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Video Game Industry Starting To Feel Heat On Gun Massacres

samzenpus posted 1 year,24 days | from the put-down-the-controller dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "While much of the scrutiny following the lone gunman-perpetrated massacres at Aurora, CO and Newtown, CT has fallen on the National Rifle Association and its lobbying efforts against gun control, the shooters in both of the aforementioned incidents seemed to have been encouraged by violence in movies and video games. The New York Daily News' Mike Lupica reported last week that investigators of the Newtown case found a huge spreadsheet in the Lanza home where 20-year old Adam Lanza had methodically charted hundreds of past gun massacres, including the number of people killed and the make and model of weapons used. A Connecticut policeman told Lupica 'it sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research', and added, '[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'. In response, the Entertainment Software Association and other lobbyists representing the video game industry have ramped up their Washington lobbying efforts. While still tiny in dollar terms next to the NRA's warchest, this effort seemed to help derail a proposal to fund a Justice Department study of the effects of video games on gun violence, offered as an amendment on the gun control bill by a Republican senator. A spokesman summarized the ESA's position: 'Extensive research has already been conducted and found no connection between media and real-life violence.'"

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The Stupidity, It Hurts! (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271529)

The New York Daily News' Mike Lupica reported last week that investigators of the Newtown case found a huge spreadsheet in the Lanza home where 20-year old Adam Lanza had methodically charted hundreds of past gun massacres, including the number of people killed and the make and model of weapons used.

Okay, so far none of this has anything to do with video games -- does it? Anyone with their mind set and with extreme determination to accomplish the goal would do the above. Hell, this sounds more like the fantasy football people at my office than the gamers.

A Connecticut policeman told Lupica 'it sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research'

So we should ban doctoral theses? We should halt all research? Yeah, if someone is incredibly determined to do something, they're going to make a science out of it and conduct super extensive research. This is true of anything from baseball card collecting to weightlifting to money management to drug dealing. Name a thing. Anything. Now imagine what someone would do if they took it to an extreme level. Yeah, that's what's going on here.

'[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'.

You lost me. This is absolute bullshit. Statements that have more to do with a single person's determination suddenly linked to video games in what should be viewed as illogical stupidity. Oddly this statement can work for anything, weightlifters view their personal records and recorded journals as score sheets. Baseball card collectors view their completed sets and insert sets as score sheets. Farmers that are trying to get the most out of their fields look at their yields like score sheets. I mean, what about sports where you have actual score sheets and stats? Why are we not saying this was the work of an NFL running back or a second degree Taekwondo black-belt?

He did outside research to carry out an incredibly difficult task? Sounds more like your average software documentation than your average video gamer -- time to protect people from research and documentation.

Christ if you want to talk about restricting and banning things, look at the actual tools that he actually used to succeed in carrying out this horrible crime. Where is the logic that violent video games were instrumental in this horrible attack? Where is the link between his research and video games? Because it's a score sheet? Ridiculous!

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (4, Insightful)

night_flyer (453866) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271623)

"if you want to talk about restricting and banning things, look at the actual tools that he actually used to succeed in carrying out this horrible crime."

Ah yes, you don't like your inanimate object blamed, so you want to push the blame off on some other inanimate object.

How about we just blame the person?

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271795)

Or we could, you know, recognize that firearms are a significant force multiplier that make pulling off massacres like this far more trivial than they would be without these weapons.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (4, Insightful)

Anarke_Incarnate (733529) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271893)

That's a load of crap. The original argument stands. The risks involved in a "mass shooting" are small compared to the legal uses of such tools. If someone wants to commit harm, they will. Bombs, fire, etc. You can't legislate away crazy.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (-1, Flamebait)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272053)

...and guess what crusader Joe wants to replace rifles with?



Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (2, Informative)

night_flyer (453866) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272009)

3000+ people were killed by people using box cutters

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272071)

3000+ people were killed by people using box cutters

Oh, there were no planes filled to the brim with jet fuel or high buildings used in that attack?

You gun nuts take logic and cast it off at the first possible point during an argument.

I Don't Care About the Physical Game Itself (3, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271809)

"if you want to talk about restricting and banning things, look at the actual tools that he actually used to succeed in carrying out this horrible crime."

Ah yes, you don't like your inanimate object blamed, so you want to push the blame off on some other inanimate object.

How about we just blame the person?

Wrong. It's about banning speech. If you could show me that the game disc it was printed on had cadmium [wikipedia.org] on it and that it flaked off and was dangerous to human health, I would advocate banning that particular game disc. If you can prove an inanimate object is the reason people are dying, I'll go along with your ideas on restricting it. What I will not agree to is banning books, movies, music, software or anything that represents an "idea" just because you're afraid of those ideas. If I buy a game and download it online, there is no inanimate object. It's information.

Yeah if all game discs could explode and send a piece of metal or lead into someone's chest, I would be interested in heavily restricting the sale of it. Your apples to oranges comparison of "inanimate objects" could also apply to nuclear weapons, C4, ricin, etc. Have fun living in that society! Comparing guns to information just shows that people don't understand the first amendment's importance as being a civil right and are all for only the second amendment that was written when guns were muskets. You can have all the muskets you want at the level of technology that was present when the second amendment came into effect.

Re:I Don't Care About the Physical Game Itself (3, Insightful)

night_flyer (453866) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271945)

oh the good old musket argument... well lets be sure to hold the 1st amendment to the same standard ... technology available at the time of the writing of the 1st amendment Typewriters? Nope! Video games? Nope! Movies? Nope! Internet? Nope! Recorded voice/music? Nope! Television? Nope! Telephone? Nope! By your lame argument, the founding fathers never could have foreseen a world with that kind of technology so it is not protected under the 1st amendment either.

Re:I Don't Care About the Physical Game Itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271993)

oh the good old musket argument... well lets be sure to hold the 1st amendment to the same standard ... technology available at the time of the writing of the 1st amendment Typewriters? Nope! Video games? Nope! Movies? Nope! Internet? Nope! Recorded voice/music? Nope! Television? Nope! Telephone? Nope! By your lame argument, the founding fathers never could have foreseen a world with that kind of technology so it is not protected under the 1st amendment either.

And yet you persist in your comparison of words -- a civil liberty -- to bullets! How can you be so daft? This is apples to oranges beyond grade school proportions.

Re:I Don't Care About the Physical Game Itself (5, Insightful)

night_flyer (453866) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272131)

you don't have he right to protect yourself?

who's going to protect your precious 1st amendment rights?

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271815)

The thing is banning the gun would work to a point (not a position I support btw).

However, just blaming the person does not work either. There is a different aspect here going on. Gun violence in relation to the rest of the world (where there is no rebellion going on) is huge. Just the gun is not the problem, there is something 'wrong' on a more fundamental level.

Just banning things is a simplistic overreaction and skips finding the real issues.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (4, Funny)

PhxBlue (562201) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271845)

When someone goes into a school and kills 20 children with copies of "Grand Theft Auto," call me.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272011)

Challenge accepted!

Or how about (5, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271939)

we blame the lack of mental health services? I don't particularly care about gun control one way or another, but I am tired of people ignoring root causes. In every one of these shootings there have been signs of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia has been shown to be a brain chemistry problem. Fixing it is very, very, very expensive. Even the guy from Aurora (who's dad had lots of money) would be pressed. You need a lot of very specific treatment. So we waste time talking about violent games and guns and anything else but actually paying to identify and treat these people because that would take tax money, and as we all know we're perpetually Taxed To The Max (TM).

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (5, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271679)

It's not about guns and violence. It's a thinly veiled attempt at widening censorship in general and making it acceptable. Seeing that such propaganda itself is so effective, it's hard to doubt that video games do have an effect on people from that standpoint. The solution is to strengthen resistance to propaganda, something that needs to be done from infancy onward.

Censor what? (3, Informative)

rsilvergun (571051) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272049)

Do you watch the news in America? All economic discussion regardless of who does it is from a corporate/conservative standpoint of low taxes, few regulations and minimal government intervention (except for bailouts). Yeah, there's some liberal bias in social issues. But what the hell does that matter in the real world. In economics there is no dissenting opinion. What in Gods name do they need to censor? They already have control over everything that matters. If I control your economy I control you. You're not free unless your economically secure.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271703)

Agreed... Seeing a spreadsheet and think it's the work of a gamer? What about a gambler.. or a Sports fan? or an accountant?

I make work-related spreadsheets way more then game-related spreadsheets... and I certainly feel the work related ones are 'scored' more often then my personal spreadsheets...

But I will gladly take a PhD for my Doctorate research work in determining the Mean, Median, Std. Dev, ROI, and other stats related to the Slicing Box missions of SWTOR...

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (3, Informative)

meerling (1487879) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271965)

Not to mention two more things about that.
First, since when is a cop qualified to make such and unsubstantiated psychological conclusion and it be seriously considered?
Second, video gamers, hard core or otherwise, don't make spreadsheets of kills with weapons. That's far more like something a dev does to fine tune popularity and effectiveness of their games arsenal. Sure, there's a few ocd types that'll do something as pointless and unfun as that, but then again, I bet you'll find more government employees making those exact same things right now.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (1)

X0563511 (793323) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271733)

This is why we "gun nuts" get so frustrated and mouthy.

You can only fight the stupid for so long before you just... get angry at it.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272075)

If you can't handle frustration though, why is it we're supposed to trust you with firearms?

And of course, the "gun nuts" seem to want everybody to put up with their stupidity. I've seen a lot of bumper stickers with statements that are belligerent and hostile.

Do the people who put them on their cars ever think what image it really sends? It doesn't make them look like a tough-guy you don't want to mess with, it makes them look like a violent thug you should deal with before they cause greater harm.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271877)

Don't you understand that only video games have scores? Think of the children!

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271999)

Okay, so far none of this has anything to do with video games -- does it?

Each time he passed from one room to the next, he dropped the magazine from his gun - empty or not - and reloaded.

Just like he learned playing Counterstrike.

Re:The Stupidity, It Hurts! (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272059)

"A Connecticut policeman told Lupica 'it sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research'"

Has Officer Donut ever seen a doctoral thesis? You'd have to be going to a pretty shitty school if you can get a PhD for going all OCD on the media clippings file and copying down a spreadsheet full of kill stats...

Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (1)

thatkid_2002 (1529917) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271539)

So games are the clearly the first scapegoat. What next?

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271605)

They've been the scapegoat since Columbine.

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272133)


'[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'

wtf!??!?!??! how to go from a spreadsheet to gamer? might as well go from spreadsheet to accountant, the logical jump makes no sense!

also, keep in mind there are games with no guns in them - I'm playing through Arkham City right now, and Batman doesn't kill anybody!

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (5, Funny)

swanzilla (1458281) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271637)

Microsoft Excel?

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (2)

buzzsawddog (1980902) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271735)

YES!!! Microsoft Excel is CLEARLY the problem here. Excel is the clear problem! If we ban Excel and more exactly Microsoft out problems will go away...

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271709)

Um, in case you missed it, firearms (including those who buy, sell, an manufacture them) were the first scapegoat.

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271753)

So games are the clearly the first scapegoat.

Second, after the gun.

What next?

I can tell you what won't be next - blaming the dickhead that actually committed the crime.

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (3, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271777)

I'm not a big fan of guns or gun rights, but I'm pretty sure that games are not the first scapegoat, guns were. And while I haven't been paying attention to NRA press releases, I haven't heard much noise about the gun industry trying to shift the blame onto videogames either. So I don't see how videogames will be left holding the bag, unless we let pro-censorship groups (I think they call themselves concerned parents organizations or something like that) run wild with it.

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271781)

So games are the clearly the first scapegoat. What next?

It seems logical. Just look at how many massacres occur in Japan. Oh, wait!

How about movies? I guess that doesn't work out.

Hmm, how about violent comics? Nope.

I'm running out of ideas. What could possibly be different about Japan that accounts for their low gun murder rate? I'd mention gun control, but that would just be crazy!

Re:Another one bites the dust? (well, not yet) (1)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272135)

They also have a society where casual capitol punishment was commonplace into the modern era. You could quite literally get summarily executed for not bowing low enough.

My hosts file blocks 97% of malware and bullets (-1)

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apk on 4chan [4chan.org]




That was amazing. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]


He's done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone in the "do it right and set up a firewall" crowd ever could. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


Can I have some of what you're on? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]


oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]


As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]


It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]


$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]


And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]


Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]


golfclap - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]


The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]


DNS cube? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]


KUDOS valiant AC. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]


You made my day, thanks! - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]


You got that right. I think. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]


Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]


ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]


I miss Dr Bob. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]


I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]


1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]


What? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]


I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]


er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]


performance art - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]


Seems more like an apk parody. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]


Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]


I can has summary? - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]


I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]


If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]


DAFUQ I just look at? - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]


Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]


Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com]. Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]


Best. Troll. Ever. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]


I like monkeys. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]


lul wut? - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]


I admire this guy's persistence. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]


Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org], where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]


^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]


Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto]'s tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]


The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]


YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]


I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]


Can I be in your quote list? - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]


Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]


I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]


You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]


oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]


"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]


"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]


"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]


Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]


you have a point - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]


I do admire that level of dedication. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]


I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]


I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]


Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]


Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]


Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]


Professional. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]


I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029 [slashdot.org]


extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855 [slashdot.org]


You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043 [slashdot.org]


Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311 [slashdot.org]


this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127 [slashdot.org]


You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747 [slashdot.org]


Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975 [slashdot.org]


Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495 [slashdot.org]


Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993 [slashdot.org]


Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883 [slashdot.org]


PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029 [slashdot.org]


I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325 [slashdot.org]


PROOF apk is a liar! - http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249 [slashdot.org]


I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657 [slashdot.org]


Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767 [slashdot.org]


Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42698875 [slashdot.org]


Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3554655&cid=43209619 [slashdot.org]


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 [slashdot.org]


You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3580251&cid=43270359 [slashdot.org]


Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.


Disproof of all apk's statements:
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Dum dum dum (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#43271613)

'[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'

Ok, that's some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Re:Dum dum dum (2)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271671)

Yeah, What gamer seriously puts down the controller long enough to A) do research and B) create a detailed excel file? This is obviously the work of a grad student or scientist. We should burn them all at the stak.... hold on someone's at the door.

Re:Dum dum dum (1)

Talderas (1212466) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271727)

EVE players but we know Lanza didn't play EVE. EVE players usually end up on the receiving end of massacres, like in Benghazi, than going on them.

Re:Dum dum dum (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271767)

Yeah, What gamer seriously puts down the controller long enough to A) do research and B) create a detailed excel file

Ever play Eve?
Or World of Warcraft and use the Elitist Jerks forum?

Re:Dum dum dum (1)

sa666_666 (924613) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271837)

Don't give them any ideas. Then again, with the amount of anti-intellectualism in the US lately, it seems they already have the idea.

Re:Dum dum dum (3, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272013)

Some time ago a normal looking guy tried to bum some money from me, supposedly for a cup of coffee. Instead I offered to go into a deli with him and pay for his coffee, which he declined. I talked with him some more, and he told me how he asks strangers for money daily, but not because he needs the money. It's a game of points to him. One dollar is one hundred points. I realized that he obviously had some deeper mental issues, and after (unsuccessfully) trying to explain to him why he shouldn't do that to people, I left him.

To all outward appearances this guy seemed 'normal', but he did have his own weird point scoring game inside his head that he plays on people. (And I thank God that the 'points' he plays for are really just pennies.)

Follow the money. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#43271615)

Violent video games are really hurting the sales of violent movies, since they offer a much better $/hour conversion, generally. I'm sure Hollywood et al, is seeing the $4 billion profit of the video game industry and want some of that action. I'd try to stifle my competition as well, if I had enough lobbying clout to persuade Congress on policy. This happens in every industry.

a spreadsheet is a violent video game (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#43271633)


Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#43271635)

Blaming Guns is stupid and blaming video games or movies is stupid. Nothing anyone has proposed would stop some people from just snapping and using any means they have to kill innocent people. If he didn't have guns he could make a bomb ala Oklahoma City... that bomb killed 168, injured more than 600 and cost less than $5,000 to do.

We need a mirror (4, Insightful)

Rufus Firefly (2379458) | 1 year,24 days | (#43271639)

Because the only ones to blame is our collective self. Violent media--TV shows, movies, video games, death metal, etc.--are an expression of our society's extreme unfocused anger, not the cause. Silly politicians and your simple solutions to complex problems.

Still pointing fingers (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#43271647)

Score sheets are prior to video games.

so i guess we should... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271693)

outlaw spreadsheets.

The work of a video gamer? (0)

dgharmon (2564621) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271695)

"A Connecticut policeman told Lupica 'it sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research', and added, '[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'."

Video games don't kill people, guns do. It's the arms manufacturers who should be held to account. Any lawyers out there up for a class action suit.

Re:The work of a video gamer? (1)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271799)

Since there were huge numbers of murders and massacres before the gun was invented, there isn't much of a legal case here.

Re:The work of a video gamer? (1)

Trailer Trash (60756) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271829)

"A Connecticut policeman told Lupica 'it sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research', and added, '[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'."

Video games don't kill people, guns do. It's the arms manufacturers who should be held to account. Any lawyers out there up for a class action suit.

Yep, video games, spreadsheets, guns - anything but that person who actually committed the crime...

Re:The work of a video gamer? (1)

andydread (758754) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271865)

Drivers don't kill people, cars do It's the car manufacturers who should be held to account. Any lawyers out there up for a class action suit.

And a connection would matter why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271713)

Extensive research shows that the 1994 assualt weapon ban had no link on reducing violent crime either.

In fact research tends to show that the more guns around the lower the crime.

The reality is that these laws are not about reducing crime or saving lives; they're emotional reactions that are to limit our freedom.

I can't keep my kids from being killed by guns... (3, Funny)

tutufan (2857787) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271721)

...but at least I can keep them from being virtually killed by virtual guns.

Media coverage (5, Interesting)

thepike (1781582) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271737)

If we're going to blame some form of popular media, it should be the news media, in my opinion. Sure, you can argue that maybe video games desensitize people to violence and (apparently) allow people to keep score (ban Parcheesi too, or cribbage), but I would say that the constant coverage of killers and whatnot on the news is what makes it worse. I have no evidence to back this up, but it certainly gives people ideas about what to do or how to do it, as well as showing them that if they do this sort of thing they're going to live on in news coverage long after they're dead. If these are, as often portrayed, lost souls reaching out for something (in a very inappropriate way), what better way to go than to emblazon your name across all news outlets?

You're partially right (4, Insightful)

geek (5680) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271949)

Lanza killed a lot of young children. It's the sort of thing the news media eats up because 1) it involves children which immediately gets the attention of every parent int he country and 2) Lanza had serious emotional issues (and psychological ones too).

It's the type of story no one can ignore and let's face a sad reality. Most people are fucking drama queens. That's why Oprah is successful, why Jerry Springer and Maury Povitch have TV shows. That's why The Young and the Restless has been on TV for 40 friggin years and produced over 10,000 episodes. People or nosey pricks that need to get involved in everything.

Kids see this and realize "Hey, I can get tons of attention by doing the same thing!" Video games aren't directly to blame. Bad, no, piss poor parenting is to blame. Video games have just made kids a hell of a lot better at it. They now know how to frag large groups of people because they do it on CoD and Halo. It's like free training for emotional disturbed people.

The solution isn't easy. You have to first make sure that these kids are being found and helped before they become killers. In almost every case people describe the killers as sweet kids pushed too far by home, school and life stresses. If you know a kid like this fucking help them! In addition to this, start cracking down hard on the little fuckers that are bullying in school. I knew plenty of these assholes growing up. Most of them are now rich and successful because they learned bullying pays off. They climbed the corporate ladder being the pricks their parents raised them to be.

The problems are societal. It's not the guns killing people. It's society eating itself. People blaming it on any one thing need to go fuck themselves. They are part of the problem.

Blame something! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271749)

This is another knee jerk reaction to these recent mass shootings.

NONE of these shooting would have been prevented with ANY of the legislation that is being proposed by lawmakers. Assault weapons ban, large magazine capacity, even extending background checks to cover the mentally ill. Take a look at every mass shooting we've had recently, and then take a look at all the proposed legislation. Ask yourself: What in these bills would have prevented any of these from happening?

Assault weapons ban: Wouldn't have stopped any of them as all the proposed legislation would grandfather in existing owners.

Large magazine ban: Would also grandfather them in.

Mental health checks: These weapons were stolen from legitimate users or bought legally. You MIGHT have gotten Aurora stopped. But even then, there's a whole lot of "what if's" in that scenario.

No gun control advocate wants to face the harsh reality: In a free and open society, sometimes bad people do bad things, and there's nothing you can do to stop them until it's too late.

More laws is not the answe (5, Insightful)

night_flyer (453866) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271759)

How many laws did Lanza break before even firing a shot in Sandyhook?

he murdered his mother, stole her guns, used guns in the commission of a crime, premeditated the murder, had guns on school property, and broke into school property, yet he was not apprehended for any of those crimes.

Re:More laws is not the answe (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271977)

If video games are illegal then only criminals will have video games.

("Mom, can I get Call of Duty?" "Goodness no! That's far too dangerous! Here, have a gun instead.")

Why not research? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271805)

As a video gamer, I do not want anyone to take away something I enjoy, but I cannot understand the problem with studying their affect on people. If it was couched as a cost saving effort, i.e. don't study something we already spent money studying, I would agree but I think we should be increasing the funding for all of these studies. How do movies, music, video games, watching CSPAN, etc, etc, etc, affect how we perceive and react to the world around us.

Don't let the effort to protect video games or any other art form stop researchers from studying these aspects of the human psych.

Looking at methods, not motivations. (5, Insightful)

concealment (2447304) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271811)

People don't know the cause of school shootings, so they're trying to chip away at the methods used to achieve them. Banning guns, video games, heavy metal, etc. all fit into this in that people perceive these as being contributing factors to why people shoot up schools.

But what makes them want to shoot up schools? I'd say there are two issues here:

1. Mental health, especially undiagnosed mental health issues. In this society, all you can do if someone has issues is either pay for them to get treatment, or start a process that's going to get them confined in mental institutions.

2. Media coverage, because if you shoot up a school and get a high enough kill count, you're going to be on the front page of CNN etc. for weeks.

In this society we have an ugly tendency to assume that methods and not inner motivations, including ability and mental health, are important. We think that memorizing facts is more important than having mental ability; we look at whether people are obedient to social norms rather than whether what they're doing is right.

These types of situations suggest our society has some pathological need to avoid looking at our motivations. Perhaps we're afraid we'll find nothing but making money, watching TV, and eating Taco Bell.

I hope not.

Re:Looking at methods, not motivations. (1)

hduff (570443) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271971)

2. Media coverage, because if you shoot up a school and get a high enough kill count, you're going to be on the front page of CNN etc. for weeks.

You get your own graphics and theme music so it is so worth it.

work of a video gamer (4, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271817)

This was the work of a video gamer

Fuck you. Your detective work is the work of an imbecile.

Re:work of a video gamer (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271929)

Creating detailed spreadsheets and doing all that research sounds like way too much effort for most video gamers I know.

The whole point of video games (Versus say, pen & paper RPG) is that the computer does the annoying calculations for you.

blame Bruce Willis (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271841)

I think Bruce Willis is personally responsible for much of the gun violence in this country. I know that after watching the movie looper on a plane recently, I was ready to hurt everyone involved in its production. Just kidding feds.

But what kind of gamer? (1)

AdamHaun (43173) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271855)

The New York Daily News' Mike Lupica reported last week that investigators of the Newtown case found a huge spreadsheet in the Lanza home where 20-year old Adam Lanza had methodically charted hundreds of past gun massacres, including the number of people killed and the make and model of weapons used. A Connecticut policeman told Lupica 'it sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research', and added, '[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'.

Come on, a gamer wouldn't do that kind of research unless they were playing MMOs, or *maybe* a hardcore RPG. If he played shooters he would have just accused the other killers of hacking and tried to build an aimbot in retaliation.

(I am a bad person.)

Shutup (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271859)

There is no link between violence and video games! If there was a link between violence and video games then there would be a link between other genre's of video games like fantasy and human acts, last time I checked no one ever made a turtle cart and raced around town throwing banana's on the ground. I'm sick of hearing how video games are linked to violence. if your sick enough in the head to go a shoot a school then your going to do it regardless of if you play some james bond or battle field. Maybe instead of blaming the games you could blame everyone else who doesn't step in to help these sick assholes before they kill. How about teachers who turn a blind eye cause violence or parents who don't punish create violence, because I can promise that before the video game could have an effect people have already given up.

sounds like something from "criminal minds" (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271861)

"this is no ordinary spreadsheet...
(dramatic pause) ...this is a score sheet!"
dundun daaa!

Here piggy piggy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271867)

Give the poor cop a break. He is very obviously suffering from withdraw from not having any donuts that day.

a person can be smart.. (1)

houbou (1097327) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271879)

but people are morons. Instead of taking personal accountability for these issues, they blame the video industry. The problem is excess or in this case, who needs a military grade assault weapon? Banning video game isn't the issue. People need to stop making kids they can't raise and be good parents for. And those who have kids, stop using your TV as your baby sitter. Sheesh..

It WAS just a spreadsheet. (1)

hduff (570443) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271907)


But we should ban spreadsheeting, you know, because of the children.

Smart cop? (5, Funny)

vvaduva (859950) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271909)

I think I have a problem with a cop's ability to judge the quality of research as "PhD quality."

Re:Smart cop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272153)

Don' worry, he has mail order degrees in murderology and murderonomy.

Children used to watch "The Three Stooges" . . . (5, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271911)

. . . and somehow, they didn't go around tearing hair out, gouging eyes or putting someone's head in a vice.

Because they knew that was TV, and it wasn't a grand idea to try it out on your kid sister.

If video games cause a kid to go postal, there is something else wrong with the kid.

TFA here (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271927)


It actually wasn't Lupica (the reporter) saying these things - it was a cop he was interviewing. And yes, there are some stretches the guy makes attempting to link the situation to games, although some aren't so far fetched (tactical reloading, etc...)

Overall agree though - the problem with Lanza wasn't video games. It was insanity.

Holy shit. (1)

coniferous (1058330) | 1 year,23 days | (#43271953)

"'[Mass killers such as Lanza] don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet. This was the work of a video gamer'.

Does this remind anyone else of Jack Thomson?

Bullshit reasoning, and totally fished out of someones ass conclusion.

Fund a study on newspapers and tv news (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43271975)

They're the ones that provide the stats for previous mass killings, the weapons used, etc. The regular media are the ones providing the data for this killer's "research" into massacres in the *real*world*. If video games provided anything at all, it would be misleading and inaccurate because they aren't the real world.

Yet it's obviously video games that receive the attention, not Microsoft Excel, the sources of the data he collected, or (more logically) the various failures of the local police and medical system to find and treat a person with serious mental health issues and malicious intent, or the failure to ensure that weapons and ammo were secured at his house. Blaming video games is so much easier, because goodness knows there were never any mass murderers before video games showed up on the scene.

Perfect Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272005)

This is the perfect article; it gives everyone a chance to proselytize for the things they support and/or rail against what they oppose.

Gun rights advocates get to blame video games!

Video game lovers will blame guns!

Video game-loving gun rights advocates blame other stuff!

And people who blame guns and video games will just keep on keepin' on.

Oh, and don't forget the "laws don't stop criminals" crowd!

It's like one big fatalist circle jerk.

I'm going to get Police Academy PhD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272017)

Wow I think I'm going to get a PhD at a Police Academy. It looks like it just requires a "huge" spreadsheet with 100s of rows of data!

Oh, the humanity.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272031)

Why do people only go after video games when this happens? Is it because they've already lost headway in the case against movies, books, and other forms of glorification of guns and murder in media?

Why is it that people glorify the fight to have and carry and use firearms, but fight against their glorification in fantasies designed to keep people from stressing out enough to WANT to use their guns in real life?

We need to re-focus video game violence... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272061)

... back to defeating headcrabs with crowbars.

Welcome the diversionary tactics! (4, Insightful)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272063)

We don't want to do anything that may jeopardize our political career by limiting access to firearms, so let's start blaming video games and violent movies. Never mind the fact that this media is available globally and the US seems the be the only country having a sizable problem with firearm related violence or that the firearms flowed freely for so long that we will never be able to "put the toothpaste back into the tube".

Nothing like pretending we are going to solve all our problems legislatively to keep us in office.

new studies (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#43272073)

- A new study reveals that gun massacres will stop if you ban video games
- A new study reveals that gun massacres didn't exist before the introduction of video games
- A new study reveals that gun massacres were committed by people wielding guns 100% of the time

It's a joke, I didn't conduct any of these studies! :-) Since you've been reading this, which one of the studies would seem accurate and thus, hold a solution for the problem in your view?

They did this with Dungeons & Dragons (4, Insightful)

AllenABQ (987944) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272123)

For anyone old enough to remember. D&D was maligned in its glory days as an sinister force that warped its players into becoming suicidal/homicidal recluses unable to distinguish reality from fantasy. There were even "true crime" novels written about people who played the game, and it turned them into murderous psychopaths. This was all total bullshit, of course. Having played numerous RPGs with pen and paper and then later going on to study acting, the very thing these games were maligned for was a grossly simplified (and more rule-based) version of what any theater major would do on a daily basis in a university actor training program. I can't recall an abundance of actors that went on mass killing sprees, even when performing in shows like "Annie Get Your Gun".

It blows my mind... (5, Insightful)

bennini (800479) | 1 year,23 days | (#43272149)

It blows my mind that anyone (especially American lawmakers) would seriously consider banning video games before banning guns.
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