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Ask Nathan Myhrvold What You Will, Live Q&A April 3

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the ask-away dept.

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He was the CTO at Microsoft, is an accomplished nature and wildlife photographer, and his cookbook Modernist Cuisine won a James Beard award, but Nathan Myhrvold is probably best known for being co-founder and CEO of Intellectual Ventures. In 2009 the company launched a prototyping and research laboratory called Intellectual Ventures Lab. The lab has hired many prominent scientists to work on a variety of inventions including safer nuclear reactor designs and vaccine research. Under Myhrvold's direction Intellectual Ventures has purchased 40,000 patents and applications and internally developed over 2000 inventions, but not without controversy. Nathan has agreed to take some time to answer your questions but please limit yourself to one question per post. As a bonus on Wed. April 3, Nathan will be doing a live Q&A from 12-12:30pm PDT.

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124 comments

Is the money worth it? (5, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43293103)

Is the money made in patent trolling worth being that kind of scumbag?

Re:Is the money worth it? (0, Troll)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#43293281)

I vote for this question to be asked 10 times and nothing else.

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293615)

Something tells me that whatever PR machine ginned up this interview wasn't in touch with IV's negative publicity. Interview soon to be cancelled...

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293515)

Yes.

Re:Is the money worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293701)

Answer? "fool, you be trippin" (in. re. hate the player v. hate the game)

Patent reform needs to happen but it is completely impractical to ask that companies reform themselves in an attempt to reform the system. That being said, Myhrvold & Co. has done some very cool things, but it's only worth it if the ends justify the means.

posting AC because mods sure do hate anyone who doesn't hate patent trolls...

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1, Troll)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43294091)

Ah, Mr. Myhrvold, can you wait until your interview to answer the questions?

Re:Is the money worth it? (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43294267)

That sort of gutter ethics is why we are in this boat.

I hate the game, the player, and the system that made them both.

If you don't have enough self respect to not do unethical things just because they are legal I consider you barely a person.

Re:Is the money worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43295857)

That sort of gutter ethics is why we are in this boat.

I hate the game, the player, and the system that made them both.

If you don't have enough self respect to not do unethical things just because they are legal I consider you barely a person.

If there is a universal ethical obligation to NOT patent troll, why is it that people generally don't give two shits on the subject? There are any number of ways reform could happen (protest at the local, state, or national level) and yet all that ever happens is the occasional thousand post submission on Slashdot or Reddit or one of the other ultimately completely backwater web sites that is sure to have no consequence at all. At a certain point, you have to ask if your ethics really match that of the rest of the country. If they do? March on Washington DC and demand change! It's working for the gays, that's for sure.

posting AC because, well... patents, "Get off your computer", and gays in one paragraph. yeah this is going to mod hell.

Re:Is the money worth it? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43295901)

Because some people are bad. There is a universal ethical obligation to not molest children, but some people do that too.

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293803)

This question has to be asked, exactly in that form.

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294219)

Q: “How do you sleep at night, making money the way you do?!”
A: “On a gigantic pile of Benjamins, with many beautiful women.”

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294237)

"Note: I require all my butlers to change their name to 'Benjamin'."

Re:Is the money worth it? (1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43294285)

Hey mods, Troll is not code for I disagree.

Re:Is the money worth it? (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43294429)

In addition to crushing the world with your Bilderberg-planned schemes for planetary oppression, I understand that you also feast on the flesh of new-born, human infants.

What's it like?

Re:Is the money worth it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43295417)

Why do you stalk and harass apk, Jeremy?

Do patents hold value without litigation? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293123)

What is your opinion on the current status of patent law in the US, which holds the Patent Office as a gatekeeper but a judge as the final arbiter of a patent's validity?

Is the Patent System broken? (4, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43293125)

Many readers of Slashdot (myself included) feel that the patent system is broken. I haven't heard any criticisms from you or Intellectual Ventures so I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about the patent system. Is it fundamentally broken? Only a little broken? Working flawlessly and exactly as it was intended to work?

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43293191)

its mostly the bloggers saying that the patent is broken. and then they quote a single sentence from a 50 page or longer patent application to try to prove their case.

look at the actuall paperwork filed. its a lot longer and more detailed than the click bait blog stories you rely on. the verge and others are nothing more than the yellow journalism and tabloids of the internet

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (2)

schneidafunk (795759) | about a year ago | (#43293359)

Just because the paperwork is long does not mean the patented idea has any real innovation.

For example, Halliburton patenting the patenting process: Patent Acquisition and Assertion by a (Non-Inventor) First Party Against a Second Party [freepatentsonline.com]

Or exercising a cat with a laser pointer [freepatentsonline.com]

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294707)

Nilay Patel was a lawyer, and Matt Macari is a practicing patent attorney. Please tell me the credentials making you more qualified to discuss the technology concerns and legality surrounding patent law and IP than the two authors mentioned.

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (3)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#43293517)

Given that the patent system directly supports his current anti-economic activity, do you seriously think he's going to give you the answer he wants? I'm sure he'll go "oh yes it's broken, there are so many areas not covered by patents that should be..."

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (4, Interesting)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43293969)

Nathan Myhvold will be our guest and it would be bad manners to ask rude questions – so let us see if we can modify this question – because asking hard questions is fine.

Do you feel that the patent system is broken? If so, how would you change it?

It has been suggested that different industries patents should be valid for different periods of time. For example, drugs should have a longer time period because of the lengthy testing and approval process. What do you think the optimal time for a software patent should be?

Can anybody think of a better, more specific question than that?

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (-1, Troll)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43294111)

Can anybody think of a better, more specific question than that?

What is your username and password to your internal site?

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294257)

Nathan Myhvold will be our guest and it would be bad manners to ask rude questions – so let us see if we can modify this question – because asking hard questions is fine.

Right, we have to put on the mittens when it comes to ruthless billionaire businessmen ...

WOW

What Is Rude About the OP's Questions? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294339)

Nathan Myhvold will be our guest and it would be bad manners to ask rude questions

What, exactly, is rude about the original questions?

Re:What Is Rude About the OP's Questions? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43294773)

On second read maybe rude is not the right word – aggressive might be better. The OP plainly assumes that the patent system is broken. (which I agree with.) The OP then states that Myhvold is silent, thus backing the corrupt current system. This would put Myhvold on the defensive and shut down the conversation.

Better to ask open ended questions, free of assumptions or accusation, sit back, and see what unfolds. Myhvold probably has some specific view and passion when it comes to the subject. Get him started on the subject. We may see a new viewpoint. As an good interview knows, get a person to talk and something interesting will come out of it.

Another way to put it, give a man enough rope and they will hang themselves. I feel that the original question would tend to shut down the conversation.

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43297677)

Considering his abuse of said patent system is contributing to the legal minefield stifling software development, I don't see why anyone should approach him on bended knee. This was obviously a veiled advertisment from the start, maybe he doesn't deserve to be Slashdot's "guest."

Re:Is the Patent System broken? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43296397)

Way too diplomatic, dude... what you're shooting for is this:

"Is there a particular type of fire that you would feel comfortable dying in? If so, what's a good time and place?"

Relationship to Oasis Research and Lodsys? (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43293141)

One of my favorite radio shows called "This American Life" covered Intellectual Ventures extensively about two years ago (PDF transcript here [thisamericanlife.org] audio here [thisamericanlife.org] ) in an episode called "When Patents Attack!" They tried to visit Oasis Research offices at 104 East Houston Street, Suite 190 in Marshall, Texas but found them largely vacant. What is IV's relationship with Oasis Research and Lodsys and why are these empty offices in Marshall, Texas? What sort of partners are Lodsys and Oasis Research? Customers? Licensees?

Re:Relationship to Oasis Research and Lodsys? (1)

Theaetetus (590071) | about a year ago | (#43294903)

One of my favorite radio shows called "This American Life" covered Intellectual Ventures extensively about two years ago (PDF transcript here [thisamericanlife.org] audio here [thisamericanlife.org] ) in an episode called "When Patents Attack!" They tried to visit Oasis Research offices at 104 East Houston Street, Suite 190 in Marshall, Texas but found them largely vacant. What is IV's relationship with Oasis Research and Lodsys and why are these empty offices in Marshall, Texas? What sort of partners are Lodsys and Oasis Research? Customers? Licensees?

If IV isn't related to Lodsys and Oasis Research, then I don't see how Myhrvold could possibly answer this question. Is this a witch hunt or a real question?

Re:Relationship to Oasis Research and Lodsys? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294975)

One of my favorite radio shows called "This American Life" covered Intellectual Ventures extensively about two years ago (PDF transcript here [thisamericanlife.org] audio here [thisamericanlife.org] ) in an episode called "When Patents Attack!" They tried to visit Oasis Research offices at 104 East Houston Street, Suite 190 in Marshall, Texas but found them largely vacant. What is IV's relationship with Oasis Research and Lodsys and why are these empty offices in Marshall, Texas? What sort of partners are Lodsys and Oasis Research? Customers? Licensees?

If IV isn't related to Lodsys and Oasis Research, then I don't see how Myhrvold could possibly answer this question. Is this a witch hunt or a real question?

It's the followup to investigative journalism that IV at first went along with and then suddenly clammed up about.

what are the differences from the past? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43293153)

i read that we had the same kind of patent battles 100 years ago in the last technological revolution. how are things different now than before?

were there any IP companies at that time?

Re:what are the differences from the past? (4, Interesting)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43294069)

Those patents were for making things and scope was well defined.

First, the newer set of patents tend to be for ideas and business processes and are not well defined and tend to be broad. I forget the details, but somebody has a patent for transmitting images over a network which in theory covers almost every moving image on the internet – and this was not for a specific method, code, or algorithm of doing so – just the general idea.

Second, devices are getting more complex and interrelated. A cell phone needs patents covering data transmission, networking protocols, digital camera, OS, etc. Throw on top of that design patents (look and feel) and it is a real mess.

Re:what are the differences from the past? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43294081)

Follow up – I am in favor of patents – it just the system needs a major overhaul.

Chris Crawford Substitute? (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43293161)

"This American Life" covered Intellectual Ventures extensively about two years ago (PDF transcript here [thisamericanlife.org] audio here [thisamericanlife.org] ) in an episode called "When Patents Attack!" And Joe Chernesky referred them to Chris Crawford as an example of where Intellectual Ventures had helped an inventor license his/her patents to customers. Since the Chris Crawford lead largely turned up to be bogus, could you refer us to a few small time inventors that Intellectual Ventures has helped license their patents to licensees without having to get into extensive litigation?

Re:Chris Crawford Substitute? (1)

Theaetetus (590071) | about a year ago | (#43295033)

"This American Life" covered Intellectual Ventures extensively about two years ago (PDF transcript here [thisamericanlife.org] audio here [thisamericanlife.org] ) in an episode called "When Patents Attack!" And Joe Chernesky referred them to Chris Crawford as an example of where Intellectual Ventures had helped an inventor license his/her patents to customers. Since the Chris Crawford lead largely turned up to be bogus, could you refer us to a few small time inventors that Intellectual Ventures has helped license their patents to licensees without having to get into extensive litigation?

I'm not sure that's even remotely reasonable. From your linked PDF:

We found Chris Crawford in Clearwater, Florida, but as predicted, he never responded to our many e-mails and phone calls. You will never hear from him in this story.

If someone refuses to talk to you, that doesn't give you license to say that their story was turned up to be bogus. You may assume that it is, and you may assume various negative things about them or their credibility, but you haven't actually shown anything.

In fact, most of that This American Life episode was pretty poor, research-wise. Consider this quote:

Alex: And on David Martin’s computer screen, we see lots of patents with slightly different language, but covering essentially the same idea. For example patent number 6003044 for “efficiently backing up files using multiple computer systems.” Patent 5933653 for “mirroring data in a remote data storage system.” And then there were three different patents with three different patent numbers but that all had the same title, “System and Method for Backing Up Computer Files Over a Wide Area Computer Network.”

First, titles are not patent claims. There are literally tens of thousands of patents titled "wheel" and hundreds of thousands titled "engine". That doesn't mean they're all claiming the same invention. In fact, the title has no legal weight whatsoever.
Second, those "three different patent numbers that all had the same title" are really one application and two continuations. By definition, they have to have the same title, so it's really just spreading so much FUD to complain about it.

Re:Chris Crawford Substitute? (1)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43295219)

You're not reading the whole transcript, are you? Let me pick out more excerpts for you:

Laura: And in fact, that’s what’s happening with Chris Crawford’s patent. Intellectual Ventures sold it to another company, a company called Oasis Research, in June of 2010. Less than a month later, Oasis Research used the patent to sue 16 different tech companies. Companies like Rackspace, Go Daddy, and AT&T. Companies that do cloud storage.

Okay so there's IV's link to Oasis Research (another you questioned earlier in these comments) and let's read a little further, shall we?

Alex: The first owner is clear, it’s Chris Crawford, who was granted the patent in 1998. And then, it’s clear that a company named Intellectual Ventures Computing Platforce Assets, LLC. — no one could actually tell us what a “platforce” is — bought the patent in July of 2010. But in between those two dates, there are two other owners. A company called Kwon Holdings and another one named Enhanced Software, LLC. And what was odd, Kwon Holdings, Enhanced Software and Intellectual Ventures all have the same address.

Okay more shell companies and let's read a little further still:

Alex: So can you point me to a patent that you acquired that was languishing but then got licensed to somebody and built in a way that I could see? Detkin: I can tell you that it’s happened, but unfortunately the deal is confidential. There are two deals that were done. One was with a toy company. The other was, I can’t remember the technology of the other one but they came to us and they said we’re interested in this particular patent. We’d like to take it out into the world. Will you give us a license? And we did. And they put it out there. It was out there for last Christmas. I actually don’t know how it’s done. I would be curious to find out myself. But I agree, that’s an anomaly. I see where you’re going with your question and I don’t mean to fight you on it. The fact is the bulk of our patents, the bulk of our revenue is from people using inventions they were using it before we bought it and they were using it after we bought it, but we provided an efficient way for them to get access to those invention rights. Alex: The way I hear what you’re saying, the way I translate it in my head, is they were using it before without paying a license and nobody was bothering them. And now they are paying a license to you. Why is that a better situation? Detkin: Well, because we want to incentivize the guy who invented it.

And that's where their investigation ends. Which is why I think their Chris Crawford example is bogus. Because all it did was lead to shell companies who were pursuing litigation and IV was an "interested party" on the docket. But yeah, tell who ever is paying you to come on Slashdot and defend these guys that it's not going to work.

First, titles are not patent claims.

I don't think that was ever said on that episode and, if you pay attention, they're just highlighting that five thousand people were trying to patent a particularly thing that was very similar in achieving the same overall goal. And they were right and the reason they did that was to show the listener that it's impossible for the small time inventor to read over these things and stay up to date on inventions -- take what you want from that, you obviously took it to the level of someone who's just skimming this looking for out of context errors. Congratulations!

In fact, most of that This American Life episode was pretty poor, research-wise.

"Most of it"?! You didn't even listen to it, it's an hour long and you cite one out of context sentence! How can you possibly say that, they actually went to Marshall, Texas, they actually did legwork, they actually tried to ask questions and they got shut down by everyone, Myhrvold (autocomplete wants me to put Voldemort in there btw) wouldn't even talk to them and now you're jumping all over me for trying to answer these questions they uncovered?

I can't believe it, you're some kind of anti-investigative journalism person?

Re:Chris Crawford Substitute? (1)

Theaetetus (590071) | about a year ago | (#43295737)

And that's where their investigation ends. Which is why I think their Chris Crawford example is bogus. Because all it did was lead to shell companies who were pursuing litigation and IV was an "interested party" on the docket.

What makes that "bogus"? The fact that IV apparently uses shell corporations suddenly means that the patent doesn't exist, or that Crawford doesn't exist, or that he didn't make money from the sale? I think you're confusing two topics - taxes and patents.

But yeah, tell who ever is paying you to come on Slashdot and defend these guys that it's not going to work.

Troll much? I disagree with you, so therefore I must be a shill. It's unusually telling that you jump straight to ad hominems, since you have no substantive response.

First, titles are not patent claims.

I don't think that was ever said on that episode and, if you pay attention, they're just highlighting that five thousand people were trying to patent a particularly thing that was very similar in achieving the same overall goal.

Yeah, like look at all those "wheels", trying to achieve the same overall goal of moving something. It's weak journalism.

And they were right and the reason they did that was to show the listener that it's impossible for the small time inventor to read over these things and stay up to date on inventions -- take what you want from that, you obviously took it to the level of someone who's just skimming this looking for out of context errors. Congratulations!

I copied and pasted from your transcript, so I'm not sure what "out of context" complaint you have... particularly since you didn't provide any context. Congratulations, you're a hypocrite.

In fact, most of that This American Life episode was pretty poor, research-wise.

"Most of it"?! You didn't even listen to it, it's an hour long and you cite one out of context sentence!

... or, like many NPR listeners, I listened to it when it first aired. I also was in the thread here on Slashdot that we had about it, two years ago when it first aired. Did you really think that you just discovered this?

How can you possibly say that, they actually went to Marshall, Texas, they actually did legwork

Wow! A journalist got on a plane! Everything they said MUST be true!

they actually tried to ask questions and they got shut down by everyone, Myhrvold (autocomplete wants me to put Voldemort in there btw) wouldn't even talk to them and now you're jumping all over me for trying to answer these questions they uncovered?

Except that they didn't get "shut down by everyone". They interviewed a patent attorney, Rick McLeod, but curiously, didn't ask him any of their patent-related questions, like the one about the titles or the three applications with the same name. Instead, they apparently only asked him to find invalidating prior art for the Crawford patent. They get three quotes from him, nothing specific, and then they boot him from the show. That's terrible researching.

I can't believe it, you're some kind of anti-investigative journalism person?

No, troll, I'm a pro-investigative journalism person, as in, I like journalists who investigate. Not ones who travel around on junkets and claim they're doing "legwork", but never bother asking questions of experts, or even asking the same question of two different people to verify that they get the same answer. You know, stuff that used to be considered the lowest, simplest requirement for a news article, before NPR decided that the whole "read someone's press release a la Fox News" style was cheaper and easier.

So You Listened to It But You Didn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43295795)

... or, like many NPR listeners, I listened to it when it first aired. I also was in the thread here on Slashdot that we had about it, two years ago when it first aired.

That is quite peculiar that you would post this then [slashdot.org] because that episode linked them all quite thoroughly:

If IV isn't related to Lodsys and Oasis Research, then I don't see how Myhrvold could possibly answer this question. Is this a witch hunt or a real question?

Hint: Calling someone a troll to invalidate their claims is an ad hominem. You relied on that multiple times.

Re:Chris Crawford Substitute? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43297233)

Planet Money did expanded research on this – which makes sense, they share staff with American Life and have an expanded format.

The point is, Chris Crawford was held up as the poster boy – a small time inventor with a brilliant idea who lacked the resources to go big – but did so with the help of Intellectual Ventures. That is, he should be a sterling example. But closer inspection shows a lot of tarnish – an overbroad patent with harassing lawyers.

Can the astroturfing here get any more pathetic? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293189)

Slashdot is selling ad space to patent trolls now as well, bliss.

Did the US Switch to First-to-File Affect You? (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#43293199)

Did the recent switch this month [rcpmag.com] to a first-to-file country affect you negatively? Positively? What sort of impact do you foresee that having on your business model? Was it right to move that way?

Why you such a dickhead? (-1, Flamebait)

oldhack (1037484) | about a year ago | (#43293229)

Question in the subject.

Legal department (2)

schneidafunk (795759) | about a year ago | (#43293231)

Can you explain how your legal department operates within Intellectual Ventures? How many lawyers, what kind of lawsuits to pursue, patenting process, etc.

When will it end? (5, Interesting)

stonebit (2776195) | about a year ago | (#43293243)

Are you aware that you are one of the most hated persons in the software community?

Do you speak Norwegian? (1)

Quakeulf (2650167) | about a year ago | (#43293253)

I was curious about that seeing your name. :3

photographer with SlashDot-as-citation (-1, Troll)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year ago | (#43293305)

>> accomplished nature and wildlife photographer

Cool story, bro. Sounds more like a way to get one's Wikipedia entry updated through use of SlashDot-as-citation to me.

Food for thought (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293335)

Since it is unlikely you will answer the patent questions listed before this question, how do you feel about undercooked meat and eggs?

Example of benefit to individual inventors? (5, Interesting)

patmandu (247443) | about a year ago | (#43293423)

Can you present examples of how IV has helped individual inventors to get revenue from their inventions? Please include specific names, specific inventions, approximate revenue seen by the inventor, and current status of the invention-related product(s) and ownership of the patent(s).

Prototyping and research lab? (0, Offtopic)

dgharmon (2564621) | about a year ago | (#43293455)

"The lab has hired many prominent scientists to work on a variety of inventions including safer nuclear reactor designs and vaccine research"

The 'lab' is nothing more than a patent troll factory ..

"Intellectual Ventures and Lodsys [guardian.co.uk]

"this patent also seems to cover a big chunk of what happens on the Internet: upgrading software, buying stuff online, and what's called cloud storage. If you have a patent on all that, you could sue a lot of people. And, in fact, that's what's happening with Chris Crawford's patent. Intellectual Venures [npr.org] sold it to a company called Oasis research in June of 2010. Less than a month later, Oasis Research used the patent to sue over a dozen different tech companies, including Rackspace, GoDaddy, and AT&T."

When did you decide to become a human parasite? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293487)

IMHO, IV makes a massive negative contribution to humanity. In your heart of hearts, don't you share this view? And don't you think the term "Intellectual Ventures" is a little pretentious? Perhaps "Legal Parasite Ventures" would be more accurate?

Question for Nathan (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293523)

Can you tell us if all Trolls live under bridges or is it just some of them?

science of cooking food (4, Interesting)

peter303 (12292) | about a year ago | (#43293529)

One of the TV news magazines showed some of the things you learned about new, scientific ways of cooking food. What was the most amazing thing, in your opinion, that you discovered?

Perfect Question (0, Flamebait)

Trails (629752) | about a year ago | (#43293543)

Why are you such an asshole?

How do you justify the burden you've placed on North American innovation, and the harm that's caused? Can we move past your typical defense of IV based on the ridiculous and yet-to-be-realized anti-mosquito laser system, and discuss the actual harm and actual benefits (if any) provided by IV?

How does it feel to be a pariah?

How can we avoid contributing to you? (0, Troll)

DanTheStone (1212500) | about a year ago | (#43293561)

Let's say I work at a company that makes a good, useful software product, which is the best in the market. How can I convince them not to patent my solutions, so that I don't contribute to a system that rewards people like you do the detriment of people who would succeed on merit?

What's it like being "evil"? (4, Interesting)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#43293613)

From working at big bad Microsoft to founding a patent-focused lab, you seem like an ideal person to answer a question I've had for a while: What's it like working in companies that are constantly under attack from those who try to claim a moral high ground?

To clarify, I don't mean to imply that you are evil, or that Microsoft or Intellectual Ventures are harming society, but rather I recognize that such accusations are common, regardless of truth. On the one hand, I don't assume that the FOSS fanatics (including myself at times) are always right about how bad Microsoft is, or the free-IP crowd is always right about how patents are crushing us, but at the same time I find it hard to believe they're always wrong, too. I'm curious what kind of moral dilemmas you encounter in this respect, if any, and what insight you might be able to provide as to life on the receiving end of the activists' assaults.

Re:What's it like being "evil"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294575)

>What's it like working in companies that are constantly under attack from those who try to claim a moral high ground?

The question makes no sense in and of itself. Viewing FOSS as a moral issue isn't really common enough to be noticeable. Even Linus Torvalds himself doesn't buy into that, which you all know as well as I do.

That being said: I can't speak for Mr. Myrhvlold but most of the rank-and-file I know just roll their eyes and laugh. FOSS software is just another form of competition relative to which we need to demonstrate that we provide a better bang for the buck; sometimes successfully, sometimes not. Very rarely, one will encounter a "true believer" (the opposite of a FOSS fanatic*) and one has to tolerate them because they're backing up the organization's sales pitch. However, I suspect most people viewed them the same as any other kind of true believers: as someone who probably has a few screws loose.

* your description, not mine

The Magna Carta and King John (1)

bzipitidoo (647217) | about a year ago | (#43295163)

King John of England is a very ironic figure who ended up doing a lot of good that he did not intend. It is through his oppressive rule and heavy taxation that he drove everyone to form a coalition against him, to spell out more precisely just what powers the king did not have. This was codified in the famous document, the Magna Carta.

I wonder if Myhrvold might help manage the same thing with patents. He doesn't have as much authority as King John, so I hardly think he could do this singlehandedly, but he may contribute to the downfall of the patent system. Myhrvold may be sophisticated enough to realize this. In which case, is it intentional? Is he sly? Or does he think the patent system is unsinkable? Or maybe he doesn't care one way or the other, and is ready to ride patents forever or switch horses should patents founder.

How about it Myhrvold, are you trying to make patents so burdensome that it causes a big enough backlash to spur some badly needed changes, or do you think the patent system isn't going anywhere, or something else?

Results (3, Interesting)

Matt_Bennett (79107) | about a year ago | (#43293709)

What products have Intellectual Ventures developed and brought to market?

Philanthropic work (3, Interesting)

jaiyen (821972) | about a year ago | (#43293727)

As you've already made your fortune, I'm curious as to why you choose to get involved in controversial patent licensing, rather than, say, Bill Gates style philanthropic work ?

Re:Philanthropic work (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#43294165)

I'm curious as to why you choose to get involved in controversial patent licensing, rather than, say, Bill Gates style philanthropic work ?

He's doing God's Work. [techdirt.com]

Re:Philanthropic work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294199)

Because greed doesn't just go away simply because he has sufficient funds to be financially secure until death.

He's Still Part of That Scam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294295)

Bill & Melinda Gates foundation donated billions to charity ... and by saying "donated billions to charity" we mean paid a lot of money to IV to "develop technologies." From the horse's mouth [intellectu...reslab.com] :

In 2007, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation asked Intellectual Ventures to create new technologies that will not only fight malaria but will eventually eliminate this scourge of humanity altogether.

Basically IV is the other half to fat cats scratching each others' backs and the public is eating it up. Where are the measurable results? Why can't $40 billion stop malaria? Because it's mostly ending up in IV's pockets and being invested in Bill's cadre of companies, if the products actually work that's just an extra bonus.

Re:He's Still Part of That Scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43295785)

Yep, I get so tired of seeing Bill Gates name extolling how wonderful he is since he donated x number of billions to x philanthropic venture, when what he is really doing is just investing in big pharma for the profits, etc. And I roll my eyes when I hear the average computer illiterate, created by his junk software, lovingly embrace his name because of this PR campaign, etc. I always like to suggest they visit this link, for starters:
latimes.com/gates

question for Dr. Myhrvold (5, Interesting)

cosmiques (2877413) | about a year ago | (#43293751)

Hypothetically, if Intellectual Ventures were to vanish as an organization, and its IP holdings were put into the public domain, what would be the net effect for society? Do you believe that it would be detrimental to society, and if so, how?

(Have been lurking on Slashdot for 14 years, but it was a chance to ask Dr. Myhrvold a question that motivated creating an account).

Re:question for Dr. Myhrvold (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294685)

oh, christ, you know how he's going to respond. ``the long-term effect will be negative because intellectual ventures serves the community as a broker and think-tank for inventors who couldn't otherwise compete with established players, blah blah fucking blah."

Intellectual Property must be valued and protected (1)

GPS Pilot (3683) | about a year ago | (#43295313)

Do you believe that it would be detrimental to society, and if so, how?

It would be detrimental to society. Without the extra profit that temporarily gets generated by patent protection, many inventions would never get developed into actual products. They are just too marginal to justify the R&D, without patent protection.

A good example is pharmaceuticals. We're all better off because billions are poured into research and development of new drugs. Without patent protection, the profitability of new drugs would plummet, and so would the R&D efforts. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face: having to wait a few years for a generic equivalent to make your drug more affordable, is vastly preferable to your drug never having been developed in the first place.

Re:Intellectual Property must be valued and protec (2)

cosmiques (2877413) | about a year ago | (#43295541)

The question was specifically about if IV were to go away, not all patents. IV is qualitatively different than a pharma company holding IP on a drug target.

Re:Intellectual Property must be valued and protec (1)

cosmiques (2877413) | about a year ago | (#43295691)

forgot to add, Myhrvold is on-record stating that IV generally doesn't invest in pharmaceutical type patents: http://leavingthesunbehind.blogspot.com/2012/11/part-ii-ipcheckups-intellectual.html [blogspot.com] so the whole drug-to-market issue isn't germane to the question as phrased (though it is interesting).

WHY DID YOU NERF HOST FILE SUPPORT apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293851)

Windows 7, VISTA, & Server 2008 have a couple of "issues" I don't like in them, & you may not either, depending on your point of view (mine's based solely on efficiency & security), & if my take on these issues aren't "good enough"? I suggest reading what ROOTKIT.COM says, link URL is in my "p.s." @ the bottom of this post:

1.) HOSTS files being unable to use "0" for a blocking IP address - this started in 12/09/2008 after an "MS Patch Tuesday" in fact for VISTA (when it had NO problem using it before that, as Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 still can)... & yes, this continues in its descendants, Windows Server 2008 &/or Windows 7 as well.

So, why is this a "problem" you might ask?

Ok - since you can technically use either:

a.) 127.0.0.1 (the "loopback adapter address")
b.) 0.0.0.0 (next smallest & next most efficient)
c.) The smallest & fastest plain-jane 0

PER EACH HOSTS FILE ENTRY/RECORD...

You can use ANY of those, in order to block out known bad sites &/or adbanners in a HOSTS file this way??

Microsoft has "promoted bloat" in doing so... no questions asked.

Simply because

1.) 127.0.0.1 = 9 bytes in size on disk & is the largest/slowest
2.) 0.0.0.0 = 7 bytes & is the next largest/slowest in size on disk
3.) 0 = 1 byte

(& HOSTS files extend across EVERY webbrowser, email program, or in general every webbound program you use & thus HOSTS are "global" in coverage this way AND function on any OS that uses the BSD derived IP stack (which most all do mind you, even MS is based off of it, as BSD's IS truly, "the best in the business"), & when coupled with say, IE restricted zones, FireFox addons like NoScript &/or AdBlock, or Opera filter.ini/urlfilter.ini, for layered security in this capacity for webbrowsers & SOME email programs (here, I mean ones "built into" browsers themselves like Opera has for example))

MS has literally promoted bloat in this file, making it load slower from disk, into memory! This compounds itself, the more entries your HOSTS file contains... & for instance? Mine currently contains nearly 654,000 entries of known bad adbanners, bad websites, &/or bad nameservers (used for controlling botnets, misdirecting net requests, etc. et al).

Now, IF I were to use 127.0.0.1? My "huge" HOSTS file would be approximately 27mb in size... using 0.0.0.0 (next smallest) it would be 19mb in size - HOWEVER? Using 0 as my blocking IP, it is only 14mb in size. See my point?

(For loads either in the local DNS cache, or system diskcache if you run w/out the local DNS client service running, this gets slower the larger each HOSTS file entry is (which you have to stall the DNS client service in Windows for larger ones, especially if you use a "giant HOSTS file" (purely relative term, but once it goes over (iirc) 4mb in size, you have to cut the local DNS cache client service)))

NO questions asked - the physics of it backed me up in theory alone, but when I was questioned on it for PROOF thereof?

I wrote a small test program to load such a list into a "pascal record" (which is analagous to a C/C++ structure), which is EXACTLY what the DNS client/DNS API does as well, using a C/C++ structure (basically an array of sorts really, & a structure/record is a precursor part to a full-blown CLASS or OBJECT, minus the functions built in, this is for treating numerous variables as a SINGLE VARIABLE (for efficiency, which FORTRAN as a single example, lacks as a feature, @ least Fortran 77 did, but other languages do not))!

I even wrote another that just loaded my HOSTS file's entirety into a listbox, same results... slowest using 127.0.0.1, next slowest using 0.0.0.0, & fastest using 0.

And, sure: Some MORE "goes on" during DNS API loads (iirc, removal of duplicated entries (which I made sure my personal copy does not have these via a program I wrote to purge it of duplicated entries + to sort each entry alphabetically for easier mgt. via say, notepad.exe) & a conversion from decimal values to hex ones), but, nevertheless? My point here "holds true", of slower value loads, record-by-record, from a HOSTS file, when the entries become larger.

So, to "prove my point" to my naysayers?

I timed it using the Win32 API calls "GetTickCount" & then again, using the API calls of "QueryPerformanceCounter" as well, seeing the SAME results (a slowdown when reading in this file from disk, especially when using the larger 127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0 line item entries in a HOSTS file, vs. the smaller/faster/more efficient 0).

In my test, I saw a decline in speed/efficiency in my test doing so by using larger blocking addresses (127.0.0.1 &/or 0.0.0.0, vs. the smallest/fastest in 0)... proving me correct on this note!

On this HOSTS issue, and the WFP design issue in my next post below?

I also then questioned MS' own staff, even their VP of development (S. Sinofsky) on this here -> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage [msdn.com] & other places in their blogs, to get them to tell me WHY this seemingly intentional inefficiency was implemented... & I have YET to get a solid LOGICAL answer on this as to why it was done - THUS, @ this point?

I am convinced they (MS) do NOT have a good reason for doing this... because of their lack of response there on this note. Unless it has something to do with IPv6 (most folks use IPv4 still), I cannot understand WHY this design mistake imo, has occurred, in HOSTS files...

AND

2.) The "Windows Filtering Platform", which is now how the firewall works in VISTA, Server 2008, & Windows 7...

Sure it works in this new single point method & it is simple to manage & "sync" all points of it, making it easier for network techs/admins to manage than the older 3 part method, but that very thing works against it as well, because it is only a single part system now!

Thus, however?

This "single layer design" in WFP, now represents a SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE/ATTACK for malware makers to 'take down'!

(Which is 1 of the 1st things a malware attempts to do, is to take down any software firewalls present, or even the "Windows Security Center" itself which should warn you of the firewall "going down", & it's fairly easy to do either by messaging the services they use, or messing up their registry init. settings)

VS. the older (up to) 3 part method used in Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003, for protecting a system via IP Filtering, the Windows native Firewall, &/or IPSEC. Each of which uses diff. drivers, & layers of the IP stack to function from, as well as registry initialization settings.

Think of the older 3 part design much the same as the reason why folks use door handle locks, deadbolt locks, & chain locks on their doors... multipart layered security.

(Each of which the latter older method used, had 3 separate drivers & registry settings to do their jobs, representing a "phalanx like"/"zone defense like" system of backup of one another (like you see in sports OR ancient wars, and trust me, it WORKS, because on either side of yourself, you have "backup", even if YOU "go down" vs. the opponent)).

I.E.-> Take 1 of the "older method's" 3 part defenses down? 2 others STILL stand in the way, & they are not that simple to take them ALL down...

(Well, @ least NOT as easily as "taking out" a single part defensive system like WFP (the new "Windows Filtering Platform", which powers the VISTA, Windows Server 2008, & yes, Windows 7 firewall defense system)).

On this "single-part/single-point of attack" WFP (vs. Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003's IP stack defense design in 3-part/zone defense/phalanx type arrangement) as well as the HOSTS issue in my post above?

I also then questioned MS' own staff, even their VP of development (S. Sinofsky) on this here -> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage [msdn.com] & other places in their blogs, to get them to tell me WHY this seemingly intentional inefficiency was implemented... & I have YET to get a solid LOGICAL answer on this as to why it was done - THUS, @ this point?

I'll stick to my thoughts on it, until I am shown otherwise & proven wrong.

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Following up on what I wrote up above, so those here reading have actual technical references from Microsoft themselves ("The horses' mouth"), in regards to the Firewall/PortFilter/IPSec designs (not HOSTS files, that I am SURE I am correct about, no questions asked) from my "Point #2" above?

Thus, I'll now note how:

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1.) TCP/IP packet processing paths differences between in how Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 did it (IPSEC.SYS (IP Security Policies), IPNAT.SYS (Windows Firewall), IPFLTDRV.SYS (Port Filtering), & TCPIP.SYS (base IP driver))...

2.) AND, how VISTA/Server 2008/Windows 7 do it now currently, using a SINGLE layer (WFP)...

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First off, here is HOW it worked in Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 - using 3 discrete & different drivers AND LEVELS/LAYERS of the packet processing path they worked in:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb878072.aspx [microsoft.com]

The Cable Guy - June 2005: TCP/IP Packet Processing Paths

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The following components process IP packets:

IP forwarding Determines the next-hop interface and address for packets being sent or forwarded.

TCP/IP filtering Allows you to specify by IP protocol, TCP port, or UDP port, the types of traffic that are acceptable for incoming local host traffic (packets destined for the host). You can configure TCP/IP filtering on the Options tab from the advanced properties of the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) component in the Network Connections folder.

Filter-hook driver A Windows component that uses the filter-hook API to filter incoming and outgoing IP packets. On a computer running Windows Server 2003, the filter-hook driver is Ipfltdrv.sys, a component of Routing and Remote Access. When enabled, Routing and Remote Access allows you to configure separate inbound and outbound IP packet filters for each interface using the Routing and Remote Access snap-in. Ipfltdrv.sys examines both local host and transit IP traffic (packets not destined for the host).

Firewall-hook driver A Windows component that uses the firewall-hook API to examine incoming and outgoing packets. On a computer running Windows XP, the firewall-hook driver is Ipnat.sys, which is shared by both Internet Connection Sharing and Windows Firewall. Internet Connection Sharing is a basic network address translator (NAT). Windows Firewall is a stateful host-based firewall. Ipnat.sys examines both local host and transit IP traffic. On a computer running Windows Server 2003, Ipnat.sys is shared by Internet Connection Sharing, Windows Firewall, and the NAT/Basic Firewall component of Routing and Remote Access. If the NAT/Basic Firewall component of Routing and Remote Access is enabled, you cannot also enable Windows Firewall or Internet Connection Sharing.

IPsec The IPsec component, Ipsec.sys, is the implementation of IPsec in Windows to provide cryptographic protection to IP traffic. Ipsec.sys examines both local host and transit IP traffic and can permit, block, or secure traffic.

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1.) After receiving the IP packet, Tcpip.sys passes it to Ipsec.sys for processing.

If the packet has IPsec protection (the IP Protocol field value indicates either Authentication Header [AH] or Encapsulating Security Payload [ESP]), it is processed and removed. If the Windows Firewall: Allow authenticated IPSec bypass Group Policy setting applies to the computer, Ipsec.sys sets an IPsec Bypass flag associated with the packet. Ipsec.sys passes the resulting packet back to Tcpip.sys.

If the packet does not have IPsec protection, based on the set of IPsec filters, Ipsec.sys determines whether the packet is permitted, blocked, or requires security. If permitted, Ipsec.sys passes the packet back to Tcpip.sys without modification. If the packet is blocked or requires security, Ipsec.sys silently discards the packet.

2.) Tcpip.sys passes the packet to Ipfltdrv.sys for processing.

Based on the interface on which the packet was received, Ipfltdrv.sys compares the packet to the configured inbound IP packet filters.

If the inbound IP packet filters do not allow the packet, Ipfltdrv.sys silently discards the packet. If the inbound IP packet filters allow the packet, Ipfltdrv.sys passes the packet back to Tcpip.sys.

3.) Tcpip.sys passes the packet to Ipnat.sys for processing.

If Internet Connection Sharing or the NAT/Basic Firewall is enabled and the interface on which the packet was received is the public interface connected to the Internet, Ipnat.sys compares the packet to its NAT translation table. If an entry is found, the IP packet is translated and the resulting packet is treated as source traffic.

4.) Windows Firewall checks the IPsec Bypass flag associated with the packet. If the IPsec Bypass flag is set, Windows Firewall passes the packet back to Tcpip.sys.

If the IPsec Bypass flag is not set, Windows Firewall compares the packet to its exceptions list. If the packet matches an exception, Ipnat.sys passes the IP packet back to Tcpip.sys. If the IP packet does not match an exception, Ipnat.sys silently discards the IP packet.

Tcpip.sys compares the IP packet to the configured set of allowed packets for TCP/IP filtering.

If TCP/IP filtering does not allow the packet, Tcpip.sys silently discards the packet. If TCP/IP filtering allows the packet, Tcpip.sys continues processing the packet, eventually passing the packet payload to TCP, UDP, or other upper layer protocols.

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NOW, the new method, "WFP", used by Windows VISTA, Windows Server 2008, & the upcoming Windows 7:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/wfp.mspx [microsoft.com]

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"The IPsec Policy Agent service and Windows Firewall are examples of WFP applications that are included with Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008"

and

"Because all the applications and services use the same filtering engine, it is easier to determine whether other applications or services exist that perform the same function."

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See my point, on VISTA/Server 2008, & yes, Windows 7's design for the Firewall, Port Filtering, & IPSec in a SINGLE POINT (WFP) vs. the older "3-part/zone defense/phalanx-like" arrangement older MS OS' used (2000/XP/Server 2003)?

APK

P.S.=> IF you do not by now? Then take a peek @ this one from ROOTKIT.COM (which sounds QUITE similar to what I only theorize on THIS LATTER point, on WFP, by this point):

PERTINENT QUOTE EXCERPT:

http://www.rootkit.com/newsread.php?newsid=952 [rootkit.com]

"BTW, the firewalls based on NDIS v6, which was introduced in Windows Vista, are much easier to unhook and bypass."

I really like Windows, & the "Pro-*NIX" crowd here KNOWS this (& yes, often attacks me, OR, "mods me down" for that, but in this case? I don't think they will, because even I doubt it because of these 2 issues)... &, I'd like to see Windows 7 "be the best Windows ever", but these issues (along with OpenGL ones & the DRM stuff) are even driving ME, the "Windows fanboy of /." away from its latest iterations in VISTA, Windows Server 2008, & Windows 7 (&, that's pretty bad!)... apk

Re:WHY DID YOU NERF HOST FILE SUPPORT apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293997)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

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apk on 4chan [4chan.org]

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INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]

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APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]

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Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]

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I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]

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You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]

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oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]

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"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]

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"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]

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"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]

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Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]

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you have a point - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]

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I do admire that level of dedication. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]

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I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]

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I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]

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Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]

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Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]

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Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]

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Professional. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]

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I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029 [slashdot.org]

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extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855 [slashdot.org]

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You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043 [slashdot.org]

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Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311 [slashdot.org]

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this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127 [slashdot.org]

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You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975 [slashdot.org]

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Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495 [slashdot.org]

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Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993 [slashdot.org]

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Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029 [slashdot.org]

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I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk is a liar! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767 [slashdot.org]

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Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42698875 [slashdot.org]

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Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3554655&cid=43209619 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, the hosts files have become self-aware and started hacking accounts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276783 [slashdot.org]

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What mad skillz you have!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273941 [slashdot.org]

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Am I the only one who enjoys this sort of insanity? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43281063 [slashdot.org]

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You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3580251&cid=43270359 [slashdot.org]

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Most insightful post on the Internet - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3579259&cid=43275207 [slashdot.org]

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people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43278203 [slashdot.org]

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

Disproof of all apk's statements:

OLD POST LINKS MIRRORED HERE:
http://pastebin.com/8yxcW3TJ [pastebin.com]

RECENT POST LINKS:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273839 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276593 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43277017 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582075&cid=43277273 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43278565 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3584857&cid=43282375 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578357&cid=43282481 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585297&cid=43283241 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585417&cid=43283695 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585451&cid=43284271 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585593&cid=43284843 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585827&cid=43285755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586081&cid=43286509 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586127&cid=43286699 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586137&cid=43287021 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287449 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586345&cid=43287755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586303&cid=43289687 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586627&cid=43289733 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586589&cid=43290487 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3587901&cid=43290773 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588003&cid=43290983 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588135&cid=43292021 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588293&cid=43292235 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588505&cid=43293807 [slashdot.org]
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Re:WHY DID YOU NERF HOST FILE SUPPORT apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294331)

I also like chicken, mon amis

You've attempted to impersonate me... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294499)

Nearly 150++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:

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A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 150 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]

&/or

B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - like this one I am replying to (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here

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(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).

APK

P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March now, & 140++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

Why my posts are unjustly downmodded... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294671)

See here, explains it all -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43223585 [slashdot.org]

* :)

I.E./Summary: Trolls had a challenge put to them to validly disprove my points in the post I just replied to - result? Trolls FAIL... lol!

APK

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol, man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

Ah yes "geek angst" @ it's 'finest' (not), vs. facts & truths = downmod by /. weak trolls!

... apk

Re:You've attempted to impersonate me... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294755)

Hint: It's this guy [slashdot.org] , Jeremiah Cornelius [slashdot.org] . Have fun.

dick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294817)

Hah! nice find. His comments are awful and with an ID of 137, he obviously isn't a teenager, but probably still lives in his mom's basement.

Re:dick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294893)

It's possible one of the APKs stole his account.

Thank-You (makes sense it's JC)... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43295193)

Per my subject-line: Good job, you "nailed him" doing it under his reg'd "luser" account here too of Jeremiah Cornelius... it's a GOOD start!

* CAUSE OF JC DOING THIS? On a guess:

Jeremiah Cornelius is 'angry' since I caught the fact HE misspelled "PENETRATION" on his linkedin profile, which he took down after that!

(He spelled it "peNTration" missing the "e" between N&T, & he left it there for YEARS that way no less after I warned him of it YEARS BEFORE too, & later he yanked it when I gave him some guff about it (rightfully so, since he & his have trolled me here for YEARS now)).

WoW... I guess he never "got over that", but... he's "losing it" while dealing with it it seems! What a shame... seriously!

---

(Yes - It appears JC "screwed up" in the link you posted here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 [slashdot.org] using his registered "luser" account to post it, forgetting to do a "submit as anonymous coward" option registered users have. )

I knew sooner or later, like most idiots, he'd mess up & get caught. Appears there's "no time like the present" & he's "busted"!

Still - makes some sense he'd be feeling some "geek angst" (considering THAT is what he claimed to do for a job in pen-testing, & JC can't SPELL IT RIGHT even!) but he shouldn't have directed it MY way, it was HIS spelling error!

Man - I didn't *think* he'd become "mentally unhinged" as he clearly has though... Again, "WoW"!

---

FUNNIEST PART OF THIS? Jeremiah's ALLEGEDLY an "Ex-Microsoftie" (pretty sad, considering he's WEAK in the computer sciences from my point of view @ least) & so is Mr. Myhrvold!

APK

P.S.=> Well, with that type of proof in hand thanks to you fellow ac? I suppose it's time to see HOW "effective" & responsive the moderation staff is here now, especially since I have the information you supplied, which IS proof enough of his being this "ac spam troll" & attempting to impersonate me here on /. - so... that "all said & aside" now?

Well - I'll just "drop them a line" with that undeniable information you supplied (again, thanks) because he DOES have the "motivation" per the above to PROBABLY do this and keep it up (with his pals like webmistressrachel, gmhowell, & more)...

... apk/b

AC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294777)

This is the REAL APK. Note to self - the quickest way to eliminate someone impersonating me would be to create an account and stop posting as anonymous.

Die patent troll die (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43293865)

Die patent troll die

And all of your kind

Cooking (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43293873)

Some interesting cooking talk: Chefs at Google: Nathan Myhrvold [youtube.com] .

Re:Cooking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43296509)

No one cares about his hobbies.

Dr. Myhvold: Microsoft's Lost Decade+ (2)

glassKarma (1215468) | about a year ago | (#43293911)

What's do you think is going on since the transition to Ballmer that's making it seemingly (much) harder for Microsoft to regain, never mind keep it's momentum? (Note: momentum is more than innovation, it's generically "industry torque").

Did Microsoft fund SCO's lawsuits against Linux? (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#43293939)

What do you personally think about Linux . . . ?

Sense of Accomplishment (1)

PaddyM (45763) | about a year ago | (#43294327)

As a software engineer, I produce solutions to different problems every day which are then implemented and used by people. If my resulting software was not used by anyone, I would not gain much fulfillment in my work. Considering that much of the work done by Intellectual Ventures does not result in actual tangible products, do you still get a sense of accomplishment? Are you prouder of the ideas which actually get implemented? Or are you satisfied with the ideas that are developed, independent of whether they result in viable products or not?

Multimedia Codec Patent Wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294473)

Mr. Myrhvold, you are undoubtedly aware of the almost continual patent battles surrounding video, image, and audio codecs for the past several decades, with stop-ship lawsuits being filed against products that attempt to use them on what seems to be a regular basis. Even codecs recognized by international standards organizations following several years of industry review have not been immune to claims by so-called patent trolls. Do you see this as an area that can be improved with different patent laws or government policies, or are vendors and consumers stuck with the status quo?

pacific DAYLIGHT time - not "PST" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294501)

is it really that hard to keep track of this stuff?

When did you turn evil? (1)

Carewolf (581105) | about a year ago | (#43294549)

And why? Is the dark side really stronger?

Slashdot whitewashes a filthy patent troll (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43294569)

Myhrvold is a sociopath that looks for cracks in the system to exploit. He never asks "is it wrong?". He only asks "will I get away with it" and "will it make me richer and more powerful". These types of people are the most dangerous amongst us. Betas are actually encouraged to worship them as 'gods'.

Do you hate anti-social hackers that flood the world with trojans and the like? Do you hate serial killers? Do you hate people who abuse animals and children when they are alone with them? Do you hate 'banksters' who steal billions and destroy whole corporations just because they can? These are all identical examples of criminal psychopaths/sociopaths.

Everyone involved with 'Intellectual Ventures' should be locked up for the rest of their natural lives. Society has a right and duty to protect itself from 'meta-criminals', criminals that seek to operate at maximum anti-social effect beyond the rate at which laws can keep up.

Kill yourself. (0)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year ago | (#43294829)

Really, kill yourself.

Was Steve Ballmer born a dick, or... (1)

quonsar (61695) | about a year ago | (#43294845)

...did he learn that at Microsoft?

Why is your book printed in china? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#43294923)

I was going to buy your book set but then I found out that you had it printed in China. Also, IV is a scumbag company so that's another factor in my decision not to buy your book. My question: when you're sucking on a cock, do you ever reach around and stick your finger up your partner's asshole?

Where are cooking resources going in the tech age? (1)

DangerJones (1125935) | about a year ago | (#43294945)

As an early owner/adopter of your physical book, "Modernist Cuisine: The Art and Science of Cooking", I have to say that the searching system (in particular, the index and table of contents) is unusually poor and the books are somewhat unwieldy (they are larger and heavier than my Larousse Gastronomique and the box they arrived in my country in came marked with a "warning: heavy" label), therefore making the information contained less-accessible while the books themselves are clearly pushing the boundaries of practical usability.

You have said that you do not plan to publish an e-book which has led me to prefer and use an electronic PDF over my own physical copy. Can you explain your reasoning behind that decision and, more generally, where do you see the future of cooking "books" and other resources going?

Malcolm Gladwell Article from 2008 (1)

smugfunt (8972) | about a year ago | (#43295215)

In the Air [gladwell.com]
Far from critical but gives some insight into how IV does what it does.
Basically, Myhrvold gathers some of his rich and smart buddies in a room where they brainstorm furiously. Then the notes are passed onto his team of PhDs and lawyers to work the ideas up into patents. Occasionally they might build a prototype of something but it's mostly just very lucrative breeze shooting.

Most important question (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year ago | (#43295835)

How does it feel to be an utter dickhead and a net waste to humanity?

Will you try something neither evil nor douche-y? (1)

QuantumFlux (228693) | about a year ago | (#43295843)

As a patent troll, you are both evil and a douche. As a "molecular gastronomist," you're just a douche. Do you have any plans to put your efforts toward something neither douche-y nor evil? Bill Gates has, isn't it your turn?

how do you cook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43296245)

It says your an accomplished chef.

what are your recomendations for frying free speech, open source, and good will?

captcha: scatters

A complex character? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43296349)

Truly, I'm fascinated by Dr. Myhrvold. On one hand, he's one of the most infamous figures in the software industry. On the other hand, he's clearly a brilliant individual who has done a number of things for the advancement of science and culture, including the "Modernist Cuisine" books which were written largely out of passion and funded out of pocket (from what I understand). (And they're fantastic books, too: the science is top-notch, the photography is incredible, and it's just really fun to read about all the crazy techniques that modern chefs are coming up with.)

From interviews, it seems that Myhrvold really believes that Intellectual Ventures is advancing an ethical cause. Maybe I'm naive, but I find it difficult to believe that he's secretly in it for the money. So I'm very curious how such a smart and accomplished person could believe in something that's so at odds with what the rest of his peers believe, especially when there's mounting evidence that patents are harmful to software innovation. But I guess that's not really a question we can ask him!

Mosquitoes (1)

Skewray (896393) | about a year ago | (#43297003)

The Photonic Fence project was proposed with much fanfare about six years ago, to rid Africa is disease-carrying mosquitoes. Rumor has it that the Gates Foundation has cut funding. The project appears to have developed nothing of practical use, although the project leaders responsible appear to still be in control. Is there going to be a serious forensic analysis of how the project went south?

The good die young. Myhrvold will live forever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43297651)

But in case I am wrong I am always ready to piss on his grave.

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