that are the tech-savvy that try new things. They are also our most vulnerable and underskilled drivers. We heard of many crashes caused by texting and driving, most involving our youngest drivers. I see the Google Glass as an extension."

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HUD (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269531)

But some cars have a heads up display... which is basically a car-mounted version of the same thing. Can't we just have an administrative ruling that it falls under driving while distracted, or reckless driving, or whatever the legal term is, and not create a new law everytime someone makes something new?

Next up, no looking at your wristwatch while driving! It's the new technological menace!

Re:HUD (5, Insightful)

mjr167 (2477430) | about a year ago | (#43269641)

Because that would require admitting that the problem is between the seat and steering wheel?

Re:HUD (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269853)

Or that there isn't really a problem, and this is just the result of Microsoft's Mark Penn buying himself a Republican.

Re:HUD (5, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#43269969)

Don't worry, Google's driverless car is almost ready...

Re:HUD (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269659)

Cars heads up displays don't include emails and google+ messages. Don't be obtuse.

Re:HUD (5, Interesting)

rioki (1328185) | about a year ago | (#43269861)

But technically I could run a app that is beneficial to my driving. This week end rented a car and got one with a HUD. It displayed three things, the speed limit, the current speed and the navigation instructions. It "floated" over the hood and I could read the information without taking my eyes off the street. This is VERY beneficial when you are currently doing a maneuver in heavy traffic. It also made the audio queues obsolete. (It had none.) Oh and this implementation of a speed limit indicator works, you see your speed and the speed limit all the time. You really have to willfully be speeding, you can't speed "by mistake".

The only thing the Google glasses need are a driving mode.

Re:HUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269875)

What if there was a product that was like Google Glass, but didn't include Google+. Ah, okay, you want to ban Facebook messages too. But Skype, do we include Skype messages? Because they could just be phone calls. Well, maybe you want to ban cell phones, okay, but then why ban Google Glass first, why not be consistent? And of course you might say anything connected with a radio, but then not car radios, we have to leave in an exception for that. So now you want a state level law concerning Google+ and Facebook messages? In 100 years (heck, 10 years), that's going to seem ridiculous.

It's not being obtuse... it's a question of lumping it under all other distractions which are already illegal. And as it should already be covered under existing law, adding a new one would be against Republican principles, so no idea why this guy sponsored the bill.

Re:HUD (1)

mhajicek (1582795) | about a year ago | (#43269891)

They well could. And if Glass is banned while driving I'm sure a phone-HUD link will be just around the corner.

Re:HUD (3, Interesting)

suso (153703) | about a year ago | (#43269907)

HUDs on cars currently are also less intrusive and only take up 5-10% of your viewing area. Google Glass will probably cause people to focus on the road differently just like when you hold your phone to your head it causes you to lose mental focus.

Re:HUD (0)

Liamecaps (2428636) | about a year ago | (#43269679)

Yeah, I think he's off mark here. I agree texting and driving is dangerous, but fighter pilots use HUD to their advantage, and so should cars.

Re:HUD (5, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | about a year ago | (#43269727)

Fighter pilots aren't 16. They are college-educated military officers who have had several years of driving behind them to get used to operating a large death machine, followed by extensive classroom training and instructor-led seat time before they are allowed to operate the jet solo. Additionally, they have simulators with which to get used to monitoring all necessary instrumentation as well as keeping an eye out for enemy planes.

High school kids cannot be compared to fighter pilots in any meaningful way with regards to the ability to safely operate a large machine with multiple points of distraction, on public roads, surrounded by other drives of various skills and levels of distraction.

Re:HUD (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#43269889)

So you're saying that displaying speed in a HUD on the windscreen would distract kids? The same kids that have been playing computer games with HUDs for the last 14 years? Moving a little bit of information up to the windscreen isn't the problem, it's just getting information that isn't relevant to your driving that is the problem.

HUDs could be very useful for things like night vision projections. Some cars already have this.

Re:HUD (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about a year ago | (#43269937)

This law isn't banning HUDs, it is banning HMDs. HUDs are still legal, and HUD !=HMD.

Re:HUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269995)

Anytime you compare playing a video game to real life you automatically look like an asshat. And rightfully so. I can afford to be an idiot in a video game. If I'm distracted and wreck into another driver in a video game it's just a matter of restarting the game. In real life the consequences are much different.

Re:HUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269729)

but fighter pilot HUD's don;t have what you best friend is eating or funny pictures of kittens.

Re:HUD (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | about a year ago | (#43269771)

Fighter pilots are carefully selected, highly trained, and extremely focused.

Drivers are every idiot with 20/30 vision and 16 birthdays.

Re:HUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269781)

Yeah, I think he's off mark here. I agree texting and driving is dangerous, but fighter pilots use HUD to their advantage, and so should cars.

Oh please! Can a fighter pilot text,Tweet, watch Youtube videos, or go on Facebook in the cockpit?!?

Most fighter pilots - best of the best.

Most drivers - drooling, knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, Facebook using, tweeting, morons.

Re:HUD (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43269963)

fighter pilots follow the rules

Kids get into more collisions because they are dumb and break the traffic laws. almost every time i see someone run a stop sign, a red light, drive too fast for conditions its someone who looks like they are in their 20s in their hurry to no where

Re:HUD (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43269685)

I agree that specific-banning every incremental innovation is ugly lawmaking practice(it isn't wrong or unethical in any serious way; but a legal code full of a fuckton of pointless special cases that could have been generalized is no prettier than any other codebase so afflicted).

However, I'm not with you on the 'All HUDs are created equal" thing. In-car HUDs, while dubiously valuable, have the advantage of being built into cars, with 100% certainty that their users will be driving cars while using them. There is an established body of work on building car controls that are minimally distracting to drivers(sometimes it is even adhered to!). A car HUD is much more likely to adhere to that than is a generic HUD doing god-knows-what.

Now, nothing prevents a generic HUD from running a set of software displays that would actually be useful to a driver(so banning them in general seems pointless and possibly counterproductive); but it is fair to treat a device that evolved out of the hardware, and use cases, of a smartphone as being distracting until proven innocent...

Re:HUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269785)

The point is that some people would be more comfortable having it be an administrative ruling that could be overturned by a judge ("ah, in this case your honor we think what they were doing constituted distracted driving"), instead of a law that we need to decide today about technology that has not even been released yet. Technology companies rise and fall in less time than a law is adjusted.

Re:HUD (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269967)

Or we could, you know, worry about actual behavior and actual problems instead of perceived imagined nonsense crap like this. I put texting and driving bans in the same category. Unless you also ban other things which are demonstrably as distracting as texting and driving, you're just a reactionary anti technology twerp who doesn't like something because it's popular with people you don't care for.

Nobody was worried about cell phones when they were so expensive as to only be business tools for certain well paid professions. It's only when young and less well off people adopted them that the Chicken Little screaming began. Meanwhile, we don't ban putting on makeup, shaving, reading printed material, and, worst of all, undisciplined children from cars. The latter, btw, being the direct cause of an accident which caused damage to my car while I was sitting still once. I didn't decide to make it my life's mission to do something about distractions caused by kids in cars, as some of these anti tech crusaders with too much time and too small brains seem to.

Driving like an idiot while looking at a paper map? That's ok. Do the same thing using a piece of tech to find your way? You need to be arrested or fined because you're a hazard. Please note the hazard is the same either way, it's just what some fools feel about the cause that's different. Yes, I meant "feel" and not "think" because clearly there's no thinking going on.

BTW, not a young person with an axe to grind. Just somebody who's spent too long watching useless overreactions to things time and again. Although it was before just about anybody's time here, I'm told this same stupid debate came up when they first started putting radios in cars. Ponder that for a while. Then ponder the notion that we do absolutely nothing about training and teaching people how to deal with the stuff in their cars. We don't make it illegal for bosses to fire people who aren't available every second of every day. We don't study the extra hazard caused by exiting and reentering the road because some law says you have to in order to make a call. We do nothing that might actually help, and we just pass more dumb laws.

Re:HUD (3, Interesting)

fiziko (97143) | about a year ago | (#43269757)

And if I want to use the GPS feature only while driving? I think the best solution would be for Google to add a "lockout" feature, where GPS is the only feature accessible when the speed of the glasses is in excess of some reasonable number. Users could enable or disable this mode, as I can with my normal GPS unit, for the cases where the device is being used by the passenger instead of the driver. Then it falls under a blanket "distracted driving" laws when used inappropriately but is still allowable when used appropriately.

Re:HUD (1)

Githaron (2462596) | about a year ago | (#43269953)

What about passengers? Why would you want to disable their Glass?

Re:HUD (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | about a year ago | (#43269985)

Yeah, because all those people on the road are using their smartphones "for GPS" while driving now. It's no different than Bit Torrent. While there are valid uses for the technology, most people are using it for willful copyright infringement.

Re:HUD (1)

bws111 (1216812) | about a year ago | (#43269777)

In the absense of laws stating precisely what is not legal, your wristwatch example would be reality. If you just have some generic 'no driving while distracted' law, who makes the determination of what is a distraction? The individual cop.

Re:HUD (2)

kidgenius (704962) | about a year ago | (#43269947)

You do realize that many states have such "distracted driving" laws, correct? And yes, it is a subjective manner, just like a lot of the enforcement of the law. If you are swerving around the road and the cop notices, it's pretty easy to see that you are driving distracted/recklessly. Who cares what the reason is? It could be because you are eating a cheeseburger, putting on make-up, talking on a phone, or getting road head from your passenger. If you can't drive without being a danger to those around you, then you need to be ticketed for it.

Re:HUD (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#43269833)

We have a law like that in the UK (driving without due care and attention) but it only sort-of works. There are lots of grey areas that can only be worked out with a slow and expensive court procedure. There is outright abuse as well, like a woman arrested for taking a sip of water while waiting in the traffic lights.

The official advice is "keep your hands on the wheel at all times". Except, presumably, when changing gear or scratching a distracting itch.

Unenforceable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269533)

How would you enforce this law when the glasses could look like simple sunglasses? We've ventured into the realm of unnecessary laws.

Re:Unenforceable (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#43269657)

We've ventured into the realm of unnecessary laws.

For a very long time [wikipedia.org]

Re:Unenforceable (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43269699)

How would you enforce this law when the glasses could look like simple sunglasses? We've ventured into the realm of unnecessary laws.

How could you possibly ban drunk driving? You can't even smell alcohol through the windshield!

Re:Unenforceable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269899)

Yes. We should pull everyone over all the time because there is a chance that they could be doing something wrong.

Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (4, Insightful)

FictionPimp (712802) | about a year ago | (#43269537)

It could display driving speed, detect emergencies and notify you of them, pop up weather warnings. Overall I see a device with a HUD giving you an advantage driving..

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269571)

This is West Virginia, where you also pay sales tax on products that are free (after discount).

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

dlp211 (1722746) | about a year ago | (#43269577)

It could warn you when you are making bad driving decisions such as taking your eyes off the road, and driving with one hand. It could increase awareness of cars that are decelerating as well as let you know when you are tailgating, or speeding, and it can also alert you to disable vehicles which will allow you to move over a lane to give the stranded pedestrian room to work on their car or emergency vehicle to reach the car quickly.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (2)

alien9 (890794) | about a year ago | (#43269581)

and pics of cats for sure.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269603)

Yep, until you get bored and start entertaining yourself with it. Once you superimpose onto the road, all bets are off.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (2)

Annirak (181684) | about a year ago | (#43269605)

There go my plans for a LiDAR, RADAR overlay HUD to provide better visibility in snow, fog, low-light, etc. Baby, bathwater both defenestrated.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269613)

Could be interesting.
If you ban a head mounted display for drivers, shouldn't you also ban airline pilots from using them, next step would be to ban military pilots to wear a head mounted display.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269745)

I'm pretty sure the FAA and the US Air Force don't fall under the jurisdiction of West Virginia's legislative decisions.

Also, I can't recall hearing about commercial airplane pilots using head-mounted displays, and I think HUDs are uncommon for those crafts as well.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269621)

Yeah that's great. Pop up a weather warning overlaid over a car pulling out from a side road which hasn't seen me. No thanks. You'd have to be an idiot to drive with these things on, and this guy has the right idea.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269633)

driving speed: it's on the dash
detect emergencies: open your eyes
weather: roll down window (or open eyes)

the disadvantage to a HUD is now instead of ME SEEING THE KID TEXTING WITH HIS/HER HEAD DOWN, they will be looking directly at me as they crash... all because "there was a weather warning, not my fault!!!" or whatever.

it's very simple:
1 TURN THE PHONE OFF
2 DRIVE and ARRIVE
3 TURN PHONE ON

facebook will still be there, i promise. (unfortunately)

it will be different (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269643)

It could display driving speed, detect emergencies and notify you of them, pop up weather warnings. Overall I see a device with a HUD giving you an advantage driving..

The same was said for texting.

But what WILL happen is that folks are going to install a Tweet app and will be tweeting, texting, looking at news, etc ... while wearing these glasses.

I know without a doubt that it will happen.

Re:it will be different (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | about a year ago | (#43269931)


Absolutely will happen yes... But is the law such a good idea. Like all technologies there are good and bad ways it could be used. Now if we were to make the law just say "you cannot text, browse the internet etc... while driving" and rule that glasses are not an exception, that would cover things as far as the law should go. Are people going to do it anyway? of course, but that isn't a fair question A fair question is, how many more people are going to do it anyway that aren't now, because there are certainly a good number of people who will do it no matter what, and the means will do it has different risks. Current means, Keep phone etc... below and out of sight of the window, which generally involves turning their head to the point where the windshield is barely in the corner of their eye as they look. While if they are cheating by using glass. The road is perfectly in their line of sight, if something or someone jumps in their field of view while they are texting, car slams on it's breaks etc... they have a drastically higher chance of responding compared to the person looking down.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year ago | (#43269655)

Probably not. If people looked in 2D, then yeah, I could see it, but in reality your eyes have a limited ability to keep multiple things in focus at once. We don't care about that for the most part because we're able to change focus very quickly.

If a message comes up saying "Slow down, ice ahead", the reality is that you will take your eyes off the road to read the message, even though your eyes will still be pointing in the same direction.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | about a year ago | (#43269733)

That's the beauty of a HUD, you don't actually look at it but through it. If you are focusing on the HUD, you are doing it wrong.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269933)

Google glass is not a HUD. It's a toy put out by an advertising network.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (2)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year ago | (#43269879)

Probably not. If people looked in 2D, then yeah, I could see it, but in reality your eyes have a limited ability to keep multiple things in focus at once. We don't care about that for the most part because we're able to change focus very quickly.

That's a long solved problem [for HUD's], just make the display focus at infinity - that way you don't have to refocus. (Seriously folks, stop and think a minute... while Google Glass is new, HUD's aren't. These are old, long solved problems.)

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | about a year ago | (#43269979)

If a message comes up saying "Slow down, ice ahead", the reality is that you will take your eyes off the road to read the message, even though your eyes will still be pointing in the same direction.

If only there were ways to indicate to drivers in a non-distracting way of conditions regarding their vehicle and surroundings. One might imagine a simple yellow light that blinks 3-4 times, or a pinging tone.

Why, what havoc would occur if cars broadcast the diagnostic information to the driver to inform them of potential engine trouble, high temperatures, icy conditions, low oil, and other conditions. Drivers simply cannot process that much information and keep from turning into flaming balls of destruction.

So you turn 'Driving mode on' with your HUD, and it flashes a small dot of light in a non obstructive manner if there is an accident ahead. My smartphone already does this through Waze, and I expect most standalone GPS units will soon as well as they connect into the in-car wifi.

There are countless ways that current technology can be distracting.

An easy way to reduce accidents from an already distracting technology? Ban speed cameras. Nothing like watching drivers overcompensate, or swivel their heads around as they are trying to look for the cameras.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

DeathToBill (601486) | about a year ago | (#43269669)

This is rather like saying that a mobile phone is an advantage when driving. After all, someone could text you a warning about traffic conditions ahead, or talk you through how to get somewhere, or you could use the camera in the phone to take photos of cars that are being driven dangerously. Yep, mobile phones are the next big advance in driver safety!

Let's face it: If someone is wearing Google Glass while driving, there's a 99% chance they're using it to watch football, film or porn.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about a year ago | (#43269807)

Actually you can glance at the message immediately without shifting your vision off the road through a transparent HUD. You'll lose focus and attention, but you retain motion and reflex, which make up greater than 90% of driving anyway: your focus is on a specific area in a specific direction, and your attention is usually mainly ahead; objects shifting out of their stable relative position quickly draw attention. Glancing at your cell phone moves your vision to a relatively large, opaque obstruction that severely limits your ability to process and react to occurrences on the road.

There may be a net positive, with people worrying less about "oh I can't get a picture of that I'm driving..." or doing stupid shit like trying to whip out their camera phone, bring up the camera, and size up a good shot. Instead they just look, go "...click," and a picture is taken and stored. This alleviates the mental pressure of anxiety over a missed opportunity, releasing attention immediately to support vehicle operation. It also eliminates stupid peoples' poor prioritization by which they fumble around with their camera phones.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#43269773)

And if GPS speed > 20kph disable non driving related functions.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269789)

Speed, location and danger avoidance is useful information for drivers and is projected via HUD on newer cars. HUDs are useful.

However, searching for cat pictures, video chatting, taking photos, or getting weather and flight info(these are things google glass actually does) and reading status updates and tweets classify as distractions and should probably be banned.

Captcha:unneeded

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269799)

It could display driving speed, detect emergencies and notify you of them, pop up weather warnings.

Yes, it could be used for all that. However it will be used to watch movies, play games, read Facebook, read Slashdot, video-phone, and other less safe activities while driving.

So, yes, it has potential, which includes the potential to be helpful, but which also includes much more potential to distract already incompetant drivers.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about a year ago | (#43269945)

HUDs are still legal, and HUD !=HMD.

Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269989)

Sure, if that's how people use it. But you are naive if you think that is how people will primarily use it.

Such Foresight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269543)

Such foresight is quite remarkable, when one considers that we have yet to really get our hands on Google Glass. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the politician might have been motivated by a third party. Perhaps a competitor to Google Glass. But, who would that be?

Google Glass on the road (0)

rossdee (243626) | about a year ago | (#43269561)

What happens when one of those Google automated cars has an accident

The Fire Brigade should send them a bill for cleaning up the mess

before someone gets a puncture

(Of course its not as bad as carbon fibre shards eh Fernando..

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]

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APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]

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Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]

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I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]

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You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]

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oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]

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"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]

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"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]

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"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]

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Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]

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you have a point - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]

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I do admire that level of dedication. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]

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I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]

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I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]

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Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]

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Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]

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Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]

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Professional. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]

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I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029 [slashdot.org]

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extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855 [slashdot.org]

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You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043 [slashdot.org]

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Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311 [slashdot.org]

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this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127 [slashdot.org]

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You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975 [slashdot.org]

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Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495 [slashdot.org]

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Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993 [slashdot.org]

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Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029 [slashdot.org]

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I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk is a liar! - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767 [slashdot.org]

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Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3579259&cid=43269353 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Disproof of all apk's statements:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40947927 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040425&cid=40946755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40942439 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40942207 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40942031 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038601&cid=40942085 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040803&cid=40950045 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040867&cid=40950563 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40950839 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041035&cid=40951899 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952169 [slashdot.org]
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That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.

Re:Finally glasses with proper hosts file support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269719)

Please explain why the IP block for this poster isn't blocked from posting on Slashdot.

Re:Finally glasses with proper hosts file support (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269753)

hosts files

HUD (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#43269575)

It seems a bit to reactionary to something that could actually be a bonus. No, people shouldn't be driving while reading email, etc, but I'd much prefer a HUD stype presentation of speed, RPM, direction, vehicle status than looking at the dash. Some cars used to have HUD displays and it worked reasonable well. Likewise, it would be nice to have a record of what happened in the case of an accident, seeing amn accident, or a drunk driver, etc. This seems to be trying to ban the device in general, not how it's used. There are some uses that it would be an exceptional tool for.

Re:HUD (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43269607)

This seems to be trying to ban the device in general, not how it's used.

If you can come up with another way to address their concerns, then perhaps they'll listen. This is a real concern, and I think a valid one. When it comes to something like a copy protection circumvention device then banning the device and not the use is one thing, and when it comes to distraction while driving then something else entirely is happening. The first is unreasonable, you're only taking your own life into your hands. The second is not, because now you've got a chance for your inattention to kill.

Re:HUD (1)

Phrogman (80473) | about a year ago | (#43269683)

Just mandate an in-car device that detects a google glass headset and redirects all of the display to the car's HUD/device screen instead. Thus your vision is not obscured by the output, but the possible utility of the device is not compromised either.

Where I am its illegal to operate a cell-phone while driving, unless you have a car mounted hands-free cellphone etc. This would be little different

Re:HUD (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43269959)

Just mandate an in-car device that detects a google glass headset and redirects all of the display to the car's HUD/device screen instead. Thus your vision is not obscured by the output, but the possible utility of the device is not compromised either.

That would maybe work if the device were included in new cars, and were illegal to disable... But you have to account for people switching cars, and the thing can't just plug into a lighter socket.

Re:HUD (1)

stoploss (2842505) | about a year ago | (#43269815)

It's all about context and type of data.

It's one thing to superimpose an interactive Flash game for the driver via a HUD.

It's another thing entirely to have an optional FLIR overlay to increase the driver's perception of the path ahead, or to display the vehicle's current speed in the upper-left area of the windshield, etc. Capabilities like this are likely to improve safety rather than diminish it. Admittedly, these would work best via an actual HUD in the vehicle rather than via a personal Glass device, but the point remains.

Hell, I have idly considered rigging a FLIR HUD prototype in my next vehicle. It shouldn't be too hard (just expensive).

Re:HUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269831)

Inattention can already kill.

The problem is not the target of inattention, but the driver's choice to not pay attention to the road. In other words, the driver is the problem.

There are already perfectly enforceable laws against distracted driving. They apply to a wide range of distractions, because they aren't focusing on any particular device, but on misbehavior by the driver.

Any law banning Google Glass (and indeed, cell phone and texting laws) have only the effect of making the jobs of police and prosecutors easier at the expense of people who use the devices responsibly.

What is a responsible use of, say, a cell phone? For instance, reporting a drunk driver, calling the hospital ahead of your arrival, etc. For Google Glass there are already several examples of beneficial use mentioned in other threads.

Think of the children! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269591)

Wasn't that the summary?

Besides don't some high end cars have an optional HUD displaying some data? (speedo, directions).
So how is that different from displaying it on the windscreen HUD?

Seems to be better than the now ubiquitous mobile phone with sat-nav stuck to the windscreen or dash....

Re:Think of the children! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269795)

so a specific set of display/controls all related to the vehicle and driving is *exactly*
the same as a random internet content projected on you eye.

wow...

That's why we need driverless cars! (1)

Dr. Spork (142693) | about a year ago | (#43269599)

Somebody should really work on a system where the single occupant of a car could geek out on the internet with all their little gadgets, and still put nobody in danger. Especially Google would benefit from something like that. Oh wait, might this be why it's Google themselves who are working on driverless cars? And we all thought it was just a sideshow to their main business...

They don't want cop recording to become a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269611)

It's in the interests of the police state to keep the number of always-on cameras at a minimum. When they're in the hands of civilians, that is.

Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... (5, Insightful)

oic0 (1864384) | about a year ago | (#43269619)

In reality, it will rarely be used as a HUD. We all know with a fair degree of certainty it will be used for things like email, video, texting, etc... Sure it may have the possibility of being useful, but that is NOT what it will be used for. Just like most cellphones in cars aren't being used for GPS and traffic allerts. People these days are just too distracted while they drive. Most people barely have enough intelligence to safely pilot a vehicle to begin with. Cellphones have made things much worse. Having things distractions constantly put into your line of sight will be ever worse. While people do have rights, on the road you holding the lives of others in the balance so some of your personal freedom takes a back seat. As a motorcyclist, I think texting while driving should get you a DUI and be pursed just as heavily.

Re:Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269711)

Not sure whether I agree with your point of view or not, but I do know that in parts (most?) of Europe, cell phones are illegal while driving. I know someone that (temporarily) lost their license in France because of it -- partly, anyway -- from too many points on their record.

Re:Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269797)

There is only a few reasons why I even got a Smartphone, let alone any phone, at all:

1) GPS
2) WiFi hotspot (for work, to test wireless connection issues)
3) So my boss / co-workers can contact me

And that's it.. I might be a geek, but I prefer talking in person rather than over the phone.

Re:Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269903)

As a motorcyclist, I think texting while driving should get you a DUI and be pursed just as heavily.

A couple of summers ago, a guy in his early twenties was cruising (20-30 mph) past my house on a crotch rocket, one handed while texting. It was a flip phone so he was T9ing it. I was simultaneously impressed, disgusted, and afraid.

Re:Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269955)

I use my phone in my car for GPS and music. If I'm able to operate and control my vehicle responsibly why should I get a DUI? It think it's great that you chose to operate one of the most dangerous vehicles around but that doesn't give your opinion any credibility or weight.

Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#43269637)

Young people in good health, with good motor skills and high response time are the worst drivers, right?

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269715)

The problem is that good motor skills and high response time also comes with a good dose of over confidence.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269759)

Fuck you young whippersnappers. If I can't screw girls your age anymore then I won't let you do it either.

And all legislation I ever pass will be a derivative of this mentality.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | about a year ago | (#43269783)

Well accident and insurance records say yes. In general it is one of those categories where the extra motor skills, health etc... instead of being applied to driving are being applied to texting, hitting on the attractive person in the passenger seat, eating, applying makeup etc... It's like when a new piece of hardware comes out with faster and better processing power etc... but then the software manufacturers burn every ounce of extra processing power and then some on useless wigits, apps and animations, making it actually perform worse at the primary function. Think early vista in the days when many new computers were being sold with 1-2gb of ram.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269921)

He could have stated it better by saying "inexperienced", not "underskilled".

But otherwise I concur. I'm less skilled/slower reaction time now that I'm a old(-er) fogey, but my experience is a bigger payoff in my safety.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (1)

Albanach (527650) | about a year ago | (#43269839)

Young people in good health, with good motor skills and high response time are the worst drivers, right?

In my experience as a driver, going a little slower, leaving a little more room between vehicles and using turn signals properly all contribute far more to my safety than I would gain from beter motor skills and a faster response time. Your extra tenth of a second in response time is worthless if you've already crashed into the car in front because you were too close.

My experience came the hard way but, alongside, there were some good lessons in not being overconfident.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269847)

Yes, because they don't have much experience. Youth = careless/reckless.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43269935)

Young people in good health, with good motor skills and high response time are the worst drivers, right?

The precise shape of the curve isn't 100% clear; but new drivers are shitty drivers. It takes time to accumulate the experience that weak hominids need to respond automatically to common situations that are at or beyond the edge of being slow enough to respond to by conscious thought.(inconveniently, since the problem is inexperience rather than merely youth raising the starting driver's age helps less than people would like.

Once they get some experience, young drivers are better than older drivers; because their vision, reflexes, and motor skills are superior, and the amount of additional improvement possible from additional experience tapers off.

From there, it's all downhill; but old people vote at substantial rates compared to the population at large, so they are less likely to be taken off the road.

Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43269977)

yep

all the stupid kids i see speeding, running stop signs, texting, yapping on cell phones while driving because they think they are the best driver on the road

Just... (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about a year ago | (#43269647)

Douchebag

Makes No Sense! (1)

Akratist (1080775) | about a year ago | (#43269665)

Military pilots -- flying multi-million dollar machines loaded with all kinds of nasty stuff -- don't have a problem with heads-up displays and helmet-mounted sights. These are considered to be useful tools. Why doesn't glass fall into the same category? Maybe a driving app coupled to a sensor suite on a car?

Re:Makes No Sense! (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43269867)

Military pilots -- flying multi-million dollar machines loaded with all kinds of nasty stuff -- don't have a problem with heads-up displays and helmet-mounted sights. These are considered to be useful tools. Why doesn't glass fall into the same category? Maybe a driving app coupled to a sensor suite on a car?

I suspect that the delta between passing a driver's test and being declared flight-ready for 30 million taxpayer dollars with added explosives has something to do with it...

The fact that military HUDs don't tend to have twitter clients or porn playback support might also be a difference.

If I was paranoid... (1)

TVmisGuided (151197) | about a year ago | (#43269705)

...I'd say the lawmaker was worried about the possibility of the Google Glass user recording what transpires at a traffic stop.

Good thing I'm not paranoid.

Re:If I was paranoid... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43269829)

...I'd say the lawmaker was worried about the possibility of the Google Glass user recording what transpires at a traffic stop.

Good thing I'm not paranoid.

Given that dash cams are 100% legal and start at under $100(typically slightly over if you want GPS included), I'd say that your paranoia needs to use Occam's razor a bit more frequently...

A device with a cell connection is somewhat more likely to get footage offsite even if you end up assaulting the officer's fist with your face, repeatedly; but you could plaster a car with dash-cams(including the flavor that has the camera module connected by a video cable to a recording box embedded deeper in the vehicle), for the price of a single head-mount unit.

Need for Emphasis on Public Transport (3, Insightful)

fygment (444210) | about a year ago | (#43269707)

The Google Glass is likely just the start of the more intimate computing interface industry. So either the industry flops and so no problem, or the industry takes off.

In the latter case, safety would dictate that either cars be made more autonomous (less dependent on driver control) or that public transport be changed to accomodate. Not sure what you could do for the latter but right now the big disincentive to public transport is lack of reliability, privacy, and cleanliness. Improvements would likely turn the tide. As for funding, if say, half the cost of annual private vehicle ownership were instead put completely in to the public transport infrastructure, wouldn't that be sufficient to fuel and sustain the required changes?

Why? (4, Insightful)

sqlrob (173498) | about a year ago | (#43269723)

Enforce the distracted driving laws, done. Covers all current and future technology.

Should eventually legislate for a "driving mode" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269731)

I think an outright ban is the right idea. Then the people who want to use them for HUDs can come up with a practical way to do this (a "driving mode" for example) and then legislate for exceptions to the bill for their use in cars that support such as system.

Can we just ban Google Glass everywhere? (0)

they_call_me_quag (894212) | about a year ago | (#43269791)

Seriously, do we need a bunch of overly connected people recording EVERYTHING?

What real-life problem does Google Glass solve?

Re:Can we just ban Google Glass everywhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269845)

Everything you do is being recorded anyway and can be taken out of context to be used against you. Why not have your own recording to refute such claims against you?

Re:Can we just ban Google Glass everywhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43269859)

privacy. if the authorities don't record you the populous will

All laws should be based on data.... (2, Insightful)

neorush (1103917) | about a year ago | (#43269823)

Once again creating a law for a perceived problem with no data to show it is required. I would think this system would be better, you could Bluetooth your cars info onto the display and it would be less distracting than looking down at the speedometer constantly. Also, this is a good way to kill a cool product like this: http://www.bikebone.com/Heads-Up-Display-for-Motorcycles-FAQs.htm [bikebone.com]

Re:All laws should be based on data.... (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about a year ago | (#43269911)

This law isn't banning HUDs, it is banning HMDs.

Re:All laws should be based on data.... (1)

rogueippacket (1977626) | about a year ago | (#43270001)

No data, eh? Drink some coffee, take a deep breath, then click on the link. Any level of distraction is a bad thing, it seems.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=distracted+driving+statistics [lmgtfy.com]

I will say it again (1, Insightful)

willy everlearn (82796) | about a year ago | (#43269983)

Shut Up, Put down the G** D*** Computer and DRIVE! You are controlling a piece of heavy machinery that can do an INSANE amount of damage.

Wrong Target (1)

ButchDeLoria (2772751) | about a year ago | (#43269999)

If they care so much about stuff like this, why are touchscreen dash controls still legal?
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